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Re: Tax - accountants, deductible expenses, general information
« Reply #45 on: 12 March 2016, 06:48:58 pm »
I realise the topic of accountants and tax deductible expenses have discussed quite a lot on other threads and I think I've read most of them. I do tend to worry a lot so have a lot of questions. I keep worrying about various scenarios so decided to post on here.

I had an accountant about 4 years ago who was extremely professional but I think I was the first escort she had ever worked with. I was registered as a therapist/ massage therapist. My accountant told me I could claim travel, massage oil,office costs part of my rent and heating costs, but she said I could not claim lube, lingerie, condoms or sex toys as expenses as she said they were nothing to do with the job of therapist. I went along with that then started doing my own tax returns, still following her previous advice.

I read this thread:
http://www.saafe.info/main/index.php?topic=23597.0
Where Amy says
You may claim tax relief against any expense which is incurred wholly and exclusively in the running of your business, and this includes condoms (which are as much protective clothing as anything else), lube, sex toys, hosiery and clothing provided they're used/worn only for work, hotels and travel expenses and all the rest.

That sounds really great as I spend a lot of money on really expensive lube, condoms, toys and lingerie just for escorting. However I'm worried that HMRC does decide to investigate me they will obviously find out I am an escort rather than a therapist or masseuse from my receipts for these types of products. If they did decide to audit my records, would it then be on my record that I am actually a sex worker/escort rather than what I put on my tax returns? While this would not be the end of the world as I know I'm not doing anything wrong, I'd really rather this did appear on any of my records.

I know that HMRC will only ask for evidence of expenses if they decide to audit you, but it's still something I worry about a lot. I just wondered if anyone here has actually been audited and what there experience was like. For example, were you told you should not have put lube and sex toys as expenses? I have tried to make sure I do everything by the book, and have always paid my taxes but still the thought of being investigated freaks me out!

I also read in another thread:
http://www.saafe.info/main/index.php?topic=3670.msg33825#msg33825

As far as clothing goes (or any other expenses), you can claim for any cost which has been incurred entirely in the course of running your business, so civvy clothes would normally be a no no (as it could be argued that they would be worn for personal use too). I did have to buy a smart outfit for a particular booking a couple of years ago because I didn't have anything suitable, and I did put that through - the main thing to remember with any expense you claim is that you need to be able to prove it - I kept the ticket from the event I was going to on this occasion and it was fine.

I buy a lot of lingerie, dresses and shoes wholly and exclusively for escorting. I never want to wear any of my escorting clothes or shoes in any other situation.   But how can I prove all those things are just for escorting?

Perhaps it would be safer to just leave clothes and shoes off my expenses to avoid this problem.

As I said before my previous accountant said I could not claim for any of those things if I put "therapist" on my tax return. But I can see from this forum that other escorts claim these as expenses. I have also been told by an escort friend of mine that she was advised by her accountant that these were tax deductible expenses so perhaps I need to find another accountant.

Which leads me to my next question. My friend recommended Abbingdon Knight and she said they are really good and help with business advice in addition to her tax returns. They seem very expensive to me, she pays ?59 per month. I know a few other escorts pay around ?700 a year for an accountant but I'm looking for an accountant who charges no more ?400-450 for a tax return. Since I'm considering buying a house this year I'm looking for a chartered accountant (in London) so if anyone has any recommendations that would be great. ideally I would want an accountant who has experience working with escorts but does not work solely with people in the sex industry. If they have their own website with online reviews that would also be great.  The reason I do not want an accountant who works soley with sex workers is I would not want people to google my accountants name and see that they only work with escorts etc and therefore guess that I am an escort.
If anyone knows an accountant who will not have a problem with me claiming condoms, lube and lingerie as expenses while keeping "therapist" on my tax records that would be great too. Feel free to PM me.

I emailed several of the accounts on taxrelief4escorts and have so far only heard back from one. His rates were in my price range but he's not based in London and seems only to deal with emails not phone calls. I feel much more comfortable being able to call my accountant or even meet face to face.

