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Adverts => Spamming in the Lion's Den => Topic started by: xtczen on 12 March 2017, 01:14:46 pm
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Would you like to try advertising your services on a new platform that is geared towards developing based on your own direct feedback?
xtczen.com (https://xtczen.com/offerservices?invite) is looking for erotic service providers to help us test our registration and profile creation prior to launch. The website is free to use, and you're in control of your content. You can see sample data live on our site right now
To learn more and receive your registration please join us on our development forum at [multiple link removed]. Anyone who provides erotic of sensual services is free to join.
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Are you going to be adding Birmingham to the website ?
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I'm not sure I understand the concept of your site. For me, it sounds like any directory where sex-workers meet potential customers.
How is your site different?
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Are you going to be adding Birmingham to the website ?
When you update your location in your profile it will automatically update our directory, and show you in Birmingham. No need to wait for us to add a city.
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I'm not sure I understand the concept of your site. For me, it sounds like any directory where sex-workers meet potential customers.
How is your site different?
I will admit that it looks very plain at the moment! Let me share some things that I think differ it currently, and potential things we would love to have in the future depending on the feedback we receive during development.
It's fast. We're using the latest web technologies and practices to build a state of the art web experience. Everything is custom built, and so we will have great flexibility in the features and changes we're able to make in the future. It's not simply a template, or a customized wordpress website. We can take this in any direction that would benefit the people advertising their services on our platform and we intend to listen to their needs and adapt.
We're mobile first. Most people are on the go whether they're a provider or a client. We want to make our site works well first on mobile. Many of the sites I see only really work well on desktop. We want providers/clients to have an amazing mobile experience.
Location based profiles. We use GPS based searches to organize providers in our directory. Providers have total control in advertising to clients nearby. You can put a full address, or just the city you're in depending on your level of comfort in sharing your location. This is really advantageous for large cities where being in the same city as a client could potentially mean you're on the other side of the city (30-45 minute drives in traffic sometimes just to cross a city!). But we can show the client the distance between you and them in meters. If someone sees they are only 50 meters away from your location within the same city it could potentially put you at the top of someones list.
We've built a really great base that will offer us a lot of flexibility in developing more features. Some things that we're looking to include:
Verification system
Scheduling
Location targeted advertisements
Deep social media integration (updating your location on xtczen can automatically tweet out your new location, or even update the location in your twitter profile automatically if you want). Once place to manage your status, and we can update various platforms.
Photo editing (being able to blur or hide parts/ adding filters)
As I mentioned in the initial post though we'd like to build everything with a lot of feedback, and so we are opening the platform up slowly at this early stage before starting with the more advanced features. If anyone has any further interest or questions please let me know and I'll be happy to share what I can.
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But we can show the client the distance between you and them in meters. If someone sees they are only 50 meters away from your location within the same city it could potentially put you at the top of someones list.
I'm sure you can imagine this would be a nightmare for some of us!
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I'm sure you can imagine this would be a nightmare for some of us!
For some, yes. And that's why we give you total control over your profile. If you want to only select the city you're in that's totally fine too. but some people work at established centers and prefer to have the full address. We intend to always give you total control of the information you provide and share.
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I'm sure you can imagine this would be a nightmare for some of us!
A stalkers paradise? I'm sure I saw a (non Sexwork) film about someone being stalked in this way.
Having looked I don't think what the OP is suggesting is any different/better than any other such site we see.
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A stalkers paradise? I'm sure I saw a (non Sexwork) film about someone being stalked in this way.
Having looked I don't think what the OP is suggesting is any different/better than any other such site we see.
The privacy features allow you to choose your level of exposure. For some they would not rather share more than a city or region that they service. Others may want to share the direct address of the center they work. You have a very good concern regarding the privacy, and that's why we let you choose. Some don't feel the same way and we cater to their needs as well.
