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« Reply #435 on: 08 August 2015, 06:42:37 pm »
Has anyone received the email sent out today which makes out that VS will be paying "your NUM membership fees"?

NUM membership is free, so why is VS wording an email that makes it sound as if they are giving their advertisers something which is free to anyone no matter where they advertise or even advertise at all?

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« Reply #436 on: 08 August 2015, 07:25:45 pm »
Could we see email Mirror please?
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« Reply #437 on: 08 August 2015, 07:37:36 pm »
Here's the content (it's only missing the headline part which inexplicably says 'We're got you covered' - I assume somebody was asleep at the switch when they knocked it together), with thanks to the lady who forwarded it to us as I don't advertise on VS:

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Amazing news! Vivastreet is now going to be paying for you to have membership to the essential National Ugly Mugs service.

The National Ugly Mugs service is all about keeping people who work in our industry safe, and providing them with the support they need following an encounter with a threatening or dangerous individual. You can choose to get a text message or email when someone dangerous is operating in your area.

Now, every single person with a live ad on Vivastreet will get their membership of National Ugly Mugs paid for by us. That's the deal. As long as you keep your ad on Vivastreet, we'll keep paying for your fees for Ugly Mugs. Simple.

We think the service is so important for your safety, we're paying your membership fees.

All you need to do is register for service and we'll take care of the rest.

You can register here.

Love

The Vivastreet Team

PS We'd love it if you helped spread the word about this by forwarding this email to your friends, or sharing it on Twitter or Facebook. Just click the handy buttons below.

A formal complaint will be winging it's way to them as soon as I've calmed down a bit. I suggest they think very carefully about how they big themselves up on here in the future, since my tolerance for their relentless threadbumping has dropped to zero, and that's where it's going to be staying. And people think that we have no shame.

Vivastreet, I recommend you sack whoever thought this might be a good idea, because unless you withdraw it and apologise I guarantee it's going to do you some damage. I only hope it doesn't adversely affect Ugly Mugs.

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Re: New Vivastreet posting rules (UK) and online focus group
« Reply #438 on: 08 August 2015, 11:12:30 pm »
If I had to venture a guess, I would think that it started with VS agreeing to pay NUM what NUM estimates it costs to do what it does for that many subscribers (although there are no fees, it costs money that I think comes from grants and donations.) Like, as a corporate sponsorship donation. And then somewhere along the line something got twisted and whomever wrote that email thinks that they're paying fees that the escorts would be paying.

If that's the case, then I think VS could have done something effective, helpful, AND good for their public image by saying that they're going to donate X amount for every advertiser and that they've set up an easy way for each advertiser to be enrolled in the NUM alerts.


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« Reply #439 on: 08 August 2015, 11:57:39 pm »
I've no doubt that's what's happened, but what they're doing (making regular donations, just as many other people and organisations do without feeling the need to make it part of their publicity machine) is not the same as what this email drop is not only implying, but actually saying ('paying membership fees', when there are no membership fees). It's sharp practice at best, and a cynical, misleading and downright disingenuous cunt's trick at worst.

The inference is that people paying the handsome advertising rates to be listed on their site who then register for Ugly Mugs are going to get something that others registered are not, the aim being to polish their image and get even more money out of us. They could have made a simple statement about being proud to support National Ugly Mugs (which is indeed run entirely on grants and donations) and put a banner link up - this is not just disgraceful, it's embarrassing.

Better still, they could have donated money because they want to help a good cause, and then just shut the fuck up about it like most of the people who have put their time, effort and money into the scheme over the last five years manage to.

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« Reply #440 on: 09 August 2015, 01:10:22 am »
To be honest I thought this was very unreal vivastreet implying they pay ugly mugs for each escort who advertises with them.  Since when? what contract do viva street have with ugly mugs?. If I know then might be able to understand where viva are coming from. Viva talk like we should be grateful when really viva should be grateful we advertise with them paying our hard earned money for years.  I do hope viva gives a good explanation for this?.

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« Reply #441 on: 09 August 2015, 08:49:16 am »
I have been gobsmacked, but not completely surprised.

VS have however come on here claiming to be our friends, whilst improving their service and getting a lot of free promotion for themselves although to be fair they have taken quite a bit of criticism.

Whilst their classified site works for a lot of their customers, I have had continued issues with something that really is a basic requirement. Yes I have had one or two isolated very good bookings from them, but for me it's not worth it especially when they can't get something fairly essential correct and I know it doesn't only affect me and isn't restricted to the Escorts section(it's across their whole site). I also get the feeling at times that VS think they are doing us a favour. We are the customers who pay for what is a comparably expensive service. When I update on AW the updates are instant and their database and options are as accurate as you can get.

So it's great for a bunch of you who happen to be in a certain area for whom it does work, but those who don't fit their software (which has huge errors in it) are just told to shove off. ::)

I don't know what's going on here but it feels as if VS are milking their donation. The email they sent out has made it look as if NUM is a chargeable service, when in actual fact it's a free to all service.

It could make some service providers think that they are getting something additional with their ads, when that isn't the case.




« Last Edit: 09 August 2015, 03:38:37 pm by Mirror »

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Re: New Vivastreet posting rules (UK) and online focus group
« Reply #442 on: 10 August 2015, 09:27:03 am »
Hi all,
I?ve read the posts here and wanted to try and clarify something for you all.

