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Lixi

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Getting started as CD incall escort
« on: 04 May 2019, 08:51:58 pm »
Hi lovelies.

I'm sorry if this is retreading old ground, I'm a bit nervous and increasingly realising how unprepared for all this I am. My rudimentary searches about getting started were all understandably geared to women, and also towards outcalls.

Long story short, I started dressing and exploring gender-fluidity a while ago, posted myself on a few sites at first for feedback then curious about exploring sex, particularly as I leaned hard into latex, gothic looks and fetish-wear that made me feel very sexual. I soon found the response to be so overwhelming that it seemed obvious to look into escorting, I found the idea exciting as I put in a little extra capital towards establishing a look worthy of being paid, and now I'm about ready and recieving my first booking requests, and starting to really face the tough questions.

My biggest problem by far is family. I may be in a bit of a catch-22 situation here. Hopefully without giving too much detail as to be identifiable, my day job is with the family business. And I love it, I am not at all trying to escape it with the escorting - it is painfully low paid but money has never been a high priority and being effectively self employed has been marvellous, I doubt I could ever go back to the world of having a boss and being employed traditionally. When I moved back to where I'd grown up to take the job, I took very-low-rent accomodation on site at work. The plan was always to use the low rent to step up my progress towards a mortgage, but the pay has proven so low that saving has been glacially slow even without rent to pay. To be fair, I was doing okay before I invested in a load of latex, so guess I'm bought in now eh? Anyway, the reality is, I'm still in here. Before blowing a large chunk of my savings on latex, I'd planned to be buying a house by spring next year, now more likely summer or autumn. Anyway, the place is nice enough. A perfectly good space to do incalls in, really. But very remote. Only one house anywhere within hearing distance. That raises some security concerns, and just now as I near the brink of beginning work, I've realised just how lax I've always been with security - the front door lock broke almost a year ago and I never thought to replace it. So obviously some security would be necessary, of course, possibly even alarms/cameras, not that I'd know anything about installing that sort of thing, nor have the money to.
But the bigger problem is just how tight-knit everything is. Most days, I'm the only person who works here. But, when another person does, it's my dad. There is only one house nearby, but being the only other house around, they know my family tolerably well. It's a 50/50 whether they'd rat on me if they were to find out, and I'm not close enough to them to care particularly whether they know, but obviously the family situation is more... Sensitive. I suppose nobody can really help me because I'm not asking a question. If I choose my hours sensibly and get lovely clients, in less than a year I'll be out of here and into a sensible sized town and all will be well. If I get even one creep who chooses to show up at the wrong time, though... Things could get weird. I kind of want to ask whether it's generally safer to work in remote or busy locations, but I'm afraid I wouldn't trust the answers if I did, city people universally look at where I live and appear alarmed and horrified that I'm so lax about security, too many horror films set in the countryside, I guess. I've lived out in remote areas all my life and never even thought about home security, so it's clear to me that urban people just believe their lifestyle to be better and safer, just as I feel the reverse - that's not a productive conversation to open. I am aware that in this particular line of work, there may very well be safety in numbers, and that worries me a tad - but like I say, catch-22 - I was hoping to use this work to get out of this living arrangement bypassing the entirely inaffordable rents around here. Once I'm out of here and in a place where working would be easier, I may not even continue working much. I suppose creeps would only likely come around in the evenings? And even if they came during the daytime when people would be around, I doubt they'd be explicit about what they were there for?

I'm rambling on. I only intend to do between 3-6 meets a month. I don't intend to let clients know that I live here, though it's a one room flat with a bed and various other living accoutrements so that may not sell so well.
My biggest advantage in not getting out in all this is that central to my femme look is a latex mask - not everybody's cup of tea by any means but those who like it really like it. My photos have blurred backgrounds and I'm not recognisable in the mask, so I'd have pretty good deniability, couldn't be tracked on social media and not be likely to get outed without somebody very deliberately hanging around here telling everybody. Also, for most of the outwardly straight guys who would see a gurl like me, discretion is probably even more vital than for punters meeting women.

I suppose my questions are:
- Are there any particular screening, security and vigilance suggestions for somebody working incalls, and in a remote, rural location? Current procedure is arrange booking by call then expect another call 30-60 minutes before the meet, asking for id at the door when necessary to enforce my age restrictions, such as they are.
- Are there any crossdressing/transvestite/gender-fluid escorts on here, or girls who've known any, who'd have any advice and words of caution or encouragement? Is there any difference in our likelihood of running into trouble? Are there any special precautions, and am I naive to think that I can do this without being outed? Is it inevitable to get people turning up at working premises, if so what sorts of times do they tend to do so, and how explicit do they tend to be about their reason for being there?