To your second point I understand if you're not convinced that it's "better". A lot of the differences are behind the scenes and will take time to become apparent. I didn't advertise a finished better product in the OP. I asked if anyone was interested in helping us build something better with their feedback. The service itself is already free. We're working closely with providers right now to build it better, and hopefully through that effort we'll have something that changes your opinion.
Great things take time, and with the help of others we'll build something great.
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The privacy features allow you to choose your level of exposure. For some they would not rather share more than a city or region that they service. Others may want to share the direct address of the center they work. You have a very good concern regarding the privacy, and that's why we let you choose. Some don't feel the same way and we cater to their needs as well.
My problem with this is, some ladies who rent short let apartments and don't care about discretion, will add the full address! Then it brings problems for ladies like myself who are extremely discreet, when I rent the same apartment.
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My problem with this is, some ladies who rent short let apartments and don't care about discretion, will add the full address! Then it brings problems for ladies like myself who are extremely discreet, when I rent the same apartment.
This is perfect, and exactly what I was hoping for. Some real honest feedback. That's a very valid concern. My question first is how do other sites prevent the same thing from happening? It doesn't seem like it would be an issue unique to us, and I have seen many profiles with full addresses. Do you simply avoid using websites that allow providers to show the full address?
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I have seen many profiles with full addresses. Do you simply avoid using websites that allow providers to show the full address?
Where? In fifteen years of working and nine of them advertising online I don't think I have ever once seen an independent advertising their full address, and I'd be surprised to hear of any site that contains 'many' of these ads. Hotels occasionally yes. Addresses, no.
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This is perfect, and exactly what I was hoping for. Some real honest feedback. That's a very valid concern. My question first is how do other sites prevent the same thing from happening? It doesn't seem like it would be an issue unique to us, and I have seen many profiles with full addresses. Do you simply avoid using websites that allow providers to show the full address?
No, I don't avoid using those sites. Thankfully it doesn't happen too often.
When asked in a previous comment what makes your site different, one point you made was location based profiles.
As you have just said yourself, it's not unique to your site and I don't think it should be promoted as such or at all.
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Where? In fifteen years of working and nine of them advertising online I don't think I have ever once seen an independent advertising their full address, and I'd be surprised to hear of any site that contains 'many' of these ads. Hotels occasionally yes. Addresses, no.
I have seen a few over the years, not many thankfully.
On E-I and AW
E-I took them down when they were made aware of it.
On AW it was when browsing and saw it in their descriptions. Couldn't link as havent a clue what the profiles were.
Apartment block names and street names, not apartment number.
In saying that, obviously I don't know if they were true independents or not.
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Where? In fifteen years of working and nine of them advertising online I don't think I have ever once seen an independent advertising their full address, and I'd be surprised to hear of any site that contains 'many' of these ads. Hotels occasionally yes. Addresses, no.
Well I'm not going to cast an internet spotlight on any specific sites or individuals. I will say that with a few minutes of googling for places in say Australia, that has many openly legal establishments, it isn't uncommon for providers to include that address. I understand that isn't common or welcome across all regions.
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No, I don't avoid using those sites. Thankfully it doesn't happen too often.
When asked in a previous comment what makes your site different, one point you made was location based profiles.
As you have just said yourself, it's not unique to your site and I don't think it should be promoted as such or at all.
This discussion has really erupted a passion in many people here! My apologies if I have offended anyone. Really, I'm here to learn more about these concerns. Everything I've heard is really helpful. I will say regarding the location based profiles that it is a very different approach to most sites. Even if it doesn't appear that way.
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I have seen a few over the years, not many thankfully.
On E-I and AW
E-I took them down when they were made aware of it.
On AW it was when browsing and saw it in their descriptions. Couldn't link as havent a clue what the profiles were.
Apartment block names and street names, not apartment number.
In saying that, obviously I don't know if they were true independents or not.
