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General Category => Questions and Answers => Topic started by: Gracious on 26 March 2016, 03:16:49 pm
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Is there a high importance for my work phone sim card to be unregistered?
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It's difficult to answer without knowing what you mean by 'high importance'?
Mine is registered to me because I use Tesco Mobile and it means I get Clubcard points when I top it up. It also meant that when my phone was stolen I could get a duplicate sim sent out immediately (and didn't lose the number I'd had for over seven years) with minimal hassle, plus I can just top it up with my debit card over the phone but there's nothing there that's really vital, I suppose.
Is there a particular reason you do or don't want to register it? :)
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Good question. I thought a registered phone can get easily traced to your real identity, therefore outing you.
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It's difficult to answer without knowing what you mean by 'high importance'?
Is there a particular reason you do or don't want to register it? :)
I was speaking with someone who told me they have a phone for work purposes only and its unregistered so it got me thinking about how important it is for me to get another sim for work (I have shit loads of phones so just thinking more about the actual sim card) and then that thought got me thinking if its very important or bares little importance to have the sim card registered under my personal info or not.
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Good question. I thought a registered phone can get easily traced to your real identity, therefore outing you.
Yea, this was the reason why I started this topic because I personally dont know how easy it is to obtain someones real info via a telephone number only.
Pics on the other hand is a whole different ball game.........
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Good question. I thought a registered phone can get easily traced to your real identity, therefore outing you.
How exactly would that happen? Mines been registered to me for years, not yet had a problem. That doesn't mean it's not possible but it's helped me transfer the number and obtain technical help/submit fault reports.
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How exactly would that happen?
So maybe its a myth then eh?
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How exactly would that happen?
Well in my case somebody would have to check up my number to find the network and then get a job working for Tesco Mobile, or at least find and become good friends with somebody who did. They would need to have access to customers personal details, and could then presumably find out my legal name, address, bank details and whatever by searching the records for my number.
But what would they then do with this information? Every possible course of action they could take is going to get them (or their friend) fired, prosecuted and probably both? Going to lengths like this just to wind up being charged with harassment (which would include contacting me and telling me that they have this information more than once) and more than likely winding up in the local paper doesn't seem like a very sensible use of anybody's time to me.
So maybe its a myth then eh?
See above :).
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How exactly would that happen?
Well in my case somebody would have to check up my number to find the network and then get a job working for Tesco Mobile, or at least find and become good friends with somebody who did. They would need to have access to customers personal details, and could then presumably find out my legal name, address, bank details and whatever by searching the records for my number.
But what would they then do with this information? Every possible course of action they could take is going to get them (or their friend) fired, prosecuted and probably both? Going to lengths like this just to wind up being charged with harassment (which would include contacting me and telling me that they have this information more than once) and more than likely winding up in the local paper doesn't seem like a very sensible use of anybody's time to me.
So maybe its a myth then eh?
See above :).
Exactly, in the UK a person would have to commit fraud to obtain this type of information, or put their job at risk.
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Thanks guys....
I would like to stress the importance of getting a number which is separate from your main/personal number. I have a few phones and Googled all of my numbers and there were no results, except with my personal/main number; one of the results took me to one of my personal non-work related social media accounts :FF
So I defo wont be using that number for work purposes lol
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Mine is registered, I put a wrong address though :) and no-one knows my alter-ego name either :)
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I never would have my work phone registered, it baffles me that some girls use their personal phone for work, mine is a ten pound Nokia unregistered
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Definitely an unregistered Sim card.. I had a potential client that had called me before he had been reported a missing person, the police traced my number and turned up on my door step :o
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Definitely an unregistered Sim card.. I had a potential client that had called me before he had been reported a missing person, the police traced my number and turned up on my door step :o
Well if that happened to me I'd tell the truth, which would be that I'd spoken to this person on the phone briefly but that was it. If it helps find somebody who's gone missing I don't see the problem.
it baffles me that some girls use their personal phone for work, mine is a ten pound Nokia unregistered
Me too. Just because I prefer mine registered for the perks and convenience doesn't mean I want my private phone number popping up in Google :).
