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Respect our consent
« on: 03 April 2015, 06:59:55 pm »
Received an email from an organisation run by IUSW - Respect Our Consent.
Thought to post here to spread the word.


In parliament last November, some MPs tried to make it illegal to pay for sex http:// ow.ly/EgRRf

Campaigners for increased criminalisation have met with senior politicians http://  ow.ly/EgRXC and will keep up the pressure for increased repression. (See below for full length links) These well-funded and well-organised crusaders promote the view that they speak for the majority although approximately 70%+ of the population accept that people in the sex industry have a right to exist and to consent to sex (see below for references).

Just five minutes is all it takes to email your PPCs (Prospective Parliamentary Candidates) and politicians who met pro-criminalisation lobbyists via OurConsentCounts.uk. OurConsentCounts.uk is run by the IUSW, long term advocates for the rights and safety of people in the sex industry.

Take action http://ourconsentcounts.uk to prevent criminalisation of consent to sex for money.

Many thanks,

OurConsentCounts.uk


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« Last Edit: 03 April 2015, 07:43:24 pm by amy »

ana30

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Re: Respect our consent
« Reply #1 on: 08 April 2015, 10:22:41 pm »

In parliament last November, some MPs tried to make it illegal to pay for sex

These well-funded and well-organised crusaders promote the view that they speak for the majority although approximately 70%+ of the population accept that people in the sex industry have a right to exist and to consent to sex (see below for references).


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Well...they DON'T speak for me that's for sure. And I'M A goddamn full blown sex worker.

Hello! Anybody out there??? Doesn't my opinion count????

How condescending and patriarchal having a bunch of old white guys telling me what I must and must not to do with my GODDAMN VAGINA. Oh I forgot... "They know better"  :-X :-X

GGGRRRrrrrrrrr.......

Am I living in the UK or Afganistan? cause when I read these things I'm not sure....

(Insert one hundred  head-banging-against-wall cute emoticons here)
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Re: Respect our consent
« Reply #2 on: 19 April 2015, 10:34:21 am »
This morning, I had a reply from Caroline Lucas, the Brighton Green mp. Her views don't reflect the party which is confusing:

"Thank you for getting in touch about the criminalisation of sex work. I do apologise for the delay in responding to you. I receive a vast amount of emails and it isn?t always possible to reply as quickly as I would like.
 
As a proud feminist, I feel very strongly about equality between men and women and like you, I am extremely concerned about the safety and discrimination of sex workers.
 
You may be interested to know that as an MP, I took part in an inquiry by the all Party Parliamentary Group on Prostitution and the Global Sex Trade to assess the operation of the UK?s legal settlement on prostitution. We also set out to explore whether new legislation was needed. The enquiry attracted responses from individuals, local councils, health care services, police and law enforcement, outreach projects and those involved in prostitution.   Paramount in my mind when considering the evidence was that any legal response to prostitution must reflect the concerns of sex workers, and must provide the best possible help in preventing women from being exploited, marginalised, abused and stereotyped. We concluded that legislation was needed to criminalise the purchase of sex, alongside decriminalising prostitution, and that the evidence this would make women safer was much stronger and more compelling than the evidence that it would make women less safe.
 
I believe that a Sex Buyers Law would help tackle the demand for prostitution and sex trafficking. I, therefore, support the End Demand campaign which is backed by, amongst others, Womens Aid, the TUC Women's Committee, the Fawcett Society, End Violence Against Women Coalition and Eaves.
 
I support a Sex Buyers Law because it would formally recognise that prostitution is a barrier to gender equality. It would help shift public attitudes by clearly signalling that the purchase of sex is at odds with the fundamental right to freedom, to equality and against exploitation. It would help reduce demand, acting as an immediate deterrent and a more long term one as attitudes change. It would reduce the prevalence of human trafficking to the UK, as has happened in those countries where similar legislation as already been introduced. It would help protect women by directly targeting resources at support and exiting services for those exploited through prostitution - housing, education & training, legal advice, welfare benefits and health care. And ultimately a Sex Buyers Law would help protect men too, because nobody gains from a culture in which the sexual commodification of women and girls is the norm.
 
It?s all too common for the debate about the law and prostitution to be polarised between those who argue that criminalising the purchase of sex is the answer; and those who counter that it can increase the stigmatisation of sex workers and silence their voices.  The Nordic model, on which the proposal for a Sex Buyers law is based, is not perfect ? for example, the inquiry heard how in Sweden there was insufficient input from sex workers.  However, we have an opportunity to learn from other?s experiences, to do things better and to put the rights of women first and foremost at every stage. I think this is what a Sex Buyer Law can help achieve, so it?s very welcome that the End Demand Campaign has attracted such broad support and has made such a strong commitment to the rights of sex workers being centre stage, both in the detail of any law and in the process of how it gets developed.
 
