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« Reply #15 on: 08 May 2015, 12:22:15 pm »
So yes, you won't get deported when arrested for prostitution, but your entry to the US will be denied for a couple of years after the arrest. Also, prostitution (like drugs) is considered a "crime of moral turpitude" (which basically means you have no morals), So if you ever marry a US citizen, or apply for a greencard or any type of US student, work, business visa etc.. you won't be eligible  because of that bloody prostitution arrest 5 years ago...
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« Reply #16 on: 08 May 2015, 12:30:35 pm »
Hi Amy,
No you won't get deported when arrested for prostitution -absolutely not- because it's a "B class misdemeanor" which is too small crime (something compared to shop lifting, also a B misdemeanor). BUT you will spend 3 days in jail, then charged with "prostitution",then do one week of community service (usually cleaning the subway which is what they make all prossies do). Your prostitution charges will stay on your US criminal background for two years (after that they get "sealed" and dissapear unless you commit another crime). In that two year frame of time if you fill the ESTA form (the one you fill online before travelling to the US) your arrest  will "pop" up in their computers and your entry into the US denied.

Well that's no problem then - I was told by what I'd consider a pretty reliable source that I'd be banged to rights at the station then either on the next plane home or kept in the cells until my booked flight was due if it was the following day or whatever, but that was a good year or so ago. I knew about the community service, but I was led to believe they wouldn't bother for non-nationals who were only staying there a few days because the paperwork wouldn't be worth the time and hassle.

Like anything else in prostitution anywhere I think it's risk vs reward, and everybody draws the line in a different place :).

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« Reply #17 on: 08 May 2015, 12:48:14 pm »
Hi Amy,
No you won't get deported when arrested for prostitution -absolutely not- because it's a "B class misdemeanor" which is too small crime (something compared to shop lifting, also a B misdemeanor). BUT you will spend 3 days in jail, then charged with "prostitution",then do one week of community service (usually cleaning the subway which is what they make all prossies do). Your prostitution charges will stay on your US criminal background for two years (after that they get "sealed" and dissapear unless you commit another crime). In that two year frame of time if you fill the ESTA form (the one you fill online before travelling to the US) your arrest  will "pop" up in their computers and your entry into the US denied.

Well that's no problem then - I was told by what I'd consider a pretty reliable source that I'd be banged to rights at the station then either on the next plane home or kept in the cells until my booked flight was due if it was the following day or whatever, but that was a good year or so ago. I knew about the community service, but I was led to believe they wouldn't bother for non-nationals who were only staying there a few days because the paperwork wouldn't be worth the time and hassle.

Like anything else in prostitution anywhere I think it's risk vs reward, and everybody draws the line in a different place :).

I have an excellent NY lawyer who has "saved "my butt" through the years a couple of times and I've had this conversation with him.He specializes in "prossie stuff" so if you want his number pm me and I'll give it to you. He's a super decent chap  and the best lawyer I've ever had.

Also: Throughout the years I've personally encountered many European prossies who got arrested and nobody got deported. US government would rather have you clean their subways for free that escort you to the airport and pay you a flight back to your country. Think about it, If they had to put on a plane every tourist who committed a small crime they would need a whole new fleet of aeroplanes in JFK just for that.
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« Reply #18 on: 08 May 2015, 07:40:07 pm »
There's a lady that blogged about getting refused entry last year because she had been way to many times and she was questioned on entering they looked through her laptop / phones and worked out she was working and she was put on the next flight back to the UK

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« Reply #19 on: 08 May 2015, 08:11:09 pm »
There's a lady that blogged about getting refused entry last year because she had been way to many times and she was questioned on entering they looked through her laptop / phones and worked out she was working and she was put on the next flight back to the UK

That's typical. Every flight that goes to the US there's always a bunch people who get taken to the "little white room" for interrogation. Not only prossies, Nannies, waiters, and you-name-the-trade get sent back to their countries because the guy at the airport suspected they're coming  to work to the US.  That's the reason the staff at the flight companies ask people to have their phones fully charged when they board a plane to the US, so that INS can "snoop" through all your e-mails etc...if they need to and see what you're up to.

Remember that by "touring" in the states you're breaking two laws: 1) You're working with a tourist visa (which is verbotten) and 2) You're doing a criminal activity (prostitution). So you better do your "homework" before boarding that flight to Houston   ???
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« Reply #20 on: 08 May 2015, 09:26:40 pm »
So yes, you won't get deported when arrested for prostitution, but your entry to the US will be denied for a couple of years after the arrest. Also, prostitution (like drugs) is considered a "crime of moral turpitude" (which basically means you have no morals), So if you ever marry a US citizen, or apply for a greencard or any type of US student, work, business visa etc.. you won't be eligible  because of that bloody prostitution arrest 5 years ago...

In fact I believe you risk being denied for life. I know a couple, the husband of whom transgressed in a completely different way and he has been informed he will never be allowed to enter the US again. His wife is an American citizen. What happened to them was due to a mix up over flights and a subsequent cancelled flight he overstayed his entry visa and was caught on the way out. Be very careful what you do and what you get caught doing over there. They are very unforgiving.

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« Reply #21 on: 08 May 2015, 09:44:09 pm »
So yes, you won't get deported when arrested for prostitution, but your entry to the US will be denied for a couple of years after the arrest. Also, prostitution (like drugs) is considered a "crime of moral turpitude" (which basically means you have no morals), So if you ever marry a US citizen, or apply for a greencard or any type of US student, work, business visa etc.. you won't be eligible  because of that bloody prostitution arrest 5 years ago...

