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General Category => Questions and Answers => Topic started by: Pearl on 05 September 2011, 02:42:00 pm
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Hi ladies,
I have seen that there are a lot of posts about the timewasters.
Can someone of you give me informations on how to recognize a timewaster? However, if there is already a post which deal with, could you give me the link?
Thank you in advance.
Halina
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It's mostly about gut instinct, some guys will say all the right things at all the right times and gals who've been in the biz years can still get caught out but a few signs I would say are:
1) Not following your instructions.
This can be by texting you when you ask him to call, not confirming when you ask him to, not giving you info you request such as address etc.
2) Giving you more info than you need.
Sending 80 messages a day describing what he's going to do to you and how. Some guys are legit and get over excited but far more are just fantasists getting off on you reading their fantasies.
3) Asking too many questions.
That's normally a bad sign. Guys who call and ask you to describe yourself and your services can be just looking for something to jack off to.
4) Wanting to have a session somewhere unusual.
Anyone who wants to meet in public gets a big no stamp from me, it's a house, a hotel or not at all.
5) Anyone who asks for an over nighter out of the blue should be accepted with a pinch of salt.
Ditto for groups, couples and any other big money makers, especially if they haven't quite worked out all the details yet and will get back to you soon.
All these are from my personal experience and I'm sure other ladies will have more advice, some will have stories that contradict mine but hey ho, it's an odd biz with odder clients lol!
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Hi MissArcaBunny,
I feel that I have still to learn a lot about escorting.
Thank you so much for your prompt answer.
Halina
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Timewaster spotting is as much a practice thing and I assure you will get better as you go.
MissArcaBunny has put it perfectly so there's not much to add except to assure you spotting them will become a 6th sense. There are the odd exception and yes some guys will just say the wrong things and you say no when they were totally genuine. Unfortunately your safety and time comes first so that's just the way it is.
It really is an instinct you'll have what seems like a genuine call but for some reason somethings not right and sure enough minutes after the call they text to cancel..and you're like well that was just pointless lol ::)
The key is to stay in control of calls so you are asking the questions not them.
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The key is to stay in control of calls so you are asking the questions not them.
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Oh, now THAT is another excellent, succinct and simple point. (She speaks from experience with all the questioners)
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Yes, that's a great summary, MissArcaBunny - if it's okay, I might transfer its contents (with credit) to the Articles section of this forum in a little while? Will give others the chance to post any other great tips here first, and then once we've got a good collection we can move it over so the thread can be more easily found and referred to when new newbies ask. :D It's a very important topic!
Oh, and shouldn't forget that there is a main page article (http://www.saafe.info/spottingtimewasters.htm) on the topic with quotes from other sex workers on how to spot and avoid TWs, too.
(I totally agree about the outfits thing mentioned there; I don't do roleplay or costumes, so of course anyone who asks me for those is either silly or just trying to have a tedious wank down the phone, but even clients who request specific stockings, shoes, clothing etc are often just fantasists. To avoid wasting my time, I'll always tell them that we can discuss things like clothing when he gets here - if he's genuine, he has no reason to object to that, and if he's a timewaster he'll be disappointed that I'm not going to chat about sexy outfits on the phone. Win-win. ;D)
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I think I would say that anyone who says 'Money's no object' or who offers you over and above your going rate for no definite reason is a time waster.
Some men will offer additional money to persuade you to offer extra services which is a try on and may or may not result in a booking - but if they just randomly round your rates up like they have so much money its irrelevant then (in my experience) they're ALWAYS just wasting your time...
R xx
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I agree with all the above. You will just get a 'feel' for it as you get more experienced, but Miss Arca Bunny covers the main points.
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"What are you wearing? Tell me exactly"
&
"What sort of 'things' do you like to do?"
We here on the SAAFE board aren't asking you that, on this thread :P
but a timewaster will, via repeated texts and/or a phone call he tries to string things out.
Q. Any guesses what he's doing during this time?...
A. Stealing your time and also stealing money from performers who provide naughty calls for coin, by trying to get his rocks off for free. grrrr!
You will pick up on the things we are talking about,
really quickly when you have a volume of calls / texts enquires. You will soon know who are the timewasters
and who are not.
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Add anybody who says he's looking for a new regular lady and will definitely be making at least 5 three hour bookings a week (or whatever - these are the discount hunters) ::).
Also anyone who earnestly tells you that he always has trouble with the ladies because his cock is so huge (he has to get condoms custom made, honest) and do you think you'll be able to handle it, and what will you do with it, etc etc. In fact I would include anybody who mentions his genitals (or God forbid, sends pictures ;D).
