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General Category => Questions and Answers => Topic started by: Ana66 on 20 July 2021, 04:47:06 pm
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Hi everyone,
When you get a potential new client, I was wondering if some of you were asking for a video call or for some pictures before meeting ? I personally feel that doing a video call can be useful in terms of "personality assessment' to see if the client seems serious or not.
Thanks for your help
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No never i don't want them seeing my face before a booking especially if they might record it.
So for me it's a no for discretion.
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No for me. Blokes can be very convincing on the phone, on video call, in person. Ive been fooled before, and I've been at this for years.
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ok so then do you do a voice call ? I mean what if let's say that you really don't like the client's appearance (I mean let's be honest if he is really really disgusting or if for some ethnicity reasons it cannot work (no offense)). How do you deal with the pre meeting screening ?
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No, never.
I stipulate all contact by is written communication only. I find men show me exactly who they are this way. I have a contact form on my website and find that those who provide all the information I request are fine. However, those who skip information, don't want to supply screening info or those who disregard the contact form and email me directly are always time wasters.
In my experience, a serious client will give me all the information (including screening info) I need at the first point of contact and without me having to tease it out of him. Those who are still not forthcoming after their third message are blocked.
I must ask, why do you want a picture of a potential client in order to assess them? What will that bring to the table?
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OP what info do you think youd get from pics?
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What does your client screening includes ? I would prefer asking clients for a picture mainly for ethnicity reasons (I have nothing against black and middle eastern men but they have a reputation of being violent and some past experience of mine have confirmed this information)
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ok so then do you do a voice call ? I mean what if let's say that you really don't like the client's appearance (I mean let's be honest if he is really really disgusting or if for some ethnicity reasons it cannot work (no offense)). How do you deal with the pre meeting screening ?
If you do not want to see certain ethnicities, state it clearly on your profile or website. State that hygiene is of paramount importance (if that is what you mean by a client being disgusting).
Your profile should be written to attract the clients you want and to repel those you do not want. Make your expectations clear regarding the kind of men you will be happy to meet and those you will not.
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Yes I understand but what if despite the information available on your website (mainly concerning ethnicity), some people don't care and would still try anyways and without picture you have no clue of how the person looks like, maybe I'm wrong I don't know
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ok so then do you do a voice call ? I mean what if let's say that you really don't like the client's appearance (I mean let's be honest if he is really really disgusting or if for some ethnicity reasons it cannot work (no offense)). How do you deal with the pre meeting screening ?
I always do a phone to call to hear the voice to ser if they sound friendly and someone i wants to book in.
There is many clients i dont like there appearance but if i only booked clients in from there appearance i would not earn much unfortunately. Some clients pay for it because they have trouble getting it free.
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Yes I understand but what if despite the information available on your website (mainly concerning ethnicity), some people don't care and would still try anyways and without picture you have no clue of how the person looks like, maybe I'm wrong I don't know
If you are worried about where they come from or skin colour then you would be best asking them when speaking to them via phone what is there ethnicity? Then you know and can say yes or no to the booking, better that way then ignoring the door or turning them away when they arrive.
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Thank you for these informations, and in case you want to refuse a client, how do you manage it ?
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If ethnicity is important to you, just ask when someone contacts you - state that they need to include their name, age, ethnicity etc when contacting you and that you will not respond if this information is not supplied.
In terms of screening, if you are worried someone will try to omit the fact they are arabic or black, ask for government issued ID or their LinkedIn profile. However, be advised that this approach will screen out the vast majority of potential clients as most will not provide these details.
As an aside, weren't you asking about agencies? This is something to consider as you will be required to see clients of all ethnicities...
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Thank you for these informations, and in case you want to refuse a client, how do you manage it ?
I am not available. That is all you need to say. No need to explain further.
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Sorry i don't see black or chinese guys for example is what you say or use any reason you like. I find it's better to just be honest and say if you do not want to see someone because of there ethnicity. The non sex world it would be a problem but when it comes to being intimate with someone you can choose who you want to see like the clients choose what type of women they want to book.
