SAAFE forum
Adverts => Spamming in the Lion's Den => Topic started by: amy on 23 May 2010, 02:52:24 pm
-
I thought Danielle might have posted this while she was on since she added it to PN, but since she hasn't I'm sure she won't mind if I do :).
This site http://www.bestcorts.com/ (http://www.bestcorts.com/) is wholesale cut-and-pasting Adultwork profiles; I found mine on there last night and following a terse email it has now been removed, but there will certainly be others. I've also emailed the folk at Adultwork, and they're not too happy either.
I recommend to everyone who has a look but can't see their profile yet that they try to register - if it says that the email address is already in use then your profile has been copied even if it hasn't yet put in an appearance. I threatened to report them to their hosting company and it seemed to do the job, but either way don't let the thieving twats get away with it.
-
Thank you for letting us know! I just checked and I'm up there, so have sent them a threatening email. Wondered why I was getting calls on my work number when it's not up on AW at the mo... x
-
Mine's on there with old info :S
I actually got two texts from them yesterday advertising themselves...
-
Mine's on there with old info :S
I actually got two texts from them yesterday advertising themselves...
I got one of these! Wankers. Do they think escorts are going to be somehow receptive to EVEN MORE wanky stupid text messages demanding things from us?!
And oh yeah, I think I remember mocking the name "bestcorts" before. I'm not an escort, I'm a BESTcort! Bahahaha.
-
Oops, came on here to post about it when hubby called me and we went off buying garden furniture and I totally forgot. (I actually thought I had posted it duh!!!)
-
I had the texts and also have had my details lifted. As it has the right info on it and my phone number I shall leave it. The profile will date quicky as it says available 18th May!
-
Yup these pricks have put me on there too saying i offer anal and rimming!!! Have sent an arsy email thanks for letting us know. xx
-
Use caution if you approach an agency for work. I didnt and regreted it. All they did was miss-spell my name by one letter ie Cindi rather than Cindy. Put me up a profile on Adultwork using the pics I sent without my consent.
I could have got banned! Found it by accident, always use tineye.com to check where your pics are, seriously.
-
Thanks for the info regarding bestescorts. Seems they have pinched lots of girls' details.
I found mine and immediately sent a stroppy email last night. Got two back from them asking me to confirm which location I was in as they had to know to delete me.
However having checked this morning I don't find my details there anymore.
I sent them back an email this morning saying if they had gone about it in the appropriate way, i.e: asking for us to register instead of taking our details without our consent then they might have been more successful.
Jen x
-
Unfortunately they don't get it and my response on another site has got a little lost in the thread. Basically not all traditional marketting techniques work in the Escorting industry. So newbies like these think they are doing everyone a favour by promoting us for free.
Unfortunately this does more harm than good as the details of our service are very specific and subject to frequent change or variation. Use old photos or rates are different to advertised and there is high risk of a bad report, lost custom, confrontations or accusations of being a fake.
You wouldn't get any of that with say a plumber or electrician's ad.
-
I am on there - they have just copied AW with out of date shifts!
-
This site http://www.bestcorts.com/ (http://www.bestcorts.com/) is wholesale cut-and-pasting Adultwork profiles; I found mine on there last night and following a terse email it has now been removed, but there will certainly be others. I've also emailed the folk at Adultwork, and they're not too happy either.
I recommend to everyone who has a look but can't see their profile yet that they try to register - if it says that the email address is already in use then your profile has been copied even if it hasn't yet put in an appearance. I threatened to report them to their hosting company and it seemed to do the job, but either way don't let the thieving twats get away with it.
*sigh*
After receiving a spammy email from these muppets earlier, I had a quick check and lo and behold they're at it again. I have sent them a copy of my original furious email quoted within another, up to date furious email and will see whether my details have been removed (and they have a slightly different MO this time in that they are not even bothering to cut and paste the profiles but just add links to the AW pages they originally stole to fill their empty pages), but I cannot believe they are at it again after being told on virtually every punting board I can think of they were out of order and this was not the way to win friends and influence people.
Anyway, you know the drill by now folks...
-
They've got mine this time, I sent them an angry email pointing out that my photo is copyrighted, so we'll see how long they fuck me around for ::)
-
Ugh I'm on there too... unfortunately can't email them because they use a font that my mac doesn't recognise :( off to the library I go... xx
-
I am on there too. Angry email enroute.
-
I just got this back:
You appear on our site only as a result of indexed search results which are
freely available on Google.
You do not have a profile on our site.
We simply index information that is in the public domain - so if you
successfully remove yourself from search engine results (our 'other results'
is a search engine) - then you will also disappear from our results.
Hope this clarifies things!
Kind Regards
Webmaster - Bestcorts
I don't know anything about internets, so I don't know how to reply to this. Anyone? The photo on their site definitely isn't in google search results, my name and phone number are. Are they telling the truth or just making shit up?
-
They have permission to copy from adultwork.com? If not they just fuck around and do copy&paste. Sometimes website have a deal with new websites and allowed them put data from their site. But then only if you want to and its mentioned in the rules that you agreed. For example some list of escort have a "sister" site and they copy profiles to the websites.
