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Adverts => Spamming in the Lion's Den => Topic started by: Hushmate on 10 July 2015, 11:26:31 am
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We have recently started a new website at http://hushmate.com.
The site is simply a marketplace for adult service providers and service seekers. Its all free to use and the idea is to make the online experience of advertising/finding clear and easy as well as modern and enticing.
We don't have many girls yet so outreaching here for more escorts to sign up. We do not allow BAREBACK and endeavour in creating a marketplace which is safe and responsible.
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Are you part of the agency that seems to be most of your ads on there?
Also, do you not have a rates option for individuals advertising? As the only pages showing rates are the 'agencies' that constitute most of your ads.
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Hi there Midsstudent and thanks for your interest. No we are not part of an agency - we are independent web developers. Being completely transparent and honest - we did pitch our site to massage parlors to begin with as one massage parlor = many girls. However, there are also many independent escorts and masseuses on the site but I appreciate at present the 'agency' types are dominating. Now you have asked the question I shall be adding a filter so service seekers can filter out independent and agencies.
The idea is for service seekers to be searching for girls, regardless of whether they are part of an agency or independent.
We certainly do have rate options for individuals. For example (on their escort section):
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Furthermore, as we are web developers - if there is anything you feel we should have but currently don't, if it makes sense we can make it.
We will be adding a lot more features over time such as webcam chat and private videos that punters can buy but first we want to get a public reaction to see if it would be worth it because if we are to do videos and webcam chat then we would want to do it properly and not ropey like some others on the Internet.
Hope this answers your questions.
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if there is anything you feel we should have but currently don't, if it makes sense we can make it.
A site that works on phones would be good. All I get on my BlackBerry is a frozen screen with a Forgot Your Password? error message.
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Hi Amy,
Yes the dream is to make it work on all platforms. Currently we only support the latest iPhone, Android and Windows phones. I will look into making it work for Blackberrys also. Can I ask which Blackberry you have?
Appreciate the suggestion very much.
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I have a Bold 9900, a Bold 9700 and a Curve 9300. I haven't tried it on my other phones.
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Many sites forget about Blackberry, but for me they are the best option for work.
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Hmm, I use a site called [removed again - STOP posting links, please] to ensure a website works on a certain device through emulation and I cannot believe it but Blackberrys are not even on there.
I will physically acquire the latest model and see what I can do.
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Well I've created a profile on there. It was pretty straight forward and easy to do.Lets hope you get some decent traffic on there.
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The only thing is that when I do a search for my advert it doesn't seem to be showing I'm in Leeds it just says Bibi with no location next to it?So maybe a few things to still be tweaked on the site.
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Sorry for posting links. Won't do it anymore. Geniune mistake, not just being an idiot.
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Hey Bibi, thanks for joining! Traffic is a bit slow at the moment as we are new but we have launched marketing campaigns which should start kicking in towards the end of next month. The idea is to get to page one on Google with pay-per-click advertising also. I expect the traffic to be immense in the coming months - question is can I afford to keep the advertising going (just a joke, it is a big expense but its been budgeted for).
Good to hear you found it easy, but sorry to hear you had trouble with the location setting. I have fixed it now.
There is still much to be tweaking to be done and hopefully that will be journey we will make with our users.
Thanks again for joining, a dedicated leeds escorts page will be created for you to hopefully maximise exposure.
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There's no option for my ethnicity :( South Asian doesn't just mean Indian! Usually it's Asian Indian, Asian Pakistani, Asian Bangladeshi or Asian Other (I'm always other lol). Also I would suggest using the term 'East Asian' instead of 'Oriental'.
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Apologies, duly noted - will change for you. Will do this later this evening.
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Well I've created a profile on there. It was pretty straight forward and easy to do.Lets hope you get some decent traffic on there.
Did you not post your rates or am I missing something? No individual girls seems to have rates up...?
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Well I've created a profile on there. It was pretty straight forward and easy to do.Lets hope you get some decent traffic on there.
Did you not post your rates or am I missing something? No individual girls seems to have rates up...?
I have my rates up!
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Yes theres a rates section where you put them in where you edit your profile.
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Midsstudent, its on her Escort tab.
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.. we have launched marketing campaigns which should start kicking in towards the end of next month. The idea is to get to page one on Google with pay-per-click advertising also. I expect the traffic to be immense in the coming months - question is can I afford to keep the advertising going (just a joke, it is a big expense but its been budgeted for).
How are you going to use Adwords? ("When promoting adult content, you may not do any of the following: .. promote escort services or other services that may be interpreted as providing sexual acts in exchange for compensation")
In any case, advertising may well be a significant expense, but..
The site is simply a marketplace for adult service providers and service seekers. Its all free to use
.. where's the income going to come from?
We do not allow BAREBACK
How do you intend stopping anyone? At the moment, there seems to be nothing about anyone's services and you can't search for any of them.
