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The Bachelor · « **on:** 29 January 2014, 09:19:58 am »

I can't quite pull up the articles...but in my research across the web over these past days about clients not being serious, cancelling, no-shows, etc....I read from both a Web designer and an escort who stated that any self-respecting freelancer shouldn't charge less than $200/hr. One entrpeneur stated that she had people not take her seriously when she charged under 200. Alot of articles really hone in on freelancers to understand their 'worth' and not sell ourselves short.

But, it all sounds good on paper...but I struggle to get clients in my local area to want to pay that. they always moan and complain about prices and rates out here. Once in awhile I'll get someone who doesn't mind paying the $200, but the most part I get turned down and end up having to lower it.

What are you thoughts?

edit: here's one of the places I found this from:

The absolute lowest amount of money I would advise any self-respecting escort to accept is $200 no matter how short the time; I have heard of internet girls accepting less than that for a half-hour, but I would never accept such a deal myself nor allow any of my girls to do so. The reason is simple: Every ATM I have ever seen will give out at least $200, so a decent man might legitimately claim to only be able to get his hands on that much in a strange city. If a man cannot come up with at least $200 it means he cannot afford $200, which in turn means that the money is dearer to him than to a more affluent client and he will be more likely to try to get every last penny?s worth out of his escort?s hide;

-http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2010/10/09/the-going-rate/

I will admit this girl does sound a bit daft. She loses credibility with me when she goes on to talk smack about black clients which sounded very generalized and un-true. But, can't help but wonder if what she's saying makes sense or not.

KimberlyC · « **Reply #1 on:** 29 January 2014, 10:39:12 am »

If you charge below the average rate, I think you may be inviting trouble. If you charge above, you have to at least appear to have something the others don't.

xw5 · « **Reply #2 on:** 29 January 2014, 11:01:01 am »

.. and were they a male or female escort? You know those two markets are different.

You also know that what Kimberly says is right: if you are charging significantly more or less than other people offering roughly the same thing in the same area, you need to have a good reason.

You also know that some people who charge more can be very vocal about anyone doing it for less than them is not a proper whore like what they are.

Lots of clients always have a reason for wanting to paying less, whatever the field you are in. You can't make them pay more - minimum wage legislation apart, you don't have a divine right to be paid X - but you can make them feel they are really missing out if they don't pay what you are asking. It's called marketing.

The Bachelor · « **Reply #3 on:** 29 January 2014, 09:14:04 pm »

Quote from: xw5 on 29 January 2014, 11:01:01 am

.. and were they a male or female escort? You know those two markets are different.

You also know that what Kimberly says is right: if you are charging significantly more or less than other people offering roughly the same thing in the same area, you need to have a good reason.

You also know that some people who charge more can be very vocal about anyone doing it for less than them is not a proper whore like what they are.

Lots of clients always have a reason for wanting to paying less, whatever the field you are in. You can't make them pay more - minimum wage legislation apart, you don't have a divine right to be paid X - but you can make them feel they are really missing out if they don't pay what you are asking. It's called marketing.

Yes, I must admit those were females

But gee, I guess that basically says that it's custom that male escorts can be made to do stuff for less, even free. Oh wait...that's nothing new

How can I make them feel they are really missing out if they don't pay what I'm asking? What would be a couple of phrases you'd use? I mean, how convincing is it to say, "well if you don't...you're not going to get the best fuck in town!"

And then when I try to tell people that I'll see them at their offer for something like 30 minutes, they get mad and tell me they don't want a quickie and want the full hour. Just fucking cheap...You have to literally be living in Washington DC and be fucking all the government officials in congress to really make some decent money in America as a gay escort.

strawberry · « **Reply #4 on:** 29 January 2014, 09:19:30 pm »

It doesn't matter if you are charging ?50 or ?250 an hour, if someone is a timewaster or faffer it will not make any different. Some people think higher rates = more serious clients. All it means if the clients who do turn up are willing and able to pay whatever you are charging.

Timewasters, robbers, those who would harm you probably aren't going to be paying so it's no odds to them.

