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Anika Mae

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Renting an incall flat
« on: 02 May 2009, 10:30:55 am »
I'm considering getting a studio flat for incalls (scary; I've never had more than a few quid a week regular work expenses), and I've been thinking about what to tell the landlord. I don't have a day job so I can't get an employment reference (although I do have accurate tax returns), and I don't want to get a reference from my current landlord since I'm not leaving. I'm thinking of saying that I've been living abroad so don't have any references but can pay three months rent upfront.

If any of you were in a situation like mine, what did you do? Also, have any of you applied for a second home discount on your council tax?

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Re: Renting an incall flat
« Reply #1 on: 02 May 2009, 11:30:57 am »
Very interesting topic.
I considered this back at Christmas time but was unsure because of the expense.
The two lots of rent or a mortgage and a rent is not where it ends. You will have two lots of bills and also have to decorate and furnish the flat if it's crappy.
Is there a question over why you will need two properties? Will you have to declare the flat as a business? I don't even know what the law is on a property used for a business? Does that mean you have to pay higher council tax than if the flat was residential?

Given how economics are now, I would not even consider a flat at the moment. Some weeks go so slowly, I make enough to only cover my bills and such things in one property.
But how great would it be to have another place to work from so your home remains your home and you can actually see that last minute caller and not worry about getting kids out of the house or paying for/arranging a hotel room at half an hour's notice! Brilliant.
I totally see the desire to get a flat. I have the desire to get one but not this year, no way can it be done.

It's a bloody shame the law is an ass and you can not rent jointly with another working girl. Far more security, less outgoings....

If you go ahead and do this Anika, please come and tell us how you get along and what you learn along the way. It would be great to know how it all went.

If you can find a private landlord that is not too bothered on the reference front, great, there are lots about.
If you want a spoof reference, I will happily write you one. Is he going to bother to call me up here in Wales? If he does, your the best tenant I ever had! I was gutted when you left....


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Re: Renting an incall flat
« Reply #2 on: 02 May 2009, 12:19:19 pm »
I live in a house share, but even if my home was suitable I wouldn't want to combine a home and work address after the problems others have had. I've recently started using a en-suite room in someone's flat, but I require a deposit for first time clients and charge my outcall rates, so it's not busy there. When I've gone recently I've thought it was a shame I didn't have a proper place I could welcome people to, and yesterday I realised there was nothing stopping me from getting one. Dur.

I estimate that rent + bills on a studio flat would be a little over ?500/month. I'd rather not throw that away, but I can afford to do so for a few months if that's how it goes. With renting down I'm hoping I can get a three month contract and then see if it's worth staying.

The law isn't what's stopped me sharing with someone (although I'm concerned about the proposed changes), I've just never got to know anyone who's local, looking for a flat, and who I'd feel comfortable sharing with.

As for registering it as a business premises, it would be a residential property and no doubt against the terms of the contract to work there. Maybe tax-deductible, though.

I don't know if I can find a private landlord; I only saw one suitable place that wasn't advertised through an agent. Thanks for the offer a reference, that's a good idea.

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Re: Renting an incall flat
« Reply #3 on: 02 May 2009, 05:58:49 pm »
Try the back of the local paper for private landlords. Mostly, it is done on word of mouth though, perhaps you can ask about? You just never know who has a place to rent... If your offering 3 months upfront, you stand a good chance against the high volume of housing benefit claimants that are looking to rent right now. That means a wait for the cash for the landlord, you have the cash. I know who I would choose.

The risk with private landlords is the contract, you have to get one as you can not have them just show up out of the blue or have them keep a key and let themselves in when your not about.
That is rare though.
Most people, today especially, want their properties rented out without having to pay an agent to manage it for them. That's dead money.
I have noticed in our paper the volume of private flats/houses to rent has gone up slightly over the last year. But then, so has the number of people looking to rent which has pushed up the rent amount.

I am the same here, I don't know of anybody else working nearby that would want to share the rental on a flat and the women I do know of that work here, I would not want to share with frankly.

Then there is the question of what area to rent in, you have to work from a nice area and have amenities close by so you can get out and get food and such if your there all day long. Plus parking, plus the neighbours have to be watched. It's all a bloody nightmare!

Shame you didn't live closer to me as I would be up for a flat share, definitely.
I can't work any incalls till Tuesday now as it's Bank Holiday and kids are home. Plus I had a no show this afternoon which has ticked me off no end.
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Re: Renting an incall flat
« Reply #4 on: 02 May 2009, 08:10:12 pm »
Hi if you have more then 5 visitors a week you need planning premission, fire regs, and so on, you can not work from a residential area,
but as long as no one knows what you are doing and no one wants to stitch you up you would be fine, to claim tax relief you would have to put it down as a work place which would need planning, there are different rules everywhere so best ask about how things work in your area but you could get a place with someone else but work different days,


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Re: Renting an incall flat
« Reply #5 on: 03 May 2009, 12:55:58 am »
I'd rather find somewhere without paying an agency fee too, but I looked on the local paper's website (which is where I found a flat for me and my boyfriend a few years back) and there was only one. I realise I haven't exhausted my options, but it makes me think things might have changed.

