Author Topic: An 'agency' of independent girls (Read 7081 times)

xw5 · « **Reply #15 on:** 22 August 2011, 10:08:27 pm »

Quote from: freyja.g on 22 August 2011, 11:57:59 am

.. possibly even google pay-per-click ads ..

.. possibly hiring a flat together for incalls ..

.. We would all pay a set sum each month to cover the costs (rather than a percentage of our earnings) ..

If I were spending four figures on an escorting website, I would want one at least as flashy and unique as the DollyMop Files.

You'd have to be fairly sneaky with the ads - most of the obvious words are excluded from GoogleAds now.

The big downside that no-one's yet mentioned is that you will certainly all end up on the wrong side of the brothel laws. Depending on just how it's set up, some of you would be on the wrong side of the 'controlling for gain' agency ones too. ('Control' doesn't have to mean making people do stuff, but includes something as simple as telling someone about a booking for them!)

As Friday said, this sort of flat fee arrangement can quickly lead to arguments about fairness.

Quote from: Kitana on 22 August 2011, 03:10:43 pm

Will we cook them a hearty meal before they leave?

I do know someone who was considering a 'cook you a good meal, then have great sex' service and I still think it'd be a good way of standing out in a very crowded market.

Kiko · « **Reply #16 on:** 22 August 2011, 10:50:50 pm »

I actually do cook for one of my regulars! Thats why he's my regular! Haha! Its only because he's kinda old and looks a bit malnourished - probably because he spends most of his money booking me instead of buying food...!
So it definately works! More so in his case because he always gives me a few days notice!

freyja.g · « **Reply #17 on:** 22 August 2011, 11:35:34 pm »

Quote from: xw5 on 22 August 2011, 10:08:27 pm

The big downside that no-one's yet mentioned is that you will certainly all end up on the wrong side of the brothel laws. Depending on just how it's set up, some of you would be on the wrong side of the 'controlling for gain' agency ones too. ('Control' doesn't have to mean making people do stuff, but includes something as simple as telling someone about a booking for them!)

I don't think the brothel thing applies - the idea was to rent a flat that various girls can occasionally use for incalls (instead all paying full rent for a working flat of their own). Therefore there'd never be more than one girl in the flat, and most of the time the flat would be empty.

The law says that "Premises which are frequented by men for intercourse with only one woman are not a brothel,[11] and this is so whether she is a tenant or not." (By the way I think this means any flat where you do a threesome booking is technically a brothel!)

I don't think the controlling bit applies either. That legal definition has two parts:

"(1) A person commits an offence if?
(a) he intentionally controls any of the activities of another person relating to that person?s prostitution in any part of the world, and
(b) he does so for or in the expectation of gain for himself or a third person."

First of all, I don't think anyone would be controlling the others - definitely less so than in a traditional agency! Surely one is legally allowed to hire a PA to answer queries and take booking requests (which the escort can then take or not)? It can't be that the PA who is paid to do so is actually controlling their employer? And the second part of the legal definition definitely doesn't apply.

Cesca · « **Reply #18 on:** 22 August 2011, 11:37:15 pm »

Sounds like a good idea. But most escorts are unreliable to meet up and have problems with time keeping. I have met many in the past, trying to set up businesses with other escorts and tried to do business plans and failed to work out. You will need to get to know them properly as what Emily Jones was saying, before you go ahead with anything.

If you really want to go in business with a group of escorts and you want trust, you should ask to see their I.D and you show them yours, so that you both know that you are serious about being in partnership with eachother. Least that will show that they are serious about going ahead. As that is what I would do.

I thought about that idea at first, but you do need money to help you at first. I don't believe you need to spend ?1,500 on a website, there are plenty of adult website designers out there which don't cost the earth! html sites are better than flash websites, as many people use Firefox browser as it is secure than Internet Explorer. Moonfruit is good with I.E but not with Safari or Firefox as those browsers do not support flash. You could design one yourself, but you would have to get some books on html and javascript to start you up. It is quite time consuming, but if you have time it's good to learn the basics pretty quick.

I have learnt over the years that charging higher prices doesn't exactly mean you will get the work at ?300 per hour, I had always thought 'gosh I could earn lots of money just charging that per hour' wrong! most girls who charge higher prices will get about 1-2 clients per week, as they will have part-time jobs around escorting. Agencies might charge ?300-700 per hour doesn't mean girls earn it. Agencies will have different clients who will only see escorts who work with an agency and men who go to Independents will sometimes prefer indys as they know where their money is going to and not to a big organisation.

Yes some men do like educated girls and well spoken ladies, but not all who advertise to be highclass are ! it's just a way of marketing yourself to attract high clientelle. I believe there is no such thing as 'high class' girls because most of them are not. You will probably get the odd one or two which are, but majority are just normal girls from normal backgrounds. Men get turned on by the thought of a high class escort, look at Heather Mills, she was one, but she wasn't high class in means of well spoken, she wasn't rough ofcourse but she was just a lady who charged high prices. And married someone rich.