I have outlined some of the evidence from Sweden, which adopted the Sex Buyer Law in 1999, for your information:
 
?         According to the National Criminal Police, Sweden has become a more hostile destination for traffickers.
?         Street prostitution in Sweden halved between 1999 and 2008 and there is no evidence women were simply displaced to indoor prostitution or prostitution advertised online. Despite Sweden having 3.8 million more inhabitants than neighbouring Denmark, the number of people involved in prostitution in Sweden ? its ?prostitution population? ? is approximately a tenth of Denmark?s - where buying sex is legal.  The number of men paying for sex in Sweden has declined. Between 1996 and 2008 the proportion of men who reported paying for sex declined from 12.7% to 7.6%.
?         Public attitudes have changed. In 1996, 45% of women and 20% of men in Sweden supported criminalising the purchase of sex. By 2008, support for this legal principle had risen to 79% among women and 60% among men.
 
And from Norway, which adopted the Sex Buyer Law in 2009:
 
?         Norway has become a more hostile destination for traffickers. An evaluation of the law?s impact reported: ?A reduced market and increased law enforcement posit larger risks for human traffickers?The law has thus affected important pull factors and reduced the extent of human trafficking in Norway in comparison to a situation without a law.?
?         The prostitution market has shrunk. Systematic field observations of the street prostitution market in Oslo reveal it has declined by 40%-65% since the law was adopted
 
 
Prostitution arises because we do not have gender equality. It is also a tangible barrier to such equality because it reinforces and perpetuates the unequal status of ALL women. It is undoubtedly a form of modern slavery ? whether just for the duration of the transaction or as an immutable aspect of everyday life.  I believe that prostitution is about being exploited, coerced, raped, sexually abused and objectified. Prostitution is violence against women and happens because, as a society, we continue to tolerate violence against women.  To tolerate women?s inequality.
 
I appreciate this does not reflect your position, and also differs from Green Party policy. However, it is always extremely useful for me to hear from people who have expertise in the area so that I can consider all aspects of the debate. However, I hope you are assured that I have given the matter my full attention before reaching this position and that, like you, I am completely committed to ending gender inequality and gendered violence.  If you require any further information, or have any more questions, please don?t hesitate to write again."

Now I am super confused about who to vote for...
 

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Re: Respect our consent
« Reply #3 on: 19 April 2015, 12:04:35 pm »
"Prostitution arises because we do not have gender equality. It is also a tangible barrier to such equality because it reinforces and perpetuates the unequal status of ALL women. It is undoubtedly a form of modern slavery ? whether just for the duration of the transaction or as an immutable aspect of everyday life.  I believe that prostitution is about being exploited, coerced, raped, sexually abused and objectified. Prostitution is violence against women and happens because, as a society, we continue to tolerate violence against women.  To tolerate women?s inequality."

What a load of codswallop!
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Re: Respect our consent
« Reply #4 on: 19 April 2015, 12:47:10 pm »
So, so upset by Lucas. :(

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Re: Respect our consent
« Reply #5 on: 19 April 2015, 02:26:17 pm »

Prostitution arises because we do not have gender equality. It is also a tangible barrier to such equality because it reinforces and perpetuates the unequal status of ALL women. It is undoubtedly a form of modern slavery ? whether just for the duration of the transaction or as an immutable aspect of everyday life.  I believe that prostitution is about being exploited, coerced, raped, sexually abused and objectified. Prostitution is violence against women and happens because, as a society, we continue to tolerate violence against women.  To tolerate women?s inequality.
 
I appreciate this does not reflect your position, and also differs from Green Party policy. However, it is always extremely useful for me to hear from people who have expertise in the area so that I can consider all aspects of the debate. However, I hope you are assured that I have given the matter my full attention before reaching this position and that, like you, I am completely committed to ending gender inequality and gendered violence.  If you require any further information, or have any more questions, please don?t hesitate to write again."

How condescending is this? To have some chick who has nothing to do with sex work telling me that I'm exploited, coerced and sexually abused?  Sorry but I charge a lot for my services and I'm very happy offering them. Does that mean that there's no explotation within the sex industry? Of course there is, just like there is explotation in a whole other industries. Should we ban nail saloons, farm labour or textile factories because of the huuuuuuge human trafficking they attract? I remember some months ago when the police discovered 30 romanians in a farm (South of England) being held captive in a barn and working against their will. Should we ban fruit picking because of it?