BibiofLeeds · « **Reply #5 on:** 29 January 2014, 09:25:31 pm »

I totally agree with Strawberry.Timewasters target all price ranges.I charge very reasonably compared to some other girls I am friends with the same guy who will piss me around will then ring them and do the same.We sometimes ring each other and check numbers you see.I post on another bad client database somewhere and the same emails and a w i.ds and numbers come up for girls charging 50 for 30 mins as for 80 for 30 mins.I personally feel what you charge does not always dictate what kind of enquiries or clients you get,I have shared clients that have seen every type of lady from 160 an hour girls to 100 an hour girls.I believe its how you advertise and how you screen that gets you the nice guys.

xw5 · « **Reply #6 on:** 30 January 2014, 10:48:25 am »

Quote from: The Bachelor on 29 January 2014, 09:14:04 pm

Yes, I must admit those were females

But gee, I guess that basically says that it's custom that male escorts can be made to do stuff for less, even free. Oh wait...that's nothing new

It's supply and demand at work. You know (again) that there is a huge availability of anonymous casual sex on the gay scene. Even where there isn't a 'sex on the premises' commercial scene, there are places where men go to cruise each other or which are public sex environments. Combine that supply of no strings sex with the lower demand (thanks to fewer men wanting sex with men than want sex with women) and you get lower prices for male escorts.

See the posts here from women about how the markets here have changed with increasing supply (more women working) and the effects of a recession: it's not just you (and you know that too!)

No-one can make you do stuff for less, but you can't make them pay more either. You can give them reasons to do so...

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How can I make them feel they are really missing out if they don't pay what I'm asking? What would be a couple of phrases you'd use? I mean, how convincing is it to say, "well if you don't...you're not going to get the best fuck in town!"

I am not going to do your marketing for free either

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You have to literally be living in Washington DC and be fucking all the government officials in congress to really make some decent money in America as a gay escort.

What's stopping you moving there, then?

Wife4rent · « **Reply #7 on:** 30 January 2014, 02:28:39 pm »

Quote from: Strawberry on 29 January 2014, 09:19:30 pm

It doesn't matter if you are charging ?50 or ?250 an hour, if someone is a timewaster or faffer it will not make any different. Some people think higher rates = more serious clients. All it means if the clients who do turn up are willing and able to pay whatever you are charging.

Timewasters, robbers, those who would harm you probably aren't going to be paying so it's no odds to them.

I also agree with Strawberry, idiots that waste your time are the type that will do it anyway as they probably have no intention of turning up. Some girls feel that they would not demean themselves by charging less than X amount and consider anybody that does to be cheap.

It really depends on how you work, is there much demand out there for ?150+ escorts now? (I presume we are talking hourly rate?) 20 years ago I used to do a visiting service and charged ?150 an hour, advertising in the Sunday Sport I used to do very well and could do 2/4 jobs on a Sunday. I still had loads of idiots calling me from all over the country.

Working how I do now suits me

15 Mins = 50
30 Mins = 70
60 Mins = 120

For incalls and 150 for an outcall

I could put my half hour / hour prices up but not sure how guys would feel about it. If I put my half hour up to 80 I would need to be sure that I did not lose too many of the guys or I would be out of pocket at the end of the month but have worked less for the money.

It could mean that more of the guys would opt for a 50 quickie.

If I worked from my own home I would consider putting my prices up as I think it is a different way of working.

Sarah x x x

The Bachelor · « **Reply #8 on:** 30 January 2014, 08:32:01 pm »

Quote from: xw5 on 30 January 2014, 10:48:25 am

What's stopping you moving there, then?

I'd need to come up with enough money to move a whole studio-apartment full of things nearly 2,000 miles across the country...and then, when I get there I'd have to pay a ridiculous deposit for a place to live AND 1st months rent...in one of the most expensive cities in the coutry (some have argued THE expensive in the country).

It would probably cost me around $3,000 to move there. Also, I was being a bit exagerrative. DC is not the only place in the country. There's others that are cheaper to work in, and DC is super competitive escort-wise...and I've even heard of escorts being called up and being told to leave by other escorts claiming, "there are too many in the area".

Wife4rent · « **Reply #9 on:** 31 January 2014, 02:06:50 am »

Quote from: The Bachelor on 30 January 2014, 08:32:01 pm

when I get there I'd have to pay a ridiculous deposit for a place to live AND 1st months rent...in one of the most expensive cities in the coutry.

I am sure that is the same in many countries and also relates to all types of business, not just escorting. walking around the West End of London the other day it is a surprise to see how many small shops are still open after the recession. How do they survive paying high rates / rents? I guess there is just far more demand in that area than in my local area.

A high deposit and rent in advance is quite normal, from a business point of view. We have rented industrial units and had to pay 6 months rent as a deposit plus 3 months rent in advance. Many commercial units are let on quarterly rent periods.

I have known girls that have moved up to London to do escort work and done very well from it and yes they had to find a large deposit and pay a high rent for the right apartment. But the end result was worth the risk.

Sarah x x x

The Bachelor · « **Reply #10 on:** 31 January 2014, 09:43:49 am »

Quote from: Wife4rent on 31 January 2014, 02:06:50 am

I have known girls that have moved up to London to do escort work and done very well from it and yes they had to find a large deposit and pay a high rent for the right apartment. But the end result was worth the risk.