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Definitely an unregistered Sim card.. I had a potential client that had called me before he had been reported a missing person, the police traced my number and turned up on my door step :o
Well if that happened to me I'd tell the truth, which would be that I'd spoken to this person on the phone briefly but that was it. If it helps find somebody who's gone missing I don't see the problem.
it baffles me that some girls use their personal phone for work, mine is a ten pound Nokia unregistered
Me too. Just because I prefer mine registered for the perks and convenience doesn't mean I want my private phone number popping up in Google :).
I read on aw profiles "Don't call me after 11pm or you're blocked" etc etc, just get a work phone! You can't assume that no wanker is gonna call at 5am coked up wanting a blow job.
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Definitely an unregistered Sim card.. I had a potential client that had called me before he had been reported a missing person, the police traced my number and turned up on my door step :o
They can trace unregistered sim cards.
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Definitely an unregistered Sim card.. I had a potential client that had called me before he had been reported a missing person, the police traced my number and turned up on my door step :o
They can trace unregistered sim cards.
The police can trace any phone they want including all deleted texts/calls, clients can't trace though unless they want to pay a lot of money to a dodgy policeman which I doubt they'd bother
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They can trace unregistered sim cards.
The police can yes, but it seems that a "normal" every person cant (which is reassuring!)
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It could have been very serious for me, all the police had to do was google my number and my website would have come up! Also it was my family home address and I could of been dragged into a court case if I had met this client.
I have no desire to be all over the newspapers with my life and reputation destroyed forever ::)
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It could have been very serious for me, all the police had to do was google my number and my website would have come up! Also it was my family home address and I could of been dragged into a court case if I had met this client.
I have no desire to be all over the newspapers with my life and reputation destroyed forever ::)
How would an unregistered Sim prevent that? The police can still trace it and use GPS or other non-phone information to find you. A court case should only happen if and when they have firm evidence, not because you had contact with someone. That contact could lead them to find out where the person actually is.
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Even though this is an old thread, I'm just posting here as I didn't want to start up a new thread on the same subject.
I ordered a sim card which has arrived. It doesn't come pre-registered with a new mobile number, as I've checked my phone settings and it's definitely not on there. I didn't want to register this in my real name just in my work name with my work email. As it's on Giffgaff, the only option seems to be that I activate the sim online, create a new account, which includes an initial top up of a minimum of ?10 (to properly activate the sim such that it can make and receive calls) and pay that by registering my card details which obviously defeats the purpose. I tried to purchase an O2 top up (same network) from an ATM but it required the phone number which I obviously don't have and is it the same procedure over the counter or can you just buy a top up voucher without giving a phone number? My question is do I have to register my payment card in order to set up this sim or have I missed something? Is it the same process with all PAYG sims now?
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Even though this is an old thread, I'm just posting here as I didn't want to start up a new thread on the same subject.
I ordered a sim card which has arrived. It doesn't come pre-registered with a new mobile number, as I've checked my phone settings and it's definitely not on there. I didn't want to register this in my real name just in my work name with my work email. As it's on Giffgaff, the only option seems to be that I activate the sim online, create a new account, which includes an initial top up of a minimum of ?10 (to properly activate the sim such that it can make and receive calls) and pay that by registering my card details which obviously defeats the purpose. I tried to purchase an O2 top up (same network) from an ATM but it required the phone number which I obviously don't have and is it the same procedure over the counter or can you just buy a top up voucher without giving a phone number? My question is do I have to register my payment card in order to set up this sim or have I missed something? Is it the same process with all PAYG sims now?
Oooo thats a good Q!
Im assuming you will have to register it, as registration is part of the activation process. I have a GiffGaff sim too (best network EVER IMO!) It came with a number but I ported my old number to the new SIM card. Im slightly surprised that it came with no number. Are you certain this is the case?
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Ok so I found an answer to your Q
https://community.giffgaff.com/t5/Help-Support/Sim-card-has-no-phone-number/td-p/346995
Dont be concerned about your personal CC details being used for topping up. If you scroll up and read the replies on here, you will see that you have nothing to worry about.
Welcome to GiffGaff!
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Oooo thats a good Q!
Im assuming you will have to register it, as registration is part of the activation. I have a GiffGaff sim too (best network EVER IMO!) It came with a number but I ported my old number to the new SIM card. Im slightly surprised that it came with no number. Are you certain this is the case?