Well that's my thoughts anyway. x

Your Tera · « **Reply #19 on:** 22 August 2011, 11:47:21 pm »

Perhaps a way around this would be for you NOT to hire a PA, but for everyone to take and manage their own bookings...you could set up a shared calendar so that everyone could know when which rooms were booked or each take a select number of days. No admin, no outside help (but for the cleaner

) and you may have sidestepped that--but don't quote me!

And as for what EmilyJones and Cesca said, you would need to vet these girls as much as you'd vet anyone you were about to share any sort of residence with (even part-time.) Perhaps what you should do first is reach out to some of the women on here whose posts you like and try to get to know some of them. Then start with a hotel suite for a weekend...

As for the website... you can do it yourself but you can also advertise directly on AW as a group...or not... no one needs to know. There's no need to spend that kind of time or money unless you really do want to give off the impression of a parlour or brothel (which gets you into sticky wickets) because you think the potential clients will be attracted to that. And I have no idea what the statistics are for that...

But as an old and seasoned woman who worked for her share of startup companies in past life, I say start with finding women you like and trust. Then follow with occasionally booking a hotel suite or a multi-room apartment for a week. Then, take it from there. If you see that you're getting clientele who might like the idea of being able to use plastic and book through an official venue, then go for it... but take it one step at a time.

I concur on the pricing things that Cesca mentioned...I charge probably too much for my "official" experience but I also only do this part-time. I priced myself wayyyy too high when I first got on and got nothing. I think that you have to build a clientele and a reputation before you can go too high. Now, you don't have to charge ?30 either...there's a happy medium.

xw5 · « **Reply #20 on:** 23 August 2011, 12:58:34 am »

Quote from: freyja.g on 22 August 2011, 11:35:34 pm

I don't think the brothel thing applies - the idea was to rent a flat that various girls can occasionally use for incalls (instead all paying full rent for a working flat of their own). Therefore there'd never be more than one girl in the flat, and most of the time the flat would be empty.

Alas for the plan, when it talks about 'only one' it means ever, not at any one time. (Obviously having a different person in 2011 from the one who was there in 2010 would be seen as ok, but not, for example, a different person Monday/Tuesday or this week/last week.) I know someone who was prosecuted for running a brothel because they sublet their working flat to someone on their day off.

Yep, lots and lots of places are brothels, particularly as it doesn't have to involve intercourse and money doesn't have to change hands.

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Surely one is legally allowed to hire a PA to answer queries and take booking requests (which the escort can then take or not)? It can't be that the PA who is paid to do so is actually controlling their employer? And the second part of the legal definition definitely doesn't apply.

The PA tells the escort about a booking somewhere and the escort goes there - that's control. (It's one of the examples in the explanatory notes to the Sexual Offences Act 2003!)

The PA gets money for doing that - that's gain.

I don't say that sex work law makes sense, but that's currently the situation.

xw5 · « **Reply #21 on:** 23 August 2011, 01:14:38 am »

I can agree with most of what was said in this post but...

Quote from: Cesca on 22 August 2011, 11:37:15 pm

Moonfruit is good with I.E but not with Safari or Firefox as those browsers do not support flash.

.. yes they do. The 'mobile' version of Safari on the iPhone/iPad doesn't, but that's one reason why Apple's Steve Jobs has been described as a greedy control freak.

amy · « **Reply #22 on:** 23 August 2011, 01:28:58 am »

Quote from: xw5 on 23 August 2011, 01:14:38 am

The 'mobile' version of Safari on the iPhone/iPad doesn't, but that's one reason why Apple's Steve Jobs has been described as a greedy control freak.

To be fair, that particular list of reasons is not short.

AngelaManchester · « **Reply #23 on:** 23 August 2011, 10:57:20 am »

Quote from: freyja.g on 22 August 2011, 11:57:59 am

Hi ladies,

I'm new to the business, and I've been thinking about whether or not to keep doing this independently or to join an agency. A couple of weeks ago I came up with an idea that I think is pretty ingenious; I was thinking or creating a kind of 'collective' of girls (5-7 of us) that'd allow us to could get all the pros of an agency without having to give hard-earned to anyone else.

This is what I had in mind:
- a joint website with profiles for all of us (and all sharing the cost of creating it and paying for SEO and possibly even google pay-per-click ads)
- jointly hiring a (part or full time) PA to take calls and arrange bookings for us
- possibly hiring a flat together for incalls (atm I only do outcalls) as well as a cleaner to come in in between bookings
- the possibility of some of us offering duo bookings
- support, safety and friendship

We would all pay a set sum each month to cover the costs (rather than a percentage of our earnings) - probably around ?500. The initial costs would prob be around ?1500 for the website, a deposit for the flat.