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Hi xw5. No not using Adwords, white hat SEO.
Income comes from paid web development, separate from the site. If we can get enough traffic to deem 'worth it' we will introduce web cam streaming which will generate revenue.
While I like to be transparent as possible, I equally do not want to give away our strategy to competitors.
There are services escorts can choose which you can view on the escorts tab of their profiles (not all escorts have filled them in as this was a recent addition), but nothing to search for them yet. In fact the search filtering is due a overhaul. Already from feedback today changes need to be made. All profiles will be human vetted. Any mention of bareback will be picked up.
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Ah, so you're not claiming to be able to stop consenting adults having unprotected sex, you're just not going to let them advertise it on your site, or at least not using the word 'bareback'. Are there other (legal) services you disapprove of and won't be allowing, or or just that one?
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Hey Amy,
Yes correct - just no advertising of it. How could software ever possibly control what people ACTUALLY do? Well there is Terminator :)
Currently bareback is the only service prohibited, and I would also like to create a tight booking system to eliminate time-wasters.
However, if there are services which is frowned upon by a landslide majority of the community then we would look at disallow advertising of such on a case by case basis.
You have any recommendations?
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How on earth will you 'eliminate' time wasters?
It's just occurred to me... are you just planning to try and copy adultwork?
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Midsstudent,
Well, I say eliminate but I mean more minimise. Of course you will never really get rid of time-wasters but I think minimising the impact they can have is the key. I have a few ideas but still designing it. For example, you can choose to only show you phone number to members who have got more than x amount of feedback. Therefore minimising the chance you will get a phone call from a time-waster.
If you want to call it 'just copy' i'm not going to argue. But I cannot deny the similarities and some inspiration does come from them. Anyone set out to do anything in this space would be foolish not to take into account their significant presence in the industry. However i am looking past them and into the future, hoping to innovate the industry through software. We are after all profession web developers as opposed to adult industry experts but we are learning and hoping to learn more from you to give you what you need.
Midsstudent, are you an escort? You don't seem very impressed with us, is there something we can do to change that?
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Midsstudent, are you an escort? You don't seem very impressed with us, is there something we can do to change that?
Anyone who isn't an advertiser who posts in this forum is a sex worker!
However, if there are services which is frowned upon by a landslide majority of the community then we would look at disallow advertising of such on a case by case basis.
I'd also agree with Daisy that it's not a good idea to try and weed out more niche services. It wouldn't benefit you in any way and would just mean that people will look elsewhere. What's your reasoning behind not allowing advertising of such services? There'll always be demand for it, so as a directory it doesn't make sense for you to not advertise for it!
Sure, I think bareback services are dangerous, and I don't see the appeal of things like hardsports but there's a market out there for them, so why try to control advertising of it on your website?
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I am quite honestly a little surprised that our decision is not favoured. I thought this is what most escorts would want?
Bareback is the only service we constrain and its because this activity could affect the community as a whole and not just the parties involved if disease were to spread. I would have thought most escorts would prefer their client to be 'clean' even with protection.
Would love to hear everyone's opinion on this and whether or not we should allow it as a service?
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I see review sections on your site.
I am not keen on review sites.
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I am quite honestly a little surprised that our decision is not favoured. I thought this is what most escorts would want?
Bareback is the only service we constrain and its because this activity could affect the community as a whole and not just the parties involved if disease were to spread. I would have thought most escorts would prefer their client to be 'clean' even with protection.
Would love to hear everyone's opinion on this and whether or not we should allow it as a service?
But why do you say you'd also favour disallowing other services that are not wanted by the majority? Also not to put you down, but what makes you think you not allowing bareback advertising would have any affect at all on the community of punters and sex workers? Either people will advertise elsewhere, or people will not advertise on your site but still provide it. Also there's no saying what sexual practices punters and sex workers do in their private life!
Like you and Amy said, you can't control what people are doing, so why do you think your advertising terms will have any impact on the number of STIs going around?
Besides this, some positive feedback for you - I like the web design, I think it looks nice and is easy to use. I also like that you can follow members - does this mean you have a newsfeed?
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I am quite honestly a little surprised that our decision is not favoured. I thought this is what most escorts would want?
Bareback is the only service we constrain and its because this activity could affect the community as a whole and not just the parties involved if disease were to spread. I would have thought most escorts would prefer their client to be 'clean' even with protection.
What people are trying to explain is that it's not your place to sit in judgement of grown adults and the services they choose to offer or partake of - why would you think that prossies would want you to tell them which of their services they can and can't advertise? You're a directory site, not the sex police.