Positive. I've checked the phone settings and it definitely doesn't have the number attached. I had Giffgaff in the past and it always came with the number. Maybe they did it like this as they were running out of numbers or to stop people registering numbers just to receive calls. Who knows. It's really irritating as I want to keep work and personal totally separated with no overlap between the two. I've got some old Giffgaff sim cards that were never used but sent a couple of years ago, I might see if one of those is pre-registered with a number. I hope it is because I think it's a good network and so cheap if you need a big call/text/data allowance.
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Ok so I found an answer to your Q
https://community.giffgaff.com/t5/Help-Support/Sim-card-has-no-phone-number/td-p/346995
Dont be concerned about your personal CC details being used for topping up. If you scroll up and read the replies on here, you will see that you have nothing to worry about.
Welcome to GiffGaff!
Thanks Gracious, I will have a look.
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Positive. I've checked the phone settings and it definitely doesn't have the number attached. I had Giffgaff in the past and it always came with the number. Maybe they did it like this as they were running out of numbers or to stop people registering numbers just to receive calls. Who knows.
I prolly think there is a number but you cant see the number until you register it by topping it up with credit: either that or you get allocated a number once you have registered it.
It's really irritating as I want to keep work and personal totally separated with no overlap between the two.
Thats the best way to go. Its always best to separate business from personal
I've got some old Giffgaff sim cards that were never used but sent a couple of years ago, I might see if one of those is pre-registered with a number. I hope it is because I think it's a good network and so cheap if you need a big call/text/data allowance.
They probably dont work now as you need to top up once at least every 3 (or 6) months in order to keep the sim active (from my recollection)
Thanks Gracious, I will have a look.
Glad I could help!
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Even though this is an old thread, I'm just posting here as I didn't want to start up a new thread on the same subject.
I ordered a sim card which has arrived. It doesn't come pre-registered with a new mobile number, as I've checked my phone settings and it's definitely not on there. I didn't want to register this in my real name just in my work name with my work email. As it's on Giffgaff, the only option seems to be that I activate the sim online, create a new account, which includes an initial top up of a minimum of ?10 (to properly activate the sim such that it can make and receive calls) and pay that by registering my card details which obviously defeats the purpose. I tried to purchase an O2 top up (same network) from an ATM but it required the phone number which I obviously don't have and is it the same procedure over the counter or can you just buy a top up voucher without giving a phone number? My question is do I have to register my payment card in order to set up this sim or have I missed something? Is it the same process with all PAYG sims now?
Do I order a sim from Giff gaff website hun, I'm a returner to the industy and used to have a non smart phone and concerned about clients seeing you on whats app on a smart phone and don't see why I shouldn't have my face on my whats app. I just want an old fashioned phone and unregistered sim for now till I get on my feet. I know a smartphone is so useful but I can't cope with 2 smartphones at present. Tried and failed after a test run a few weeks ago :FF
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Just thought I'd update this; I bought a top up voucher and attempted to load the credit on the phone online. It would NOT allow me to apply the credit without first providing a name and address (and there was no way it would allow me to bypass the name and address request). So I gave a false name and a friend's address (with her permission). Once active, it gave me a phone number. Interestingly enough, that number still doesn't show in my phone settings so it must be an Android thing.
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Just thought I'd update this; I bought a top up voucher and attempted to load the credit on the phone online. It would NOT allow me to apply the credit without first providing a name and address (and there was no way it would allow me to bypass the name and address request). So I gave a false name and a friend's address (with her permission).
Glad it all worked out.
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this was the reason why I started this topic because I personally dont know how easy it is to obtain someones real info via a telephone number only.
Well in my case somebody would have to check up my number to find the network and then get a job working for Tesco Mobile, or at least find and become good friends with somebody who did. They would need to have access to customers personal details, and could then presumably find out my legal name, address, bank details and whatever by searching the records for my number.
But what would they then do with this information? Every possible course of action they could take is going to get them (or their friend) fired, prosecuted and probably both? Going to lengths like this just to wind up being charged with harassment (which would include contacting me and telling me that they have this information more than once) and more than likely winding up in the local paper doesn't seem like a very sensible use of anybody's time to me.
Exactly, in the UK a person would have to commit fraud to obtain this type of information, or put their job at risk.
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Yes you have to order it online. They ask you to set up an account so I used my work name and work email address.
