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duskymaiden

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Who should foot the bill?
« on: 21 December 2011, 12:39:44 pm »
Hi guys, I have a query.  I have an outcall next Thursday in Derbyshire which was originally a two hour afternoon date.  Now the client is saying he has a xmas party on that day and how much would an evening(erm...how vague...now would that be three, four or maybe five hours sir...grrrr) with him be knowing that my rates are on my website and that my last train is before ten pm as I'm not a driver.  I was meant to see him a few weeks ago but wasn't well and he agreed to keep in touch but from his first contact he has been a bit of a pest by texting me and asking questions that he could have asked when we spoke.  Wanting to speak almost every week (he initally booked in September) Now, if I met him for say four hours at around 7 then I'd have to stay over in a guest house/hotel but if I do who would be responsible for paying?  Him or me.  I don't doubt his sincerity but at the moment he's slightly annoying me with all this contact and change of plan?

Thanks girlies in advance x

MissThang

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Re: Who should foot the bill?
« Reply #1 on: 21 December 2011, 01:12:56 pm »
It's entirely up to you - you can just tell him that the times he's requesting fall outside your usual modus operandi, so there will be an additional expenses charge of ?xx  (the hotel fee). I think rule of thumb in these cases is that if you make it sound absolutely standard, they go along with it happily, but if you sound like you're asking for something special, they might think you're ripping them off.


duskymaiden

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Re: Who should foot the bill?
« Reply #2 on: 21 December 2011, 01:31:04 pm »
Yes I agree with what you're saying about making things sound standard Miss Thang.  I mean originally he was asking for 2 ladies so the guy has spare cash.  I mean surely a room at bed and breakfast is less than paying fro two ladies?

MissThang

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Re: Who should foot the bill?
« Reply #3 on: 21 December 2011, 01:42:03 pm »
In any case, I'd have a deposit off him, cos he's pissed you about a bit already. The last thing you want is to end up out of pocket cos he wimps out of the booking, or gets trollied at his xmas party and just goes home!

duskymaiden

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Re: Who should foot the bill?
« Reply #4 on: 21 December 2011, 01:46:57 pm »
A good idea Miss Thang x

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Re: Who should foot the bill?
« Reply #5 on: 21 December 2011, 02:09:01 pm »
I definitely think he should foot the bill for the Hotel - and by that I mean you should take the money off him to cover it rather than let him know where you will be staying. I'd also be cautious about letting him know that you're travelling on your own to this Outcall (I'm assuming here?)  so be security minded and make sure you have a backup plan in case things go wrong.

Lastly though, and I'm sorry to say this, but when clients book miles in advance, when they want to talk constantly to refine the plans, when the requirements keep changing - these are all indications to me that the clients just getting off on talking to me and that come the actual booking he will disappear. I would highly recommend you get a deposit off him without delay to make sure he really is as sincere as you believe him to be.

Fingers crossed for you!
R xx

duskymaiden

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Re: Who should foot the bill?
« Reply #6 on: 21 December 2011, 02:21:51 pm »
Once again points taken Rooby. sound advice.  Thanks again  Hope this won't scare him off asking for a deposit when I didn't previously

strawberry

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Re: Who should foot the bill?
« Reply #7 on: 21 December 2011, 03:01:22 pm »
It's simple, tell him you can't do the booking because it's after the last train back. The ball is then in his court to suggest a solution which could be;

(a) He pays for a taxi back
(b) He pays for a hotel room for you
(c) He suggests you meet in the middle and negotiate an overnight with him

The latter could result in both of you coming to a mutually beneficial agreement.