Like everybody else says, it's a learning curve and everybody picks it up at different rates - don't feel bad if you spend at least a handful of occasions all dressed up and waiting for some prat who sounded so keen but doesn't show. We've all done it :).
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Anyone that makes a booking politely and succinctly and THEN starts asking questions. Will never show, has just tried to lure you in.
Any texts that start "hi hun/babe/sexy". Even if they do ring when you ask them to , (highly unlikely) they will never book, having spammed it to 50 others looking for sexy chat.
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Dear ladies,
a big thank you to all of you for the answers.
Halina :)
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....anyone who says "Just answer one more question", or who insists they can't phone because their girlfriend/children are in the next room.
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If someone is serious about booking you, they will usually suggest at least 2 out of day/time, venue and booking length. Genuine clients also usually read your website and have no problems following your booking procedures.
Timewaster hallmarks (not always, but red flags)
- anyone who asks questions when the answer is clearly on your website (be it about your looks, services, fees or location)
- anyone who is vague about a booking
- anyone who babbles on about how much they value trust/honesty/openness/connections
- anyone who says they are looking for a new regular
- anyone who says they want an overnight or 4+ hour appointment for a first booking
- anyone who tries to get you into drawn-out email, text or phone conversations
- anyone who goes into extensive details about what they want to do during the booking (fantasists)
- anyone who makes excuses about why they cannot do something you ask (e.g. make booking through adultwork, send you a hotel room number, travel fees in advance)
- be careful of guys who say they want social bookings to 'get to know you' etc. beforehand - while some of these guys are genuine and a 1-2 hr social booking is a good chance for them to test the waters before seeing you for longer, I do feel that the majority are timewasters.
- anyone who refuses or is reluctant to give required information about themselves or the booking
Personally I find the fantasist timewasters the worst, as they can be the hardest to spot!
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Just to add - anyone who wants you to be a travel companion bearing in mind they've never seen you before! X
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Not being difficult, or trying to confuse, but just a small disclaimer to throw in there. I have been fortunate enough to find that the cases where...
- anyone who says they are looking for a new regular
- anyone who says they want an overnight or 4+ hour appointment for a first booking
- be careful of guys who say they want social bookings to 'get to know you' etc. beforehand
have actually been real life genuine clients.
However, I still handle each and everyone of the above with a huge handful of salt. Until phone calls have been made, safety and security checks have been carried out, and I actually have the correct amount of money stashed away in my bag, I treat them like they are going to be a timewaster.
Like others have said, spotting timewasters is something you pick up over time. There are some obvious things that will set the alarm bells off, but you'll come up gradually with your own things that set your spidey-senses tingling. For me, I just make as many hoops as I can possibly think of for guys to jump through, if they don't jump high enough they don't get to see me. Simples. I actually had one guy though say to me "considering what you do, you're making it very hard for me to see you". Funnily enough he didn't make it through the 'polite & respectful hoop'.
The genuine clients will jump through the hoops. The timewasters will drop out pretty quickly, the fantasists will disappear once the specially reserved 'pay me a deposit hoop' gets brought out and the not-so-nice people will cause a fuss about the hoops and you don't really want to see them anyways so it's a good thing too!
(sorry for getting carried away about hoops ;) )
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Also:
Anyone who asks for you to text a photo to them or texts you a photo of their cock.
Anyone who makes an appointment and then asks what you look like after making the booking.
Anyone who asks if you would indulge their fetish for smelly feet/shoes/armpits etc.
Anyone who asks if you do anal and then ask if size is a problem.
Like everyone says you will get your own spidey senses after a while. don't forget to check the timewaster section of the site.
Jas x
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I find it funny that most guys who say they are -
Fit
Attractive
Well Endowed
Rich
And will become a regular
are time wasters, but my favourite reg is all of the above and, apart from the having money bit, had no idea!
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I find it funny that most guys who say they are -
Fit
Attractive
Well Endowed
Rich
And will become a regular
are time wasters, but my favourite reg is all of the above and, apart from the having money bit, had no idea!
Oh, I know what you mean - some of my favourite clients are all of those things but they'd never mention it themselves because, well, because they aren't tedious fools. :P
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I find it funny that most guys who say they are -
Fit
Attractive
Well Endowed
Rich
And will become a regular
are time wasters, but my favourite reg is all of the above and, apart from the having money bit, had no idea!