Few (if any) of us are daft enough to believe that punters never have unprotected sex with anybody ever, and we decide on the level of risk we're prepared to take accordingly. If you don't want unprotected penetration mentioned (and I take it you're OK with unprotected oral?) or anything else - explicit/porno pics, for example - on your site that is entirely up to you. It's your site and different places have different rules, but why shouldn't people offering or looking for X service be able to find and contact each other easily?
What is not your remit is attempting to meddle in our business by making crass assumptions about how we, our punters and our industry think, feel and behave; you stick to what you know, and we'll do likewise. In other words, provide the ad spaces you're promoting here and let us get on with the rest - if we want your views on what sort of sex we should have, we'll ask.
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So... you're going to be paying someone other than Google to get ads, you'll be spending time/money looking at everything everyone writes. Hope you've got a small pile of money you don't want.
As ever with directories, the advice is give up now. Yes, existing directories have their faults and don't do anything particularly difficult technically, but the successful ones are 'good enough' and have the user base you will never have. Have a look at all the people here who have thought they could do better than AW et all, realise where they are now, and give up.
In your case, you could probably do some nice sites for people - concentrate on that, or go straight to being a webcam site. You'll have other problems, but fewer of them.
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Right I get the picture now. I see why there is offence taken. Well I am sincerely sorry about that and I assure you we don't intend on meddling with people's business but as developers gathering requirements is a habit and we were asked by an escort in conversation to not allow this and we assumed thats what all escorts wanted. We should have done more research in hindsight.
We are simply trying to make something that you'd like to use. In one of my opening posts I did say we'd be happy to change things to suit the community. I'm hoping it is not us that drives the decisions but you. After all we want you to use it.
xw5 - thanks for the advice, particularly going straight to webcam - that has been considered. But I don't think its the right attitude to accept defeat to a bigger more dominating entity without even trying. Without competition none of the sites will get any better. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
Lucie268 thanks for the positive feedback, much appreciated.
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My usual example is eBay. It's dominant in certain sectors but even though it's not hard to have a better auction site, there is no point in throwing money away to try and beat it because what it does have can't be bought cheaply.
Unless and until one of the big directories stops being 'good enough', any new one is throwing its time and money away. Especially if it's not going to directly generate cash.
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We are simply trying to make something that you'd like to use. In one of my opening posts I did say we'd be happy to change things to suit the community. I'm hoping it is not us that drives the decisions but you. After all we want you to use it.
xw5 - thanks for the advice, particularly going straight to webcam - that has been considered. But I don't think its the right attitude to accept defeat to a bigger more dominating entity without even trying. Without competition none of the sites will get any better. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
Ian's advice is spot on, of course, but if you're going to keep working on it anyway, I think what your saying is bloody brilliant. I'd love a nicer looking, easier to use AW. There's enough grumbles about the way that site works to make me think few, if any, of us think it couldn't be improved.
IU have serious doubts you'll be successful, but if you are and you keep the same helpful attitude (which is probably even less likely,) then surely that can only be a good thing.
I'll create a profile, to show my support of the theory behind it if nothing else.
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All monopolistic influence and power ends eventually. You really need to make yourself stand out from the rest and the best. What will exactly differentiate you from other similar sites that have come on here ? What is going to grab not only our attention, but punters attention too, to make us want to go there? Punters need to be enticed..........if you can grab punters with something original and unique and user friendly then you will be laughing all the way to the bank. I tell you one thing that the AW doesnt have........thats good customer service and a help desk phone line. If a site could rival aw and provide 5* customer service that would be heaven to providers.
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Cece thanks for the support, look forward to seeing you on there. If there is anything you think needs changing or if you have suggestions I'd love to hear them.
Sugar, I agree with everything you say. Particularly your opening sentence, I mean before Facebook there was MySpace. 5* customer service is what we would strive to achieve but realistically we cannot provide help desk support yet simply because we aren't that far along yet. When established there will definitely be a phone number to call to get help (and the person on the other end WILL be friendly and helpful). For now there is a contact form, which will be responded to ASAP.
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MySpace,* for reasons that should have been obvious to everyone who used it, stopped being 'good enough' so people switched to another site. It is likely that people will abandon the evil that is Facebook at some point, but I am not investing a pile of money in creating an alternative. Google's ability to waste billions in trying to do so is down to producing good search results quickly at the moment that the previous leader jumped the shark and tried to 'go portal', otherwise the people would say 'just AltaVista it'.
In this context, being a bit prettier than AW is not enough and you'll need very deep pockets to last until you can have a hope of getting what they have: numbers. Even if AW do commit suicide, you still need to hope that it's your directory, rather than one of the hundred or so others, that accidentally gets lucky.
* .. and Friends Reunited and...
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Midsstudent,
Well, I say eliminate but I mean more minimise. Of course you will never really get rid of time-wasters but I think minimising the impact they can have is the key. I have a few ideas but still designing it. For example, you can choose to only show you phone number to members who have got more than x amount of feedback. Therefore minimising the chance you will get a phone call from a time-waster.
