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Spangle

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Hey all

Sorry..little bit of a rant  :o

Had a heck of a sucky day today!

I live in the centre of a small city. The street I live on is notoriously "dodgy" ( I like its proximatey to everything) and although I have never been attacked, I put up with sexual harrassment and verbal abuse on a daily basis. For example, taking my dog for a walk  will mean several groups of grown men will either follow me, shout sexual abuse at me (fucky fucky with me baaabee), grab my arse or on a particularly bad occassion, throw a bottle of piss at me from a moving car when I ignored the charmers advances..oh yes. These men can range from 8 to around 60, and if it's late and dark at night or first thing in the morning. I can be wearing a bikini or a suit..it makes no difference. Sometimes it doesn't bother me and sometimes the frustration makes me cry.
Today was a particularly bad day. I was visiting a friend about a 20 min walk away and had to pass a taxi station. As my friend is ill and needed me to pop to the shops for them I needed to pass this rank at 4 times in total. Every time I passed, the 20 or so guys in the unit or cabs would start banging on the windows, "howling" and shouting the usual (suck my dick baybee etc) and various other pearls of wisdom from their silver tongues. People were staring and I was mortified, a little scared and felt about 2 inches tall. Worst of all, I realised these pricks were the cabbies I usually use..they get about 40 quid a week or more out of me!! Also, they were in the local paper recently being awarded a special gold status for "terrific customer service". The final time I walked past, to get home, It was only a couple of drivers shouting, next to a chap in a suit. I was furious, and got the nerve up to walk up to them and ask if thats the way they believe they should treat prospective customer...shouting abuse at a lone female. I mean, the guys are supposed to be trusted to get lone, drunked females home late at night..it beggars belief!!! Should have known better, they laughed in my face and just made jokes about how they would "relax" me. I ask who the manager was..guess what? I was talking to him.
 I walked home hating myself. For being so impotent and for being so weak. And for having given the b@stards ???'s in fares over the years. I don't consider myself weak usually and like to feel I can take care of myself but how can a change the behaviour of the hundreds of men around me. The old proverb goes  "accept the things you can't change and change the things you can't accept" (or someting like that) but where does that leave me? I can't accept it so I could either a) Move b) become a hermit. But why should I be driven out??

I posted this so I could get it off my chest, it's really bothering me. But also to find out how many other women suffer from this sort of thing, and how they deal with it? I'm sure i'm not alone in this..

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Melody xx

Lucy Chambers

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We are becoming late night regulars, eh? My advice is to move. Not that you should feel driven out, nor that these neanderthal imbeciles should be allowed to continue with their behaviour, more that your home and environs should be a 'safe place' and a sanctuary. Deaing with that type of thing on top of your days work cannot be healthy for the soul.

I used to live just off the edgware road, near sussex gardens. I spent most evening dashing from the cab to my door trying to avoid prospective punters offering me business. Not fun when you have spent most of the day dealing with sexual matters.

Also, if you are really miffed, perhaps a well worded letter to the council? It is they who issue cab licences, and perhaps would be more effective at stemming that crap.

Im going now before I fall over, I hope that my post makes sense!

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Spangle

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Oh my Gosh Lucy, thats so random..the only and only time I was in Sussex Gardens I was flashed at!! You poor, poor thing! Yeah great location but sooo many mentalists round there  :o

Yes, I think moving is the best idea..there's places equally close to town but without all the randoms hanging around looking for women to pester. Also I reckon the letter to the council idea is a good one, particularly as they allowed this cab firm to have this "advanced status" licence thingy. Would love to call on the press at times such as this but with our local paper "family pet rabbit stolen" is as gritty as it likes to get lol.
Ooh you have me thinking now you know..I'd like to try a new city, and as long as I can commute into London at least a couple of times a week, I can go anywhere I like..hmmm  ;D

Sweet dreams my fellow night owl xx

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Hey, I'm sorry you had to experience that disgusting behaviour from those men. :( I wish they knew how revolting they are and that it's COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE to shout or stare or oggle or scream or howl or mutter weird things at women who are just trying to walk on the street without being frightened half to death.

I experienced lots more of this stuff when I lived in different parts of London and now have just slowly gravitated towards wearing shapeless clothes and flat shoes and my hair up. Cos if you wear a dress and heels you just get hassled every step of your journey no matter where you're going! It's either fat sweaty businessmen in a gaggle outside a posh pub grunting at you and saying gross things to each other about you so that you can hear but if you stop they can deny it, or it's jobless schmucks hanging about outside any other pub literally launching themselves at you sometimes, grabbing your arm to stop you if you don't respond to what they're saying! And if you get angry, they just smile so widely and say, "What's the problem, luv? It's a compliment!" Even though they know full well they aren't doing it to compliment you, they're doing it to punish you for not being interested in them sexually or otherwise. Ugh. They are disgusting.

