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General Category => Sex Work Projects => Topic started by: CLiCK.Scot on 16 December 2019, 02:38:52 pm
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Hello everyone - We are really excited to introduce ourselves and are looking forward to getting to know some of you better in the future. We are a new Scottish support service called CLiCK for women selling or exchanging sex online in Scotland. We can provide support all across Scotland and not just in the big cities.
- Confidential and anonymous online chat support with a trained Women’s Worker (available Mon, Tue, Thur & Fri from 11am – 1pm)
- Personalised one-to-one support across Scotland
- Interactive map of local support services found on our website
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You can find out more about us and our services on our website [removed]. Our services are strictly confidential – we do not and cannot collect information on anyone who uses our services unless they provide it willingly.
If you have any questions, want to find out more about the services we offer or just want to have a general chat, please get in touch via our website and online chat – we'd love to hear from you!
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*Festive Opening Times*
Hello everyone, just wanted to let you know about our opening times over the Christmas period. Our online chat service will be available 20th, 23rd, 24th, 27th, 30th, 31st of December and 3rd of January between 11am and 1pm. If you need support in the run up to Christmas or just someone to chat to, we are here for you [removed]
We’ve also added a ‘Christmas Support’ category on our local support map where you can find services in your area who are offering festive food, community events and much more! Find the local support map here:
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Have a safe and happy holidays,
The CLiCK Team
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Can you confirm that no decrim supporting orgs of sex worker led orgs are involved in this?
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Can you confirm that no decrim supporting orgs of sex worker led orgs are involved in this?
Hi MsRedhead, thanks for your question. We are a partnership of organisations based across Scotland with a long history of supporting women involved in selling or exchanging sex. There’s lots more information on each of our partner organisations on our website here: [removed]
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Hi MsRedhead, thanks for your question. We are a partnership of organisations based across Scotland with a long history of supporting women involved in selling or exchanging sex. There’s lots more information on each of our partner organisations on our website here: [removed]
yes, none of those orgs are sex worker led and none of them support full decriminalisation. Most of them support the Nordic model and exit only
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yes, none of those orgs are sex worker led and none of them support full decriminalisation. Most of them support the Nordic model and exit only
Our partnership is led by the needs of each individual woman who accesses our service and we are there to support each woman's health and well-being by supporting the choices that she makes for herself. We want to reassure you that all support we provide is completely non-judgemental and led by you and the priorities you identify for yourself.
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yes, but every org supports and lobbies for a law that harms sex workers (and doesn't even recognise us as workers).
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Hi everyone,
After chatting to you here on SAAFE we just wanted to tell you a little more about who we are and the values behind our service.
We are an approachable and non-judgemental team of experienced women’s workers based all over Scotland – right from the Borders to Aberdeen and the Highlands. We can provide online or face-to-face support to any woman who sells or exchanges sex online in Scotland. The support is entirely led by you, your needs and the priorities you identify for yourself. This can be emotional support, information on local services or anything in between. We want to reassure you that we will in no way force or pressure you to stop selling sex, but if that is something you are considering we will support you throughout.
We’re always happy to chat about our service, the support we offer and how your voices can play a key role in our development. Please do get in touch via our website: click.scot/voice/
Hope to chat with you soon,
The CLiCK Team
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Can you please just make it clear that all the orgs involved support the nordic model and therefore work against our interests? If Scottish workers are looking for sex worker led organisations, scot pep and umbrella lane are peer led and support our rights
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Click there are sex workers in Scotland who have stopped going to a clinic that displayed your artwork, because it implied that violence against women was the fault of sex work. You can't support us by stigmatising us, and so far you have done more harm than good.
If you don't support full decrim or workers rights for sex workers then you can't advocate for us or offer the right kind of support no matter how 'non-judgemental' you say you are.
I second what MsRedhead says and would encourage people in need of support to contact Umbrella Lane or Scotpep, who offer much more in terms of practical and emotional support than you can.
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Exactly, saying you are "non judgmental" implies that you think that we should be grateful that you aren't judging us. It makes me feel ill that your project has £1m of funding when sex worker led groups have a fraction of that money
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It makes me feel ill that your project has £1m of funding when sex worker led groups have a fraction of that money
I'll take your 'sex worker led groups' fraction and raise you sweet fuck all, otherwise known as the funding that SAAFE gets.
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Exactly, saying you are "non judgmental" implies that you think that we should be grateful that you aren't judging us. It makes me feel ill that your project has £1m of funding when sex worker led groups have a fraction of that money
Honestly i am so fed up of do-gooders waltzing in and deciding they're going to save all of us, despite having absolutely no idea about the industry. Their arrogance is breathtaking.
