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Author Topic: Sensual Masseuse required/Tasteful apartment in Southampton/Free accomodation  (Read 18721 times)

Dani

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I am not sure if B2B is classed as prositution but if it is then no you would not be within the guidlines of the Law if one person used each property as you will still be controlling for gain.  I also think you may have to worry about tantric as well as that is purposely to aid sexual arousal and enjoyment so may well come under the same heading although not sure and with Tantric massage guys will expect a happy ending

The only way it could work is if that one person advertised herself, not on your site, if she took all her own bookings and if you did not get any money from it.

If you are offering B2b guys are also going to expect a happy ending.  After all you cannot expect them to think it is not on offer when they have a completely naked woman rubbing their naked body up and down on them.  Also there is bound to be genital contact during this so I am not sure if it would be classed as sexual services or not as I dont do massage

I do however think you should have found all of this out before trying to employ girls.  A good boss always ensures they know the risks to themselves and their staff before starting to employ anyone
« Last Edit: 23 February 2013, 01:53:50 pm by Dani »
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Thanks Dani,
I don't think the hand relief that might be expected is going to be an issue... when I practised as a sensual masseuse in London, I made very clear to the client at the time of booking that no sex, no oral, no hand relief was on offer (and also when they arrived). I had no difficult customers except for one or two that I was able to handle.
The grey area is whether it is considered prostitution in the eyes of the law... where is that fine line when a sensual massage is considered sexual. You also highlight the risk to the masseuse, not only in the legitimatacy but the threat from customers expecting more... I can't be in the massage room with them. I also can't see if masseuses are giving extras without my knowledge... so I too put myself at risk.
So I'm not hiring. I'll be doing the massages as an independent. Website will of course need a complete overhaul.

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The grey area is whether it is considered prostitution in the eyes of the law... where is that fine line when a sensual massage is considered sexual.

With the best will in the world Nina, the only person who apparently believes there is any difference is you, no one else and certainly not the law. It might sound better to you (just as some prostitutes prefer to be called 'escorts') but it doesn't alter the facts; sex does not begin and end with penetration or even genital contact as has been explained above, and the legal definition (which I can't link to because I'm away for the weekend and on my phone) basically requires an act to be something that a reasonable person would consider to serve as means for somebody to get their rocks off.

To state that a near naked oily woman wriggling about on a near naked man is not sexual is beyond ridiculous, and I'm pretty sure you know that as well as we do - you only seem to be here to look for loopholes that will help you get away with it. Provided you work alone you're fine just as the rest of us are, but the minute you have others on the premises it's brothel whether you like it or not, and trying to find clever wording for your marketing doesn't alter the facts any more than putting a Braeburn sticker on a orange makes it an apple.

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Thanks for the very helpful response Amy.

I still maintain that the website was not a front for anything other than sensual massage and perhaps either of the two people who responded to the ad will back me up on this, on this thread... I clearly responded with what the job entailed. The website has been changed. I will be working alone and I admit to being a bit naive about what I thought what constitutes prostitution. You are very right indeed and thank you for your help in preventing me make a very big mistake.

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So if I wouldn't even have to give the guy a wank why would I have to be attractive. Surely it would make more sense to have an Anne Widdecombe lookalike then there's no danger of the men wanting touched down there.
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I think I responded to you earlier on that. In my opinion, your comment is completely valid if we were talking about a therapeutic massage which we are not. I have heard you and respect your opinion and even agree with it but men prefer sensual massages from attractive women... FACT. I fear this might become circular diatribe and it is now not salient anyway because I'm not hiring.

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I think I responded to you earlier on that. In my opinion, your comment is completely valid if we were talking about a therapeutic massage which we are not. I have heard you and respect your opinion and even agree with it but men prefer sensual massages from attractive women... FACT. I fear this might become circular diatribe and it is now not salient anyway because I'm not hiring.

So if not a "therapeutic" massage, it's most definitely sexual.

And what one man thinks is "attractive" another will find "unattractive". Men like their bits played with by someone THEY are attracted to. Whether that's skinny, fat, pretty, ugly, white, black, tall, short, blonde, brunette, young, old....all in the eye of the beholder.

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Hi Cat, yes I conceded your first point to Amy in her last post.

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So if I wouldn't even have to give the guy a wank why would I have to be attractive. Surely it would make more sense to have an Anne Widdecombe lookalike then there's no danger of the men wanting touched down there.

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Wait...An erotic massage place that advertises tantric massage/sensual massage/nuru + a website plastered with semi-naked girls (no massage certification), champan bottles and there's no happy ending of any sorts? If that business works out for you please let us know as it would be a first in our contemporary sex industry. And remember that all over the south Hampton area you have  a lot of attractive massage therapists with plenty of certifications on their walls charging  a quarter of your rates for a massage so if you're not providing any sexual service of any sorts you're going to have to be very good at ... Something else (?)
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Just out of interest if your not an escort and this massage parlour is not a brothel and offers no sexual services.. Why are you advertising on a sex worker website?  ::)

RR

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So you're prepared to employ others but haven't made yourself aware of the relevant legislation - so, therefore, not really researched what you're doing?

Thats comforting.

I date women, not men, in my private life. If I had an attractive woman all over my near naked body covered in oil (besides the fact I'd retch at the soft porno cliche) I'd expect some form of sexual relief. If I'm thinking that, a red blooded hetero-male is going to be thinking the same. If I go for a massage thats above board, it isn't to a 'luxury' apartment where I can have champagne with a pretty girl.

You might have a market for what you claim you offer in London - London is a big city. Southampton isn't. Still doesn't explain why, as Roxy said, you are advertising on a sex worker forum.

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Nina, if your massages include a sexual service such as hand relief, you are running a brothel and just as liable to prosecution for this as the people running the cathouse up the road (or one of us sharing her flat, and so on).

If you are only offering straightforward massage (such I would go for at a spa), then I would ask a: in what way is it 'sensual' (ie. constituting a sexual service in the eyes of the law) and b: why are you advertising on a sex workers forum?

I see where your coming from. No word of a lie but I would  sneak in extra's as that's what I do give a sex service. It's a bit like advertizing for a cleaning job on a porn forum lol.

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Still doesn't explain why, as Roxy said, you are advertising on a sex worker forum.

Actually it was me who first asked that, way back when, and the OP has already addressed it if anybody wants to read back a bit. All of the same points here are just getting repeated over and over again now and it's starting to look more like an excuse to take pot shots at an easy target rather than any sort of discussion, especially since the OP has made it very clear that she has taken advice on board and changed her plans.

If nobody has anything new to add, leave it be, please. It's getting like a stuck record and it's not only boring but it's helping no-one - there are far more worthwhile threads to post in.