Sorry, my post isn't very helpful. But have you seen the Hollaback websites? Including http://hollaback-uk.blogspot.com/ - they're a network in lots of cities now fighting to make people aware that all street harassment is wrong and that nobody has to put up with it. I know lots of people (women and men) think that we should all be grateful for the attention and that we wouldn't wear skirts if we didn't want strange men to talk to us about our pussies and arses or whatever but actually, I don't think that's true. I'd be delighted if I could really wear something beautiful outside without strangers commenting on it in any way.
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The next time you have to walk past the taxi rank take a mini cam corder with you. record all the verbal abuse  (camera in your bag)and then get their faces on camera so they can see you doing this and state you are recording it to report them for their actions.(you cannot film anyone without their knowledge).  Take this straight to your local council office, the part that deals with licensing. The licensing rules are very strict for cabbies now and they will take this matter seriously and will be able to match the faces to the licenses they hold for them. Sexual abuse is not tolerated in that line of business anymore and the council if pushed to act will do so, by either fining the drivers or suspending their licenses if they continue.

Also if someone grabs your arse etc it is assault and I would report it as such. Too many men think it is acceptable as most women just let it pass. Whenever I am in London or Birmingham I always make sure I carry a little mini cam with me so I can record people who do this, soon as they see the cam they tend to back off and disappear really quickly.
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hello,

I realy understand what ur going through melody,
I live in a dodgy area with junkies,worst kind of chavs etc,i dont do incalls but i get a fair amount of shit from men just cos i  might be wearing something short or abit tight(i dont dress tarty, just self vanity & self care)  Some pricks think its fine to call you names & just be realy rude.

What do u do........i agree its not good for your self esteem,im not going to swear back but is ignoring it the best thing? ? :-\


gemma xx
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Oh my Gosh Lucy, thats so random..the only and only time I was in Sussex Gardens I was flashed at!! You poor, poor thing! Yeah great location but sooo many mentalists round there  :o

Yes, I think moving is the best idea..there's places equally close to town but without all the randoms hanging around looking for women to pester. Also I reckon the letter to the council idea is a good one, particularly as they allowed this cab firm to have this "advanced status" licence thingy. Would love to call on the press at times such as this but with our local paper "family pet rabbit stolen" is as gritty as it likes to get lol.
Ooh you have me thinking now you know..I'd like to try a new city, and as long as I can commute into London at least a couple of times a week, I can go anywhere I like..hmmm  ;D

Sweet dreams my fellow night owl xx


Thats exactly what I do..I now live three hours from London, and as I have the menagerie at home I have to commute to work, but in a lot of ways it has worked out better as I get to do my favourite thing, travel.

As to the camcorder idea it is a good one, but I wouldn't walk around carrying one, you may find that it makes you something of a different kind of target. You could always start carrying a rape alarm though, the new ones hook onto your bag strap and you literally just pull it..and they are LOUD...

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« Last Edit: 01 July 2010, 04:54:48 pm by amy »

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I would suggest moving too.
You could look on it as being driven out or you could look on it as moving on to a nicer area.
I mean is the area not pretty grotty anyway if its inhabitants are like this?
I understand being central is good, but you could compromise and move a bit further out, and to a nicer area.
Thats what i've done and I don't get much hassle at all.

This post is beginning to sound a bit 'location, location, location' so i'l be quiet now.

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Hi

Move on to a better life, you deserve better!

H xx

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It's a shame you can't follow these twats home & knock on their door saying something like is this is a good time for that shag, wank or blowjob you asked me for earlier!!!!! Obviouslyafter you have moved out of the area & no longer uses their cab services!!!

How would they like it or their wives knowing what they're shouting !?

I've had a few school boys shouting through the letter box "I've got ?4.50 can I have a wank luv!!???" And knocking on the door but I just completely ignore them.

Hope you decide what's best for you luvvie, good luck. You don't ever have to put up with this kind of behaviour.

Kate xx

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Some posts above have been edited to remove racist, xenophobic and otherwise offensive content. SAAFE is not a place for prejudice and to air ignorant, bigoted views here is inappropriate and unacceptable.

Further posts expressing similar sentiments will be deleted.

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Erm, I referred to a area that is well known for street robberies. There are areas like that all over britain, and while I fully accept that in retrospect that could be offensive to some and if so I apologise. I do not accept that it  was in anyway racist, ignorant, bigoted or xenophobic. Nor was it a comment calculated to cause offence. I feel that that the comment was made in light hearted manner in a blather and babble section.

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amy

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Erm, I referred to a area that is well known for street robberies. There are areas like that all over britain, and while I fully accept that in retrospect that could be offensive to some, I do not accept that it  was in anyway racist, ignorant, bigoted or xenophobic. Nor was it a comment calculated to cause offence.

As you say, there are plenty of areas known for street robberies all over the UK, but to stereotype and dismiss them for this reason (and it would have been the same whichever area it had been) is offensive to some people, and the reason I removed the specific reference was following a complaint from someone who was irritated by it and not unreasonably.

The comment which was racist and xenophobic was removed from a different post, and another post was removed altogether. I doubt any of them were intended to cause offence, but they did, and whilst I'm all for letting people show themselves to some extent when it comes to things like this, it reflects badly on SAAFE. These sort of simplistic generalisations are not helpful to the discussion and do not belong on the forum.

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Then in that case I can only apologise to the person (s) it offended, it was only meant as a reference point.  :-\