I just told him I was an escort looking for an accountant and he sent me some advice which got me a bit worried that I have not been keeping adequate enough records. He told me I need to keep records of my client's first name, hours taken and fees received and whether it is an incall or outcall. I have not been keeping any records like this and did not realise it was necessary. I have been keeping a record of all my income and expenses but definitely not clients first names (I don't even ask their names unless they offer to tell me). I don't keep records of when they came and for how long etc. If I am not registered as an escort do I really need this information about bookings and clients? Does everyone else do this?
Sorry for all the questions I'm just very confused at the moment and would appreciate any advice.



« Last Edit: 13 March 2016, 02:27:16 am by lacey666 »

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Re: Tax - accountants, deductible expenses, general information
« Reply #46 on: 12 March 2016, 07:18:25 pm »
Lacey I realise you've acknowledged the other threads, but starting yet another one isn't helpful so I've merged it. People who may be looking for this sort of information are going to find it far easier if it's all kept together rather than scattered here and there all over the board, and we don't need lots of threads all about the same thing :).

If your accountant wants a first name for punters (and I can't imagine why they would), make one up. I do keep a proper diary with records of hours worked and so on so I know how my earnings are amassed - it isn't compulsory, but it makes your income far easier to explain and prove if anyone asked rather than just turning up with a total sum to cover the whole year. It's a lot more credible to be able to show weekly and monthly breakdowns which corroborate your advertised appointment fees.

Nobody is going to change your occupation to 'escort' because it's a stupid euphemism and completely meaningless, just like 'therapist'. There is no cast iron job description anywhere that states a therapist does not have sex with their clients during sessions; if you buy condoms to use when you're working you can claim them. If you don't wear your work lingerie outside work you can claim that too.

If you buy something solely for work, it's tax deductible. If you're not happy explaining how you use whatever it is for work then don't claim it, but the idea that HMRC give a flying fuck whether you dish out a shag or a blow job, do massages or just shout at punters for an hour to earn the figure you've given them is just plain silly - why would they? The only thing they are interested in is what you've earned and what it's cost you to do so so you pay the right amount of tax - their universe doesn't revolve around you and they just want it all sorting out as efficiently as possible so they can get on with the other few thousand people they're investigating.

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Re: Tax - accountants, deductible expenses, general information
« Reply #47 on: 12 March 2016, 07:27:31 pm »
Thanks Amy, sorry I should have just kept it in the same thread.

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« Reply #48 on: 12 March 2016, 07:33:00 pm »
No, it's OK! But when you're searching for anything here it's a lot easier if it's all in one thread (even if it means ploughing through a really long one) because not only will things get missed, people get fed up of having to repeat themselves and so you might get fewer useful answers if they know it's all been said here already :).

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« Reply #49 on: 12 March 2016, 07:35:10 pm »
can anyone give me a hand with this.

I've spoken to another girl who advised me I need an accountant, however I'm struggling to find one and I don't want to just emal like hey I'm an escort please sort my taxes for me  ;D
I heard about a 'cover story' saying you run a business, like make up or beauty products etc etc but how do you claim tax back on the things us girls need to buy for escorting? I'm in the north west (Preston area) and if anyone has any suggestions that'd be great thanks xx

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Re: Tax - accountants, deductible expenses, general information
« Reply #50 on: 12 March 2016, 07:39:10 pm »
And just like buses, here's another one.

YE, I've merged this for obvious reasons and there's an article on the main site too as well as a fair few oddbod threads scattered about the board which you should be able to find with the Search box :).

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Re: Tax - accountants, deductible expenses, general information
« Reply #51 on: 12 March 2016, 08:59:44 pm »
Lacey - a disclaimer, I'm an AK client, and find them very good. I'm listed as an alternative therapist, and as Amy says, it's perfectly possible that might involve being e.g. some sort of sex surrogate. On the AK spreadsheet, there are columns for 'specialist clothing' (i.e. lingerie, stockings) and 'sundries' (i.e. condoms). There's no details about any of these - I would panic if I had an inspection as I don't keep many receipts/records!

TBH, the main thing that worries me is the advertising/promotion bit, as my website is obviously about escorting only, i.e. I don't have a 'cover story' website as a therapist.

