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Escortdeck (UK Escort Search Engine) - NOT a directory - Guest posts for Indies
« on: 29 February 2016, 10:23:25 am »
Allright, let the bashing begin!

A few weeks ago we have launched Escortdeck [ www.escortdeck.com ], which is a search engine for escorts in the whole UK.

It's not a directory: escorts cannot create a profile in order to be listed, or things like that.

What do we do? We scan the main adult classified websites in the UK (so fare we have about 15), sort all the ads in one unique index, and return searches to our users. Basically, we (try and) do what Google does, but only with Escort ads websites, and only in the UK (for now).

This means that with one single search punters can find over ten thousand Escorts listed on different websites, without having to visit them one by one.

So for those of you already on Adultwork, Vivastreet et similia, chances are you are already appearing on Escortdeck somewhere.

Why am I opening a topic about it then, if it cannot be of any use to you?

Well, a couple of reasons. Firstly, any feedback and criticism is always welcome. I don't expect to gain free UX data with your comments, but if you feel like having a quick browse and check out the search results, please do, and do feel free to share your thoughts.

The other main reason is visibility and reach.
So here's the deal: we have a blog section, and we would like to open it for guest postings to independent escorts (we'd like to keep it in the form of an interview). In a guest post / interview you can talk about your services, you can have a gallery of pictures, and you can have a link to to your website, social media accounts, etc.
In exchange, we ask for a link to Escortdeck on your website.
So for the moment we would give priority to escorts who have their own website.

If this sounds interesting and fair to you, please comment below or write to rebecca (at) escortdeck (dot) com . You can also reach out on Twitter - our handler is the website name.

That's all for now. Waiting for Amy's hammer to crash down... :)
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« Reply #1 on: 29 February 2016, 12:04:55 pm »
Well, the amusing idea that there's only one escort in my town - what a search on your site reveals - shows the quality of your scraping.

As that includes AW, you might want to consider the effects on people you are purporting to help of taking pictures from there, knowing that AW really doesn't like that and removes profiles if pictures are not exclusive to it.

You didn't ask permission to do that, because you knew you wouldn't get it.
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« Reply #2 on: 29 February 2016, 12:09:37 pm »
I found myself under a couple of categories - but they were from vivastreet adverts so I don't particularly care.

But like Ian said - if you take our photos from AW that can get us into a lot of trouble. Please don't do that.

Furthermore, is your database updated daily? Sometimes an escort needs to disappear. If she removes her adverts does your database immediately lose her link?
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« Reply #3 on: 29 February 2016, 12:17:52 pm »
Quote from: xw5 on 29 February 2016, 12:04:55 pm
Well, the amusing idea that there's only one escort in my town - what a search on your site reveals - shows the quality of your scraping.

As that includes AW, you might want to consider the effects on people you are purporting to help of taking pictures from there, knowing that AW really doesn't like that and removes profiles if pictures are not exclusive to it.

You didn't ask permission to do that, because you knew you wouldn't get it.
Thanks for your answer.
May I ask what is your town?
As per Adultwork and pics: we are using AW's API, so all the data from AW is authorized by AW.
They probably don't like when people steal images, but it's not the case for us.
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« Reply #4 on: 29 February 2016, 12:21:07 pm »
If our photos APPEAR ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE INTERNET WE GET BANNED. It's nothing to do with stealing photos. They're my photos, not AW's. They simply have a rule that they are not to be used seen anywhere else.

The people behind AW are not reasonable people. They don't investigate issues. They just ban members and make them grovel and send in sensitive personal documents to get their profiles back.

Do not take our photos from AW.
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« Reply #5 on: 29 February 2016, 12:21:53 pm »
Quote from: Fabulassie on 29 February 2016, 12:09:37 pm
But like Ian said - if you take our photos from AW that can get us into a lot of trouble. Please don't do that.

Furthermore, is your database updated daily? Sometimes an escort needs to disappear. If she removes her adverts does your database immediately lose her link?
Thank you for your message.
See my previous reply RE adultwork and pics.
Database is updated daily, more frequently on weekends (when we noticed there's usually an increase of ads).
If you remove your ad from one of the websites, and for some reason you still appear in our search results... When you click on the search result you are sent to the original ad, but since it's not live anymore, you'll get the provider's 404 page, or a redirect, depending on what the provider does in this case.
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« Reply #6 on: 29 February 2016, 12:24:11 pm »
Well, as with the case of George McCoy, we probably can't stop you from sharing our adverts in this manner.

But please leave the AW photos alone.
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« Reply #7 on: 29 February 2016, 12:42:18 pm »
Quote from: Fabulassie on 29 February 2016, 12:21:07 pm
If our photos APPEAR ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE INTERNET WE GET BANNED. It's nothing to do with stealing photos. They're my photos, not AW's. They simply have a rule that they are not to be used seen anywhere else.

Just my 2cents on this.
Once you upload pictures on AW, I'm afraid they are not your pictures anymore (read: they don't belong to you), but AW's.

And in regards of the "leave the AW photos alone".

You are probably referring to this paragraph in their T&C:
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Any profile pictures uploaded to the Site must only be used in conjunction with .  If the pictures are found on any other website your membership may be jeopardised.

If you read further down, you will also find:
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With the exception of Affiliate Promotion Pages, any content you have uploaded to this Site will not be displayed on any other website by us [...] Should any of your uploaded content appear on other websites, you should pursue the issue with the website owner.

