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Re: "Client Eye" free Reporting app for TW/Call-SMS Pest/Abusive/No Shows
« Reply #1050 on: 07 November 2023, 03:26:00 pm »
I am concerned that some punters would or could persuade some women to write a good report for them.

Punters shouldn’t even know CE exists and wouldn’t do if it wasn’t for some working girls ruining it.
(Mind you, it’s doing a good job ruining it for itself)

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« Reply #1051 on: 07 November 2023, 03:35:19 pm »
I been thinking about this recently and noticed i earn far less than i used to and some of it could be because i avoid so many with reports.

I do think as so many have reports now days It's up to us to think well this does not look too serious i will give them a try.

I have seen many said refused deposit but as not much info given does it mean they have it wrote all over their profile and the guy is ignoring it and demanding they see them without a deposit. It's difficult to know but i think on that info a lot would ignore that if they only take cash and give them a chance?

I mean hasn't it got to the point where unless serious reports or a lot of reports on being a fantasist a lot of ladies are taking chances as would barely have any work if they ignored all Client Eye reports?

I do find 1 word reports like "thief" "Robbery" or "Rapist" useless as surely if something bad happened there would be more info to give us..it is too vague for something so serious.

I do report any man that does not read my profile and tries to get it cheaper resulting in me hanging up especially as i write no haggling. Some might think that is not worth reporting but i think it gives the woman a heads up they could do it with them.

I think it has got to the point that we now need to vet some of these calls have 2 or 3 reports that are not too bad.

The only worry i would have if a positive report was false and it resulted in someone having something bad happen but less serious reports could be fine but it would make Client Eyes admin probably a bit of a nightmare. It could be women arguing that someone is fine but not with them they were not.

Or maybe a long term established member of CE could give a positive if CE thinks there report history shows they seem trustworthy.

I am not sure what the solution is to be honest.

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« Reply #1052 on: 07 November 2023, 04:14:16 pm »
I been thinking about this recently and noticed i earn far less than i used to and some of it could be because i avoid so many with reports.

I do think as so many have reports now days It's up to us to think well this does not look too serious i will give them a try.

I have seen many said refused deposit but as not much info given does it mean they have it wrote all over their profile and the guy is ignoring it and demanding they see them without a deposit. It's difficult to know but i think on that info a lot would ignore that if they only take cash and give them a chance?

I mean hasn't it got to the point where unless serious reports or a lot of reports on being a fantasist a lot of ladies are taking chances as would barely have any work if they ignored all Client Eye reports?

I do find 1 word reports like "thief" "Robbery" or "Rapist" useless as surely if something bad happened there would be more info to give us..it is too vague for something so serious.

I do report any man that does not read my profile and tries to get it cheaper resulting in me hanging up especially as i write no haggling. Some might think that is not worth reporting but i think it gives the woman a heads up they could do it with them.

I think it has got to the point that we now need to vet some of these calls have 2 or 3 reports that are not too bad.

The only worry i would have if a positive report was false and it resulted in someone having something bad happen but less serious reports could be fine but it would make Client Eyes admin probably a bit of a nightmare. It could be women arguing that someone is fine but not with them they were not.

Or maybe a long term established member of CE could give a positive if CE thinks there report history shows they seem trustworthy.

I am not sure what the solution is to be honest.

I only report deposit refusal if they have blatantly tried to get around it, applied pressure along with other out of order or TW behaviour. For example someone poured compliments at me, said they'd researched, knew my requirements, have old fashioned respect, spent time discussing a BDSM session then admitted they hoped I'd make an exception re the deposit. They also at the same time turned up on other platforms/social media. I am very upfront about deposits, giving the enquirer plenty of opportunity to decline and find someone else. Ifsomeone starts arguing about it it's likely I'll report them.

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« Reply #1053 on: 08 November 2023, 02:28:51 am »
I too see clients with reports who have turned out to be absolutely lovely men, from men with hygiene issues that they seem to have resolved to "look and go". I try to avoid the most dangerous reports, but why can't you add an update of, for example: November 2023, the client appeared clean.?

You can keep the old reports and allow perhaps one or two positive updates depending on the case. And from that point, each lady can make a decision with all the information about whether she will accept a reservation or not.
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« Reply #1054 on: 08 November 2023, 08:21:40 am »
And what about when positives start being abused as it 100% would be? I mean Clients are already finding out what's being said and when because it's well known girls do things for them...
Allowing positives can put people in danger.. its your choice if you see all the negatives and decide to go with a booking or not.
You can't say someone's reports aren't true or valid, you only know they didn't behave that way with just you.