Oh, I know what you mean - some of my favourite clients are all of those things but they'd never mention it themselves because, well, because they aren't tedious fools. :P
Yeah this particular guy is like 2 coke cans stacked one on top of the other yet was genuinely surprised when I went :o lol poor guy watches too my porn lol
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For me its just a gut instinct i diont know why but i can sort of tell there lying plus all of what the other girls have said applies.
I think with haveing a lying ex husband and four sons that like to tell you the odd fib as helped lol :D
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There is also another type of timewaster that rarely gets a mention;
He books you the one time, just so you can experience his *God-liness and stud-ability* ( because a straight call offering his Escort services has resulted in shrieking laughter and the phone being cut dead more times than he can remember )
At the end of the first booking when you assure him he has performed like a King and is quite a catch ( flattery sinks in deepest post-coital ;) ) He starts to hint at his interest himself at your career and wonders if you ever need a partner? When that results in a negative, he leaves it a few weeks then starts to text matey little stuff like; " Hey, what u up to?" and " fancy chillaxin wiv me?" He wants sex with you again, but no way will he pay for it twice with the same Escort!! That's for old fat blokes who can't get it for free right? He sends you unrequested topless pics to remind you of his hunkability ( I even have one of these who always signs off as " The Greek God" - I swear on Channel that I have never suggested he is such a thing! ) :P
He will even go so far as vaguely making a booking with you but, when you remind him of your rate before getting ready to meet ( and it includes no stud-muffin discount whatsoever ) He texts to cancel. He will attempt to keep regular contact with you in this way for the rest of your Escort life or (less likely) until he meets an Escort that will be his girlfriend.
For me, these timewasters are treated just the same as the ones I have never met and marked for life in my phone and diary.
Mess with me once, shame on you .. Mess with me twice, shame on me! XX
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lol I have a guy who keeps emailing me saying "if you're ever single let me know, I would love you to be my girlfriend and I have no problem with what you do" Which I always laugh at since it's very high minded as he pays for the service!
I also forgot to mention 100% of the "virgins" who've told me before booking have been time wasters. I would probably add those guys to the 1st time overnighter, group or couple etc group. I wouldn't hold my breath for them.
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And "virgins" as far as hiring an escort, as well!
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Yep, someone told me he was new to this hence all the questions. Then went on to ask if 1 hour was 1 hour, because he'd had bad experience with girls kicking him out after he had come very early into the appointment time.
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Sorry to resurrect an old post but I?ve got some TW activity to add as well?
Asking at least one question per email to prolong the correspondence as long as possible
Asking about my private life, i.e. about my boyfriend or my masturbation habits
Asking how often I orgasm with clients
Asking if I would tell them how bookings with other clients have gone (before meeting obviously!)
Asking what the biggest cock I?ve had is
Asking if I get naturally wet
Plus all the others that have already been mentioned, especially the ?my mate gave me your number? (funny how the mate never thinks to give them my website address though, or give them any info at all!), ?I like to give pleasure, so what do you like sexually??, and ?I?m looking for a new regular lady?.
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Texting and asking 'hello is this ......?' :FF
Emailing and asking 'How do I make a booking?'
Can I have your number?
Can I phone you?
I have read your profile and would like to ask a few questions. Sends number... ::)
No introduction whatsoever. 'could you please text/email your postcode'
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(funny how the mate never thinks to give them my website address though, or give them any info at all!
I've been having lately tons of "my mate gave me your number can I have some details please" calls. I guess it's the hot weather. Mine is a 3 second answer:
"Google my number. Read my website. Look at my photos and call me back if still interested. Good bye!"
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After about half a year in i am now seeing the tws....
today text: can u come to ibstock for outcall. reply: yes no problem book me through aw or call with details. next text can u do CIM OWO AND ANAL in half hr... reply: no too far for half hr. two days in a row he did that..
next one, text: i would like to meet sometime, reply: make a booking.
next one, do u do bla bla bla, reply: please read my profile...
hard work :FF :FF
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I'm new to both this world and saafe so please tell me if I do something wrong here :)
A few days ago I received an email asking for a booking, after exchanging a few emails the booking was made and confirmed and my address sent over the day before the booking was due to take place. Guy seemed very genuine, direct and I had no reason to believe he was a time waster.
Appointment time arrives and he hasn't shown so I contact him asking him to let me know if something has come up, to which he replies he is late and will be with me with some friends by 4.30.
The original booking was 3, he had never mentioned these 'friends' before in our prior communication, and he just assumed it was okay to call at this new time without even asking.