I know of an independent who did publish her address on AW, she had had quite a few problems with substances and a violent boyfriend. Although I didn't know her personally, it looked like she just might not care - or at wasn't in a very good state of mind.
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I know of an independent who did publish her address on AW, she had had quite a few problems with substances and a violent boyfriend. Although I didn't know her personally, it looked like she just might not care - or at wasn't in a very good state of mind.
So I guess what I'm hearing that being able to post anything more than your city is a big no no for yourself, and also for other people you work with? That's basically the bottom line?
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Well I'm not going to cast an internet spotlight on any specific sites or individuals. I will say that with a few minutes of googling for places in say Australia, that has many openly legal establishments, it isn't uncommon for providers to include that address. I understand that isn't common or welcome across all regions.
Even if more than one or two of the people here were in Australia, nobody was talking about establishments. The people you're pitching to on this forum are independent and work from private premises, either alone or with a flatmate. They don't generally operate a drop in system.
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So I guess what I'm hearing that being able to post anything more than your city is a big no no for yourself, and also for other people you work with? That's basically the bottom line?
You can drill down a bit more specifically than the whole city, but I wouldn't want to get any more definite than a general area, e.g. Sheffield>Hillsborough or London>Chelsea.
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Even if more than one or two of the people here were in Australia, nobody was talking about establishments. The people you're pitching to on this forum are independent and work from private premises, either alone or with a flatmate. They don't generally operate a drop in system.
Well that's fine for me. I see there's some very strong feelings and opinions regarding how to approach presentation of your services. So those are really great differences to learn and understand. I think I'm going to disable listing anything other than showing a nearest major city for now. At least in our automated location service. I'm not sure how I can stop people from including addresses as part of their profile text at the moment, but it's something to consider.
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Where? In fifteen years of working and nine of them advertising online I don't think I have ever once seen an independent advertising their full address, and I'd be surprised to hear of any site that contains 'many' of these ads. Hotels occasionally yes. Addresses, no.
iv only ever seen one and it was a AW profile
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Great things take time, and with the help of others we'll build something great.
Forgive us for being a tad fed up with people like yourself constantly spamming about these issues, who have no clue about our industry or community yet expect us to give FB for free to help you out.
Oh yes and it's alway a superior and innovative site.
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Forgive us for being a tad fed up with people like yourself constantly spamming about these issues, who have no clue about our industry or community yet expect us to give FB for free to help you out.
Oh yes and it's alway a superior and innovative site.
Well first I think it's a bit odd that you've come to "Spamming in the Lions' Den" looking for anything else but spam! All jokes aside I would ask to consider the other side of the equation. As a person who has to use the sites providers advertise on I'm not very happy with many of the available offerings. I can only speak on my experience from the clients side, so I don't have a choice other than to ask for feedback. Let's be clear though. If you're not interested in creating a profile on the platform and telling us about your experience that's totally fine. People are busy or not interested. But you make it sound like I've asked you to change the oil in my car! I don't even want to do that!
I would love it if everyone who had such strong opinions about the service reserved their judgement until after they've tried it.
I've gone ahead and created a special URL for everyone here that will let you sign up. You don't even need to provide an email address.
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If you care to give it a try and then come back and trash it I would relish the opportunity. You can't improve anything without the harshest of criticism. There still needs to be a lot of work done which is why I was hoping to just start with a few people, but I'm opening up the gates here.
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I think I will wait to see if other service providers in Birmingham advertise on there as it looks London based and I really dont like the phone ringing for no reason, hope its a success
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As a person who has to use the sites providers advertise on I'm not very happy with many of the available offerings.
Ah, it'a punter.
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Ah, it'a punter.
Oh gosh, what am I now? I'm learning all kinds of new things today.
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Is it not possible to edit my own posts as an advertiser account? I would like to edit my OP with the open registration link for anyone interested here. Since I cannot post a second link with the registration invitation URL according to the rules.