-
So you lot are the "few choice members of SAAFE" that the boss/webmaster of BE is moaning about on another fourm. ;D
There is a big thread discussing the site but too long for me to read but the first few posts agree with you ladies - that is that BE are taking the pee.
-
Ooo, which forum? I'm feeling nosy :P
-
He was banging on trying to justify himself on a huge thread on TOP when all this crap first kicked off a couple of months back, so I'm guessing it's that.
There is also a thread on PN (http://www.punternet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30729&highlight=bestcorts) from then which was locked, but if the saddo's spitting his dummy out on the forums again I might get in touch with G and see if it's OK to start another one.
-
Right, found it here (http://oldestprof.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=24397&start=390). You do have to join TOP to look, mind. Here is a post which might be helpful:
Re: Bestcorts
Postby bestcorts ? Tuesday, 27 July 2010, 5:26 PM
OK - solved . . . . don't know what went wrong there but it's taken all day to remove them.
So, we have moved to early hours Sunday AM update on profiles . .. so, anyone not listing their number on a Sunday at 3am . . . . they'll loose out for another week!
Leaving aside the old internet chestnut of 'lose' spelt as 'loose' (yawn), this would seem to suggest that all anyone needs to do is remove their phone number on a Saturday evening, and replace on Sunday morning/lunchtime. Will give it a go.
I just got this back:
You appear on our site only as a result of indexed search results which are
freely available on Google.
You do not have a profile on our site.
We simply index information that is in the public domain - so if you
successfully remove yourself from search engine results (our 'other results'
is a search engine) - then you will also disappear from our results.
Hope this clarifies things!
Kind Regards
Webmaster - Bestcorts
I don't know anything about internets, so I don't know how to reply to this. Anyone? The photo on their site definitely isn't in google search results, my name and phone number are. Are they telling the truth or just making shit up?
You were lucky there then; I have received one personally abusive email and probably two, but since I've filtered his email address to my SpamTwats folder I haven't read the one following my reply yet. To have 'people like me' (again, presumably successful, intelligent women who can speak for themselves) advertising on his site would 'damage it's reputation'. Hahahahahaha.
Apparently, my 'attitude' (presumably not being a simpering fuckwit who thinks his naff site is great) and the content of my Adultwork profile is probably scaring off lots of 'fortunate' blokes as we speak. Never have I seen more conclusive proof that it is working perfectly ;D.
EDIT: And I see our mate has joined us! I do hope he doesn't think he's going to tout his site. That would never do ;D.
-
Hi
It is usual in a democratic environment to allow people to give an account for their actions.
WebMaster Here from Bestcorts.
It's always interesting to witness mass psychology - jumping on the bandwagon, whatever you choose to call it.
We have received several email emanating from this forum, and so thought we'd reply to clarify something which seems to be avoiding some people.
Lets say for example that we had a profile on our site of you (any of you). Imagine that you could query our site and find details about you - rates, text defining your activities, etc, multiple images, etc etc . . . . then there would be a case for people being aggrieved.
As it is, we are doing none of this. Bestcorts have designed a search engine, admittedly nothing like the big ones which you all know, but nevertheless equally as effective as any other within this genre.
Your data is in the public domain - no dispute. Go to Bing, yahoo, Google, Alta Vista, Ask, Lycos, etc, etc - did you actually post your data there? Or was it picked up by these search engines? No need to respond as the answer is obvious.
Our site indexes data that is in the public domain, and provides links to them. If those links are dead, taken down, changed, whatever - our engine equally modifies accordingly.
You see, it is a SEARCH ENGINE tool.
So, to be clear, we are not copying, plagiarizing or otherwise stealing profiles from anywhere. Our site provides a one-stop location for Punters to find (hopefully) what they are looking for.
If you happen to check and find yourself on our site results, take it a step further and find that you actually get referred to the relevant site.
We have had threats of 'contacting your host provider', etc etc - because we are in some way immoral.
Well, we own our server cluster in the data centre and manage our own hosting - so the emails will come to me.
If someone makes a reasoned argument for having their data removed, and our four-day update cycle is not fast enough for you, then get in touch and we will happily do what we can to assist. An example of such urgency may be, you have a new guy, and you're aware his mother is researching you online . . . . OMG - we'll do our bit. Having said that, your data will still be available on other search engine results . . . . so it's a real uphill struggle.
Wanted to clarify the position, and happy to take questions (polite of course). However, please note that as you do NOT have a profile on our site, and it is an indexed search engine link . . . we are unlikely to remove the reference.
Hoping that this reaches more moderate minds!
-
Our photographs are not in the public domain, they are intellectual property protected by copyright (http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/copyright_myths) (see #4 on link) and it is up to us where they are used.
Just because something is accessible to the public does not mean that it is public property; this is like saying I could cut and paste Shakespeare into my blog and claim it is fine to use it to promote myself. My Adultwork profile is findable by Google. The photograph of me you have published on your site is not. I have also explained that the number you are displaying is used specifically for Adultwork and I do not use it, or want it used on any other site.