In fact I believe you risk being denied for life. I know a couple, the husband of whom transgressed in a completely different way and he has been informed he will never be allowed to enter the US again. His wife is an American citizen. What happened to them was due to a mix up over flights and a subsequent cancelled flight he overstayed his entry visa and was caught on the way out. Be very careful what you do and what you get caught doing over there. They are very unforgiving.

Overstaying your visa is an entirely different thing, and falls into a category different than committing a crime. I don't know if being convicted of a crime of moral turpitude will get one barred for life of not but it is committing a specific act. Overstaying's one visa is somehow different.

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« Reply #22 on: 08 May 2015, 09:47:54 pm »
It is true that entering the US many times close together will trigger suspicional.

A Brit popping over to NYC for a few days with the excuse "I like to go shopping and to see a Broadway show a couple of times a year" with a return ticket is perfectly plausible.

Having relatives or a dear close friend can be a plausible excuse to visit any given city over and over. But that many stays should be relatively brief. And having some evidence of a thriving, ongoing life back at home is also helpful.

If you come over a lot, you will begin to become scrutinised. I think it makes sense to have your laptop, Filofax, and phone "clean" of plans to work in the US.

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« Reply #23 on: 08 May 2015, 10:26:00 pm »
So yes, you won't get deported when arrested for prostitution, but your entry to the US will be denied for a couple of years after the arrest. Also, prostitution (like drugs) is considered a "crime of moral turpitude" (which basically means you have no morals), So if you ever marry a US citizen, or apply for a greencard or any type of US student, work, business visa etc.. you won't be eligible  because of that bloody prostitution arrest 5 years ago...

In fact I believe you risk being denied for life. I know a couple, the husband of whom transgressed in a completely different way and he has been informed he will never be allowed to enter the US again. His wife is an American citizen. What happened to them was due to a mix up over flights and a subsequent cancelled flight he overstayed his entry visa and was caught on the way out. Be very careful what you do and what you get caught doing over there. They are very unforgiving.

Overstaying your visa is an entirely different thing, and falls into a category different than committing a crime. I don't know if being convicted of a crime of moral turpitude will get one barred for life of not but it is committing a specific act. Overstaying's one visa is somehow different.

I can't go into detail here, but it was only one day over and not the fault of the passport holder.

All I'm trying to say is be very careful. I know several true cases of people being banned from entering, they can be quite unreasonable. Remember they put Boris Johnson on a flight back because they wouldn't grant him entry with a UK passport - and he was the Mayor of London at the time.

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« Reply #24 on: 08 May 2015, 11:34:34 pm »
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All I'm trying to say is be very careful. I know several true cases of people being banned from entering, they can be quite unreasonable. Remember they put Boris Johnson on a flight back because they wouldn't grant him entry with a UK passport - and he was the Mayor of London at the time.

.... And the US embassy in London denied Amy Winehouse a visa to go to Miami and sing at the grammy awards because of her drug conviction (she had six grammy nominations). Which was pretty ridiculous considering she was arrested in... Norway! (not even the US), for smoking marihuana, but her crime was considered of "moral turpitude" and she got screwed turned down.
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« Reply #25 on: 09 May 2015, 01:44:42 am »
NYC is a place where you need to be very careful. I've worked there half of my life so I know what I'm talking about :-). Backpage is full of LE, but they also love to bust high end prossies from EROS too (the 750$ an hour ones). A typical NYPD sting operation is when they hire a room in a high end hotel (they used to do it from the plaza in 59th st for many years till they got converted into apartments) and now they're doing it from other hotels. Vice will start calling "high end" escorts from EROS guide asking for an outcall. The prossie/agency will call the hotel and verify his name/room number. Of course the hotel is working in conjunction with the police and will tell the girl what she wants to hear. So lady will arrive to the room, get recorded on camera and arrested. Then police will move on to call the next one. They usually arrest 20 prossies a day with this type of sting operations. So you need to be extra extra cautious when going to hotels. I only did outcalls to private homes because of this reason. There's no sting operations done from private homes.

You don't even have to be high-end to be targeted by LE in NYC.  A number of years back I took out a Spotlight ad on Eros.  Ohmygosh, so many of the phone calls and emails seemed suspect, *and* my rates were definitely in the normal range.  I think it was the visibility factor that they wanted to bust someone. 

At the time, indies weren't even targeted the way they are today.  It's a whole different ballgame where you have to be super careful going to hotels.  I used to do this alllll the time with no problems.   It's gotten to the point where even though NYC can be one of the greatest markets in the world, some have sought out other locales where you can operate with much less hassle.  After all, who wants a bust on their record?

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« Reply #26 on: 09 May 2015, 12:58:04 pm »
In any case if someone is going to NY and wants a good attorney specializing in prossie stuff feel free to contact me by pm.  ;)
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« Reply #27 on: 09 May 2015, 05:58:52 pm »
As Amy said, it's the same old risk v. reward....it's for everyone to work out how much of a risk it is and if they are willing to take it or not.

I don't think it's one for me, but I can see why ladies want to go there...part of me does too, but I know I won't!!!

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« Reply #28 on: 15 May 2019, 12:44:52 am »
In any case if someone is going to NY and wants a good attorney specializing in prossie stuff feel free to contact me by pm.  ;)



Could you send me the NYC lawyer contact .... its very important