As you can probably tell, I'm just having something of an anxiety attack about actually doing this. But any feedback at all on any of my ramblings would be so very much appreciated.

EDIT: Oh, the other question I meant to ask but entirely forgot - getting registered with HMRC. Since I'm paid by PAYE and that gets handled by my dad (though he's pushing for me to take over the accounts etc so I could accelerate that process, but he'll always have access to it all), will there be any indication on the PAYE that I'm also registered as a sole trader earning a second income? I don't mind him knowing that, but if he does I'll need an excuse. I was a riding instructor in a previous life, think I'd get away with listing my occupation as freelance riding instructor? I wouldn't have any of the requisite insurance etc to go with it so that might raise eyebrows... Would there be ANY way for another individual/my boss to find out what occupation I'm registered under as a sole trader? Ugh, I'm so lost in all this, wish my situation was a bit simpler!
« Last Edit: 04 May 2019, 09:06:41 pm by Lixi »

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Re: Getting started as CD incall escort
« Reply #1 on: 04 May 2019, 10:28:01 pm »
Working rurally is incredibly risky, especially when you're in such a taboo niche. What's stopping you from just doing outcalls, or doing hotel day rooms if you have a day off from civvy work?
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Re: Getting started as CD incall escort
« Reply #2 on: 04 May 2019, 11:12:08 pm »
I do agree about your being extra vulnerable in a remote area. There are tales of some men lashing out at CD/TV escorts. You might be a bit safer if you only domme'd, but I don't know - I don't think I'd risk it, personally.

It doesn't really matter what you call yourself for HMRC - just make it something feasible should you ever be inspected.
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« Reply #3 on: 04 May 2019, 11:50:06 pm »
Damn, thanks I guess. I can understand why that would be the case though it doesn't chime with my own experiences of rural living, and know that people always dramatically overestimate how dangerous the countryside is. But I think you are right, if not for quite the same reasons, my security here is just too low. One room, a large part of one wall is a french door that I don't always even pull a curtain over at night and often leave open since there's only a field outside, my whole building is just not at all designed to be in any way secure. My only neighbour's building is only a few metres away and I have their contact details so I wouldn't be completely isolated... I don't know, I'll have to think.

I haven't gone outcall-only because I've been on AW for a couple months now while getting myself ready, testing the water and seeing how many people expressed interest. Obviously hard to know if any would actually convert to clients, but it seemed a logical step if I was going to invest beyond my means in getting set up. Every single one of them has wanted an incall.

I could try hotel work, but I doubt I'd be able to fill the time enough to do much beyond repay the room. I usually get 2 guys I think seem serious contact me per week. If I do incalls, that's fine - most evenings I could have them over and do the meet no problem, but they usually want that evening or else a specific day weeks in advance. I doubt I could decide to spend a weekend at a hotel, get the word out, and fill it with meets. Honestly, I'd be doubtful I could even make back the cost of the room, if I only get one meet and that has to cover £90-100 for the room and the best part of a tenner for fuel there and home, AND miscellaneous ongoig expenses with makeup and clothing, I'd not be going home with much in my pocket whatsoever. I'm a very niche interest, I'm aware of that - this will never be a full time job and I've deliberately tuned and will continue to tune my restrictions and rates to get about the level of interest that seems viable to get me a couple hundred extra in my pocket each month without taking over my life. One meet a month would be more than enough for me, honestly, providing I got to keep all the proceeds and not spend them on hotels and travel.

Another worry I have with hotels is that I was under the impression that it was 50/50 whether people could come in off the street and get to the rooms, or needed me to come down and meet them. It's unviable if I have to go walking into hotel lobbies fully femme and dressed, I don't dress to blend in and convincing/trap has never been the goal. I'd be gutted to spend a hundred quid on a hotel room and have to go downstairs in guy-mode to collect every client. I might have that all wrong, but I don't know how I'd find out what the local hotels policy is in that regard without trying. Even so, it'd change the whole dynamic of doing a small handful per month of relaxed and spread out meets that I'd hoped for, but I suppose that may simply be inevitable.