I know that working on different days is an option, but it's the sharing of responsibility that concerns me. I'd want to know someone pretty well before getting into that kind of relationship.

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Re: Renting an incall flat
« Reply #6 on: 03 May 2009, 09:58:01 am »
I agree totally.
You will want to know that any stuff you leave in the place is left alone.
That they will not pull the 'I don't have any cash' line when the bills come in and so on.

It's really difficult to find a person to flat share with on a regular flat share that you can trust nevermind a working flat.

That seems a daft law, that more than 5 visitors a week you will need planning permission and so on. How odd. If you have more than 5 friends and they all visit you a week, imagine the council saying, 'get a fire escape put in now!'

People in charge of anything these days don't seem to understand anything. That's what I find. The heath and safety regulations have gone banana's. Totally.

As you already know the whole private landlord thing, it's pointless telling you how to go about finding one! Good luck, I hope you work something out. When you least expect it, something always comes up (Ha, quite!).
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Re: Renting an incall flat
« Reply #7 on: 03 May 2009, 01:13:51 pm »
I work from home and i have a nice flat in a large annonomous block which is filled with young proffessionals as far as i can tell. I went through a letting agency and my friend who has his own business wrote me a refererence saying i worked for him. The agency also wanted 3 months bank statements which i was a bit worried about since my money goes in sporadically but they didnt ask any questions and they just wanted a fax from my friend on letterheaded paper saying that i was a good employee and made x amount a year etc. It wasnt as problematic as i thought it would be. Maybe one of your regulars could supply a reference? :)

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Re: Renting an incall flat
« Reply #8 on: 03 May 2009, 09:07:42 pm »
Same here, looking for a place for mid-next month in another city. Im just going to look into either month to month studios or efficiencies. But with the prices I seen may just have to pop for a hotel for the first few days or so

Most of the places saying 'room for rent' just wouldnt do it. I mean, they are in nice houses and all...but how would one work about having incalls in some random person's house. I would need my own space  :-\

Anika..would you consider getting an efficiency thats attached to a rather large home as a room? I used to have one, which worked well for several months, but after awhile the landlord starting making 'rules' about people over. So now Im reluctant to go that route. Would you?




whoa...what the fuck is this new phenomenon going on that I've been missing out on! This is the 2nd ad in D.C. area thats advertising a roomate with benefits!

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/roo/1152028403.html

Ani...I know you wouldnt consider this, but regardless doesnt it just sounds crazy or what. You meet someone for the 1st time to rent your place, you're having sex a couple times of week? Im sorry but I have NEVER seen that work out and I've done it twice. Live with a man sex addict for a pre-determined amount of time, and before the week is over they're done with the sex and want you out. B.S. That comes close enough to boyfriend-girlfriend thing and I can imagine one or the other would be at each other's throat at some point.

To me, it seems a mixture of marriage, prostitution, roomate...just seems weird. I mean what if the other partner doesnt WANT to have sex when they do? Sorry LOL...I just had to bring that up.

LOL...and at the end he says As far as the "roomate with benefits" thing goes, it means exactly that.....we would have to be attracted to each other in a way that we could play around maybe once or twice a week.....just to relieve the stressors of every day life.....age or race doesn't really matter, this will be kind of a discreet thing anyway.

this guy needs an escort. period! stop being cheap  :D  Im sorry I just found this to be so hilarious
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Re: Renting an incall flat
« Reply #9 on: 03 May 2009, 11:24:13 pm »
I'm considering getting a studio flat for incalls (scary; I've never had more than a few quid a week regular work expenses), and I've been thinking about what to tell the landlord. I don't have a day job so I can't get an employment reference (although I do have accurate tax returns), and I don't want to get a reference from my current landlord since I'm not leaving. I'm thinking of saying that I've been living abroad so don't have any references but can pay three months rent upfront.

If any of you were in a situation like mine, what did you do? Also, have any of you applied for a second home discount on your council tax?