Vivastreet contacting us a while ago to see how they can help us with funding and help us raise awareness. They are donating to NUM every month on behalf of sex workers advertising with them. As most of you know, NUM is a free service but it's one that is constantly facing the threat of closure due to lack of funding. It will always be a free service for sex workers but for a while we've been trying to encourage those sex workers that can afford to make small contributions as well as organisations and advertising sites to help us out. Just a few have.

This is an essential lifeline for us as a charity to continue to exist but to also meet the increasing demand. Every text alert we send out costs us money.

Possibly the email should have said ?donation? rather than ?fee? but semantics aside, we are grateful that they are working with us to reach more sex workers and making donations on behalf of people advertising on their site. They have also fund raised silent auctions and blog posts and links to us. They have been working with us for over a year and the fact that they're making a contribution for every sex worker registered with them is a big step. I only wish that more escort advertising sites agreed to do the same with the money you pay them for adverts.

NUM has been extremely successful but to keep growing to meet the demands for our services and send the alerts we need to raise money and this is a huge help..

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Re: New Vivastreet posting rules (UK) and online focus group
« Reply #443 on: 10 August 2015, 10:00:23 am »
With respect Alex, they have no way of knowing how many of the sex workers registered on Vivastreet use Ugly Mugs or vice versa, assuming that they don't have access to the NUM database. The claims made and language used in this email were outrageous, misleading, completely inappropriate and clearly written for no reason other than to bang on about how great they are; most people here would just be happy if they got their very expensive ads right. Who exactly do they thinlk this 'donation' money comes from?

I'm also fairly sure it wasn't them who spent a significant chunk of their Sunday explaining to worried people that a/ Vivastreet have not 'bought' National Ugly Mugs, b/ National ugly Mugs are not introducing a membership fee and c/ Nobody is obliged to advertise on Vivastreet to use NUM (and thank God for that).

I'm sure they didn't mean any harm, but this sort of completely ill-judged idiocy isn't doing NUM any more favours than it is them. And I'll still be making that complaint as soon as I get to a laptop.

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Re: New Vivastreet posting rules (UK) and online focus group
« Reply #444 on: 10 August 2015, 10:36:52 am »
Oh the silent auction when does that actually finish? I sent off an email to  enter and received zero acknowledgement only a vacation reply, even though VS were actively posting on here.

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Re: New Vivastreet posting rules (UK) and online focus group
« Reply #445 on: 10 August 2015, 12:57:40 pm »
So it's a legit relationship.
But VS got some chimp to write the mailout? :-\
It sounds completely dishonest.
I'm not incline to trust or advertise with VS now.

I agree with Amy unless they have UM database
there is no way they can do what they suggest.
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Re: New Vivastreet posting rules (UK) and online focus group
« Reply #446 on: 10 August 2015, 02:08:25 pm »
Hi everybody, sorry for causing this confusion with the email. 

It should have said ?donation? and not ?fee?. Hands up, our fault. It totally shouldn?t have said that.

This will be corrected in the next version of the email. 

Just to respond to a couple of points here and hopefully address some of the questions;

We?re offering to make a donation for every single advertiser on the site. This is opt in. It will work like this:

We will send an email to current advertisers once a month, asking them to register for National Ugly Mugs. NUM get sent this list of people who are happy for us to cover their donations, this will be de-duped against the existing NUM list. No nefarious exchange of anyone?s personal data is happening. Honest!

We will be offering to pay a donation to NUM for every person that has a live ad on the site. Currently this is over 4,000 people. It is opt in, so if you do not want us to make a donation on your behalf, there is no obligation.

We?re just trying to work out a way to give NUM a regular, monthly ?lifeline? as Alex put it, to make sure they can keep up their essential work.  

Again, apologies for using the word ?fee? rather than ?donation? and the confusion this caused. This will not happen again. 

Thank you,

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Re: New Vivastreet posting rules (UK) and online focus group
« Reply #447 on: 10 August 2015, 02:11:32 pm »
Oh the silent auction when does that actually finish? I sent off an email to  enter and received zero acknowledgement only a vacation reply, even though VS were actively posting on here.

Hi Mirror,

Thank you for taking part in the auction, the end date is the 31st August and we will aim to let winners know within a few days.

We did send an email to all people who took part and I can forward on if you PM or email me at es@vivastreet.com with your details.

Thank you,

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« Reply #448 on: 10 August 2015, 05:04:21 pm »
I see but still if vs are going to donate any way free of charge for escorts. Why do escorts need to opt in?. When we already have with UM. If I want to donate will. Thought so soon to do as a one off but nothing to boast about.  Vs get my money enough as it is. They want more from us.

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Re: New Vivastreet posting rules (UK) and online focus group
« Reply #449 on: 10 August 2015, 05:15:27 pm »
I see but still if vs are going to donate any way free of charge for escorts. Why do escorts need to opt in?. When we already have with UM. If I want to donate will. Thought so soon to do as a one off but nothing to boast about.  Vs get my money enough as it is. They want more from us.

I think what they are saying is that for every person advertising with VS they'll make a donation of a certain undisclosed amount.

Because they can't get a few things accurate for my ad I'm not currently interested in continuing, and will be withdrawing from the silent auction - a high placement flashy ad is not going remove the issues.

I've donated to NUM in a way that is much more useful for both them and myself, and I've a good idea it's a lot more than VS would chuck their way for me continuing to advertise with them. Win win.