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Sorry i don't see black or chinese guys for example is what you say or use any reason you like. I find it's better to just be honest and say if you do not want to see someone because of there ethnicity. The non sex world it would be a problem but when it comes to being intimate with someone you can choose who you want to see like the clients choose what type of women they want to book.
I do agree with this too. However, if the OP wants to this direct about it, she needs to state it on her profile/website too as that way, the potential client is at fault for not taking heed of this policy.
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What does your client screening includes ? I would prefer asking clients for a picture mainly for ethnicity reasons (I have nothing against black and middle eastern men but they have a reputation of being violent and some past experience of mine have confirmed this information)
If you don't want to see black or middle eastern punters then that's entirely your concern and nobody has to have sex with somebody they don't want to regardless of whether they're paying, but please don't perpetuate these bullshit stereotypes. I was robbed by a middle aged white man - if this happened to you would you stop seeing them? People are not violent or unpleasant or unhygienic because of their ethnic background, they are just violent/unpleasant/unhygienic people and such punters come in all shapes, sizes and races.
As Millie said, if you plan to hire an agency you won't get to pick and choose and certainly not according to appearance. Are you going to reply to the other questions you asked - there's the OWO one too :).
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Thanks for helping me, sorry for all the questions but I'm fairly new in the game and I'm still unsure about many things
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What does your client screening includes ? I would prefer asking clients for a picture mainly for ethnicity reasons (I have nothing against black and middle eastern men but they have a reputation of being violent and some past experience of mine have confirmed this information)
What a crock a shit so ur one a them patronising ‘bad experience’ profiles then. You have the right to see exactly who you want no need to make up bull shit reasons ffs a ‘reputation of being violent’ ::) just say you only see white men an done.
Every bad experience I ever had the punter was white but funny enough I still see white men as wouldn’t make any money if I didnt.
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I had this attitude when I became an escort and I can tell you it will limit your success drastically especially in the U.K. where it is very diverse. If you lived in somewhere like Birmingham for example you’d probably make hardly any money because the Asian population is huge.
On the bad experiences front. I’ve actually had my worst experiences with white British men. Some have very poor hygiene I’ve found in comparison to Asian and middle eastern punters a lot of who are Muslim and Muslims tend to have very good hygiene because there is a huge importance of it in their religion. So I actually am excited when I get muslims punters as I never am scared their ass or penis will stink to high heaven.
This bullshit about black men being more violent is very racist too. I have a lot of black punters and they’re definitely the most easygoing. All the ones I’ve had tend to just come do their bit and leave on time. They’ve never given me any problems ever.
In fact the whole time I’ve been in the U.K. I would say 90 percent of my experiences with violence, overstaying and poor hygiene have been white British men and I don’t see a lot of white British men as I am white and live in London and do tend to get more people from ethnic backgrounds here. But I don’t say no white British men because why would I. I’d be cutting a big chunk out of my potential earnings.
You need to be careful with what you say too. Not all punters that are white are British and if European men for example see that you don’t take black men or Middle Eastern men and have this specified on your profile they might get the vibe that you’d discriminate against them too I’ve found.
I find people who don’t see certain men don’t do that well in escorting. It isn’t the kind of job where you can be choosy in my opinion. You can be I mean you can do whatever feels good for you but just know you definitely might not earn as much with that attitude.
Like I said just offering advice to you. You don’t need to do anything you’re uncomfortable with at all. But I think it’s a bit deluded to make white British men out to be angels in comparison to ethnic men.
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Sorry if I've offended some of you, that was not my goal, but please don't get unfriendly on here, I'm just asking questions because I'm new in the game. This is a forum where girls are suppose to help each other out with this job, isn't it ? So again, I apologize if my words have offended some of you, I'll use more adapted words in the future, but please let's stay friendly on here :)
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I don't do a booking without a chat on the phone. You can tell a lot, and it weeds out those who want to avoid a call to begin with. Pics I think are a non-starter both ways.
