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nadia123

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Re: Vaginismus and Penetrative Pain!
« Reply #15 on: 28 August 2014, 07:33:17 pm »
This use to happen to me when I first started escorting, I use to get a lot of pain after each client.

The truth is you won't be fucking for more then 10 min if you do you job right.
I normally start off with blow job to get them started for about 5 min then have sex but use plenty of lub and even in between sex I re apply more lub to avoid any friction of pain. Normally within 10 min they will come and if they take longer then usual I ask them to stop and say it's hurting me and finish with a hand job. Most client are understandable and agree as they don't like see a girl in pain and that's how a girl should be treated.

It takes time to build your confidence in how to handle these men but honestly 90% of them are friendly and you should be fine.

Try not to let your past slow you down and affect you, hope it goes well for you
 

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Re: Vaginismus and Penetrative Pain!
« Reply #16 on: 28 August 2014, 10:02:45 pm »
I think I'll buy myself a big dildo and have at it until I stop anticipating pain. Or I can get my new boyfriend to help.

Don't get a big one, get a small one. When you can take that easily, you can get something larger. Or have a look in the veg drawer - you can carve to the size you want, just stick a condom on it.

Any boyfriend worth having should be delighted to help.
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Re: Vaginismus and Penetrative Pain!
« Reply #17 on: 29 August 2014, 12:32:01 am »
you may be suprized how many clients dont want sex!!
i did an oral only special recently and had about 15 booking request a day put through!

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Re: Vaginismus and Penetrative Pain!
« Reply #18 on: 29 August 2014, 12:43:12 am »
Thanks so much!

xw5: Good point about starting small, I've already practiced with small and medium size objects which is why I was thinking of going big. Could always get a range!

It's really good to hear that a living can still be made, I was so worried PIV was just expected and everything else was just extra. I suppose I can focus on making everything else the main star of the show and gradually get to a point where I'm comfortable offering PIV.

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Re: Vaginismus and Penetrative Pain!
« Reply #19 on: 29 August 2014, 08:19:42 am »
You can pick up tips on massage by offering yourself as a model for student masseurs as they need bodies to practice on. Just don't nod off but pay attention to the class or lesson if it's one to one and take it all in. That way you get a free lesson and can feel what is good or bad and all for free. All so of course there is you tube for the short term.
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Re: Vaginismus and Penetrative Pain!
« Reply #20 on: 29 August 2014, 07:12:17 pm »
The truth is you won't be fucking for more then 10 min if you do you job right.

I would take this with a pinch of salt as there are clients out there who can (and will) last longer than 10 minutes. I envy you if most of your clients cum within 10 minutes of fucking!  :o


About massage, you dont need to be qualified to do it, also you dont need to have strong hands/be strong to do it.
All you need is some oil/cream (Johnsons baby are great and cheap) and use it on clients, slide your hands and put some presure on their backs/legs and they will love it.

There is demand from clients who want just massage, hand job and oral and no sex, so you will be able to make a living from it like other girls do, but you have to advertise that on your ads (aw and any other free site for starters).

In time you will become a good masseuse.


I think if you are going to be advertising as a masseuse, you had better make sure that you're good, or at least halfway decent. If you aren't careful, you could actually injure the clients. And also, time will not necessarily improve your massage skills. If you're continuously doing it wrong, you aren't going to get better  ;D

I don't know if the pain has anything to do with the aftermath of your rape tragedy but I wouldn't discount it. Rape can be horribly traumatic and if you feel that you aren't ready for sex, be it physically or mentally, what more if it's your 'job', I would strongly recommend that you not offer penetrative sex until you are completely OK. I know the money can be very tempting but there are more things (sanity, peace of mind etc) that are worth more than the quick buck you can make. I second Ian and would go for the massage parlours option, especially the ones that don't require you to have PIV sex. I'm not familiar with how they operate but shouldn't they at least provide rudimentary guidance to how to massage?

I wish you all the best with your application with the parlours.

