Author Topic: A New (and Safer) Form of Prostitution (Read 12168 times)

victoryrose · « **Reply #15 on:** 17 September 2015, 08:33:54 pm »

Thanks for addressing my other points.... Oh and how the fuck are we going to screen clients without having their numbers? You would render the National Ugly Mugs project completely useless? Duh. You have actually REDUCED safety in that regard.

ETA: The reason I'm making my own website isn't because the alternatives are seedy, it's because I like the idea of having my own website to rely on in case AW takes my profile down. Maybe stop trying to assume you know how we think yeah?

cheesypeas · « **Reply #16 on:** 17 September 2015, 08:41:28 pm »

What exactly does this mean?
Can the client propose a price?
...'Choose whether to accept any client that puts forward an offer'

Not sure exactly what this means?
Is the escort obliged to accept an offer?
...'An "offer and acceptance system". The client makes an offer for a booking and the provider must accept this.'

I need clients number for my records and security.
How do I report a bad client without a number?
I wont accept non cash payment
I have 999 on speed dial
I will no longer join review sites
Clients will ask for safe unsafe sex in person and not be held back by a dissaproving App.
I refuse to give anyone a percentage of my earnings.

victoryrose · « **Reply #17 on:** 17 September 2015, 08:43:53 pm »

I think he just means they make contact with us as he did say we set our own prices, but I echo your other points. He seems to be relying on something bad actually happening before we can report the client and have it show up for other escorts, meaning that the existing thousands and thousands of unsafe numbers that are already reported are totally erased from this kind of service because we can't see them and check they don't appear on the dodgy punter lists, so chances are all those men not getting any bookings because they're known about and well documented will move to this app because they have complete anonymity again. But hey, as long as James here gets his 5-10%!

Midsstudent · « **Reply #18 on:** 17 September 2015, 08:58:40 pm »

There is no way I or my clients would be happy with electronic only payments... big payments on their bank statements are not discreet.

You're not charging as a directory, but charging per booking which makes you an agency and profiting from prostitution (making you a pimp). Also you give us no ability to screen our clients by checking their number with the likes of ugly mugs.

In my opinion you're just trying to make an adultwork app but trying to profit off the one thing adultwork don't... escort bookings.

My final curiosity on this, is why on earth do you need to meet with escorts in person about this? You don't sound like someone trying to help, you sound like a tech savvy pimp.

JamesE · « **Reply #19 on:** 17 September 2015, 09:11:51 pm »

Thank you for all the responses so far, I appreciate how honest you're all being.

I would say I'm probably getting a bit of a hard time from you all and a lot of assumptions are being made about me, which is slightly unfair.

If you don't like the idea, that's completely fine and I really plan to take on board everything you all say.

I'm really just a person who has realised how lucrative this industry is (as all of you certainly have) and have come to the conclusion that I could offer something a bit new and different whilst trying to make it all a bit more safe and secure. I'm not a bad person and I'm certainly n

JamesE · « **Reply #20 on:** 17 September 2015, 09:12:25 pm »

*certainly not a pimp

victoryrose · « **Reply #21 on:** 17 September 2015, 09:19:20 pm »

James, notice that you are repeatedly avoiding addressing our concerns? You blatantly do not have our safety at heart if you're literally erasing the purpose of Ugly Mugs. We have on numerous occasions asked you questions and you are refusing to address them. That's not looking good for you.

JamesE · « **Reply #22 on:** 17 September 2015, 09:22:05 pm »

I take on board the Ugly Mugs point completely. Potentially if it was simply that the punters would not have access to your number at any stage but you could view yours

Curvygal · « **Reply #23 on:** 17 September 2015, 09:23:59 pm »

Quote from: JamesE on 17 September 2015, 09:12:25 pm

*certainly not a pimp

Unfortunately you want to take 10% of fees per booking, which is controlling for financial gain. As a barrister I would assume you would know that.

Not one for me, I'd never accept with held numbers, electronic payments or giving someone 10% of my earnings.

JamesE · « **Reply #24 on:** 17 September 2015, 09:24:13 pm »

Also one thing I did wonder about Ugly Mugs is that it's so simple in the modern age to chop and change phone numbers on a whim. How do you all combat this?

Kay · « **Reply #25 on:** 17 September 2015, 09:29:38 pm »

I can only echo what the others have said.

For me the main flaws are:

a). Electronic payments: the vast majority of clients don't want to leave an electronic trail, and likewise many SWs don't like to give their official details to anyone they don't trust 100%. The only people besides friends who know my real name and that I'm escort are my accountants. There is a reason it's predominantly a cash-only business.
b). Screening: I never, ever book someone without speaking to them on the phone first, the only exception being deaf men, in which case they'd need to answer questions by email or text until I was sure they were legit.

Some sort of improved app for finding escorts wouldn't hurt but I don't think you've thought through the practical and legal implications.

Curvygal · « **Reply #26 on:** 17 September 2015, 09:31:51 pm »

I'm just sitting here waiting for Amy at this point!

JamesE · « **Reply #27 on:** 17 September 2015, 09:32:05 pm »

I completely take your point about the electronic transactions.

Do you not think though that to keep up with modern times and attract newer generations it may help?

Also that it can stop escorts being swindled out of cash they deserve?

And as regards the paper trail, many people nowadays make electronic purchases for things they don't want others to find out about and you can easily hide things from bank statements, etc.

And I think there's some confusion. Vetting is crucial. Which is why I want to use the phone number randomisation software to ensure that the escorts can have a phone call with the potential punter through the app without the punter actually knowing their phone number

victoryrose · « **Reply #28 on:** 17 September 2015, 09:32:48 pm »

Quote from: JamesE on 17 September 2015, 09:24:13 pm

Also one thing I did wonder about Ugly Mugs is that it's so simple in the modern age to chop and change phone numbers on a whim. How do you all combat this?

Obviously that happens but for the most part is does serve to help us as the idea is that they usually don't know that they've been reported. I've avoided a lot of potentially extremely dangerous bookings by finding numbers both reported on this forum and on UM. People will find a way to make a new profile on your nifty little app as well if an escort lets onto them that they've been reported, same as with the old AW notes feature. Don't think you know this business better than us, you don't. You know who could really do an app like this well? An actual fucking sex worker. And if you knew anything about anything you'd know that UM has more functions than just the number check system. As for the electronic payments... What if they say that they've cancelled and try to take the money back? How will you know for sure? And every other point made? Honestly it sounds like this app is a total dream for people that like to con us. Great job, James! Hey, here's an idea: If you want to make money from this industry, sign up to a male escort site and start working yourself.

And that'll be enough from me, see you all on the other side!

Midsstudent · « **Reply #29 on:** 17 September 2015, 09:44:01 pm »

Read the threads on here. Our phone numbers do not come close to a safety concern for any of us as we have work phones. And no, this is and likely always will be a cash business because of what it is. It will never move onto electronic payments. As for attracting different generations, young guys can take cash out too. Married guys do not want ?100's to a random company that can be googled by their wives on their bank statements.

You still haven't explained why you need to meet with us in person either.

You want to milk the cash cow that is escorts, that's all this is. Your claim of 'safety' is merely your way of trying to sell it to us to make your cash.

See also the main SAAFE.info site for more Support And Advice For Escorts

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