If you want to call it 'just copy' i'm not going to argue. But I cannot deny the similarities and some inspiration does come from them. Anyone set out to do anything in this space would be foolish not to take into account their significant presence in the industry. However i am looking past them and into the future, hoping to innovate the industry through software. We are after all profession web developers as opposed to adult industry experts but we are learning and hoping to learn more from you to give you what you need.
Midsstudent, are you an escort? You don't seem very impressed with us, is there something we can do to change that?
So new members or even clients booking for a one off won't be able to call an escort? It just means they won't end up using your website, they will go get the girls number off AW instead.
If you read the posts in the AW section of this forum you will find the majority of us don't use the AW booking form (I do, but I am one of the few) and pretty much always take their bookings by phone, meaning no feedback exchanged. And if you read the punter forums you will find a lot of punters who don't like using online bookings either.
I am an escort and so far I'm not impressed because you are basically a baby adultwork. Show me some original thought and I might be impressed.
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Currently bareback is the only service prohibited
For me (as an escort who does not offer bareback, and who does not want to be approached by clients looking for unprotected sex) it is a terrible idea not to offer bareback as an option on your site. As you have already admitted some service seekers will still look for it, and some service providers will still offer it regardless of your attempts at censorship!
By not offering a bareback option all you will achieve is to ensure that girls like me (who don't offer it) will be endlessly hassled by guys who are seeking this service. Because clients on your site will have no way of differentiating between the girls that DON'T want to do it, and the girls that DO do it but aren't allowed to be seen to be offering it, it means we will all be subject to constant begging requests for bareback. Why not just offer it as an option so that the people that like it can identify and find each other, and those that don't can be left free of millions of "but do you REALLY do bareback" type messages?
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Currently bareback is the only service prohibited
For me (as an escort who does not offer bareback, and who does not want to be approached by clients looking for unprotected sex) it is a terrible idea not to offer bareback as an option on your site. As you have already admitted some service seekers will still look for it, and some service providers will still offer it regardless of your attempts at censorship!
By not offering a bareback option all you will achieve is to ensure that girls like me (who don't offer it) will be endlessly hassled by guys who are seeking this service. Because clients on your site will have no way of differentiating between the girls that DON'T want to do it, and the girls that DO do it but aren't allowed to be seen to be offering it, it means we will all be subject to constant begging requests for bareback. Why not just offer it as an option so that the people that like it can identify and find each other, and those that don't can be left free of millions of "but do you REALLY do bareback" type messages?
Deeeeeefinitely. I mean, all of us who don't offer bareback get asked if we do enough already. It's also been discussed before that some escorts and clients want to see who offers bareback so they can avoid them.
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OK, I'm very surprised. I just Googled "Chester Escorts" and guess who was in 6th position on the 1st page? :o Yup, these guys! As I've already posted a reply in this thread it caught my attention. I am logged into my Google account, but I've never actually seen the site. Pretty sure I've never even typed it's name anywhere. Is it just a clever trick that won't last more than a day or so? From what I've read in this thread it doesn't sound like the site is even fully functional yet.
It may sound like I'm trying to promote them, but I swear I've got no links to them whatsoever. I'm just curious as to whether they may be on to something after all, or if I'm just really tired and not thinking straight?
Best of luck anyway, and I will be creating that profile for definite now!
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Given that they don't actually have anyone near Chester from what I can see, it will doubtless go when their ad budget does. But if it works for you, yippee.
For the banning people saying 'bareback', if the site did do it and won the lottery and became successful, people would just call it something else.
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I am an escort and so far I'm not impressed because you are basically a baby adultwork. Show me some original thought and I might be impressed.
Fair enough. Hopefully you will think we have some original thoughts over time.
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So new members or even clients booking for a one off won't be able to call an escort? It just means they won't end up using your website, they will go get the girls number off AW instead.
Its up to you what you do with your profile. You can set it so that everyone can see your number or you can set it so its members only, or members with x amount of ratings. So its entirely up to you.
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For me (as an escort who does not offer bareback, and who does not want to be approached by clients looking for unprotected sex) it is a terrible idea not to offer bareback as an option on your site. As you have already admitted some service seekers will still look for it, and some service providers will still offer it regardless of your attempts at censorship!
By not offering a bareback option all you will achieve is to ensure that girls like me (who don't offer it) will be endlessly hassled by guys who are seeking this service. Because clients on your site will have no way of differentiating between the girls that DON'T want to do it, and the girls that DO do it but aren't allowed to be seen to be offering it, it means we will all be subject to constant begging requests for bareback. Why not just offer it as an option so that the people that like it can identify and find each other, and those that don't can be left free of millions of "but do you REALLY do bareback" type messages?
Hadley, thanks so much for the constructive criticism. Your point is crystal clear, and echoes what the other escorts have been saying. We shall not be disallowing the service.