There it is. We are "affiliates" and we have their permission to use the images.

You won't get into trouble if your AW photos appear in our search results.
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« Reply #8 on: 29 February 2016, 12:45:38 pm »
In what way are you affiliates? Do you have an agreement with AW?

And can you cite the actual law that says my photos become AW's property? I'm pretty sure that that this not the case. I have the right to take them down or move them to my general gallery and then use them anywhere I like.

They have rules governing what they call a voluntary membership in their "club" or whatever. Breeching these rules can be cause for expulsion. It's nothing to do with them owning anything.
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« Reply #9 on: 29 February 2016, 12:54:08 pm »
Quote from: Fabulassie on 29 February 2016, 12:45:38 pm
In what way are you affiliates? Do you have an agreement with AW?
please see the "developer" link in the footer of the AW homepage.

Quote from: Fabulassie on 29 February 2016, 12:45:38 pm
And can you cite the actual law that says my photos become AW's property? I'm pretty sure that that his not the case. I have the right to take them down or move them to my general gallery and then use them anywhere I like.
Sorry, I was just talking in general terms. I don't know about AW in the specific, but when you upload a photo on a website or social network, you may give up on the ownership. It varies and I am not here to discuss this as I am no expert in it :)
As I said, I don't know if it's the case for AW, VS or other adult classified websites. But that's not the point here: the point is that we are authorized to display AW pics.
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« Reply #10 on: 29 February 2016, 02:19:30 pm »
Actually there is a section asking for our permission for AW to use our photos on their advertising, because they can't use them without our permission. If my details and photos appear on your site without written permission from myself then that classes as copyright infringement which is not only illegal but absolutely moronic.

I would suggest that everyone gets in touch with AW and complains, my friend has (finally) spoken to them and they don't know who this company is? Perhaps the OP could show where AW have awarded written use of OUR copyrights to them? This would then clearly show that AW being the global company it is has been stupid enough to leave itself wide open to us to legal action....

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« Reply #11 on: 29 February 2016, 02:50:48 pm »
Quote from: Littlemisslondon on 29 February 2016, 02:19:30 pm
Actually there is a section asking for our permission for AW to use our photos on their advertising, because they can't use them without our permission. If my details and photos appear on your site without written permission from myself then that classes as copyright infringement which is not only illegal but absolutely moronic.

I would suggest that everyone gets in touch with AW and complains, my friend has (finally) spoken to them and they don't know who this company is? Perhaps the OP could show where AW have awarded written use of OUR copyrights to them? This would then clearly show that AW being the global company it is has been stupid enough to leave itself wide open to us to legal action....
I don't mean to be rude, but I'm not here to talk about AW T&C and copyright issues. I would suggest you to do so in another topic.
I will just point out one last time that AW provides public access to profiles for embedding in other websites. See an example: developers.adultwork.com/Site/AppLibrary/ProfileList

It's no different than embedding a facebook page or a facebook profile on your own blog. Or a google map. Or a tweet. Or adding facebook comments to your WP blog. I could go on forever. It's how the internet works.




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« Reply #12 on: 29 February 2016, 02:53:11 pm »
Quote from: Escortdeck on 29 February 2016, 02:50:48 pm
Quote from: Littlemisslondon on 29 February 2016, 02:19:30 pm
Actually there is a section asking for our permission for AW to use our photos on their advertising, because they can't use them without our permission. If my details and photos appear on your site without written permission from myself then that classes as copyright infringement which is not only illegal but absolutely moronic.

I would suggest that everyone gets in touch with AW and complains, my friend has (finally) spoken to them and they don't know who this company is? Perhaps the OP could show where AW have awarded written use of OUR copyrights to them? This would then clearly show that AW being the global company it is has been stupid enough to leave itself wide open to us to legal action....
I don't mean to be rude, but I'm not here to talk about AW T&C and copyright issues. I would suggest you to do so in another topic.
I will just point out one last time that AW provides public access to profiles for embedding in other websites. See an example: developers.adultwork.com/Site/AppLibrary/ProfileList

It's no different than embedding a facebook page or a facebook profile on your own blog. Or a google map. Or a tweet. Or adding facebook comments to your WP blog. I could go on forever. It's how the internet works.

I would suggest that this is not your Forum and not up to you to tell people where they should post.  I see nothing new in these suggestions and your patronising tone will not endear you to the very people you claim to want to attract.





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« Reply #13 on: 29 February 2016, 02:57:43 pm »
PS: there might be an option in your own AW profile which says something like "do not provide my profile details via API" or something like that.
It would be the equivalent of when you tick the option "Do not display my profile in public searches" on Facebook or other social networks: that excludes you from getting picked up by other sources.
Check in your AW privacy settings.

Bottom line: does AW give you control on this? I don't know. You need to check in your privacy settings, if there are any. If AW does give you control on this, good for you. If it doesn't, well small prints.
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« Reply #14 on: 29 February 2016, 02:59:14 pm »
Quote from: Jezabel on 29 February 2016, 02:53:11 pm
I would suggest that this is not your Forum and not up to you to tell people where they should post.  I see nothing new in these suggestions and your patronising tone will not endear you to the very people you claim to want to attract.
right, point taken. I just thought we were wondering off topic, but yeah it's not my forum :)
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