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Thanks Mariah hun x
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Thanks Mariah hun x
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Ta Mariah
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They can trace unregistered sim cards.
The police can trace any phone they want including all deleted texts/calls, clients can't trace though unless they want to pay a lot of money to a dodgy policeman which I doubt they'd bother
I wouldn't be surprised or shocked if those numbers shown on AW were already in the database of the County police headquarters along with the trade name and real names (poss. and passport photo). As far as I know shop assistants at phone shop can access the database.
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I wouldn't be surprised or shocked if those numbers shown on AW were already in the database of the County police headquarters along with the trade name and real names (poss. and passport photo). As far as I know shop assistants at phone shop can access the database.
Why would phone numbers of escorts who choose to pay and display their number on AW be registered in the county police headquarters????Escorting isnt illegal in the UK. Numbers are only on a police database when they have been contacted so they would need to keep a log. It would be a huge waste of internet/server space if every single number attached to an escort via a escorting site was in a police database
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I wouldn't be surprised or shocked if those numbers shown on AW were already in the database of the County police headquarters along with the trade name and real names (poss. and passport photo). As far as I know shop assistants at phone shop can access the database.
My reason for not wanting to register my true details has nothing whatsoever to do with the police. I'm not working illegally so couldn't care less whether they know who I am or not. As it happens, the police already know that I've worked as a sex worker as I reported a couple of incidents involving sex work a few years back. My reason for the unregistered SIM is to maintain my anonymity with customers. Too often I'm reading things about customers finding out very personal information and contact details and then using it to 'out' or blackmail a fellow working girl. I'll be damned if I'm going to let that happen to me so I'm starting as I mean to go on, with total anonymity.
As for the police, they're out catching real criminals. Your average independent sex worker wouldn't even feature on the police radar as prostitution is perfectly legal. If AW released registrants' details, it would only be on a case by case basis and on disclosure by the police of a valid warrant to obtain that information, e.g. in the case of people trafficking/forced/underage prostitution, etc. Aw wouldn't blindly supply in bulk anyone's details because if it came out it would destroy them. AdultWork may be stupid, but they're not that stupid.
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I wouldn't be surprised or shocked if those numbers shown on AW were already in the database of the County police headquarters along with the trade name and real names (poss. and passport photo). As far as I know shop assistants at phone shop can access the database.
Are you smoking something?!
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Why would phone numbers of escorts who choose to pay and display their number on AW be registered in the county police headquarters????Escorting isnt illegal in the UK. Numbers are only on a police database when they have been contacted so they would need to keep a log. It would be a huge waste of internet/server space if every single number attached to an escort via a escorting site was in a police database
I don't know. They are known to have the intelligence of all sorts, to maintain their own data without us even knowing. Some counties are accepting and others, not so. I live in a fairly conservative area, very very few escorts around.
What I am saying is, if something did happen to me, then they might already be potentially aware that I was advertising myself on AW based on my registered mobile number. What I am saying is your numbers displayed, on any public websites, aren't going to be "confidential" either registered or unregistered. People who have access to the mobile phone database, even as banal as shop assistants (not even need to be the well-resourced, police force) may be able to find out who you are at any time without "hacking into the system".
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If AW released registrants' details, it would only be on a case by case basis and on disclosure by the police of a valid warrant to obtain that information, e.g. in the case of people trafficking/forced/underage prostitution, etc. Aw wouldn't blindly supply in bulk anyone's details because if it came out it would destroy them. AdultWork may be stupid, but they're not that stupid.
Thank you for sharing, Mariah. As I have civvie life left, and it will cause a lot of trouble if my real identity was found from the mobile number, by anybody, especially, the police where I would get my work-related paper comes from.
When I used to live "down south", I heard that the Police are actually aware where wgs are based/or working from, in case there are anything else which goes on (those you have accurately described). This is not something random members of the public would be aware, but it's part of something that they do e.g. intelligence gathering. That's why I'm very cautious. It seems these days, privacy is extremely difficult to maintain.
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Privacy has been difficult (if not impossible) for the average individual to maintain since the Anti Terrorism, Crime and Security act of 2001 (later replaced by the Prevention of Terrorism Act). There are several provisions on both which could breach articles of the Human Rights Act... Anyway not to get political, but if the police or security forces want to find out information about anybody, they can. The question is are they going to bother gathering that information on people who are working within the law, paying tax, and don't flag any kind of "threat" radar.