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you'll need very deep pockets
You seem very knowledgeable about this kind of thing. What kind of money are you thinking we will need? 000s? 10s of 1000s? Or you thinking more in the millions? Just want to cross reference what you think with our budget.
Thanks
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OK, I'm very surprised. I just Googled "Chester Escorts" and guess who was in 6th position on the 1st page? :o Yup, these guys! As I've already posted a reply in this thread it caught my attention. I am logged into my Google account, but I've never actually seen the site. Pretty sure I've never even typed it's name anywhere. Is it just a clever trick that won't last more than a day or so? From what I've read in this thread it doesn't sound like the site is even fully functional yet.
It may sound like I'm trying to promote them, but I swear I've got no links to them whatsoever. I'm just curious as to whether they may be on to something after all, or if I'm just really tired and not thinking straight?
Best of luck anyway, and I will be creating that profile for definite now!
Ha, thanks for the unbiased post. But that is not us. We are hushmate.com and that is hushescorts. We only started marketing 3 weeks ago and won't have a decent ranking yet - very busy at the moment optimizing for a decent ranking. We don't have any escorts currently in Chester but when we do get one we'll create a dedicated 'Chester Escorts' page for those escorts.
I picked up on one thing you said which intrigues me. You said we may be onto something because you thought we were on page one of Google. Would you consider us some-what successful and more likely to use us if we are on page one of Google when say you do a search for "Chester Escorts" or "Nottingham Escorts"? Is that the success factor for you guys?
I appreciate the site is not finished, but our attitude is that a site is NEVER finished. It should constantly evolve and improve. What we have out there is what we think could serve one purpose (advertise and find) and probably represents 10% of our final ideas and where we want to go with it. To be honest what we have at the moment is really for us to wrestle a ranking in Google and once we have that we will look for more ways to increase exposure and earnings in a way controlled by yourselves. This is the very reason why I ask for thought and input because I simply take what you say and go and make it. This is also why it is free - our thinking is that it won't harm you having some free advertising, if it works great, if it doesn't it didn't cost anything.
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The site looks ok and it's promising that they're responding to feedback. I added a profile and gave you a shoutout on twitter. Maybe change "sex" to "gender" or just have separate tabs under filter for male, female and transgender. Also seems to be a bug when I click on "female" all the women's profiles come up, but when I click from there to TS, all the women's profiles stay on the screen. Searching for "London" also just seems to list all the profiles from all locations. Maybe have some location list they can select from as well as the postcode thing. Clients won't always know the postcode of the location they're looking for. Can you please make my website link clickable?
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Yes. You get to the top of the first page of Google and I'll consider you worth my time.
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Ha, thanks for the unbiased post.
Er, none of the posts here are 'biased'? The members here are not representing other directory sites so it's not clear what you mean - if you're saying that any post which criticises something about your site is doing so because the poster is 'biased' (rather than because they think something is wrong with the site and could be improved) then that's beyond ridiculous.
Yes, if your site says 'sex' when it should say 'gender', it needs to be changed. If you hadn't thought that punters in Chester, Nottingham or wherever would being searching Google for 'chester escorts', or 'nottingham escorts' and so on I'd be fascinated to know what you thought they would be searching for instead? Nobody is going to bother looking seriously at a prossie ad unless they've established that they can actually get to see them and for that, they need to know where we are.
I still can't see the site because it doesn't work on my phone, but the tiny bit that does come up has the misspelt word 'discrete' instead of 'discreet' (in the context it could technically be correct, in that the advertisers are separate from each other, but I don't think that's what you meant).
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The site looks ok and it's promising that they're responding to feedback. I added a profile and gave you a shoutout on twitter. Maybe change "sex" to "gender" or just have separate tabs under filter for male, female and transgender. Also seems to be a bug when I click on "female" all the women's profiles come up, but when I click from there to TS, all the women's profiles stay on the screen. Searching for "London" also just seems to list all the profiles from all locations. Maybe have some location list they can select from as well as the postcode thing. Clients won't always know the postcode of the location they're looking for. Can you please make my website link clickable?
Thank you for positive feedback. Will do all that you suggested and asked for. Super big thank you for reporting a bug - will get it fixed.
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Yes. You get to the top of the first page of Google and I'll consider you worth my time.
Makes perfect sense. If I don't get to top of Google its not worth my time either.
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HM, when you're replying to individual people and want to quote them, you can use the 'Insert Quote' button on the right hand side of each one to add the bit you're talking about to the post you're writing. You don't have to make five separate posts for every reply.
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Er, none of the posts here are 'biased'? The members here are not representing other directory sites so it's not clear what you mean - if you're saying that any post which criticises something about your site is doing so because the poster is 'biased' (rather than because they think something is wrong with the site and could be improved) then that's beyond ridiculous.