Sarah x x x

But I'm not a girl so I don't know if it'll work out for me in that same way. Besides, isn't London slow these days?

I'd say a large percentage (I hate to say 'most') gay men tend to have sex with a guy once, and then never again. So if I move into an apartment that cost 50 billion dollars a month, I have to make sure I'm seeing 50 billion clients a month too. And that may not be possible if guys are only coming once and then leaving.

With America's capitol DC, there's a bit more chance for that to happen because there's a constant business and tourist population traveling thru. But again, competition is fierce and the money to come up to move there would be exorbitant. I personally would rather move to a less expensive city and work a little bit less.

Wanton Harlot · « **Reply #11 on:** 31 January 2014, 10:53:31 am »

My fees are the same as sarah, except I start at ?100 for the hr. But before, when I first started escorting over a year ago, I had my prices much lower, and I cant say I was any busier than I am at the moment.
There are men out there who do have a higher income and can afford my fee's, and there are always going to be men who prefer to look around for the cheapest escort. And there are many [ far too many ] who want to barter and haggle [ which I don't allow ]
and often I have been asked if I would give a bj for ?30 as it was not sex they wanted lmao
I think there must be a book out there, for men, that tells them a bj is worth only ?30 !! sorry, not in my world it's not.
I have a male friend who insists, if I did bj's for that, then I would have lots of money......
That's a mans logic for you [ oh and he said I should offer them coffee and buscuits afterwards as it would make for good customer service and they would cum back again haha ] btw, I never listen to his advice lol

ClaireJayne · « **Reply #12 on:** 31 January 2014, 03:57:10 pm »

Quote from: Wife4rent on 30 January 2014, 02:28:39 pm

It really depends on how you work, is there much demand out there for ?150+ escorts now? (I presume we are talking hourly rate?) 20 years ago I used to do a visiting service and charged ?150 an hour, advertising in the Sunday Sport I used to do very well and could do 2/4 jobs on a Sunday. I still had loads of idiots calling me from all over the country.

Working how I do now suits me

15 Mins = 50
30 Mins = 70
60 Mins = 120

For incalls and 150 for an outcall

I could put my half hour / hour prices up but not sure how guys would feel about it. If I put my half hour up to 80 I would need to be sure that I did not lose too many of the guys or I would be out of pocket at the end of the month but have worked less for the money.

It could mean that more of the guys would opt for a 50 quickie.

If I worked from my own home I would consider putting my prices up as I think it is a different way of working.

Sarah x x x

I'd say, yes there is. I am ?150 in-call per hour now and putting my prices up has made me busier. In times of financial hardship the middle of the market is always squeezed, so you have two options to go lower in price or go higher. I'm choosing to go higher, its a fools game to compete just on price in an over-saturated market, its hard to find what works for you but it can be found.

Sticking at ?150 for another month or so then putting them up and if the work drys up, no harm in putting them down again.

amy · « **Reply #13 on:** 31 January 2014, 04:05:57 pm »

Quote from: Vivienne on 31 January 2014, 03:57:10 pm

I'd say, yes there is. I am ?150 in-call per hour now and putting my prices up has made me busier. In times of financial hardship the middle of the market is always squeezed, so you have two options to go lower in price or go higher. I'm choosing to go higher, its a fools game to compete just on price in an over-saturated market, its hard to find what works for you but it can be found.

Sticking at ?150 for another month or so then putting them up and if the work drys up, no harm in putting them down again.

I agree - I've seen people charging everything from ?60 - ?1000ph in London, and they're just the ones I've seen; there'll be parlours, agencies and non-advertising indies charging every imaginable rate and there's a market for all of them if your service is good and the marketing right. Assuming Adultwork represents some kind of norm doesn't work - Adultwork only represents Adultwork and covers one section of the market, although it's a large one.

There's no point trying to compete on price no matter where you are, as there'll always be somebody cheaper and a race to the bottom doesn't do anybody any favours, even punters - if I had to shag twice as many per week to earn the money I need, then there would come a point where I was working when I didn't really want to be and however hard I tried I'm certain it would show eventually.

Wife4rent · « **Reply #14 on:** 31 January 2014, 05:32:26 pm »

Quote from: Vivienne on 31 January 2014, 03:57:10 pm

I'd say, yes there is. I am ?150 in-call per hour now and putting my prices up has made me busier.

In times of financial hardship the middle of the market is always squeezed, so you have two options to go lower in price or go higher.

I referred to 20 years ago, that also was in the middle of a bad recession and I had no problem getting 150 per hour, but then I was 20 years younger...

Where have he years gone? LOL

Sarah x x x

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