As said above, if you have any sort of restrictions, you need to make them clear on all your advertising. You need to state plainly that you don't see e.g. men from Norway. And then if someone phones you up with a Norwegian accent, you need to be prepared to ask an awkward question - 'I was just wondering, are you from Norway?' If they say yes, then you can say, 'Well, I'm sorry, but AS I SAY CLEARLY ON MY PROFILE I don't see men from Norway.'
Just bear in mind that >80 percent of men won't read your profile, so you can write as much/whatever you want, but don't think this means anyone who doesn't met your criteria will avoid contacting you.
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Natalya, nobody is being unfriendly to you - we are being upfront, candid and straight to the point. Without wanting to sound harsh, but you will need to develop a thicker skin and if you are going to escort.
To reiterate what Amy said: nobody has to have sex with somebody they don't want to regardless of whether they're paying, but please don't perpetuate these bullshit stereotypes
If you only want to see certain kinds of clients, be honest and upfront about it but don't perpetuate stereotypes or state it's due to previous 'bad' experiences which is bullshit, something a client can smell a mile off and might actually work against you. Concentrate on the ethnicities you want to see, and say that you 'prefer/welcome Caucasian, Asian and whatever clients' you are comfortable with, rather than mention the ethnicities you don't want to see.
Also, if you are attracting the kinds of clients you do not want to see, maybe it is also time to rethink your advertising/how you are presenting yourself.
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No words really ??? :(.
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Natalya I apologize as I do feel I worded my advice a bit wrong. Who you see is your business. It is your body after all. But I’m just saying from my own experience I didn’t see black men when I first started and realised I was having awful experiences with white guys so I stopped this “I don’t see black guys because of one bad experience attitude.” Would you stop seeing white guys if a white guy robbed you and threatened you? You probably wouldn’t. Because you’d have no clients then.
Also if you’re getting a lot of Middle Eastern and black clients in your area it might just be down to many of them living in that area. In west London I see a lot of Asian and Middle Eastern men because many live in that area. My friend lives in East London and most of her clients are Asian men. I would consider a move to an area with more white men as this is the only real way you could stop the certain type of men you don’t want to see from contacting you. This is always going to be a problem in that case if there is a lot in the area because some just won’t read the ad. I did used to ask ethnicity which I think is fine and most won’t mind you asking either.
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What a crock a shit so ur one a them patronising ‘bad experience’ profiles then. You have the right to see exactly who you want no need to make up bull shit reasons ffs a ‘reputation of being violent’ ::) just say you only see white men an done.
Every bad experience I ever had the punter was white but funny enough I still see white men as wouldn’t make any money if I didnt.
I think that is a bit harsh nobody knows how somebody feels from a experience. 90% of my clients are white and of course i have met some absolute arseholes that happen to be white and caused me shit. I got robbed attacked very violently with a Iranian refugee who had a knife at my throat and threatened to kill me after that anybody that sounded similar to him on the phone or said they were from Iran i could not see it was too much and would throw me into panic attacks.
Some might remember a couple of years back there was constant robberies being reported on here with different young black guys robbing women in hotels and some very violent attacks. It was happening in the areas i work and not long after i was violently attacked now i could not risk another violent attack so i would not see any young black guys incase one of them was the robbers i told them straight on the phone i cannot risk it and they understood. Around that time the only black guys i would see if they could prove they were a genuine client with feedback or send me some i.d and a few did so i was comfortable they were not the robbers. Financially it never made a difference because i only get a very small percentage of black guys that call.
Just to point out if there was a white guy say with ginger hair or with a certain accent etc and was robbing women i too would avoid all white guys that looked like him or spoke with his accent. My safety and mental health has to come first and i cannot apologise for taking safety measures to keep me safe.
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I have a friend in the sex industry and she has basically stopped seeing a big portion of white men who in her words " sound chavy or young and common" she will only see business type men mostly over 40 years of age. Now she said she had too many problems with the younger chavy sounding ones causing her problems and not treating her well. I suppose if she is comfortable working that way and it works for her over all then it's fine. I am sure the guys she turns down will have no problem getting bookings elsewhere.