Amy, I am referring to the bit where the original poster said she has no links with us. Not saying that anyone is biased, but rather that she is not biased towards us. I don't think for a second that you guys work for other directories, and I value the criticism very much. From the criticism I have had on here I have many changes I need to make which is a big win.
If you hadn't thought that punters in Chester, Nottingham or wherever would being searching Google for 'chester escorts', or 'nottingham escorts' and so on I'd be fascinated to know what you thought they would be searching for instead? Nobody is going to bother looking seriously at a prossie ad unless they've established that they can actually get to see them and for that, they need to know where we are.
This is totally inline with our thinking and strategy. Phrases like this is exactly what we are optimizing for. I am just trying to understand what you guys consider a success factor.
I still can't see the site because it doesn't work on my phone, but the tiny bit that does come up has the misspelt word 'discrete' instead of 'discreet' (in the context it could technically be correct, in that the advertisers are separate from each other, but I don't think that's what you meant).
Thank you for pointing out the spelling mistake - will be putting that right.
Now please don't destroy me for what I'm about to say but... we are considering whether or not to support Blackberrys. I know I said I would, but after some research we are not sure the effort is worth the reward as the market share of Blackberry users is so little.
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Whether or not you support BlackBerry is your business entirely! It doesn't matter to me, because at the end of the day it isn't me who needs to be able to search, navigate and read your site - it's punters.
A lot of my clients turn up with a BlackBerry in London especially, but plenty also use Android and suchlike. I just thought it was odd that it wouldn't work at all when virtually all other sites do including mine (which I made in WordPress as a complete novice). I think the term is 'responsive', but then I'm a prostitute, not a web developer.
As for search engine terms, my best advice is keep it simple. If somebody needs to know your name to find you then you're stuffed, but equally (and as Ian has said) unless you've got the sort of wallet you need an armed guard to carry for you, you're going to struggle to hit the front page for anything like 'London Escorts'.
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I think the term is 'responsive'
The term 'responsive' relates to respond to different screen sizes. 'Cross-device' is the term you mean. There is also 'cross-browser' which is to work on all the browsers such as IE, Chrome, Firefox, Safari etc...
Wordpress sites are very good at that kind of thing. Ours is not a WordPress site as we hand write every line of code ourselves. The reason for this is so we are not constrained by WordPress when we wish to do something not done before.
Out of interest can I get a link to your site?
As for search engine terms, my best advice is keep it simple. If somebody needs to know your name to find you then you're stuffed, but equally (and as Ian has said) unless you've got the sort of wallet you need an armed guard to carry for you, you're going to struggle to hit the front page for anything like 'London Escorts'.
SEO is a beast of a topic. Yes you guys are totally right that you need a lot of money to get some keywords. The key is to know which keywords are worth going for, that can be challenged for cheaply with a good chance of hitting the top. Hopefully my SEO strategy will work.
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For me (as an escort who does not offer bareback, and who does not want to be approached by clients looking for unprotected sex) it is a terrible idea not to offer bareback as an option on your site. As you have already admitted some service seekers will still look for it, and some service providers will still offer it regardless of your attempts at censorship!
By not offering a bareback option all you will achieve is to ensure that girls like me (who don't offer it) will be endlessly hassled by guys who are seeking this service. Because clients on your site will have no way of differentiating between the girls that DON'T want to do it, and the girls that DO do it but aren't allowed to be seen to be offering it, it means we will all be subject to constant begging requests for bareback. Why not just offer it as an option so that the people that like it can identify and find each other, and those that don't can be left free of millions of "but do you REALLY do bareback" type messages?
Hadley, thanks so much for the constructive criticism. Your point is crystal clear, and echoes what the other escorts have been saying. We shall not be disallowing the service.
I'm really glad to hear that, and thanks for responding to feedback.
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I've just had a go at signing up and when I put in the first part of my postcode the google map appears with the exact location of my flat show as a little house. I assume because I'm am signed into google.... not really what I'd want tbh.
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I've just had a go at signing up and when I put in the first part of my postcode the google map appears with the exact location of my flat show as a little house. I assume because I'm am signed into google.... not really what I'd want tbh.
Hi and thanks for signing up. You only see that because you are signed in to Google. If someone else is signed in to Google then they will see their location not yours. If someone is not signed into Google then it won't show anything.
No wouldnt dream of a pin point locator.
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What I want to know is, has anyone every been requested to dress up as Wonder woman?? lol
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Il give it ago:)
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What I want to know is, has anyone every been requested to dress up as Wonder woman?? lol
Lol, I'm sure you've been asked worse :P
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Il give it ago:)
Thanks Louise - I have seen your profile. Looks good - hopefully it was easy to sign up. If you have any improvements to suggest we would much appreciate your feedback.