If Click have a genuine desire to help and support sex workers the absolute best thing they can do is shut themselves down and make sure their funding goes to the services which have been helping sex workers for years. I'm guessing that won't happen though, because their aim is not to support us, but to get us to 'exit' whether we like it or not.
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I'll take your 'sex worker led groups' fraction and raise you sweet fuck all, otherwise known as the funding that SAAFE gets.
And yet somehow these organisations manage to provide more than 8 hours of support a week.
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Is this run by Sacro?
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Is this run by Sacro?
Yes
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Surprise surprise. They are at a pro NM conference in Glasgow today
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Thank you all for your comments. We are always open to listening to feedback on our service from women with lived experience and want to assure you that your comments are being taken onboard. Our support is available as and when a woman feels they may need it and is entirely led by their needs. We do not assume anything about the women we work with and will in no way pressure you to stop selling sex. Our aim is to support you to be safe and to exercise choice based on your rights. We will support you whether you choose to continue selling/exchanging sex or whether you choose to exit. We are actively engaging with other women’s rights, women’s health and wellbeing services across Scotland to ensure there is a range of opportunities for the needs of women to be met.
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But you are still lobbying for laws that harm us!
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The poster has provided contact details so anybody who wants to may continue along the same lines in an appropriate setting. This section of the SAAFE Forum is not an appropriate setting.
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I've unlocked and tidied this and the haranguing is going to stop - this is not the place for placard-waving and it is indescribably tedious to read. Some people might find a source of support useful or not, but random members here don't get to decide that for them, and there will not be any further drumbanging on this or any similar thread.
That said, another thing which is going to stop is Click.Scot's membership of this forum unless you clearly and specifically clarify your position on the Nordic Model and the criminalisation of punters with your next post, which will be made in a timely, concise and unequivocal way. In your own time.
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Click is a partnership service and each of our individual partners have clearly stated positions on their views of the sex industry. However, Click is more than the sum of our partners. We are a pilot project working in partnership with women to understand their needs and to develop and deliver innovative services that meet those needs and are accessible for all.
We are not a political or lobbying group, an exiting service or a campaigning organisation. We recognise and completely respect that some women choose to sell or exchange sex in person, online or both, but for many women this is not a choice.
Our overarching view is that the sex industry can be very harmful for women and that this harm can come from a range of sources: men who overstep boundaries and cause physical and psychological harm; a lack of specialist support; stigma and discrimination; a lack of understanding of women’s experience, among others.
We understand that our service may not be right for all of the women who engage with SAAFE, but we appreciate the opportunity to share the support we offer with those who may need it. We are here for anyone who would like to share their views and experience, who would like to be involved in what we do or who would like to access our support. If you would like to chat further we are always happy to engage constructively via [removed]
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Yes, we're all aware that the sex industry is no different to any other sector in that there are corners of it which are unscrupulous and exploitative, which is why there are laws in place to cover rape and sexual assault, child abuse, false imprisonment, incitement and so on which protect those who may be vulnerable to these things.
The difference is that nobody is trying to get farming or factories banned because it would be crazy to destroy an entire, legitimate industry for the sake of some who have nothing to do with it, and are already operating outside the law - that is the concern of people here. There are people here who love their job and others who loathe it, but they all still chose to do it, and nobody here is likely to be working against their will (or they would be unlikely to have free access to the internet, either). I hated every second of being a barmaid, but I still chose to do that too.
Anyway, I obviously wasn't clear enough, so I'll reword my question: do/does you/your organisation support the criminalisation of the purchase of sex rather than decriminalisation of our work and proper application of the existing laws I've mentioned to punish only the wrongdoers rather than all of us? A yes or a no will do fine.
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Although we do not lobby or campaign, if required to choose, CLiCK would support Nordic model. The service we offer is in no way influenced by political opinions and we are here for anyone who would like to share their views and experiences or access our support.
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Well there is it everyone, no hiding it now.
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Although we do not lobby or campaign, if required to choose, CLiCK would support Nordic model. The service we offer is in no way influenced by political opinions and we are here for anyone who would like to share their views and experiences or access our support.
You know you guys put us between a rock and a hard place with this. These views make people wary of you and the women's clinic.
Not sure how many times it has to be said. :FF
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You know you guys put us between a rock and a hard place with this.
Not here they don't, or not anymore.
We're currently only accepting adverts from projects that are part of the UKNSWP. If your project is not part of the network but you think your ethos fits with ours, you can email us to discuss it.
The UKNSWP has been completely rejigged since this board was set up, but the above still stands. Abolitionists, their advocates and their supporters are not and will never be welcome here.
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