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Well first I think it's a bit odd that you've come to "Spamming in the Lions' Den" looking for anything else but spam! All jokes aside I would ask to consider the other side of the equation. As a person who has to use the sites providers advertise on I'm not very happy with many of the available offerings. I can only speak on my experience from the clients side, so I don't have a choice other than to ask for feedback. Let's be clear though. If you're not interested in creating a profile on the platform and telling us about your experience that's totally fine. People are busy or not interested. But you make it sound like I've asked you to change the oil in my car! I don't even want to do that!
I would love it if everyone who had such strong opinions about the service reserved their judgement until after they've tried it.
I've gone ahead and created a special URL for everyone here that will let you sign up. You don't even need to provide an email address.
[removed - read the advertising rules]
If you care to give it a try and then come back and trash it I would relish the opportunity. You can't improve anything without the harshest of criticism. There still needs to be a lot of work done which is why I was hoping to just start with a few people, but I'm opening up the gates here.
I'm out. I've been nothing but polite. I simply said you have nothing new to offer
You can't take a polite appraisal of your site because I'm pointing out the above and being honest but critical
You are spamming in the Lions Den after all.
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I'm out. I've been nothing but polite. I simply said you have nothing new to offer
You can't take a polite appraisal of your site because I'm pointing out the above and being honest but critical
You are spamming in the Lions Den after all.
Well I hope I've been polite as well in the face of some very passionate opinions. Many of which provided a lot of great helpful info. Though I don't think it's fair to criticize things that you haven't tried. You can do it. There's no criticism police to stop you. But I'm not sure why you seem surprised in my response. I'm not looking for a polite appraisal. Hell, be as brutal as you can. I said before that I'll take on the harshest critics and use that for improvements. What I asked for was if anyone wanted to actually try it, and then grab your rotten tomatoes and prepare to chuck them at me. I like tomatoes, and I don't think a little mold is going to kill me.
You didn't even try it though.
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Oh gosh, what am I now? I'm learning all kinds of new things today.
You've said that you use these advertising sites yourself, presumably to find prostitutes you then pay to have sex with you. A prostitute's customer is a punter, and now we know that what you're really bothered about is not having a site that you find works for you as a punter (rather than us as prostitutes), your complete ignorance of how we work and why we advertise in particular ways is making a lot more sense.
Is it not possible to edit my own posts as an advertiser account?
No, it isn't. You can email the SAAFE admin address on the main site with the URL if you're that bothered and somebody will edit it in for you when they have time, or post it here and I'll add it without approving your post. When I have time.
Speaking of my time, I've given you more than enough of it for free already and since I've no intention of advertising on a site that can't even grasp location drop downs (and the nearest thing to me that could pass as a 'major city' is almost forty miles away anyway) I'm out. You seem very keen to get lots of free attention from us, and I'm having no part of it.
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I'm glad it will be a custom site and not a buggy put together one such as WP with their little buggy plugins and realms of code you don't need. I'd like to be able to verify my photos but not have to show any ID to advertise. I used to think the clean and easy looking websites would be the ones to draw the crowds, but if you look at AW which is all over the place and stuffed with things and that has been a success. So I now think adult websites need to be full of information. What info though I'm not sure about (right now as I'm off to bed). I do think photo verification is good for punters, but I spoke to a regular last week who went to see someone on AW who was verified but her photos showed her to be three dress sizes smaller than she was. A lot of providers don't like AW because they make you show ID and that puts people like me and many others off. Would like to see how it pans out and will have a little look maybe this weekend.
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You've said that you use these advertising sites yourself, presumably to find prostitutes you then pay to have sex with you. A prostitute's customer is a punter, and now we know that what you're really bothered about is not having a site that you find works for you as a punter (rather than us as prostitutes), your complete ignorance of how we work and why we advertise in particular ways is making a lot more sense.