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Hi sign up was easy
You should have a place on there where you can link your twitter feed i know you do put tweets about people via your hush page but you should link our twitters to it eg : @LouDelightful ( as most "buisness women" have alot of followers which means more traffic to your website)
Also when we fill in the profile and there is something which we don't want to answer it should disappear from profile instead of saying eg: ( second language: (Then its blank next to it ). if that makes sense
And link page? so we can put our personal sites or aw ect.
Other than that seems good
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What I want to know is, has anyone every been requested to dress up as Wonder woman?? lol
Lol, I'm sure you've been asked worse :P
A gorilla costume was mentioned but not in this line of work. How about Princess Leah? Surely that's a cult classic sci-fi fetish "uniform"..
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Hi sign up was easy
You should have a place on there where you can link your twitter feed i know you do put tweets about people via your hush page but you should link our twitters to it eg : @LouDelightful ( as most "buisness women" have alot of followers which means more traffic to your website)
Also when we fill in the profile and there is something which we don't want to answer it should disappear from profile instead of saying eg: ( second language: (Then its blank next to it ). if that makes sense
And link page? so we can put our personal sites or aw ect.
Other than that seems good
Hi Louise,
Yes good suggestions. I will be building those suggestions into the site for sure. The changes will not be immediate as our priority at the moment is to get high in Google so that punters can see all the profiles then we'll resume development again to make improvements. Thanks for feedback. Its really encouraging to hear your feedback.
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What I want to know is, has anyone every been requested to dress up as Wonder woman?? lol
Lol, I'm sure you've been asked worse :P
A gorilla costume was mentioned but not in this line of work. How about Princess Leah? Surely that's a cult classic sci-fi fetish "uniform"..
I would add any costume anyone has to offer. In fact, all of the options on the site can be amended. If you feel some options are missing we can add them, whether that be a costume or a hair colour or ethnicity.
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Has anyone got any jobs from this site? I just signed up looks really good
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I was going to post the same thing.
So ladies, any work so far??
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I set up a profile but it doesn't show in any searches on the site despite me filling in all the profile section...
Is there a wait for a profile to be approved?
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Hmm just noticed my photos are all blurry on the site which isn't great.
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I noticed there's a setting you can change to allow only members to see photos. Perhaps that's why they appear blurry if you're not logged in?
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Has anyone got any jobs from this site? I just signed up looks really good
Thanks so much!!
I was going to post the same thing.
So ladies, any work so far??
Thanks!
I can tell you traffic isn't great at the moment. Still working hard climbing Google. We recommend leaving your profile on there with your number showing so that you don't have to actively do anything on the site, and once traffic starts picking up it will be there ready. As previously discussed in the thread, getting to top of Google will be the make or break of this site and any site like it so we are focusing all our attention and money on that. There has been phone enquiries but I am not sure if they led to bookings. I can assure you however that when we rise to page 1 of Google we will then switch our focus to make the site better and more feature rich. Thanks again for visiting our site.
Hmm just noticed my photos are all blurry on the site which isn't great.
Hi Bibi - this is a setting (so that service providers who reveal their identity can choose to hide it from the public if they wish). By default it is on to protected identity. May be it should be off by default and you choose to make it members only? By the way, this is the same as contact details. You need to set it to public if you want everyone to see your number. In the future we will extend privacy settings so that you can choose to show photos and contact details to members based on their feedbacks (hoping that will be a mechanism to help minimise the more blatant timewasters).
I noticed there's a setting you can change to allow only members to see photos. Perhaps that's why they appear blurry if you're not logged in?
Thanks for that Red.
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I set up a profile but it doesn't show in any searches on the site despite me filling in all the profile section...
Is there a wait for a profile to be approved?
Red, I believe you have already contact me via the contact page and we have resolved the issue?
For benefit for others - there is not a wait to be verified although this may change depending on the volume of fraudulent profiles being created.
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I set up a profile but it doesn't show in any searches on the site despite me filling in all the profile section...
Is there a wait for a profile to be approved?
Red, I believe you have already contact me via the contact page and we have resolved the issue?
For benefit for others - there is not a wait to be verified although this may change depending on the volume of fraudulent profiles being created.
Yes, thanks, that was me.
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You know, I've nothing against you or your site, I'm sure it's great....but in my newer days I used to sign up to so many of these directories that I'd see advertising here as start ups. And guess how many jobs I got, out of all of those directories combined, exactly none. So, now, I concentrate my time and efforts on the tried and tested advertising sources that bring money in. (I wonder how many of those directories are actually still even in business? One day when I'm bored I'm going to do that research).
Adultwork just have the monopoly on this market. Don't get me wrong, it's far from perfect, and it's not the be all and end all that some girls focus on it as (for me anyway) - I'd have gone broke a long time ago if I'd concentrated only on AW. But as far as directories go, it's really one of the very few that work, followed by paid ads.