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Thank you for these informations, English Green your robbery sounds horrific, I hope you recovered well from this and that it didn't prevent you to go back to work afterwards !
Has any of you ever experienced similar experiences ? (like robberies, dangerous situations, etc.)
To come back to our initial topic, I personally live in the Chelsea area in London so the client base here is composed more of white older men and quite a few Asians as well. I was wondering as well, do you think the hourly rate makes a difference when it comes to clients' personality ? I mean I don't want to sound cliché or anything but do you think richer men means less chances to be robbed or attacked and clients in areas with a lower hourly rate are more subjects to attempt robberies ? Let me know what you think and let me know about your personal experiences
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You can get robbed in any area as the robbers could travel but overall i tend to pick areas to work with less crime as that is what makes me feel comfortable i mostly work in places that are not big cities.
All you can do is do your best to vet as carefully as you can but it's never a guarantee i mostly look for politeness and friendly manner on the phone. If you are very new to this industry and want to start gradually and are on AW maybe just book in people with AW feedback to see how you get on now this does not mean they will be a great guy they could still be annoying or hassle etc but if there paying for services then least you know they have feedback for actually coming in and paying and leaving. I hope that helps.
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Has any of you ever experienced similar experiences ? (like robberies, dangerous situations, etc.)
To come back to our initial topic, I personally live in the Chelsea area in London so the client base here is composed more of white older men and quite a few Asians as well. I was wondering as well, do you think the hourly rate makes a difference when it comes to clients' personality ? I mean I don't want to sound cliché or anything but do you think richer men means less chances to be robbed or attacked and clients in areas with a lower hourly rate are more subjects to attempt robberies ? Let me know what you think and let me know about your personal experiences
I am not based Chelsea, but do work in Central London. I work at a high price point and my clientele is almost exclusively wealthy older Caucasian men and rarely ever get enquiries from other ethnicities or younger men.
What I will say is that often with a higher price point come entitlement. Men will expect so much more from you and my screening has evolved to exclude these kinds of clients. I am really lucky as everyone I see is hugely respectful and considerate of my needs but maybe that is because I am very clear about who I am and my boundaries, and also the kind of man I want to see.
If you are hosting several incalls a day and working at a higher price point then this might well attract those looking to rob you. Be wary of anyone asking specifically to be the last client of the day/what you are doing after. However, that said, at a higher price point, you might only get one client a day anyway.
Lastly, if a man wants to attack, rob or push an escort's boundaries he will. His ethnicity, location and socio-economic background is utterly immaterial in this respect.
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Thank you for these informations, English Green your robbery sounds horrific, I hope you recovered well from this and that it didn't prevent you to go back to work afterwards !
Has any of you ever experienced similar experiences ? (like robberies, dangerous situations, etc.)
To come back to our initial topic, I personally live in the Chelsea area in London so the client base here is composed more of white older men and quite a few Asians as well. I was wondering as well, do you think the hourly rate makes a difference when it comes to clients' personality ? I mean I don't want to sound cliché or anything but do you think richer men means less chances to be robbed or attacked and clients in areas with a lower hourly rate are more subjects to attempt robberies ? Let me know what you think and let me know about your personal experiences
I haven't found a correlation between price and attitude, but attitude is very individual - it just is!
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I think that is a bit harsh nobody knows how somebody feels from a experience. 90% of my clients are white and of course i have met some absolute arseholes that happen to be white and caused me shit. I got robbed attacked very violently with a Iranian refugee who had a knife at my throat and threatened to kill me after that anybody that sounded similar to him on the phone or said they were from Iran i could not see it was too much and would throw me into panic attacks.
Some might remember a couple of years back there was constant robberies being reported on here with different young black guys robbing women in hotels and some very violent attacks. It was happening in the areas i work and not long after i was violently attacked now i could not risk another violent attack so i would not see any young black guys incase one of them was the robbers i told them straight on the phone i cannot risk it and they understood. Around that time the only black guys i would see if they could prove they were a genuine client with feedback or send me some i.d and a few did so i was comfortable they were not the robbers. Financially it never made a difference because i only get a very small percentage of black guys that call.