I know sometimes things come up and it can't be helped, and I do list mmf on my ad, so I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt as he seemed genuine, professional etc, so I confirmed this new time.
Comes to 5pm and still hasn't shown, so I contact him telling him if he is serious he will need to rebook (Should have just told him to fuck off, sometimes I am too polite!) to which he replies with "That's fine I'll be there tomorrow morning."
Again with the assumption he can come whenever he wants to and this is after telling him in an original email I am available only weekday afternoons and evenings!
And what a surprise, he didn't show this morning either. I haven't bothered to contact him, and have heard nothing from him since. I'm hoping I don't have to worry he has my address.
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I would suggest you have a look around the forum for topics on booking and confirmation procedures. Things like phone contact at a definite time, giving out the address only when sure can minimise the chances of people wasting your time.
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I would suggest you have a look around the forum for topics on booking and confirmation procedures. Things like phone contact at a definite time, giving out the address only when sure can minimise the chances of people wasting your time.
This is really why I've moved this post here from Warnings - I think it's far more important that the OP here gets some advice rather than bunging up the TW board with a textbook messer who most of us would spot as soon as he didn't confirm.
Hannah, there's a lot of different problems here but firstly the majority of us would not give our full addresses out to random people off the internet, and if you don't either, you won't be in this position again of worrying about somebody you don't know turning up whenever they feel like it. A street name or nearby landmark such a shop, even a post box is usual - pick a place that you can see if possible, and only when you know for certain they've arrived give out the house number (and I don't even do this).
If somebody has booked for a particular time, and then has to alter it for whatever reason they need to tell you before that time rolls round; it is not for you to sit about waiting to be summoned and it isn't for you to chase him, either. If somebody doesn't show and hasn't contacted you to say why (I give them about ten minutes before I get changed and forget about it, although I get very few no shows) then save/block their number and forget about them.
As for just deciding that he's 'going to bring some mates' over with him, if you really can't see what's wrong here then I think you need to seriously consider whether you've thought about your work practices properly - you have to be confident and assertive to do this job and whether you advertise MMF (as do I) or not does not mean that it's for punters to decide when you do it and with whom. You need serious security in place to maintain your safety, but even aside from that you need to lose the idea that because somebody is paying they can do whatever they like and it doesn't matter. I offer anal, but that doesn't mean it's OK for a punter to just shove it in my bum without asking me first.
This bloke is unlikely to ever come anywhere near you, but if you don't have a booking procedure beyond 'here's the address, I'll see you then' then this sort of thing is going to happen a lot. Read through the main SAAFE site (http://www.saafe.info/) and you should find lots of helpful stuff to make you feel a bit more on top of things :).
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Thank you for the replies and help and advice Strawberry and Amy.
I generally tend not to give my address until the client is near, and thought little of it this time as it was such short notice-wont be making that mistake again and will be using a nearby street instead.
I was also quite pissed about him mentioning friends, but wasn't sure if that was okay/acceptable etc given I had it listed within the hourly rate. Now I know to tell them to get lost if they try to arrange it that way again.
Your response has been very helpful Amy, thank you :)
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I'm new to both this world and saafe so please tell me if I do something wrong here :)
A few days ago I received an email asking for a booking, after exchanging a few emails the booking was made and confirmed and my address sent over the day before the booking was due to take place. Guy seemed very genuine, direct and I had no reason to believe he was a time waster.
Appointment time arrives and he hasn't shown so I contact him asking him to let me know if something has come up, to which he replies he is late and will be with me with some friends by 4.30.
The original booking was 3, he had never mentioned these 'friends' before in our prior communication, and he just assumed it was okay to call at this new time without even asking.
I know sometimes things come up and it can't be helped, and I do list mmf on my ad, so I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt as he seemed genuine, professional etc, so I confirmed this new time.
Comes to 5pm and still hasn't shown, so I contact him telling him if he is serious he will need to rebook (Should have just told him to fuck off, sometimes I am too polite!) to which he replies with "That's fine I'll be there tomorrow morning."
Again with the assumption he can come whenever he wants to and this is after telling him in an original email I am available only weekday afternoons and evenings!
And what a surprise, he didn't show this morning either. I haven't bothered to contact him, and have heard nothing from him since. I'm hoping I don't have to worry he has my address.
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Always ask them to phone as it is difficult to get a gut instink about via email it could be some one wanking for example playing a prank. Always get clients to confirm on the day of booking before giving the street name. If a client changes his mind mid booking, bringing one other man. That is a red alert on it's own. I got robbed by two men, well one posed as client the other took me by surprise. Some do like calling the shots for one reason or the other. But they need to respect my rules before the meeting as if pushy goodness knows what during encounters. Stay safe. xx.