Anika, this is something I've been wanting to do for ages but I'm put off for the same reason as you, i.e. I don't have a day job so would have problems supplying a reference.  I think if you say you're self-employed they may be happy to see three months bank statements to prove your earnings; whether they would want more info than this, eg. what you do, whether you have a website etc, I don't know - this is where it could get problematic. Obviously I wasn't going to tell them what I do for a living, but as I have quite good earnings going into the bank each week I'd have to make up a job of some description.  Private landlords would, I imagine, not want as much info as an agency (most of them seem to want everything, including your inside leg measurement), plus I reckon a private landlord would bite your hand off if you were offering three months in advance, given the 'current climate'.  That said, the agencies must be struggling to keep their head above water at the moment as they have a lot of competition out there, so maybe they would be happy to tell their client that they have a prospective tenant willing to pay three months in advance.

I think the landlord reference might be easier to get around - I was going to pretend that I have been living with my partner in their home but that we have separated/are separating, hence my need for a new place and lack of current landlord  ;)

On a financial note, I do know that money paid in rent and for bills on a working flat is tax deductable, so that's one good thing!  Interesting, I hadn't thought about the second home discount but I would say that would definitely be something to go for.

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« Reply #10 on: 04 May 2009, 10:26:32 am »
I'd also chuck money at the landlord. I did the same think a few years ago with my private residence. I sold my flat back when the market was still good, I didn't have any references so I offered my landlord a few months rent in advance and he jumped at it.

As for being in breach of planning regulations, it does depend on a few things; how many people you have coming in and out of your flat (although if five is the magic number, you should be okay as I remember you saying you don't see that many during the week, correct me if I'm wrong), how much of the flat is used for work (which would be the whole flat in your case, so that might be a minor problem), keeping your head down so you don't attract any attention from neighbours and in turn piss them off enough to report you, and if you take on a maid/receptionist.
Remember, even if the landlord did find out, he couldn't evict you straight away anyway, even if you are in breach of your contract. He'd have to go through the proper channels, taking you to court etc., so you'd have the time to move out and find alternative premises.

It isn't actually against the law for a landlord to rent out to a lone escort who wishes to work from the premises. It is when it's rented out to more than one person. You could even take a chance in telling him what your purposes are, but that could lead all sorts of sticky situations, eg. asking for sexual favours in return, or putting up your rent, which he'd be within his rights to do.

If your budget can stretch to it, legally and for the sake of less hassle, you'd be better off working on your own. You wouldn't be breaking any laws and there's less of a chance of the neighbours finding out (less traffic, etc).

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Re: Renting an incall flat
« Reply #11 on: 04 May 2009, 11:40:04 am »
Oh, I think you're right. I thought it was illegal for a landlord to allow his premises to be used for habitual prostitution, but it looks like that only applies to tenants. Weird. I think telling the truth would be more awkward than lying in this situation, though.

I'd like to have more than five visitors at least some weeks. I used to find five bookings a week exhausting but I don't any more, which is another reason for considering a permanent incall base.

I've found where the private landlords are (unless they're all secretly agencies); Gumtree. Looking for somewhere within a mile of my house limits things quite a bit, but there's no rush so I'll watch until I find the right place.

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Re: Renting an incall flat
« Reply #12 on: 04 May 2009, 01:52:55 pm »
If your calls take place 9-5 on weekdays then there's less chance of your neighbours even noticing how many visitors a week you have. 

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« Reply #13 on: 04 May 2009, 02:43:06 pm »
Oh, I think you're right. I thought it was illegal for a landlord to allow his premises to be used for habitual prostitution, but it looks like that only applies to tenants. Weird. I think telling the truth would be more awkward than lying in this situation, though.

I'd like to have more than five visitors at least some weeks. I used to find five bookings a week exhausting but I don't any more, which is another reason for considering a permanent incall base.

I've found where the private landlords are (unless they're all secretly agencies); Gumtree. Looking for somewhere within a mile of my house limits things quite a bit, but there's no rush so I'll watch until I find the right place.

Yeah, I remember somebody had written to me asking about the legalities of getting her own working flat as she was new. From what I remember on the SW5 website, it's only illegal to rent to a lone escort if you're the tenant, not the landlord. So even if your landlord does find out, you could assure them that s/he wouldn't come to any grief. Then again, it does depend on the neighbours. But like I said, they can't just throw you out even if they're weren't too receptive to the idea.

Let us know what you decide to do and how you get on.


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Re: Renting an incall flat
« Reply #14 on: 04 May 2009, 05:46:17 pm »
.. it looks like that only applies to tenants. Weird. I think telling the truth would be more awkward than lying in this situation, though.

Yep, this is one of the reasons I don't say the legal situation makes sense! I wonder if it's the class / money issue coming up - the number of people owning property was rather smaller in the mid-50s than it is now.

I'd be interested in seeing a reference for the 'five people' bit, because it sounds odd to me.

The big problem with telling the truth in this situation is the risk of them either raising the rent or wanting freebies.
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