My belief is that unless you are a native of a country which is high on the threat list, or you have ever belonged to certain political groups, or taken part in an anti-government protest, they are not going to be bothered.
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VC, thank you for your highly intelligent, well-balanced, well-informed take on this. I cannot appreciate your willingness to share. :) :-*
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There is no need to have your work phone unregistered.
Who is going to try the almost impossible task of finding out a private number to try to out you? People really aren't that interested in outing us. Clients that are usually have a vendetta against girls that they are close to already and they have a falling out, hence the emotional break down from the clients end and them wanting revenge: they already have the personal information on the woman. It's not a stranger getting information from a friend that works from Tesco mobile, it's information you willingly gave to them that they use against you. People are seldom victims of crimes involving emotional abuse, threats etc with strangers. If someone wanted to threat you as a sex worker they would threaten to come and bash you unless you gave them money each week as they controlled this area you live in, not to out you. Outing is a personal-related crime, most likely going to be committed to someone you've developed a relationship with that's turned sour.
You're more likely to end up chopped up in pieces in a bin or missing and when a mutual sex worker friend reports so before your family realises as you live a double life where you have some story to cover up why you are away travelling etc, they really are going to wish that they had your real name registered so they could notify your family or get some clues that could help you.
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Who is going to try the almost impossible task of finding out a private number to try to out you?
Precisely. Its actually almost impossible to get personal info from a mobile number, unless
- its a number thats connected to your personal social media accounts
- the person works in the police force but they would have much more to loose then you would so it wouldnt even be worth the effort on their part
On a side note, I love GiffGaff ;D Its a sim only contract and they are the only network that allow you to change your plan every month to add/deduct free mins/data. They also send you an email a few days before your package bundle is due to end with a recommendation of the best bundle to buy which is based on your usage. You will never go over your mins/data - if you do end up using all your data/free mins before the 30th day, you have the option of buying another package bundle which will end the prior one. They truly have saved me a lot of money!
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I hear the precise and clear logic and I'm grateful for sharing these, ladies. . . :)
However, there are people, who actively choose to have unregistered SIM because, in their gut feelings, the real identities could be outed (or the real identities could be potentially exposed) which may lead to the losses of civvie posts and the whole embarrassment factor once being found out. However, it's entirely up to individual escorts, who risk-assess their own pros and cons of displaying their number. If it's ok in one group of escorts, there are others who may feel slightly differently, if that makes sense? Great discussion!!! :D :-*
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I agree with CCadine, and I'm pretty sure I've posted similar somewhere.
Lucie, anybody - police or otherwise - who looks at an advertising site can call us up and find out what we look like and where we work, just as they can with hairdressers, mechanics or accountants? The police have no more reason to have a Special Secret Database of prostitutes than they have of any other sole traders (especially when AW has already provided one for them they can look at immediately) and equally as with other sole traders, no interest in us whatsoever unless they suspect an offence has taken or is likely to take place. Why would they?
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Thank you for your reassurance, Amy. :-* :)
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However, there are people, who actively choose to have unregistered SIM because, in their gut feelings, the real identities could be outed (or the real identities could be potentially exposed)
Well thats the reason I started this thread lol
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I've recently found out that if someone calls my work number with a Galaxy S7, my full name apears. I have emailed Samsung and they told me that is possibly due to the fact that my sim is registered in my name.
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I've recently found out that if someone calls my work number with a Galaxy S7, my full name apears. I have emailed Samsung and they told me that is possibly due to the fact that my sim is registered in my name.
Download Truecaller from Google Play then Edit Your Profile and add your work name.
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A "Lycamobile" phone sim card from any Tesco is completely anonymous, no registration is required to use with all various bundles which are good value such as ?15 per month with unlimited calls, unlimited texts and a certain amount of data, you do need to look carefully for the bundle information as they do like you to register but it's not necessary. It piggybacks on the O2 and 3 network, you can't receive or send mms (pictures via text) but you can use whatsapp for that
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The only way you'll be showing up on anyone's phone is because someone who knows you has entered your number into software. Phone companies are not a liberty to go giving details out without permission and there has to be an option to be removed from directories etc.