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Hi Hannah,
I would also say (although it's up to you) that it may not be wise to list MMF threesomes (or any other kind of group booking) within your hourly rate. It's more work, and a lot more risky safety-wise for you to see more people, and I think it's very much expected by clients that you will charge more per person. If you charge the same amount for one man as for many, it increases the risk of guys turning up unexpectedly with friends, as this one nearly did. After all, they get their service plus they save more money the more people they bring. If you want to do that and that's your reasoned choice then that's fine, but I think you should be aware that group bookings included in the hourly rate isn't something that's routinely offered, and in fact I've never heard of any other escort doing that at all. Just something to think about x
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Over email some can be convincing with words and should only be taken serious when their money is in your hand. Clients need to prove they are genuine before as assuming I got wrong a few times. I can tell 9 times out of 10 by thier voice and one other who I talk to can too. Also the pornographic details they want for s booking when inquiring most likly they are wanking waiting. So I just explain come then you will see. I don't here from them again this says it all. Also be carful of the same ones who keeps booking then cancelling. A few do this then deny like they try and fool me but only themselves. Always get changed on arrival so if a no show it wouldn't matter as much just do other things around the house etc.
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I am sick of them but how do you know who is and who isn't.
I don't see many people and get very cross when these tossers book me and then vanish.
What can we do ?
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Well there's some advice on the main SAAFE site, and you can also type 'spotting timewasters' or similar into the Search box here which will fetch up quite a few past threads where this has been discussed.
This one (http://www.saafe.info/main/index.php?topic=6422.0) should be helpful, and also this one (http://www.saafe.info/main/index.php?topic=18220) with regard to booking procedures - I very rarely have a problem with no shows and I think a strict booking/confirmation procedure is largely the reason why :).
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ive not had many time wasters but i remember my 1st one, they wanted me to go and meet them at a hotel, i went there and waited and they said they couldnt make it... i feel like an idiot
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You'll be able to spot tw with a bit of practice.
Read those threads Amy put up. They saved me whole lot of time when I started. Really a lot!
You'll learn with time. It's a bit difficult at the beginning because you want to have bookings etc. So you'll probably get one tw or two. But you'll know quickly how to spot them.
Good luck.
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Hi, just wanted to ask the more experienced ladies, how do you get the vibes that you are dealing with a timewaster on the phone?
I usually get the idea when they are whispering into the phone for no reason and when they ask too many questions re services or something I don't offer e.g. 15 min bookings or start describing their genital size. Is there anything else to watch out for? Thank you.
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The ones that ring repeatedly for the same info but don't make a booking,the ones that ask for your address so they can come round without making a proper appointment.Guys who ring up and ask if they can speak to the escort rather than your name.The ones that sound over friendly tend to be timewasters like asking you over and over how you are and if you are busy.Most genuine blokes ring up and get on with making a booking.Oh the over detailed dressing requests tend to be no shows as well.
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I find it's the ones that go into a LOT of detail about either themselves or what they want to do.
Talking about cock size - either extreme of size - has been a cast iron sign of a TW with me, as are those that describe something in particular, like how much they want to come on my breasts, for example. Also ones that go on that wish they could bareback me (and even if they weren't a TW, I wouldn't see them).
Sadly, also, being younger than about 28 seems to increase the chances - both in terms of never making a booking or not turning up if they do.
Otherwise it's just good old woman's intuition, using a silly voice, asking a bizarrely specific question etc.
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My tips are
1.If you doubt them and they found you through AW ask them to put a booking form through 9 times out of 10 you wont get one.
2.If they get too personal asking what you will be wearing for the meeting.
3.If they volunteer the size of their dick and will you be able to manage it
4.When you give them your post code after a few seconds ask them to read it back to you if they cant they usually hang up straight away.
5.List timewasters on your phone its amazing how many times a man will call you week in week out with no intention of turning up but if you have logged his number you will be prepared.
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I usually block them instead of saving their numbers under TW1 TW2...but after a while they may figure out they are blocked and try another number. However, with so many WGs out there I rarely get timewasters coming back to me, they usually move on to the next victim once they been rumbled.
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As well as the above tips you will very quickly develop an intuition.
This job teaches you these things very quickly.
One thing I tell all new clients nicely is if they can't make it just to drop me a quick text.