Kay - thank you, and yes I am aware of the worries with men lashing out. I *think* I'd be better off than most - I am not a 'trap' type, nobody is going to see my pics and think I'm a girl, let alone see me in person and think I'm one. It won't be a surprise to anyone. In addition, while I'm quite slim and toned, my natural height and build are in the largest bracket and quite frankly I'm bigger than most men and afraid of very few. Of course the skillset in my particular niche is making them forget/not notice that, but if needed I think me snapping back to guy-mode would send most scurrying. Maybe a bit cocky and it's definitely true that I'll have to get used to guys trying to take advantage of me, I'm used to intimidating people a bit and not being messed with and if I'm doing this right that'll probably be much less the case, but yes - I'm well aware that guys can have very complex and disturbed feelings around CD/TV/TS people. I've been there myself, having a minor breakdown in my first ever meet with a CD escort many years ago.

As for only Domming - my plan was to lean into the pro-Domme work predominantly since it compliments my niche quite well, I've always been involved in kink and kink groups all my adult life and have always leaned towards the Dom(me) side of the equation, and frankly, I'd feel a lot safer. But I had hoped to be available to bottom for a certain proportion of meets.

Thanks to both of you for your feedback. I'll definitely have to do more research and reading into the rural question since you both seem very convinced that it is the biggest risk-element for me. I find that hard to buy, to be entirely honest, it doesn't mesh with anything I've ever known about small village/remote life, but I'm here to listen to advice not ignore it so I'll try to take that all on board - I just don't know what other alternatives I have short of giving this whole thing up.

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« Reply #4 on: 05 May 2019, 12:09:38 am »
As an example - I've had one guy contact me this weekend who I think is serious. That's more than enough for me. Earlier today, I foolishly agreed to a 9pm meet tomorrow (Sunday) over email, before realising I was woefully underprepared and doing some more research leading me to realise that I need to talk to him on the phone and that maybe having him to my home isn't the best idea.

I just looked, and there is a premier inn just up the road with a room available tomorrow night for £60. The rate for his meet is £180, so that actually wouldn't be terrible business, and if I could get a second I'd be laughing. Perhaps this is just a lesson to learn for future, and if I'd made him call, all would be well. But I didn't, so now I'm sat here not sure what to do - I simply cannot afford a £60 hotel room if he proves to be a TW. How could I ever possibly know, even if I talk to them on the phone? Do I tell him to book a hotel room if he wants to see me? That's effectively adding £60 to my price, and the rooms might not even be available by tomorrow. Do I just turn off incall rates on my AW and wait to see if I ever get outcall requests? That might be the wisest move, I suppose.

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Re: Getting started as CD incall escort
« Reply #5 on: 05 May 2019, 01:22:06 am »
Lixi ~
Now I'm getting worried about you, & I'm in America! *frowns & clucks*
I'm relieved to know you're a bigger guy (person? Apologies), so it sounds like you could hold your own, but yeah....I'm with the others here; I do not like how your set up sounds at home.

All it takes is 1 hater, Lixi. What if this guy hates trans ppl? What if he brings friends? You're not Arnold, or Sly Stallone *anxious look*.

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« Reply #6 on: 05 May 2019, 01:27:31 am »
Edited to say ~
Sorry, I shouldn't have said "others" since there was only 1 reply. I personally don't think your home base set up sounds safe for you & I got worried & starting fussing bc I'm old & that's what I do.
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« Reply #7 on: 05 May 2019, 01:57:04 am »
Another thing with living in a remote area - any clients will be very visible leaving/arriving. One gossiping neighbour and the whole area could soon know. So, I think discretion is an issue as well as safety. It might also put clients off once they realise you're out in the sticks.

Given the turnover you expect/want, I really think you need your own place to do in-calls from permanently, in at least a small town.
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« Reply #8 on: 05 May 2019, 12:10:39 pm »
Oh Celeste that's very sweet of you, and I absolutely agree - somebody determined to hurt me is going to hurt me, and I may be naive about the amount of hatred I'm going to encounter, having never received any form of abuse online and having always lived openly as a masculine male. I simply meant to say that despite a somewhat raised chance of intent to violence, I also have a somewhat raised ability to intimidate or defend myself - I think all other things being equal with a safe location, I'd consider myself as safe if not more than most women in this trade.

As for the current setup - it is ABSOLUTELY not ready. I had simply failed to even consider the location and the house as I busied myself getting my look and behaviour ready for this work. At a minimum I would need to install a new lock on the front door and probably a door chain type thing inside, I'd need to put curtains over the French doors and to find a safe cubby hole to store personal belongings out of sight.