But, I'll cross that bridge if I come to it. My guess would be that so long as you are declaring everything, and not claiming incorrectly, HRMC wouldn't be too bothered.
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« Reply #52 on: 13 March 2016, 01:11:17 am »
Lacey it sounds like you have spoke to my accountant from the tax relief website and I can vouch for him if he is Scottish haha he's a great knowledgeable guy who helped me out immensely when I hired him this year. He does state that you should keep records of bookings but that is so he can fill out and file your tax return for you for a very reasonable fee of course. He has told me to keep a spreadsheet of my bookings and expenses (which I've always religiously done anyway) which I can email him when tax time comes and he'll do the rest, then I keep receipts in case my number ever comes up with HMRC.

From what he has told me only he will see the spreadsheet as the tax man is only interested in the figures not your punters names! Plus I am registered as a Consultant as he advised me most WG's have a pseudonym they work under and that I can claim anything that is used solely for work (petrol, phones, laptops, advertising, lingerie, condoms/lube, website etc.) and partially as well as a business percentage (living space or 'office' even though I don't do incalls of any kind, family laptop, Internet, webcams etc.), I already knew this from filing in the past but thought the info might help you.

Tax seems very intimidating but it's not really it's quite simple to understand when you know the facts and figures lol. Oh and I did email the accountants basically stating I was an escort looking for some advice it's not rude to do so.
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« Reply #53 on: 14 March 2016, 01:55:20 am »
Thanks for the replies Kay and Teddy Bear. :)

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« Reply #54 on: 16 March 2016, 09:19:49 am »
I'm nearing the point of beginning to make a start trying to find work escorting...what I'm wondering is what people describe their job as for the purposes of tax returns and tax credits? I'm self employed already and I like to keep everything above board...what do I tell inland revenue!? Dealing with details before I begin...thanks x

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« Reply #55 on: 16 March 2016, 02:17:08 pm »
If you want to keep everything above board, declare yourself as a sex worker.

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« Reply #56 on: 05 April 2016, 03:36:26 pm »
I'm sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere, but I have searched on here and couldn't find the exact answer.
I registered as an adult entertainer (dancer), but now my accountant told me he needs to have some sort of proof of income either a letter from a club I 'dance' at, or the agency I work for or something similar..
He said to me he doesn't want to get in trouble himself because of me (as he is chartered accountant and all), so I will have to provide him with some sort of proof, so that he is covered should anything occur.
Just wonder, those of you registered as entertainers/dancers, what sort of proof of income did you have to show, if any?
Thank you :)
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« Reply #57 on: 05 April 2016, 03:41:21 pm »
What does he think he'll 'get in trouble' for and with whom, exactly?

If you're self employed you don't work for anybody - I don't imagine many strip clubs and suchlike send letters out and since it wouldn't be in your legal name anyway it doesn't make sense?

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« Reply #58 on: 05 April 2016, 03:45:04 pm »
I'm an independent sole trader, I work for me just as any other self-employed person. No agency or club. I keep a record of income and expenditure and the accountant I employ does the rest.

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« Reply #59 on: 06 April 2016, 10:23:17 pm »
Thank you very much ladies. This is what I thought, but just wanted to double check. Guess it brings up the question of 'adult industry-friendly' accountant (or probably the one who is familiar with dealing with us) vs a regular accountant.

I feel like I made a bit of a rushed decision with him, as he is totally clueless with the way adult-industry works and were originally asking me if I can get a club's manager to confirm in writing at the end of each shift how much money I made... :o

I had to reiterate numerous times how I work for various agencies, private events and even if I do work at a club every once in a while, I'm not intending to share with the managers just how much money I made, as it's none of their business really.

But he is rather inflexible in his thinking bless him, so I'm finding it rather difficult, as instead of answering my questions and making me feel better, by taking some burdens of my shoulders, he seems to be asking me questions and asking me for some 'mission impossible' things.

Oh well, my fault entirely, but as I have (foolishly) paid him his annual fee ?600 upfront, I'm now stuck with him until the end of the year... :FF
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