Yet you have the nerve over on TOP to claim that you are 'listening to what people want' and actioning it. Is this just the people who want the same things as you, or are the rest of us eventually going to be included?
-
No, the site is not search engine tool. Search engine links to the site where ad is placed and you made a new profiles for escort. The data from AdultWork.com is copy righted, as well pictrues, telephone numbers, etc. You do not have a right for copying them, cause you don't have any kind of business deal with AW.com. Plus in this thread has been said that a girl change her contact to e-mail only on AW.com but on your website the number was still in the ad, even she never had account there.
-
Are you claiming that your site is merely a search engine that indexes adultwork profiles? And then allows people to search them in a way that's far more limited than if they just went adultwork?
Look, if you want to beef up your listings with stuff from adultwork, there's an actual system for doing that. Use the adultwork affiliate program to put listings on your site and they might even give you money. That's also something that people can control just by editing their AW profiles and they can opt out of appearing on affiliate pages on AW as well. Then if you get any complaints you explain this just like a reasonable person and not have to come up with random computery-sounding nonsense.
-
Amy, regrettably you are incorrect.
Photos are in the public domain. Different search engines represent this in different ways - due to data storage and page loading algorithms more large search engines exclude them - although they can frequently be found if you were to query specifically images.
The as the link on our site is your AW profile - it will only display sitemap data from that site - including mobile phone number. I don't now of any search engine that cuts and pastes data from different sources. I wouldn't even know how to do it!
You must understand that your profile is public, and as such has been indexed by for more than just our system.
The issue of TOP is not about nerve. They 'invited' us to give an account of ourselves, which we did. Yes, some people were irritated to start with, but then understood what we are actually trying to achieve - and applaud it. You see, as I think I mentioned in my email to you - we do not need to create any income from this site at all. It is a WG-centric product that has numerous security features in-built.
Is it our intention to promote our site, build services that WGs want - sure it is.
I will quite happily consult here with members, should they wish, and listen to comments which are made. However, it needs to be conducted with decorum. Not all requests and suggestions will be followed, but undoubtedly some will. It will be viewed in the wider public interest.
As for copyright - we pay good money to expensive attorneys. We are satisfied that we are not in breach of any laws, regulations or relevant policies. If this is believed to be incorrect - send me a legal opinion and I will hand this up to our counsel to review and respond accordingly. If their opinion concurs with yours, we'll take immediate action to put right.
At present, we are concerned with what Providers (WGs) want in a site - including but not limited to such such phraseology which is automatically rejected from our site . . . . we are trying to develop something which is more conducive to a professional industry .
-
Photos are in the public domain.
This is the stupidest thing I've heard today. Are you really, honestly expecting anyone to believe that copyright doesn't apply in any way to photographs, or do you not understand what "public domain" means?
-
Guys
Let me write this and then leave it a while for you guys to consider:
http://www.google.co.uk/#q=site:+adultwork&hl=en&ei=NgZSTL_4MJP00gSfl_ntAg&start=0&sa=N&fp=4da16c650c5b86c8
This link is a simple script for querying the phrase 'adultwork' - notice over 100,000 results alone.
We specify the sites we want to index (yes it is a search tool - and in fact Google even provide a specific code for search engines that want to query only specific sites).
I do not need an 'affiliate' relationship with AdultWork - what for? In order to get money from them? It's not of interest.
Do you think Google (see above) has an affiliate relationship with them? Rhetorical of course - the answer is obvious.
As I said, reasoned argument, legal opinions (from qualified lawyers not others), etc are all welcome. Requests, suggestions, again all welcome.
But, please check your understanding of search engine functions before you persist with your claims . . . .
Here for polite communications!
-
from adultwork.com
Copyright and Other Intellectual Property Rights
Your use of the Site grants no rights to you in relation to copyright, trade marks or other of Our intellectual property rights or the intellectual property rights of third parties.
You may not, without limitation, copy, reproduce, republish, download, post, broadcast, record, transmit, commercially exploit, communicate to the public, or otherwise use the content included in or provided via the Site except for your own personal, non-commercial use. Subject to the above, You may download insubstantial excerpts of this content to Your hard disk for the purpose of viewing it provided that no more than one copy of any information is made.
-
Photos are in the public domain.
This is the stupidest thing I've heard today. Are you really, honestly expecting anyone to believe that copyright doesn't apply in any way to photographs, or do you not understand what "public domain" means?
Look here:
Images, most from AW - indexed into Google!!
http://www.google.co.uk/images?um=1&hl=en&biw=1680&bih=868&tbs=isch:1&q=adultwork&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&gs_rfai=&uss=1
-
from adultwork.com
Copyright and Other Intellectual Property Rights
Your use of the Site grants no rights to you in relation to copyright, trade marks or other of Our intellectual property rights or the intellectual property rights of third parties.
Indexing it NOT copyright!
-
Are you claiming that your site is merely a search engine that indexes adultwork profiles? And then allows people to search them in a way that's far more limited than if they just went adultwork?
Not only AW - several others too . . .