I'd like to do this with girls who are different in terms of looks, likes, and personalities - but similar to me in many ways: degree-educated (or able to blag it by being intelligent and good conversationalists), genuinely enjoy what they do, charging fairly high fees. This is not because I think I'm in some way superior to other kinds of WGs but because I think it makes more sense to have girls that are branding themselves similarly for reasons of marketing & advertising! I'm currently at ?250 ph, ?400 for 2h but plan to increase this too 300/500 when I have a pro website etc so it'd be great if you'd charge fairly similar rates.

If anyone's interested, let me know. I'm hoping we could meet up in a couple of weeks time for a coffee to chat about this.

Also, I'd be interested in hearing everyone's thoughts on an arrangement like this. Have you done something like this before? Do you think it's a good/bad idea for some reason?

Freyja x

You list the pros, but not the cons - have you carefully considered the cons?

Not to be rude, but you come across as rather naive.

(And can I just say that you should listen to what Ian (xw5) says re: the legalities - don't try to teach your grandmother how to suck eggs

)

amy · « **Reply #24 on:** 23 August 2011, 11:37:18 am »

Quote from: AngelaManchester on 23 August 2011, 10:57:20 am

You list the pros, but not the cons - have you carefully considered the cons?

Not to be rude, but you come across as rather naive.

(And can I just say that you should listen to what Ian (xw5) says re: the legalities - don't try to teach your grandmother how to suck eggs )

I agree - I don't have any agency experience (or a degree

), but even after thinking about it, I don't really understand what you are hoping to do - you can't have a website featuring multiple ladies and then bang on about how you're all independents and it isn't an agency because punters won't believe you, especially if they have to speak to a third party to book. They will think something funny is going on and I can't see the clients who only see indies being keen at all, especially not at those rates.

I can see why you would want to share a flat to split costs and provide company and security when needed as well as teaming up for two girl bookings, but surely that's a pretty run of the mill situation everywhere - charging extremely high rates doesn't make it not a working flat any more than it makes you not a prostitute, and there are thousands of both all over the country. Why the shared advertising when you could get a very swish website each to promote yourselves individually and (assuming there was only two or three of you) still have plenty of change from a grand?

Law-wise, it is worth thinking about what you would all do in the event that you were landed with a brothel keeping/assisting in management charge - whoever is on the lease in likely to be hit with the first one and everybody else with the second, as well as making it extremely clear to whoever you employ as your 'PA' that they are breaking the law on Controlling For Gain, and properly explaining the potential consequences (the maximum penalty is seven years, if you're interested). It would be downright irresponsible not to after all.

What do you hope to achieve with this that you can't do just as easily with an ordinary flat share? I just don't see it?

Cesca · « **Reply #25 on:** 23 August 2011, 01:07:43 pm »

Quote from: Cesca on 22 August 2011, 11:37:15 pm

Moonfruit is good with I.E but not with Safari or Firefox as those browsers do not support flash.

.. yes they do. The 'mobile' version of Safari on the iPhone/iPad doesn't, but that's one reason why Apple's Steve Jobs has been described as a greedy control freak.

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Ohh that's interesting, I never knew that, I don't have a iPhone so I wouldn't of known.

AngelEyes · « **Reply #26 on:** 07 September 2011, 06:41:08 pm »

Hello all,

I just thought I would add my own experience of working in such an environment. When I first started escorting I began with agency work as I wanted to get some experience etc. The second place I worked on was an incall place , which the lady running it termed a'parlour'. On the website were all the pictures and with every girl a statement that you could visit them at their own discreet apartment. This, of course was not the case.

The apartment I worked from had three girls, sometimes four working. In theory this sounds like a great idea as you think that your incall place is sorted plus security of other girls, cctv and security.

the downside is that all these girls were just thrown together. None of us had ever met and knew nothing about anyone. We had to work in close proximity for long hours; some us often stayed in the apartment to save on travelling.. this kind of environment made it it practically impossible to know who to trust

Some of the things that happened as follows:

One girl was driven to an outcall. She did not ring and emerge from the appointment at the time she was meant to. So her buddy, the brothel not parlour owner then rang her repeatedly leaving angry messages saying where are you this is unacceptable.e The driver is coming to the door to take your money NOW.

It turns out that this girl had had too much to drink. She and the client both refused to open the door. Anyway, the girl was later found wandering around outside and the police turned up and took her to a police station. here she was met with by the agency driver and a very angry'boss' . She was driven home, her earnings were taken off her.

She was so angry at this that she outed the owner who of course was controlling for gain. That in call apartment was shut down as well.

There were also instances of money going missing. I live in a shared accommodation hence why I cannot t do incalls here and things get taken from the fridge. how would you feel if that was your hard earned money?