If some of the ladies report back that they are making money from your site, or you climb the google rankings, then maybe I'll reconsider, but it's not for me right now I'm afraid.
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I think they'll just be chuffed as fuck that you bumped their thread back to the top, CG :).
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You know, I've nothing against you or your site, I'm sure it's great....but in my newer days I used to sign up to so many of these directories that I'd see advertising here as start ups. And guess how many jobs I got, out of all of those directories combined, exactly none. So, now, I concentrate my time and efforts on the tried and tested advertising sources that bring money in. (I wonder how many of those directories are actually still even in business? One day when I'm bored I'm going to do that research).
Adultwork just have the monopoly on this market. Don't get me wrong, it's far from perfect, and it's not the be all and end all that some girls focus on it as (for me anyway) - I'd have gone broke a long time ago if I'd concentrated only on AW. But as far as directories go, it's really one of the very few that work, followed by paid ads.
If some of the ladies report back that they are making money from your site, or you climb the google rankings, then maybe I'll reconsider, but it's not for me right now I'm afraid.
Hi, thanks for your post and your comments are much appreciated. Yes what you are saying is quite true - most of these directories seem to eat dust. I think its likely due to not having enough traffic to the site.
One thing that I have noticed is that yourself and many others have mentioned the 'Google' climb. I would just like to highlight that it is a case of 'when' not 'if' we get there. If our thinking is in sync then that is the day we become relevant and if that is also the day you may be interested then great - that means we are on track.
I think I may have posted on here a bit too soon initially and should have done so when we are already high up in Google. To be honest I never expected such a reaction from this forum - but its actually helped us to understand a bit more what about escorts want and what we have done wrong. The experience of posting on here has actually been enlightening and has got us many members.
Once we gain a high Google rank we will then update our site significantly. At that time we will post here again and get another opinion(s).
At present it is just a bit of free advertising and punters are looking at the profiles (we have some adverts on pornhub and youporn targeted at specific cities). But the numbers are nothing compared to the volume of what Google will bring.
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I signed up a while ago, not one job
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I signed up a while ago, not one job
Sorry to hear that, hopefully when we get high in Google you will start to get some calls.
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I am not impressed. I've been promised the, 'Your website will go to the top of google listings' ballocks before and ?500 quid and 3 months later I realised it was worth zilch.
I ain't wasting my time. I earn plenty from my other ads and filling out details for sites that offer no chance of a booking ....well...yawn.
It's not even an attractive site - more like a morgue.
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I am not impressed. I've been promised the, 'Your website will go to the top of google listings' ballocks before and ?500 quid and 3 months later I realised it was worth zilch.
I ain't wasting my time. I earn plenty from my other ads and filling out details for sites that offer no chance of a booking ....well...yawn.
It's not even an attractive site - more like a morgue.
Thanks for your critiscm. We are not promising anything neither do we want any money from you.
Is it too black? You think a lighter background will look better?
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Changed the site design slightly. Anyone like to give some criticism? Punters seem to be reacting positively to it.
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Changed the site design slightly. Anyone like to give some criticism? Punters seem to be reacting positively to it.
Do you have stats on how many clients have used your site to contact escorts in the last few weeks?
I've had a quick look...it looks fine, I mean, nothing is really jumping out as a positive or extreme negative. The only thing I would say is I would put a gap in between the girls profiles when the search results come up as it looks a bit of a mix match at the moment, but that's probably just me being picky. Also, in the search facility you don't seem to be able to search for cities within Scotland? If you get a lot of escorts on board that may be an issue.
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Hi, thanks for looking. No I don't have stats on when they make contact but I do know how many times they view a profile, through Google Analytics. It tells me where the viewer is (country, city) and how they got there and what pages they clicked on.
On the topic of stats when we get worthy traffic I'd like to give similar reports to service providers. Stuff like what area is most searched on etc...
Thanks for feedback will defo expand the cities in Scotland and consider the design on search page.
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OK, sounds good....I was asking if you have stats because one of your competitors sends all the female advertisers a report each month on how many views your profile had, how many clicked to see your number, how many clicked to see your website and something else that I can't remember just at the moment....I was wondering if you might consider doing the same.
You may be starting to win me over. :)
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OK, sounds good....I was asking if you have stats because one of your competitors sends all the female advertisers a report each month on how many views your profile had, how many clicked to see your number, how many clicked to see your website and something else that I can't remember just at the moment....I was wondering if you might consider doing the same.
You may be starting to win me over. :)
Starting to win you over!? Awesome :) And thanks for info/feedback.
Referring to reporting - as a day job I do this kind of thing for the stock market and investment banks down in London so I'd like to use some of those techniques in this industry to give any kind of relevant information which may help escorts/agencies with their business.
I shall be letting you know when we get high in Google and become genuinely useful!