Just to point out if there was a white guy say with ginger hair or with a certain accent etc and was robbing women i too would avoid all white guys that looked like him or spoke with his accent. My safety and mental health has to come first and i cannot apologise for taking safety measures to keep me safe.
I am black. You are not. The op offended me. And so has your bullshit reply about not seeing ginger men. Nobody on this forum gonna stop seeing white English men even if they had a ‘bad experience’ with one. We have the right to see who we want our body our choice but don’t dress up racism and ignorance as bad experiences it fucks me off. Just say you don’t see a certain race don’t bring stereo types and generalisations into it.
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Miss Delany i already told you i know someone who will not see certain types of white men so it's not bullshit if it's true just because it seems alien to you.
Maybe the OP did not explain herself that well at the start and has got people's back up she did apologize for it but i don't think verbal aggression is needed. Anyway i am sure the thread will be locked soon the way it's going and that might be for the best.
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You'll soon learn to gauge the voices. Mine have to have a business type voice. Race isn't an issue at all, after all, you'd probably see Denzel Washington.
But I tell ya. If there were ginger guys going around robbing, I wouldn't open the door to one.
Yep without going in to all my working history there has been certain white men i avoided in a certain county way back from reports of switching and attacking women and i have no problem doing this to anyone no matter what there colour is if it keeps me safe and having less anxiety.
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The thread has been tidied - apparently the Report button is broken again ::) - but it will not be locked; rule breaking pists will be removed and any posters who continue to break the rules will be dealt with accordingly if needs be :)
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Miss Delany i already told you i know someone who will not see certain types of white men so it's not bullshit if it's true just because it seems alien to you.
To be fair EG, your friend (although I'm sure she's a lovely person) sounds as thick as pigshit, and if anything lets her down and causes her problems then it's likely to be that, or at least appearing so in her ads because it will give her away as an easy target. At least do her the kindness of telling her that calling other people 'chavvy' and 'common' is about as 'common' as it's possible to get and that the 'businessmen' she's angling for are likely office workers who have never had and will never have a business.
I am black. You are not. The op offended me. And so has your bullshit reply about not seeing ginger men. Nobody on this forum gonna stop seeing white English men even if they had a ‘bad experience’ with one. We have the right to see who we want our body our choice but don’t dress up racism and ignorance as bad experiences it fucks me off. Just say you don’t see a certain race don’t bring stereo types and generalisations into it.
I don't think anyone can blame the black women here for being offended that their fathers and grandfathers, sons, brothers and in some cases husbands and partners are basically being written off as not only all the same, but as undesirables who are likely to behave so badly that it's too much of a risk to even let them through the door. Racial profiling is at best complete laziness from people who can't be arsed to screen properly.
As an aside, if I only saw white punters I would have only had two bookings this week, and if they had to be British too only one. Anybody wanting to exclude big groups of punters and their money is fine for me if for no reason other than it means I earn more :D
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Yeah i agree Amy she can be a bit snobby she admits that so there is plenty of white men she turns down for not being the right fit for her which some might sound common to her and "not her type" She won't see anyone that rings up and says babe or hun or anything either but i suppose least she is honest about it.
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I mean what if let's say that you really don't like the client's appearance
Physical appearance isn’t really telling. A conventionally attractive client doesn’t equal big spender/nice client.
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The fundamental point of working as an escort, is that you are willing to accept money for having sex with people you are not attracted to... isn't it?
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Also just something to think about. My boyfriend is Middle Eastern but he’s half English too. He’s white and has blonde hair and green eyes. He speaks with an English accent too. I’m sure this would come as a shock to op but not all Middle Eastern men are brown and speak with an accent. I thought my boyfriend was Eastern European when I first met him as he doesn’t look like a stereotypical Arab at all.
So I mean good luck filtering all Middle Eastern men out in this case. You’d never ever even know he was. Just fruit for thought.