Actually I think my location is about as discrete as any client would find, and the chance of gossip seems very remote. It's hard to describe the setup, technically it's part of a small hamlet but it's kind of removed from the others, it's a small distance from the road and from the secluded parking space, a client would be walking along a path entirely sheltered by a large empty building on one side and a large fence & trees on the other. My only neighbour has an entirely different path from the car park to their house and at no point would a guy be visible to anyone unless they were out in the car park at the exact moment he arrived, or they were in my garden. That path leading through my garden is the only route to my house and is actually quite secure - when I'm not leaving it deliberately open, it is blocked off by an electric fence. To get to my house without that route open isn't impossible but would involve walking through my neighbour's garden or across a farmer's field then climbing a barbed wire fence.

Also, even if neighbours saw the odd guy I intend low enough turnover that I don't know that it would be overly obvious what I was doing since nobody knows I'm bi or that I dress. I am aware my location may still put clients off, but around here living in the sticks is kind of the norm.

Ultimately I'm not sure what to do. I was hoping for low, low turnover - 1 - 6 meets per month is going to be an exercise in futility if most of it goes on rent for a town house, entirely defeating the point of having lived in the arse end of nowhere for years. If I have to pay for hotels for each meet and cover the cost of hotels for no-shows, I'll likewise need a much higher turnover than I'd intended.

If I go out and rent a place in town now, it will raise a great, great many questions. My friends and family are familiar with my finances, they know that I make about as much as rents around here cost, they know that I have other quite large expenses that aren't going away. They know I've been committed to buying instead of renting for years and years. I am not in a situation to buy yet, I'm fairly close but still have a ways to go - a few escorting meets a month would push me over that edge. Now I don't really know what to do, I feel like I can't get a place without escorting and can't escort without getting a place.

How do others structure these two days of working from a hotel? Do you assume you'll get high enough traffic on the days to make it worthwhile, or do you start booking guys in weeks in advance? Have you ever had to collect guys from the lobby or can they generally get to you?

And are there any girls with safe incall locations in Cornwall who'd charge a decent rate for me to use a spare room for meets? Haha sorry that's ludicrous... Just really not sure at this point how to proceed.

If I tried incalls I would at a minimum get my security up to normal standards and probably install CCTV and some kind of alarm if at all possible. I have set my profile to only offering outcalls for the time being, but I've had no interest in that so expect it to go deadly quiet. Also I rewrote my profile to be a little less inviting to time wasters and email ping pong but may have swung a little far the other way and become too hostile. I'll just wait and see, I suppose - I'd love to start paying off what I've invested in, a few meets would mostly do that - but it may make more sense to try camming in the mean time, though a cam setup would be more investment of money I can't afford to spend.

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Re: Getting started as CD incall escort
« Reply #9 on: 05 May 2019, 01:23:55 pm »
In your situation I'd be quite happy to take a few incalls at home. From what you describe it's a secure set up, remote enough to deter anyone from just turning up out of the blue. Definitely hide your personal belongings away in a secure room or cupboard and make sure there no photos or letters lying around which could identify you.
I wouldn't worry about the neighbours suspecting you of prostitution. As a big burly guy, you have a definite advantage of not fitting into the stereotype of the 'scarlet woman' living alone and entertaining strangers. You also sound confident to defend yourself should it ever be necessary.
One thing I'd worry about is the fact that some clients are simply incapable of following instructions. You could end up strange guys roaming around the hamlet getting lost so you'd have to be very precise with your directions.
Doing incalls in a hotel is always a risk because there's no guarantee that they'll turn up. Some people ask for a deposit to help cover costs and weed out timewasters. This could work for you, especially as you're very niche. You'd want to find a hotel with easy access to the rooms,.ie no keycards for thr lifts to avoid going up and down stairs.


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« Reply #10 on: 05 May 2019, 01:28:17 pm »

In your situation I'd be quite happy to take a few incalls at home. From what you describe it's a secure set up, remote enough to deter anyone from just turning up out of the blue. Definitely hide your personal belongings away in a secure room or cupboard and make sure there no photos or letters lying around which could identify you.
I wouldn't worry about the neighbours suspecting you of prostitution. As a big burly guy, you have a definite advantage of not fitting into the stereotype of the 'scarlet woman' living alone and entertaining strangers. You also sound confident to defend yourself should it ever be necessary.
One thing I'd worry about is the fact that some clients are simply incapable of following instructions. You could end up with strange guys roaming around the hamlet getting lost. You'd have to be very precise with your directions.
Doing incalls in a hotel is always a risk because there's no guarantee that they'll turn up. Some people ask for a deposit to help cover costs and weed out timewasters. This could work for you, especially as you're very niche. You'd want to find a hotel with easy access to the rooms,.ie no keycards for the lifts to avoid going up and down stairs.
In terms of camming, it doesn't have to be an expensive set.up. I bought a webcam for about £40 on Amazon and most laptops have a cam built in these days.