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When they don't read your ad, ask lots of questions and they say they'll call back. They never do. Except one who did earlier this week and was very nice :)
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I agree with Helen,
If you ask them to make a booking through AW, you'll find if they are a TW, 9 times out of 10 they won't. I've started doing this now, and it seems to be filtering them out well! x
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hiwhen they ask for a face pic .when thy ask me for pic they usually don't book so i refuse to send anything xx
rose xxx
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4.When you give them your post code after a few seconds ask them to read it back to you if they cant they usually hang up straight away.
I just had a guy do this. He said sorry he didn't catch it and I said nevermind and hung up!
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Sometimes I struggle, but how do you tell a "genuine" time waster from simply a guy who is making a genuine enquiry?
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Some are more obvious than others.
Genuine clients tend to make contact, are clear about who they are phoning, have a definite time, date, booking length in mind and are able to follow a reasonable booking procedure eg phone at an agreed time to confirm and obtain directions.
TW tend to want to ask a lot of questions without actually committing, or start umming and ahhing.
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Asking lots of questions... I particularly notice when they continue to ask questions after I've said I don't do something. "Do you deep throat?" "No, I'm sorry, I don't." "OK. Do you do watersports?"
To my way of thinking, if they're looking for something in particular then they should move on and find a girl who does it. But some guys will keep you on the phone even after it's apparent that you're not what they claim they're looking for.
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TW: 5-10 minutes of questions...then...'I ring you later'/'Too much money'/ hangs up/cums
Mr Genuine: 10 seconds....then....I'd like an appointment please'
Give them 10 seconds and if you can't work it out say....
'I'll call you back'
or
'Call back in 10 minutes'
Then figure out if they are genuine or wasters over a biscuit.
Too many wanky questions and they are wasters.
You don't have to answer any or all of his questions.
You are the boss.
If you're new and not sure..... take your time with that biscuit. ;)
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ask them to call back in 10 as Paris once advised wisely on here (thankyou) ;)
the genuine ones always do and the timewasters have often moved on or jerked off
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My tips:
- refuses to call you when asked;
- sends thousands mails/texts;
- cannot set exact date/time of the booking;
- asks questions your profile already answers;
- tries make you describe what you're wearing/what you like;
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hmmm??..it's all very intuitive isn't it and you quickly learn to pick up signs.
I had my very first 'no show' this morning, and was rather pissed off as got up early and went to the flat and he didn't arrive, he's now blocked. Although we spoke a couple of times over the last week, and he booked last week but I had to cancel, and then every time he tried to rebook, I wasn't available.
I did get a slight 'maybe' when he texted 2 days ago and said 'you must be busy, taking too long to reply'???that smacks of tw to me, but he'd been straightforward up to then, and sounded nice.
It's all a bit of a game isn't it, trying to spot them before they waste too much of your time. (Sadly my daughter was sick at school and I had to pick her up and cancel my other 2 appointments for today, so will just forget about it and say, today was not a money day, tomorrow will probably be better.)
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I think the most frustrating ones are the brinkmanship type as I call them.The ones where there are little hitches or vibes but it could be plausible so you give them the benefit of the doubt.
Example:Bloke emailed me politely at the weekend asking to meet Sunday.I wasn't available so politely ask for him to ring during the week to arrange another day.He emailed back and asked if he should ring this weekend or on Monday.First slight red flag as I had made it clear already to ring in the week.
He rang Monday and booked for Tuesday,he asked a couple of daft questions but had explained he was new to seeing escorts..so still plausible.
He didn't confirm Tuesday but did email later to say his relative had been rushed to hospital...plausible maybe and he rearranged for an hour on Saturday at 1pm.
Last night he emailed asking if he could have a 30 min duo instead...red flags raising a little more...emailed back and told no as my duo friends are on hols until Friday night and as its his first time and due to us not actually meeting as yet I didn't feel it was a good idea at this stage.
He rang this morning claiming he hasn't read my reply yet so thought he would just ring..reiterated what I said on the email he then starts on about our 2pm on Sunday...last piece of a timewaster jigsaw the fact he clearly doesn't know what day or time he has rearranged for.Nipped in the bud too many little bugbears for me.Those are the most annoying though because they drag it out playing as I say brinkmanship games.
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I recognise that behaviour bibi.
Whilst there are clients who are genuine, potential clients who display obvious TW behaviour there are several who just have bad luck or who are disorganised, and it can be difficult to work out whether they are genuine or not.