-
Once again - google LINKS TO THE SITE with the profile, you did only copy&paste, there is nothing even mentioned on your website that is from!adultwork
-
Oh come one girls stop messing with this joker and send Go daddy a cease and desist notce re copyright infringement
-
Once again - google LINKS TO THE SITE with the profile, you did only copy&paste, there is nothing even mentioned on your website that is from!adultwork
Errr . . . . the link is actually AW !!! Did you miss this.
As a case in point - here is a very basic sample of specified search engine structure:
http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=017132076859526506789:ose0ptr1zky&hl=en
Be sure to click on the link and see for yourself the concept. Often it's easier to demonstrate than to explain.
-
Oh come one girls stop messing with this joker and send Go daddy a cease and desist notce re copyright infringement
Isn't it easier to run away than admit that in fact you're wrong?
Not sure what GoDaddy have to do with it ??
-
OK - thank you guys for your contributions.
I will stop back here tomorrow should anyone wish to pick up this conversation.
As I said, genuine concerns - email politely and I'll see what can be done.
Thank you
-
That you create a search engine does not mean that you can copy&paste profiles from other website! Come on, how simpler can it be to understand? The profile is "a property" of aw only. Indexing means LINKING not copy and paste and pretending that was made on your site.
-
Oh come one girls stop messing with this joker and send Go daddy a cease and desist notce re copyright infringement
Isn't it easier to run away than admit that in fact you're wrong?
Not sure what GoDaddy have to do with it ??
So what your saying your server is not on a go daddy owned server i.e NS15.DOMAINCONTROL.COM & NS16.DOMAINCONTROL.COM?
Because tell me if im wrong, Godaddy does infact own domaincontrol.com
-
I think the point you are missing is that photos are copyright protected which means they cannot be used by anyone else without prior permission.
If your legal team are telling you different I would personally sack them and find someone who actually knows what they are talking about.
Yes the photos are searchable BUT they are not public domain.
-
The link is publically available. The photographs are not. When I searched on Google Images for 'adultwork images adore amy', I got this (http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&biw=1366&bih=575&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=adultwork+images+adore+amy&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=) (and when I did it with adultwork.com etc, I got fewer still, none of them mine).
See my photograph? No, me neither. I want it and my phone number removed from your site (leave the link if you want, I couldn't care less), and it seems that other ladies feel likewise. Is that polite enough for you?
-
Look here:
Images, most from AW - indexed into Google!!
http://www.google.co.uk/images?um=1&hl=en&biw=1680&bih=868&tbs=isch:1&q=adultwork&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&gs_rfai=&uss=1
If you check, you'll see that those images aren't stored on google's servers, they're hotlinked directly from the sites they appear on, and clicking on them takes you to the relevant pages. Google used to store much smaller thumbnails for its image search but that seems to have gone out with the new site design. Search engines index data so that they can match it to search terms, and show enough in the results for you to decide if it's worth going to the site yourself. If you're merely acting as a search engine in the hopes of driving people to relevant pages, why do you need to include a phone number for every one of your results?
Your site does not act as a search engine. You seem to be implying (though not saying) that you're using google's index to provide information. This isn't the case, and google hasn't indexed any phone numbers from adultwork and certainly doesn't show you a list of them if you search for "escort" or something.
Also, this is not a sentence. I'm not just being picky here, obviously I get the gist (you're right, we're wrong), but I don't actually know what you're trying to say.
Indexing it NOT copyright!
This site provides a simple yet thorough explanation of UK copyright law, which you and anyone who's curious may find useful: http://www.ipo.gov.uk/copy.htm
(Correction: it seems you did actually tell Amy by email, "the result where you appear here is indexed from Google ? and not taken from AW or anywhere else". This is not true. As she's demonstrated, the picture you've taken isn't available in google results. Neither is the phone number she uses on adultwork (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%2B447521956050&ie=UTF-8).)
-
Hi guys,
Thanks for the heads up. My email is being used, but I couldn't find my profile. I have sent a stroppy email demanding they delete it anyway. >:(
SAAFE you rock!
Thanks for all your hard work. :)
Pinkminx xxx
-
Oh come one girls stop messing with this joker and send Go daddy a cease and desist notce re copyright infringement
Isn't it easier to run away than admit that in fact you're wrong?
Not sure what GoDaddy have to do with it ??
So what your saying your server is not on a go daddy owned server i.e NS15.DOMAINCONTROL.COM & NS16.DOMAINCONTROL.COM?
Because tell me if im wrong, Godaddy does infact own domaincontrol.com
Yes, I am saying that our server cluster is NOT GoDaddy owned. The beautiful thing about domain control is that A records and CNAMES can be set simply to point to your servers. Whilst some people choose to set their own Name Servers (NS15 above) - we simply redirect. This allows for load balancing across different servers and allows us to switch to backup systems by a simply change of IP in the A Record. It improves efficiency if you intend to use more than one server (called round robin DNS).
You see, we do this professionally, full time - not in some small bedroom with curtains closed. :)
-
The link is publically available. The photographs are not. When I searched on Google Images for 'adultwork images adore amy', I got this (http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&biw=1366&bih=575&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=adultwork+images+adore+amy&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=) (and when I did it with adultwork.com etc, I got fewer still, none of them mine).