Plus, what if the place got outed or here was a report of control to gain? Could you really trust the other girls to cover your ass?

Personally, I would take everybody else's advice. Meet one or two girls privately on a one to one get to know them and then take it from there. Yes it is possible to make friends in this business and find people to work with that you trust. But throwing yourself and others in at the deep end is not IMO the right way.

I would agree that having your own personal adverts and websites are the best way. that way you really can claim that you are independent without it being. lie and with no comeback. I understand that you may wish to share aflat due to money/security. But it is still possible to do this without setting up an 'agency'.

Good luck

Zahara · « **Reply #27 on:** 16 September 2011, 06:07:29 am »

Hi i think its a good idea but This is what I had in mind: - a joint website with profiles for all of us (and all sharingthe cost of creating itand paying for SEOand possibly even google pay-per-click ads) - jointly hiring a (part or full time) PAto take callsand arrange bookings for us - possibly hiring a flattogether for incalls (atm I only do outcalls) as well as a cleanerto come in in between bookings -the possibility of some of us offering duo bookings - support, safetyand friendship We would all pay a set sum each monthto coverthe costs (rather than a percentage of our earnings) - probably around ?500.The initial costs would prob be around ?1500 forthe website, a deposit forthe flat. I'd liketo do this with girls who are different in terms of looks, likes,and personalities - but similarto me in many ways: degree-educated (or ableto blag it by being intelligentand good conversationalists), genuinely enjoy whatthey do, charging fairly high fees. This is not because I thinkI'm in some way superiorto other kinds of WGs but because I think it makes more senseto have girls that are brandingthemselves similarly for reasons of marketing & advertising!I'm currently at ?250 ph, ?400 for 2h but planto increase thistoo 300/500 when I have a pro website etc so it'd be great if you'd charge fairly similar rates. If anyone's interested, let me know.I'm hoping we could meet up in a couple of weeks time for a coffeeto chat about this. Also, I'd be interested in hearing everyone's thoughts on an arrangement like this. Have you done something like this before? Do you think it's a good/bad idea for some reason? Freyja x [/quote] You listthe pros, but notthe cons - have you carefully consideredthe cons? Notto be rude, but you come across as rather naive. (And can I just say that you should listento what Ian (xw5) says re:the legalities - don't tryto teach your grandmother howto suck eggs

) [/quote]

Quote from: AngelaManchester on 23 August 2011, 10:57:20 am

Quote from: freyja.g on 22 August 2011, 11:57:59 am
Hi ladies,

I'm new to the business, and I've been thinking about whether or not to keep doing this independently or to join an agency. A couple of weeks ago I came up with an idea that I think is pretty ingenious; I was thinking or creating a kind of 'collective' of girls (5-7 of us) that'd allow us to could get all the pros of an agency without having to give hard-earned to anyone else.

This is what I had in mind:
- a joint website with profiles for all of us (and all sharing the cost of creating it and paying for SEO and possibly even google pay-per-click ads)
- jointly hiring a (part or full time) PA to take calls and arrange bookings for us
- possibly hiring a flat together for incalls (atm I only do outcalls) as well as a cleaner to come in in between bookings
- the possibility of some of us offering duo bookings
- support, safety and friendship

We would all pay a set sum each month to cover the costs (rather than a percentage of our earnings) - probably around ?500. The initial costs would prob be around ?1500 for the website, a deposit for the flat.

I'd like to do this with girls who are different in terms of looks, likes, and personalities - but similar to me in many ways: degree-educated (or able to blag it by being intelligent and good conversationalists), genuinely enjoy what they do, charging fairly high fees. This is not because I think I'm in some way superior to other kinds of WGs but because I think it makes more sense to have girls that are branding themselves similarly for reasons of marketing & advertising! I'm currently at ?250 ph, ?400 for 2h but plan to increase this too 300/500 when I have a pro website etc so it'd be great if you'd charge fairly similar rates.

If anyone's interested, let me know. I'm hoping we could meet up in a couple of weeks time for a coffee to chat about this.

Also, I'd be interested in hearing everyone's thoughts on an arrangement like this. Have you done something like this before? Do you think it's a good/bad idea for some reason?

Freyja x

You list the pros, but not the cons - have you carefully considered the cons?

Not to be rude, but you come across as rather naive.

(And can I just say that you should listen to what Ian (xw5) says re: the legalities - don't try to teach your grandmother how to suck eggs )

I agree with Angela on some extent that you do need to make notes of wot could be the downfall if everything were to go wrong and consider legalities.@Angela funny about the grandmother joke lol.

Have you added in extra cost of the actual amount needed?? to set this up,you will need extra backing if you are going to do this properly. So i'm suggesting if you would like my help please email me,you will find my email address on my profile.

Hope to hear from you

Zahara

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