One man couldn't organise transport, was always last minute, booked in advance promising this time he'd be there and let me down several times. He did eventually turn up, lovely in person but difficult and lots of hassle to organise bookings. Not a TW as such, but a more trouble that it's worth.
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Hi Steele
I have had the same numbers this week I am getting pissed with these time wasters and it is to the point were I am having a attitude with genuine clients if you know what I mean,have you got any advice on how to deal with this situation as I feel it makes me angry and then when a client does text and ask a question I go on the defense and can be quiet rude ,I guess wat I am say is have you any tips that I can use to work out if there time waster and are that are genuine clients I know some do get away with it and we cant stop that I hope you not to confused about what I saying but find it difficult to put things in words ,I hope you don't mind me askingx
Cheers x
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Anyone who tells you how horny they are, tells you how big they are, tells you that they will stay as long as you would like them to, tells you they will turn up as they have money to burn/spend etc... Asks millions of questions....
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Another tell tale sign for me is when they book (usually about a week or several days in advance!) And want an address there and then, even though I give them a postcode and clearly say please contact me on the day of your booking to confirm and I will send you details of where to park etc. But they want my full address so they "know where to come" Sure sign of an address collector; as if I'd tell a total stranger my full address including the house number? They usually give up when they realise that they won't be getting my door number until I can see them parked up in the spot I told them to park, but a select few will "arrive" on said day, say that they're at the postcode and ask for my door number despite not being there when I look out the window.
Address collectors are one of the more sinister kind of time wasters, I always wonder what they want girls addresses for. Glad I'm experienced enough to spot them now, makes me concerned for newbies though!
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Initially, genuine one(s), can easily turn into TWs. Regular texting mainly, asking for my availability (likely wanking himself off) and this goes on over weeks. I subsequently insisted on sending me the online booking. Today, nothing came through whilst he asked when I would be free (as if he ought to know) and asked for a booking. He then texted me, "have you received my booking yet?". He knows how to book on AW. Blocked this idiot today. I knew this was coming but still somewhat unpleasant (mainly he wasn't a TW to begin with / I had sex with this guy and he turned into an Idiot). Likely, he was an idiot to begin with and I was too naive not to notice. :-\ :'( >:( Wow, it must be either all the bad weather or the weeks dealing with "them" ??? I gotta chill..::) :P
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I'll apologise now if anyone has to deal with a Scouse dickhead...
He'd called me before, mentioning his big dick, and of course never confirmed. Rang me again recently as if we'd never spoken before, after initial queries, "So, do you like a big dick then?" Non-committal noise from me. Bit more chit-chat. "You like big dicks then?" Me: "You've already asked me that."
I probably shouldn't have, but then told him that we viewed anyone who mentioned their dick size as a TW. He sounded a little offended, but strung out the pretence a bit longer then said he would call back to confirm a time.
I'm still waiting!
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Initially, genuine one(s), can easily turn into TWs. Regular texting mainly, asking for my availability (likely wanking himself off) and this goes on over weeks. I subsequently insisted on sending me the online booking. Today, nothing came through whilst he asked when I would be free (as if he ought to know) and asked for a booking. He then texted me, "have you received my booking yet?". He knows how to book on AW. Blocked this idiot today. I knew this was coming but still somewhat unpleasant (mainly he wasn't a TW to begin with / I had sex with this guy and he turned into an Idiot). Likely, he was an idiot to begin with and I was too naive not to notice. :-\ :'( >:( Wow, it must be either all the bad weather or the weeks dealing with "them" ??? I gotta chill..::) :P
For me these are the most frustrating type of TW. I've had a couple of regular clients turn in to text pests, and cancel bookings at the last minute. In the past I've given them the benefit of the doubt as I've seen them a few times before with no issues until now, but after the third cancellation in a row (which usually follows an annoying text tennis session about what we'll do this time) I've ended up saying enough is enough. So bloody annoying as they end up wasting time I wouldn't have tolerated from a newbie. Really don't understand why/when a regular turns into a regular idiot!!
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For me these are the most frustrating type of TW. I've had a couple of regular clients turn in to text pests, and cancel bookings at the last minute. In the past I've given them the benefit of the doubt as I've seen them a few times before with no issues until now, but after the third cancellation in a row (which usually follows an annoying text tennis session about what we'll do this time) I've ended up saying enough is enough. So bloody annoying as they end up wasting time I wouldn't have tolerated from a newbie. Really don't understand why/when a regular turns into a regular idiot!!