See my photograph? No, me neither. I want it and my phone number removed from your site (leave the link if you want, I couldn't care less), and it seems that other ladies feel likewise. Is that polite enough for you?
I agree... What don't you at Bestescorts not understand? If an escort has asked you not to link her details, photos whatever, have some respect and remove it!
Pinkminx
-
As for copyright - we pay good money to expensive attorneys. We are satisfied that we are not in breach of any laws, regulations or relevant policies. If this is believed to be incorrect - send me a legal opinion and I will hand this up to our counsel to review and respond accordingly. If their opinion concurs with yours, we'll take immediate action to put right.
Attorneys? Are you joey-side based or do you just watch too many imported law and order shows?
More seriously, you have the answer to all this in your own hands. You say you have counsel's opinion, well publish that with a link to his or her chambers (assuming they are Intellectual Property experts) and then folk can clearly see what law on which you intend to rely and so can counter from there. Giving us the argument straight from your own expensive horses mouth will avoid the accusation that you either dont understand or have mis interpreted whats what. Simples.
At present, we are concerned with what Providers (WGs) want in a site
I think you've heard what those who have found themselves on your site want. To be off of it. Are you concerned enough to remove them?
-
OK - the final comment I will make on this matter.
For those not aware, there are several landmark legal cases to support our position.
Reported 30 April 2010, Google was taken to the Supreme Court by an artist who had uploaded her photos onto her website, and Google had reproduced these in their image results. Their position was one under the fair use doctrine.
The Supreme Court ruled that this was NOT copyright infringement. This was in Europe.
In 2007 in the USA, Google also won a landmark case exactly the same in nature, also regarding the use of thumbnails. In this case the plaintiff had a stroger case in that the images Google were displaying were actually for sale by the site from where they had been indexed.
I think the point is clearly made.
So, since links do clearly appear on our results pages, we are happy to engage in construtive discussion about the best use of the services we offer, and what other services may be included/enhanced.
I'm certain that by now our position is quite clear.
-
As Amy has already pointed out our adultwork profile pictures don't show up in google. Claiming that you're only indexing search results is a lie, you have been caught out, give it up.
-
You see, we do this professionally, full time - not in some small bedroom with curtains closed. :)
So, since links do clearly appear on our results pages, we are happy to engage in construtive discussion about the best use of the services we offer, and what other services may be included/enhanced.
It's always interesting to witness mass psychology - jumping on the bandwagon, whatever you choose to call it.
You are still avoiding the real issue, which is the fact that your claim to using Google indexing to obtain photographs and mobile numbers from Adultwork has been proved to be lies. I notice you have not replied to Anika's post (http://www.saafe.info/main/index.php?topic=2771.msg30166#msg30166) yet and in the meantime decided to take yet another patronising swipe at one of our members. It is not for you to dictate the direction of this thread, and you ought to be aware that you are on borrowed time as it is.
Considering that Slick's directory is one of the most popular, respected and well used sites in the UK, as well as being the starting point for SAAFE a good few years ago, your ridiculous pot shots show once again your total lack of industry knowledge - what earthly difference do you think it makes how and where a directory site is run from, curtains or no curtains? The sites we all know, value and get the majority of our website hits from could be and probably are run from a corner of the owners garage for all we know, but we don't care because ourselves, our images and our information are treated respectfully by people who listen to what we want.
You can spout tech-drivel all you want to try and impress people, but if these snide remarks continue your account will be deleted. Believe me, the only reason you are still posting is because I and others were hoping you might actually answer some of the points put to you and were prepared to give you the opportunity to do so, but if you are going to ignore them there is no point in your presence here; this is a support forum and not a place for you to tout your crappy site and post childish digs at others. If you are going to try to be condescending, it helps an awful lot to be in a position from which to condescend.
To be honest, I am even beginning to wonder whether this whole thing is a massive wind up. I don't believe I have ever come across anyone so insufferably pleased with himself, and for so little reason. As has now been said repeatedly (and spare me the tech/link/indexing rubbish) why are you insisting on advertising people who have told you repeatedly that they do not want you to, and ignoring their request to remove their contact details from your site?
I want it and my phone number removed from your site (leave the link if you want, I couldn't care less), and it seems that other ladies feel likewise. Is that polite enough for you?
What don't you at Bestescorts not understand? If an escort has asked you not to link her details, photos whatever, have some respect and remove it!
I think you've heard what those who have found themselves on your site want. To be off of it. Are you concerned enough to remove them?
A straight answer to a question that has now been put several times will do you far more good than any more arrogant blustering about how great you are and how we should be happy to have access to your brilliant site. Why not try it?
-
Nice work girls ;D
I too had a few of the texts a while back asking me to register to this directory and didn't as I personally don't see the point in any of them unless they are known sites or another wg recommends them to me.
Just had a quick look and can't find myself or my email address but being a tad thick with new stuff maybe I am wrong :-\
-
These people are so rude!
I emailed politely asking for my profile to be removed from their site. The reply was 'No'. It's a total utter piss take - I'm running a business and I alone shall decide where I place my details.