Getting the feedback and opinions of individuals on this board is the very essence of building a platform for providers. I've already acknowledged changes need to be made and expressed that they will be changed. For the benefit of advertisers. You've ignored a vast majority of what I've said in this thread to construct your own version of my intentions and goals. I have been nothing short of patient and willing to understand the perspectives of people on this forum in the face of needless harsh libel. That's okay though. I'm not sure why I'm being admonished at the same time for both seeking out information to help me improve a service I'm building and also not knowing enough to build everything perfect from the start. According to you I cannot win either way.
No, it isn't. You can email the SAAFE admin address on the main site with the URL if you're that bothered and somebody will edit it in for you when they have time, or post it here and I'll add it without approving your post. When I have time.
I'm posting the link here. Please replace the link in the OP as your time allows you. Thank you. [removed
Speaking of my time, I've given you more than enough of it for free already and since I've no intention of advertising on a site that can't even grasp location drop downs (and the nearest thing to me that could pass as a 'major city' is almost forty miles away anyway) I'm out. You seem very keen to get lots of free attention from us, and I'm having no part of it.
Well I thank you for the time and insights you've provided. I wish the best for you and hope my arrival didn't really cause as much distress as your posts make it seem. Also, you didn't try the service either. I don't know why you're making assumptions about how the service works or its ability to accommodate your situation away from a larger city. In fact it could work very well for your situation.
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I'm glad it will be a custom site and not a buggy put together one such as WP with their little buggy plugins and realms of code you don't need. I'd like to be able to verify my photos but not have to show any ID to advertise. I used to think the clean and easy looking websites would be the ones to draw the crowds, but if you look at AW which is all over the place and stuffed with things and that has been a success. So I now think adult websites need to be full of information. What info though I'm not sure about (right now as I'm off to bed). I do think photo verification is good for punters, but I spoke to a regular last week who went to see someone on AW who was verified but her photos showed her to be three dress sizes smaller than she was. A lot of providers don't like AW because they make you show ID and that puts people like me and many others off. Would like to see how it pans out and will have a little look maybe this weekend.
Those are understandable concerns. I prefer minimalism/efficiency, and the busy websites could be getting a lot more exposure because they have better SEO. It's hard to tell, but there's definitely techniques to getting better internet rankings.
I'm not a huge fan of the photo verification thing. I think there's a lot of problems with that approach. Even photos can be misleading based on angles and lighting but still be a current photo. Personally I'm thinking of using more of a "like" based system in general to distinguish between providers/clients. Because everyone has a subjective view on how to rate individual aspects of an encounter. I prefer to focus on the encounter as a whole. Was the persons profile/advert accurate? Were they on time? Were they clean? Either you liked your encounter with someone (and you can give them a point), or you didn't (no points).
From building these relationships your score will be a great indicator of the experience someone can expect. Either as a provider, or a client. Does that make sense as an alternative to specific ratings for every little details under the sun?
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I'm posting the link here. Please replace the link in the OP as your time allows you. Thank you. [removed
Well I thank you for the time and insights you've provided. I wish the best for you and hope my arrival didn't really cause as much distress as your posts make it seem. Also, you didn't try the service either. I don't know why you're making assumptions about how the service works or its ability to accommodate your situation away from a larger city. In fact it could work very well for your situation.
I've replaced the link in your thread starter with the new one. As for the idea that you have or could cause me or anybody else here 'distress' (and I have no idea where you're seeing it in my post) you've got some very odd ideas about your status here. I'm sure we'd all love to have nothing more pressing to worry about than an anonymous gnat on the internet.
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I've replaced the link in your thread starter with the new one. As for the idea that you have or could cause me or anybody else here 'distress' (and I have no idea where you're seeing it in my post) you've got some very odd ideas about your status here. I'm sure we'd all love to have nothing more pressing to worry about than an anonymous gnat on the internet.
I'm going to be honest you're starting to really hurt my feelings now with some of those words. By the way am I the only one that can't see the new link? I see [multiple link removed].