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Re: Vaginismus and Penetrative Pain!
« Reply #21 on: 29 August 2014, 10:35:12 pm »
Well, I'm going to actually get this show on the road and start escorting this week. Pictures have been taken, the profile has been written, and I'll be moving in 3 days.

In all of my preparation and worrying, I forgot about one of the most important things. Actually having the sex.

So, I am quite "small" down there, I really hate to say "tight" because of that myth that virgins are tighter, but I suppose it does apply to me. I've had lots of sex but have never been able to have penetrative sex to the point of orgasm, in fact I have always had to stop due to the unbearable pain.

I went to the doctor who checked me out and decided there was nothing wrong with me physically and that I had vaginismus - my vagina muscles would tighten as a result of nerves and not being naturally lubricated enough. This made sense, as the first time I tried penetrative sex with my boyfriend at the time, I really wasn't that turned on, and the times after I had just built up nerves and braced myself for the pain.

So through the course of our relationship we didn't have penetrative sex and just did everything else instead. Over the past month or so, we decided to try penetrative sex again as now I really will have to get over the pain if I'm doing this kind of work!

To no avail, it still hurt like hell, though again I just wasn't that turned on. I wasn't strictly very attracted to this guy and he wasn't very brilliant at sex, to say the least. At one point during our sexcapades though, I was super turned on and he was eating me out and fingering me quite violently, and it didn't hurt at all because I was that wet! We didn't try penetrative then because we didn't have condoms on hand, but I am confident that at that time I would have been fine as he was able to fit three fingers in and thrust them in quite vigorously and I wasn't in any pain. I then tried on my own while watching porn and I was able to fit all kinds of household objects in there. I certainly won't be able to handle very thick penises but I think I can deal with the average!

However, now the issue is that if I can only handle penetration while super duper turned on.... How in hell am I going to survive if, well let's be honest, I won't be at all aroused most of the time when I'm working? I know what you're thinking: Lube. We did try that as well, again I wasn't at all into it and just wanted to get to a point where I was comfortable with penetration, but no matter how much lube I applied it just felt like he was stabbing me with a knife. I really feel like what's going on is that my muscles just won't allow for penetration unless I'm really into it, and lube won't open those muscles after all.

I have been raped before and I don't know if this may be some kind of reaction to that. Either way, it is really worrying as I'm starting next week and I don't know if I'll be able to just grit my teeth and bare it! It really is the worst pain I've felt.

Any ideas? Any similar experiences? I'm terrified over here, this is my only shot at an income right now and to not even be able to do the work leaves me in a horrible position. I have a new boyfriend now and will be staying with him for the weekend. He is insanely hot so maybe that will put me at ease and I can get some more practise.... But that is hardly comparable to work as they are not going to be models unless I get very lucky!