Stealing profiles from well known sites is bad business practice. I'm asking you once again, only in public this time Bestcorts - Can you delete my profile from your site. Please.
If you spent half the time marketing your site correctly as you do copying and stealing profiles - I'm sure you'd be rather successful.
-
Yes, I am saying that our server cluster is NOT GoDaddy owned. The beautiful thing about domain control is that A records and CNAMES can be set simply to point to your servers. Whilst some people choose to set their own Name Servers (NS15 above) - we simply redirect. This allows for load balancing across different servers and allows us to switch to backup systems by a simply change of IP in the A Record. It improves efficiency if you intend to use more than one server (called round robin DNS).
You see, we do this professionally, full time - not in some small bedroom with curtains closed. :)
Not a small bedroom, a 6 foot x 4 foot shed at the bottom of the garden if you don't mind.
You remind me of a guy we once new called VIP, He was a guy that also baffled and waffled on about tech and legal things, shame his site only lasted 10 months.
Any who, You sound like a decent type of chap that I'm sure can realise his mistakes and rectify them.
So Cybercon of St Louis would have to be the hosting company then
-
OK - the final comment I will make on this matter.
For those not aware, there are several landmark legal cases to support our position.
Reported 30 April 2010, Google was taken to the Supreme Court by an artist who had uploaded her photos onto her website, and Google had reproduced these in their image results. Their position was one under the fair use doctrine.
The Supreme Court ruled that this was NOT copyright infringement. This was in Europe.
In 2007 in the USA, Google also won a landmark case exactly the same in nature, also regarding the use of thumbnails. In this case the plaintiff had a stroger case in that the images Google were displaying were actually for sale by the site from where they had been indexed.
I think the point is clearly made.
So, since links do clearly appear on our results pages, we are happy to engage in construtive discussion about the best use of the services we offer, and what other services may be included/enhanced.
I'm certain that by now our position is quite clear.
So you don't actually have a very expensive attorney's opinion then? Counsel's opinion would of course run to a good few pages outlining legislation, caselaw and clear argument giving context and, where appropriate analogous evidence.
Your *cough* attorney merely appears to have used Google to find a few cases that may or may not fit your position. Perhaps he/she lives in a small bedroom with his/her curtains closed.
-
Here is a link that provides all the information what has to be done to solve this issue. http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p05_copyright_infringement . I suggest first made a short date on which the profile must be removed, have a copy of the email that you had sent and the reply, if it will be not removed the follow the next step ;D
-
Why don't they just stop being such w?%kers and do as we ask? I'm seething.
-
I am also wondering why... Instead of making a good service that the escorts would be self attracted to advertise on the website, he tries to do the easy way, and short way as we see these won't last long.
-
Here is a link that provides all the information what has to be done to solve this issue. http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p05_copyright_infringement . I suggest first made a short date on which the profile must be removed, have a copy of the email that you had sent and the reply, if it will be not removed the follow the next step ;D
Since the site is hosted in the US, (and if the party responsible's bizarre language is anything to go by, so is he) the content would not necessarily be covered by the UK laws, and instead the Digital Millennium Copyright Act 1998, a US statute. There is more information about this here (http://www.saafe.info/ripoffs.htm) on the main site.
It is also worth pointing out that only a copyright owner can take action - I own the copyright of my pictures because I took them, but this is often not the case and is another good reason to make sure you obtain the rights to your images on a signed document.
-
Why don't they just stop being such w?%kers and do as we ask? I'm seething.
Don't be. If nothing else, tomorrow night take your number off AW and don't put it back until Sunday lunchtime/afternoon. According to one of his posts on TOP, this is when they steal our details, and the only profiles which get picked up are the ones with phone numbers displayed (which I'm guessing is true, since another lady here is not on it and she doesn't show her number). If it is still showing on the site after that, then he was talking bollocks... ach, flaw in argument spotted ;D.
Meanwhile, don't let it wind you up. At the end of the day, the chances of the thing lasting more than a few months at most is minimal, although their traffic's gone through the roof in the last 24 hours - they must be chuffed to bits. I somehow doubt many of those looking are actually punters, though.
-
I am on that site and the only contact I have had from anyone is spammers trying to get me to pay them for a website and/or photos. It is the ONLY site I am on that I do NOT get work from, infact I do not even get enquiries from there.
I have checked my webpage analytics and get no visits from there either
I honestly cannot see it working at all as it looks cheap and tacky and hardly even ever work on IE. I always have to drop to firefox to get further than the entry page.
-
Incidentally, and just in case anybody was wondering how the three folk on the homepage had managed to avoid having their phone numbers published, it is because these are some photos that Bescorts almost certainly got permission to use, and possibly even paid for.
However, I doubt the subjects would be too overjoyed to know they are being advertised as prostitutes (and especially at some really crappy rates - check out the overnights, bargain fans). Head to the very front page for Samantha (http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-2311041-lingerie-series.php) (London), Ben (http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-9443661-pride.php) (Manchester) and Karen (http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-4835563-belt-in-jeans.php) (Birmingham).
Apparently they are all available not just NOW, but 24 hours a day and we are invited to call or text them, only they are the only people on the site who seem to have got their wishes regarding their contact details.