I'd stop using Client eye if it allowed positives, waaay more likely to be abused.

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« Reply #1055 on: 08 November 2023, 08:42:19 am »
In the beginning, Client Eye was a great program.  Today, unfortunately, it has only become a secondary, supplementary function.  The reason for this is the girls who did not respect discretion and told the men. As a result, they often change their phone numbers.  Something about exaggerated reports.  Now there is almost no customer who does not have a report.
 Positive feedback doesn't necessarily help either.  After all, if it is possible to give a false negative, then it is also possible to give a false positive.But the biggest problem is play store restriction.  Because of this, client eye does not show reports in real time.  If someone calls me, I have to wait for them to finish the call.. Then I can enter the application and see if the caller has a report.  Usually this is 1-2 minutes.  After I call the customer back or send him an SMS, his interest is no longer relevant.
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« Reply #1056 on: 08 November 2023, 09:32:42 am »
I want to add that many men who contact me do not have reports, including many regulars so I have not yet experienced the 'every caller has a report scenario' many do not.

What I do find reassuring is when say I have experienced someone as difficult, rude etc, but their AW feedback is good - to then look again (or they contact me again) to see reports that others have found him difficult. This backs up my experience, I feel validated, I am also sad others have had to experience the same. One reason I doubt myself is because some enquirers as well as some people on a review site have said I am rude, I am sometimes rude but much of the time I am incredibly patient and this has been said to me by someone close to me who has heard my end of calls either from the next room or because I relate my frustration!

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« Reply #1057 on: 08 November 2023, 10:27:36 am »
Another example is a report of a guy with a cheesy cock posted back in 2019.

Seriously? If people are really posting warnings about stuff like this and the warnings are being allowed then the only ones destroying any shred of credibility this app ever had are it's users. And I don't mean the ones who told punters about it (about whom everybody is whinging while posting on their lengthy advertising thread which THEY started on a well known public internet forum).

We get moaned at here occasionally for not approving warnings which don't constitute any sort of threat to anybody. This sort of stupid shit, which should be dealt with in the room so the punter knows in no uncertain terms what the problem is and has the chance to put it right, is exactly the reason we don't.

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« Reply #1058 on: 08 November 2023, 10:36:51 am »
I have men that i have seen several times over 2 years with no reports. Sometimes it depends on the day as loads of calls all have reports and unless you take a few chances you have no work.

What has changed which was bound to happen is that 2 or 3 years ago CE did all the vetting for us, as soon as we see the report we do not answer. Now days we have to vet and speak to someone if they got 2 or 3 reports for non serious things and see what we think. There is timewasters and no shows that turn up occassionly but other times do not turn up i seen that with a few that turned up for me but then became very unreliable.

I know some women have abused CE but lets still remember it's a great app and i am still grateful it exists especially for the dangerous reports or the fantasists callers who have like 15 reports which saves me even speaking to those freaks and having them not turn up.

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« Reply #1059 on: 08 November 2023, 10:41:47 am »
Now days we have to vet and speak to someone if they got 2 or 3 reports for non serious things and see what we think.

But that is our JOB. Nobody should be doing 'all the vetting' for us; the above is basically exactly how people used to talk about AW feedback.

Nobody wants to take responsibility for anything. If a punter turns up at mine filthy and stinking, I have the option to get him washed and clean to an acceptable level or ask him to leave. I don't expect a heads up about it beforehand because how he was previously is irrelevant, and more importantly it doesn't affect the situation at all when he's standing in my flat.

The news that some women are now earning less thanks to this app boils my piss, tbh. There are people posting on this thread who don't have the benefit that years of screening experience brings, and the idea that they'll miss out on cash they might desperately need because they're under the mistaken belief that their instincts aren't enough is appalling.

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« Reply #1060 on: 08 November 2023, 10:44:12 am »
Seriously? If people are really posting warnings about stuff like this and the warnings are being allowed then the only ones destroying any shred of credibility this app ever had are it's users. And I don't mean the ones who told punters about it (about whom everybody is whinging while posting on their lengthy advertising thread which THEY started on a well known public internet forum).

We get moaned at here occasionally for not approving warnings which don't constitute any sort of threat to anybody. This sort of stupid shit, which should be dealt with in the room so the punter knows in no uncertain terms what the problem is and has the chance to put it right, is exactly the reason we don't.