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Re: Who should foot the bill?
« Reply #8 on: 21 December 2011, 03:02:56 pm »
Once again points taken Rooby. sound advice.  Thanks again  Hope this won't scare him off asking for a deposit when I didn't previously

It only need be ?10-20 and you can remind him that it's only because you want to take his appointment seriously, as you're sure he would like you to, too. :)

(I personally agree with Rooby and think he will vanish when you ask for a deposit, but it's much better to know that he's a timewaster before you go travelling hundreds of miles for nothing! To be honest, he's likely already had a ton of fun and excitement texting you and pestering you for weeks so don't be surprised if he literally disappears once you get serious. Don't think you've done anything wrong; quite the opposite would be true, in fact!)
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ladyjennaj

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Re: Who should foot the bill?
« Reply #9 on: 21 December 2011, 03:31:01 pm »
He should totally give you a deposit and pay for the hotel  :o

duskymaiden

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Re: Who should foot the bill?
« Reply #10 on: 21 December 2011, 03:35:09 pm »
Well girls your points are very valid and so help him god if he's a timewaster. he lives in Derbyshire and  doesn't sound like a nice country gent and to be honest I wasn't really looking forward to seeing him anyway so will let you know how things pan out.

You've been really helpful ladies.   ::) ::) ::) xx

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Re: Who should foot the bill?
« Reply #11 on: 21 December 2011, 04:14:14 pm »
I'm obviously on my own here, but I don't see why the client should pay for the hotel at all? I often take extended evening and dinner bookings and my fees are set to cover the costs which I incur when accepting these bookings - if I can't spare fifty quid or so for a budget room out of the fee for a lengthy appointment (which is going to be ?400 at the very least) then I wouldn't do them. What arrangements I make get to a booking and what I do after I leave it are nobody's concern but my own - I would only expect the client to pay for things that came up during the paid time (dinner, drinks, gig tickets or whatever).

I do have a minimum booking duration based on distance, which applies anywhere outside my home town and works on a sliding scale depending on the time it takes me to get there (and also the time of day - I don't drive either and if I can't get a driver I have to leave early too, so I do sympathise about the trains stopping early) but I would never have the nerve to start asking for more money on top of this. I have plenty of clients who regularly travel on business to meet customers and it is their own company which pays for the hotel - to expect their customers to be responsible for this (or to even know where they were staying) would be ridiculous.

I do agree that a deposit is necessary and also that this is all hypothetical as this one is clearly a fantasist anyway (and please also read this thread, just in case), but this should come out of the fee IMO, not be added on. Anybody can charge what they want for anything, but if you are going to charge people extra for travel and so on, I would recommend making it very clear on your site.

duskymaiden

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Re: Who should foot the bill?
« Reply #12 on: 21 December 2011, 04:31:11 pm »
I was initially looking for a budget room to be fair Amy as I felt a bit cheeky asking for him to pay.  He is not the Mr Ward scammer btw. I take your point. I do state that I charge travel fees for certain distances on my website but I had already pointed out that I would be better seeing him in the day when he is off work as he works shifts as my last train home is before ten xx

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Re: Who should foot the bill?
« Reply #13 on: 21 December 2011, 04:38:49 pm »
I was initially looking for a budget room to be fair Amy as I felt a bit cheeky asking for him to pay.  He is not the Mr Ward scammer btw. I take your point. I do state that I charge travel fees for certain distances on my website but I had already pointed out that I would be better seeing him in the day when he is off work as he works shifts as my last train home is before ten xx

I didn't think it sounded that much like him either, but since the area's the same and he was messing about I thought it was worth you looking just to be on the safe side :). And I know what you mean - the nearest places I regularly get asked to visit are Leeds (last train back here is twenty to ten, so any booking really has to finish by nine unless it's practically next door to the station) and York (last train back ten past ten, so again no good for anything more than a couple of hours in the hotel and then off).

I always check the usual chains like Ibis and Premier Inn as well as Laterooms, but I have found that it can be as cheap to get a taxi home if you prebook it (for anything up to about an hour's drive away, at least). If it benefits you more to get home that night so you're not having to do it all in the morning it's well worth ringing round your local taxi offices and enquiring about distance pickups, plus they will ring you when they're here so you get to leave on time without hassle too.

duskymaiden

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Re: Who should foot the bill?
« Reply #14 on: 21 December 2011, 06:53:52 pm »
Yes I'm looking into cheap guest houses but like you say a cab home may indeed be cheaper or the same and as I'm a poor sleeper I like my own bed and hate overnights and hotel rooms where business people are making noises and up and about at 6 a.m when I've sometimes had little or no sleep Amy xx