'Karen', it is claimed, is 'exclusive to Bestcorts'. She'll be chuffed to bits, or at least she might be if there was a fighting chance that she knew anything about it.
-
Amy, you are a genius! ;) I saw the photo and at least they looked to good...
-
The people at Bestcorts are soo rude! I am quite cross. I recieved an email from their webmaster stating and I quote
"Idiot - we have NOT taken your profile, it is a link like any other search results in any other specified search engine.
And take off the CAPS LOCK
Kind Regards Webmaster Bestcorts." :o
How dare they! Just so rude! >:(
Pinkminx xxx
-
Dear Bescorts, or should that be bestc8nts?
Thank you for your continued interest in our profiles. I daresay we have now boosted your rating on Google, and you are sat in your ivory tower built on being a oblique pimp laughing your socks off.
You are completely right, in some ways. A face and personal image cannot be copyrighted. In another, the crux, you are completely wrong. If you would like to offer a full retraction, here and signed by you under your full business address, and then offer members a right to publish their details under your group, for free and with no contractual obligation, you will have some trade. There is no need to argue further, open yourselves up to free input and free trade and you will flourish.
Until then, I tip my hat to you.
Lucy x
-
Thank you for your continued interest in our profiles. I daresay we have now boosted your rating on Google, and you are sat in your ivory tower built on being a oblique pimp laughing your socks off.
Well as far as I can see, the site's Google Pagerank is still zero. And traffic is meaningless anyway - I daresay anything up to a few thousand extra hits will show for the last few days but since they will be made up almost exclusively of irritated ladies and curious lurkers, it doesn't amount to anything much. Maybe an ivory Portakabin?
You are completely right, in some ways. A face and personal image cannot be copyrighted.
I don't understand the relevance of this at all - no-one has said that a face can be copyrighted and of course it cannot. Bestcorts have not published faces; they have published digital images which have been created using a specific and provable medium on specific and provable dates, and more often than not by provable persons. They are all categorically copyrighted to their respective creators.
Bestcorts have also lied about where they obtained these images and phone numbers (they are NOT available from Google and this has also been proved), and are using them without the copyright owners permission. There is nothing whatsoever they have been right about.
In another, the crux, you are completely wrong. If you would like to offer a full retraction, here and signed by you under your full business address, and then offer members a right to publish their details under your group, for free and with no contractual obligation, you will have some trade. There is no need to argue further, open yourselves up to free input and free trade and you will flourish.
Lucy I appreciate that there everyone has strong feelings about this, but it is not for you to tell anyone what to do and how to post, and to issue proclaimations like some self-appointed voice of SAAFE is not acceptable. We already have a moderation and administration team, and if anyone is going to give instructions on any members' conduct here, it will be one of us (and frankly, I doubt many other members would use the site now if it the ads came with a years supply of condoms free and a dozen roses).
The realistic chances of this site 'flourishing' I would think is extremely small; given that they have put off a huge number of the people with a solid online presence and not forgetting the number of folk who regularly lurk here and hve been watching him dig himself the biggest hole on here since poor old Ricardo thought he could fool our ladies ;D. The site's three month Alexa traffic ranking is only slightly ahead of mine, and it was well behind it the other day when I first bumped the thread back. Nobody outside a handful of internet forum users has ever heard of it, and those who have signed up from the spammy email and promptly forgotten all about it will drop off as soon as they try to start charging.
Until then, I tip my hat to you.
Unless that means something different in your part of the world Luce, I think you're probably on your own.
-
Completely right Amy. Tip my hat was more intended to mean that well done you for increasing your already dubious profile, and the rest was tongue in cheek.
We are from the same part of the world. Apologies.
Lucy x
-
Completely right Amy. Tip my hat was more intended to mean that well done you for increasing your already dubious profile, and the rest was tongue in cheek.
We are from the same part of the world. Apologies.
Lucy x
Fair play. I'd be the first to admit that my sense of humour is wearing thin, and this berk's antics certainly aren't helping. It doesn't appear that our questions are likely to be answered anytime soon though, and I'm going to wait until tomorrow to see whether I've disappeared through removing my number - will report back. It's still in the back of my mind that the whole thing is a joke, tbh.
Meanwhile back at the ranch, I've heard from the AW admins. They're not happy either.
-
They never are, but lets face it, how could a direct link to their site be a bad thing? Lets just ignore the silly gobshite.
-
Well removing my number didn't help and I'm still there, along with a lady from West Yorkshire who visited Scarborough for a couple of days about a month ago and has long since returned home. So in conclusion, Bestcorts was talking yet more unmitigated crap (although I've saved two quid :D).
They never are, but lets face it, how could a direct link to their site be a bad thing? Lets just ignore the silly gobshite.
You obviously have more to do with them than me - I've never been a fan of the site but I've always found my dealings with the admins to go extremely smoothly and all complaints, reports and enquiries have been dealt with promptly and politely. I certainly have never been patronised to within an inch of my life or called an 'idiot' by them, nor for that matter anyone else running any other successful industry advertising resource.