I suffer from vaginismus too, probably from sexual abuse experienced in my early teens. I completely understand what you mean about the tightness. When I finally came round to losing my "virginity" with a very nice boy when I was 16, it was disastrous! It honestly took me a couple of years of sex with boyfriends/friends to get to the point of enjoying sex and not always being hurt by it. Despite what happened to me when I was younger, when it came to consensual sex, I was always very very turned on but the site of a penis going near me made me clamp up, completely opposite to what I wanted. I remember one time having sex, saying to my boyfriend "you put the condom on, I'm keeping my eyes shut, and kiss me, and push into me gently when you're ready" and it was the first time I wasn't in massive amounts of pain. That was the time that was the beginning of sex getting easier. I think I had to get past that subconscious barrier in my brain that went No! When I was about to have sex. Now I can handle any stranger I'm not attracted to just fine, as long as they are small/average sized. I do still have problems with big clients, as I guess having vaginismus means my muscles are very "toned" and so I'm generally really tight. With big clients it takes a lot of lube and patience.
So a summary of my experience with post-attack vaginismus is that it's about overcoming that little subconscious bit of your brain that freaks out and then just keep trying with patient partners you trust but again, that's my personal experience and for me, I couldn't imagine going into this job before I sorted that out, although you may find you can practice on the job?? I am unsure!
Hope my shared experience helps in some way. X
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Re: Vaginismus and Penetrative Pain!
« Reply #22 on: 29 August 2014, 11:56:24 pm »
This is what I do:  Advertise offering FBSM (full body sensual massage) or, as I prefer to call it, Erotic Massage including a "Happy Ending" (a luxurious unhurried handjob). Your fee on the ad is of course lower than a full service escort's fee cos you are just offering a full body rub with as much erotic teasing/play as suits your style prior to the happy ending.   If I like the client I offer the option of "extras", in my case this is oral and/or reverse oral.  It took me a while to work out how to make this offer without it feeling awkward but I now have the hang of it.  IT WAS ESSENTIAL FOR ME THAT I HAD CHOICE OVER WHO I OFFERED MORE TO than the massage and handjob, it is great having the choice.  so if they just come for the massage and handjob and they are unappealing it is not the end of the world, you can do that much.  If they are fine, or even, god love us, lovely and funny and have a good vibe or damned sexy, then hell, girl you can say at the beginning that you offer a couple of extras to select clients ( I think Ian whose posting name I cant remember helped me with the wording for this).  A lot of guys will come to you just for FBSM as its cheaper and they still get to get off.  GOOD LUCK. Take it easy, gently, don't hurt yourself out of fear that you will get nothing otherwise.  it isn't true. work out what suits YOU.X

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Re: Vaginismus and Penetrative Pain!
« Reply #23 on: 30 August 2014, 11:37:55 pm »
Sorry to hear about your problems with intercourse. I have the same thing (although mine is from a medical condition relating to my pelvis and urinary tract). My whole life I've associated sex with pain  :( and have only managed to enjoy it occasionally.

I don't think that you should offer something which hurts you unless you absolutely have no other choice.

I do massage and relief and I make a good living and I'm busy enough. It is a bit different from full services but it's not too hard to get the hang of. I started in a massage parlour where I was taught the basics of massage (you could look up some techniques and vids on youtube would probably give you the same idea), then when I went indie I did a course in proper massage (which did cost around ?1400, but remember I worked for years before and got good enough that clients used to assume I was totally qualified!). At one point I used to offer everything BUT penetration (like I did kissing, oral on me etc but just no sex) and I was crazy busy. You'll be surprised at how many men don't want PIV sex. You will likely need to charge a bit less than full service and make it very clear on your profile what you do and don't do. However if you don't have much free time and only want a couple of bookings a week I'd keep your price quite high and go from there. When i was studying and only wanted a couple of bookings a week I charged ?140 for an hour massage and I did get a couple a week.

Good Luck x x x

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Re: Vaginismus and Penetrative Pain!
« Reply #24 on: 14 February 2015, 06:43:09 pm »
I suffer from this too, but I have never been raped or anything. As a newbie, I feel this will get in the way a lot. I hope to meet understanding clients. I love men but worry they won't 'want' me because of it - or feel I'm a 'tease'.

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« Reply #25 on: 14 February 2015, 06:55:29 pm »
Helena, please take care, because I don't think there can be any guarantees at all that clients will always be understanding, no matter how selective you are or how good your screening is. They want uncomplicated sex, so be clear about what you're willing to offer.

Good luck.
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Re: Vaginismus and Penetrative Pain!
« Reply #26 on: 14 February 2015, 07:27:45 pm »
Thanks for the advice, KayHerts. I'm practicing with various sized dildos at the moment to ready myself for future clients, so hopefully that will work well.

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« Reply #27 on: 14 February 2015, 09:39:34 pm »
There was a program on Radio 4 Women's Hour a few months ago about this... this is something that can be treated. It may need surgery but it can be fixed.

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Re: Vaginismus and Penetrative Pain!
« Reply #28 on: 14 February 2015, 11:34:59 pm »
Hey Helena, I can report that it's eased up a bit for me and I offer full service (with lots of lube) and have regular sex with my partner, so as long as you keep practicing it should be okay. If not though, as Fabulassie said there are other treatment options!