I know what you mean but i have had a couple of smelly nightmares before that do deserve a warning one was shit all around his arse all over the sheets and all over the towels and it was very bad, this ruined my next booking as could not see them and another guy had the worst crusty cheese i ever seen in my life it was like a whole tub of cottage cheese had been put down there and he was trying to say it was normal.

But to be honest it is very rare to see reports on CE for bad smells i only seen maybe 2 or 3 in 3 years.

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« Reply #1061 on: 08 November 2023, 11:17:13 am »
Seriously? If people are really posting warnings about stuff like this and the warnings are being allowed then the only ones destroying any shred of credibility this app ever had are it's users. And I don't mean the ones who told punters about it (about whom everybody is whinging while posting on their lengthy advertising thread which THEY started on a well known public internet forum).

We get moaned at here occasionally for not approving warnings which don't constitute any sort of threat to anybody. This sort of stupid shit, which should be dealt with in the room so the punter knows in no uncertain terms what the problem is and has the chance to put it right, is exactly the reason we don't.

I 100% agree with this. Gut instinct and screening are vital. CE has no credibility anymore. I’ll happily see the clients others don’t want to see like the lovely client I had this morning who works for the military and had a CE for being a junkie. Seriously!

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« Reply #1062 on: 08 November 2023, 11:24:09 am »
But that is our JOB. Nobody should be doing 'all the vetting' for us; the above is basically exactly how people used to talk about AW feedback.

Nobody wants to take responsibility for anything. If a punter turns up at mine filthy and stinking, I have the option to get him washed and clean to an acceptable level or ask him to leave. I don't expect a heads up about it beforehand because how he was previously is irrelevant, and more importantly it doesn't affect the situation at all when he's standing in my flat.

The news that some women are now earning less thanks to this app boils my piss, tbh. There are people posting on this thread who don't have the benefit that years of screening experience brings, and the idea that they'll miss out on cash they might desperately need because they're under the mistaken belief that their instincts aren't enough is appalling.

Absolutely. After 10 years in the business I don’t need an app to screen for me especially when it’s full of crap reports like cheesy cocks or ‘he gave me bad vibes.’ Even Look and Go’s are sometimes warranted as they visit ladies who are clearly not the same person in the picture. We know this happens.
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« Reply #1063 on: 08 November 2023, 11:31:32 am »
I have received 3 clients through the application who had a look and go report with the reason that "he says I am not the girl in the photos.

Well, the 3 of them stayed and were lovely. It appears that the girls were not the women in the photos or that their photos were not accurate.
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« Reply #1064 on: 09 November 2023, 07:57:37 am »
We have read all the previous comments and waited a day before replying to ensure we answered as many points as possible

We will never allow positive reporting on ClientEye, no other reporting system does this, including Saafe or NUM,  our reasons being already explained in regard to possible coercion, and the possibility of fake positive reports being made, which we believe are more dangerous to users than any fake negative reports could be.

We have never professed to be a replacement for a user's other screening methods, i.e. experience or gut feeling, and have always stated, that users should use their own judgment when reading reports.

We are not judge and jury when it comes to what a user believes to be report worthy, whilst a cheesy nob may not be report worthy to you, it may be report worthy to others, similarly reading a report of this nature may not affect your decision to see a client but for others it may. We are all about giving users as much information as possible regarding a client's past behavior. A cheesy nob from 2019 may not affect your decision to see a client but we guarantee, if you see the report, you will be looking for it if they visit.

To give some stats, we received about 14,000-15,000 reports a month, that's 400-500 reports a day, this is far far greater than any other reporting system, ranging from look and go, hygiene (cheesy nob), call/sms pest to being robbed, raped & attacked, we deliver 500,000 report notifications per month, of those notifications 62% return 0 reports, 16% return 1 report and 22% return 2 or more reports.

As to fake negative reports, every system will have genuine users who spoil it for others by exaggerating or making false claims, we try to weed these out as best we can, the issue is, we are not there when the issue happens so how can we know 100% know the truth. Saying "I have seen the client and he's not like that with me" means nothing, just because he is not like that with you does not mean he is not like that with others. A rapist is no less of a rapist because he never raped you.

We look for fake/false reporting every day, we look at a users past reports to see if they have a pattern of what could be seen as fake reporting, if you report being attacked 3 times a day 7 days a week for 3 months the chances are it will come to our attention and we will act upon it, we also have the ability for users to flag reports to us if they believe something is not right with a report and we have missed it, these too are looked at every day.

We know some replies may say "what about this" or "what about that" but it's very simple, If you find no value in using our apps then you have the choice not to, we are an aid, nothing more.

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