Anyway, looks like show over here for now. Anyone who does manage to get anywhere having their details removed, please keep us all posted.
-
Hello Again
Rather than dignify comments and draw people's attention back to what was actually written, I find patience to be the best remedy.
As I stated before and in some emails responses to some people, we will be implementing a tool on Monday / Tuesday next week, which will allow for people to remove themselves from our links listings.
This will be an SMS tool that will require the relevant person to be in possession of the phone number which appears on our results. As long as the appropriate person can receive an SMS code from us, their profile will be immediately removed, and the number dropped onto a 'do not list' database ensuring that future crawls of any of the sites we visit will mean that the profile will not erroneously be listed once again.
Such coding work takes time. We are aiming for Monday, probably hit Tuesday - with bugs rooted out by Wednesday. This is a priority piece of work for us - so please don't expect something sooner as it is physically not possible!
We hope that this will satisfy those who do not wish their links to appear on our site.
PS - if the number is a 'group' number, then we will need to communicate via email in order to ensure that it is an agency decision to withdraw their link rather than one individual.
Finally, we regret that some people consider what we have done as a negative action.
Our intention is to provide Punters what they are seeking, and in due course, provide Escorts an additional alternative platform for advertising. For those who question it - we have no intention of charging Providers in the UK to have and display a profile . . . !
Regards
WebMaster
[link deleted]
-
As I stated before and in some emails responses to some people, we will be implementing a tool on Monday / Tuesday next week, which will allow for people to remove themselves from our links listings.
Thank god for that. You're already one-upping half your competition by allowing us poor, dim prossies to at least have a say about which sh*tty directories our sites get listed on without our permission. I absolutely hate this part of the industry. I am sick and tired of douchebags telling me where and when I should be advertising myself - are you the ones sucking the penises? No, so how about you don't try to interfere with escorts' marketing? Can you possibly understand that perhaps I'm already seeing enough clients and don't want creeps from your website calling me? Bear in mind, this isn't anything personal towards you - you are far from the only group of idiots making our lives unnecessarily difficult.
Such coding work takes time. We are aiming for Monday, probably hit Tuesday - with bugs rooted out by Wednesday. This is a priority piece of work for us - so please don't expect something sooner as it is physically not possible!
Ridiculously complicated, but I suppose we'll take what we get. How about finishing your site before stealing our details and bothering us unnecessarily next time?
Our intention is to provide Punters what they are seeking, and in due course, provide Escorts an additional alternative platform for advertising. For those who question it - we have no intention of charging Providers in the UK to have and display a profile . . . !
We really have enough of these sites already. We don't need more forums and directories - spreading the population of active online punters and prossies more thinly doesn't help anyone, it just means we all have to spend more time in the morning faffing on our computers. And new clients may end up even more overwhelmed and confused. But, er, I suppose you believe you know what you're doing.
Thanks! Can we lock this thread yet? :)
-
Thank f*ck somebody else could be bothered to respond to this cretin. I see that answering the entirely appropriate questions and points raised by us is dismissed as 'dignifying comments' - how droll! Try as I might, I couldn't find any apologies to the ladies who have been insulted amongst the deluded rubbish, but I doubt they were expecting them any more than I was.
Thanks! Can we lock this thread yet? :)
I suggest we leave it until this golden get out is actually working so we can make sure everyone knows about it. Unfortunately this probably means we'll have to endure another heap of patronising drivel from Mr Marvellous, but it'll be worth it to get off their scabby site. I changed my AW photo on Tuesday and lo and behold the new one has appeared on there, so all that crap about Sundays was a little misleading and we've no reason to think this won't be the same.
-
You're welcome.
-
Don't you have some coding to do? Best run along and get on with it, there's a good lad.
-
Don't you have some coding to do? Best run along and get on with it, there's a good lad.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
This made me very happy. Amy I think you would make an awesome supernanny!
-
Wednesday has now progressed to Thursday due to some technical challenges.
Our link removal tool works, however it will now be published onto the live system tomorrow.
Thank you
WebMaster
-
Thank you for your patience.
For those of you who do not wish to have links on our site, linking to external pages hosted by other sites, please do the following:
1 Go to bestcorts.com
2 Hit 'I Agree' on the Disclaimer Page
3 On the left hand side, click 'Search' on the Quick Search Section. No need to input any parameters.
4 On the results page, scroll to the bottom of the page and 'click here' where it says:
Does this link to you?
To permanently remove your link,
please click here
5 Follow the instructions in order to have your link removed.
If everything works correctly, any link with your telephone number will be deleted (it has worked in testing).
Thank you
WebMaster
-
And goodbye to Bestcorts.
Your crass and continuous abuse of this thread to attempt to promote your vile, tacky site should have got you deleted weeks ago and the post above is the only reason it did not. I have had to modify virtually every post made as you lack even the nous to realise that trying to crowbar a link into every one was not going to be tolerated, and your lies about stealing our content, pathetic excuses and backpedalling not to mention your abuse of our members should also have long since seen you pinged.
The thread can stay to serve as a lesson for anyone else too ignorant and lazy to do things responsibly, ethically and politely. But it's all over for Bestcorts.
Locked.