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« Reply #11 on: 05 May 2019, 01:36:32 pm »
Thank you Grace.

Do you think hotels would answer questions like that over the phone, or would it be trial and error?

My current thinking is:
- Only list outcalls for a while and see how much business I get while working on basic home security.
- If clients want hotel meets, either they book the room or I take a deposit to cover the cost, if I set my prices right I can deduct some or all of the cost of the hotel from their fee though that may be a slippery slope. I don't think I'll get enough business to do dedicated weekends in a hotel and be confident of making any money.
- Perhaps make incalls available only to clients Ive already met on outcalls or hotel meets at first.

And now I'm feeling a little sensitive about being the 'big burly guy' hehe... But I know that nobody here cares which is wonderful so I'll try to resist the urge to sell myself higher than that!

Thank you so much for all your advice so far, every post is helping so much and I'm feeling so much calmer about all this.

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« Reply #12 on: 05 May 2019, 03:18:44 pm »
Haha, sorry if that came out wrong! I just mean that you sound able to protect yourself and not someone who might be suspected by the neighbours.
I've called hotels before and asked about keycards. They're used to people asking weird and wonderful questions so don't worry about that. I usually say I'm travelling with an elderly relative

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« Reply #13 on: 05 May 2019, 03:43:02 pm »

Actually I think my location is about as discrete as any client would find, and the chance of gossip seems very remote.


However, clients may happily gossip about SW's locations privately and on open forums, something hard to control. You may never be aware of it.

Most hotel tours are a gamble nothing is guaranteed. It's just like any new business. It's all speculative investment unless clients have paid in advance or at least a deposit which some amazing ladies here do successfully.

When I first rented a room no one turned up, but I paid the full fee to the owner and bore the loss, it was a blow, but you have to bite the bullet to learn.

I work on a 30 minute in advance policy on the day, pay at the door, for me it's more reliable than taking advance bookings. If being spotted in your attire is an issue then renting a serviced apartment with client friendly access eg CCTV entryphone, no reception, for a day or two may solve that.

Safety, personally I don't see you being more at risk than any other SW, as long as you use your common sense and keep your 'professional hat' on. SW work from rural areas like you or caravans, campers, canal barges, cargo containers, garden sheds, all sorts....you'd be surprised. Being safety conscious in all surroundings is a standard part of the job.


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« Reply #14 on: 05 May 2019, 07:01:42 pm »
I think there is always a risk wherever we work to be honest, if someone is determined enough to hurt or rob an escort they will. I don't think surrounded by people is any safer - I screamed blue murder the other night when I thought there was a mouse in my bed (there wasn't) and none of my neighbours checked on me!

I think not being a young, vulnerable woman (who bad men tend to prey on) helps and make sure you come across as confident and no nonsense when you communicate with anyone

You're obviously a sensible and intelligent sort from what you have written so that's a good start! Your instincts are important, when you screen potential clients use that instinct - it's not foolproof and I am sure we have all turned down perfectly nice clients because something has made us not accept the booking but not blindly accepting anyone who rings is important.

I'd think carefully about asking for ID - that would freak a lot of clients out - many would not want to do this.
Also remember that most of them will be more nervous than you - you are likely to get a fair few new to this and/or your fetish/niche.

In terms of making money, apologies if you have thought this though - your marketing needs to be good and really clear who you are and what you offer. You could even offer a sideline in men wanting to experiment with cross dressing or example. Sell yourself as as low volume, something you do because you love it, be warm and approachable etc etc. Set your prices out clearly and stick to them as obviously your boundaries in terms of services you offer.

I also think your niche means tours is risky, there is nothing more depressing than forking out for a hotel room and no one coming! Though I think a lot of men book female escorts to scratch an itch on the day, your services might be something they consider in advance so you could consider offering a couple of dates in a hotel in advance and see what comes in and only pay for the room once you have 2-3 bookings. It's a bit trial and error for all of us in terms of what works.

Work out what details you need to gve clients so you aren't giving your address out willy nilly - such as them calling you from a landmark in the village/town/crossroads nearby then asking them a question so you know they are actually there.

Also, get yourself a buddy if you can, someone to check in with when you have a client. Even if they are not super close by at least someone knows what you are doing. It's nice to have someone to share triumphs and whinge to too!

Hope that helps a bit !