This is ridiculous. I'm going to write a letter to this lady asap.
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cheesypeas

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Re: Respect our consent
« Reply #6 on: 19 April 2015, 02:29:26 pm »
I'm guessing a lot of the objection is based on
Christian beliefs of the MPs, their constituents and
'anti-sex-out-of-marriage-lobbyists'.
......sort of semi-hidden agenda.

So logical discussions get trampled
by that 'elephant in the room'.
What we say isn't relevant to their state of mind.
.....But not every MP may have the same restrictive agenda.

Sex workers ocassionally get open invitations to the
houses of parliament via the International Union of Sex Workers
to discusss these issues with MPs.
I think it's useful to go along to register our views.
and keep challenging and lobbying officially.
To prevent these anti-sex laws slipping through.

(...and it's a nice day out by the river ;))




« Last Edit: 19 April 2015, 03:21:12 pm by cheesypeas »
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Re: Respect our consent
« Reply #7 on: 19 April 2015, 03:57:10 pm »
Being the one's in it, how do we not get a say in this? How is it safer for us to work without the protection we have now of the police. Because seriously, how many here would actually quit if it was made illegal?

cheesypeas

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Re: Respect our consent
« Reply #8 on: 19 April 2015, 04:00:53 pm »
Midsstudent, if I read it correctly....

the original post
-isn't concerned with making prostitution illegal
-nor with making us criminals
-nor lessen our rights for protection by the police as citizens

We do have a say...if you contact
International Union of Sex Workers
they may help you with that...defo lots of
ways to have your say! ;)

PS UK Sikhs had to do all kinds of legal challenges,
motorbike gatherings, releasing positive PR
stories to get the law changed.
So they could ride without sticking helmets over
their bulky turbans....They are now exempt.
They changed British law with patience and persistence.
« Last Edit: 19 April 2015, 05:15:26 pm by cheesypeas »
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Re: Respect our consent
« Reply #9 on: 19 April 2015, 04:22:53 pm »
Being the one's in it, how do we not get a say in this?

Well we do, but only if we get writing letters.

The ECP have a mailing out too urging everybody to write to their MP and press them to support decriminalisation (and in Caroline Lucas' case point out that prostitution is nothing to do with violence and is in fact the exchange of sex for money or other gain, unless she think's it's acceptable to rewrite the English language to try and make her ill-informed point).

I'll post the email when I'm at a computer rather than on my phone :).

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Re: Respect our consent
« Reply #10 on: 19 April 2015, 04:37:02 pm »
Do think they'll actually listen to what is written though, Amy?

Cheesypeas - I was referring to the email by Caroline Lucas, not every post has to link directly back to the OP, I was discussing other things that had been brought up in this thread  ;D
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cheesypeas

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Re: Respect our consent
« Reply #11 on: 19 April 2015, 04:41:09 pm »
Midsstudent, Oops I misunderstood lol.... :D
« Last Edit: 19 April 2015, 05:16:48 pm by cheesypeas »
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Re: Respect our consent
« Reply #12 on: 19 April 2015, 04:44:26 pm »
It's worth a try. My (Tory) MP is absolutely not going to listen to me, he knows my situation entirely and is completely useless in every regard (said it's my Mum's fault that I was essentially homeless because she couldn't afford citizenship), seems to think if this kind of law will save even 1 person from being trafficked that it's worth the safety of thousands more (and we know it will do jack shit for the trafficked).

I'm hanging onto the idea that we might get a Labour MP in our constituency, if so I think he's far more likely to bend. So for me it's a waiting game till May, but I think others could be more receptive.

ETA: I don't want to give up on Lucas, I'm intent on doing a lot with the Greens and might have a chance to meet her soon... If so I'd definitely try bringing it up in person. I think only those in her constituency get a definite response to emails though right?
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« Reply #13 on: 19 April 2015, 04:55:39 pm »
"Prostitution arises because we do not have gender equality. It is also a tangible barrier to such equality because it reinforces and perpetuates the unequal status of ALL women. It is undoubtedly a form of modern slavery � whether just for the duration of the transaction or as an immutable aspect of everyday life"

Really? And she knows this because of what? When will they stop being so selective in their considerations?

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Re: Respect our consent
« Reply #14 on: 19 April 2015, 05:13:20 pm »
VR - I wouldn't be too optimistic. My guess is that speaking very generally Labour are more likely to be in favour of criminalisation than Tories, sad to say...
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