BJC
A great post!!! Escorting is far more complex than I ever previously thought. It's so incredibly helpful to know that this is a known behaviour in some punters. I feel much better about this. I hate to be played by punters with his juvenile / infantile behavior. Now, he (your ex regular and mine) can find someone else to fuck around. ;D
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I've had regulars suddenly start doing no shows and I'm the same after the third cancellation or second no show from a previously good regular it's game over.
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It's just bloody rude. A particular incident that sticks in my mind is when a guy ID seen a couple of times booked and did a no show,no cancellation, nothing. A few days later he texted me apologising and said his mother had been rushed into hospital and had sadly died, hence why he didn't get in touch. 6 months later he rebooked, and after a long questionnaire via text about what we could do he went quiet 20 mins before he was supposed to arrive. Then nothing. 2 days later he apologised; apparently his mother had just died. I replied; "What, again?! Gosh, that is unlucky for your mother to pass away TWICE in 6 months." Then I sent a screenshot of his texts from 6 months ago, from the last time his mother died. Never heard from him again...
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I hate that. The regulars who turn into no shows or cancel consecutively I usually give people two chances and that's it then I stop seeing them. Funny how when you put your foot down and refuse to book them again they come running back and suddenly have all the free time in the world to see you!
I once had a regularish client no show me twice in a row and his excuse the next day for the first on was he has been burgled.... I thought hmm okay could be true, so let that one go, second time he cancels he says he was mugged and was unconscious and in hospital with a broken leg and a head injury but can see me tomorrow, I was like really???? You never thought to think your lies through first? It's so silly!
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It's just bloody rude. What, again?! Gosh, that is unlucky for your mother to pass away TWICE in 6 months." Then I sent a screenshot of his texts from 6 months ago, from the last time his mother died. Never heard from him again...
I would say he probably had "borderline personality". These men do exist. I heard excuses of "mother died" in my civvie street life. Often used by men to attract "oh you, poor thing" in female psyche. Once this is said, it's a done deal. ::) ::) Pathological liars.
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Not sure where to post my question.
I have received a call from guy calling himself Ray from landline phone Bournemouth area. He started talking about his bad experience with the other girls and how badly he was treated by them. The eventually found the one he liked but now she's got a cancer. He said his long term relationship broke and he moved from Midlands and now living in New Forest.
He was very chatty and asking me where I'm staying when i come to Southampton and telling me that he doesn't mind even travelling to Oxford to see me if the need be. I had trouble by trying to finish conversation and said could you make a booking through AW please to which he replied he doesn't do AW after all bad experience he had (although he wad telling me what a great feedback he's got and girls kept saying how nice he smells and what a gent he is etc etc). After i asked how he found my profile as i don't advertised anywhere else he said he doesn't do AW anymore, but the thing is i only put Southampton on my profile a day before.
Anyway , he asked if i do role play to which I day I don't and he said fair enough. He asked for my email address so he could email me some details. I gave him my work email address and he emailed me 3 page scenario of domination role play !!!! I stopped reading it after about 5Th line but then I remembered that probably 3 years ago i received a few emails from guy called Ray and situation was a bit similar - first arranging booking then he couldn't make it so rearrange twice and then emailed me a very long scenario and I just blocked him.
My profile on AW is different from the one I had back then so I can't check it. I was wondering if anyone came across this guy? He said his name on AW (after I insisted on him giving it to me) [removed as it's irrelevant] but of course I cannot find any one by this nickname more than likely because it does not exist. I don't have his mobile number just landline which didn't give me any results when i tried to google it.
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This from start to finish is a red flag, not a client that you want to take on as he sounds like he would be a pest if he did turn up but is most likely a fantasist or timewaster.
Stay away from him and block him if you can. Don't reply to his emails.
I don't answer landlines or private numbers.
xx
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He just sounds like a timewaster probably getting off on chatting on the phone.I would have just told him that I wouldn't be able to book him in as he was on a landline and ask him to call back from his mobile (he wouldn't have done).If you are finding it hard to get off the phone when someone is waffling and you aren't interested then asking them to call back because someone is at the door is a good one.
I wouldn't worry about it.Just a timewaster I don't think anything sinister.
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By the way you can't search for service seekers on AW as far as I am aware.Only service providers come up on an AW search.
I wouldn't waste your energy on looking up silly callers on google etc.If I did that for every idiot that called I'd never be off the computer.Just block his emails and store his number as timewaster.
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If you have someone like this on the phone its easy to get rid of them by putting the phone down on them mid conversation this action ends their train of thought and jolts their flow. BAM!
I put the phone down on men I then list them under twat, if they call me back and say
"We must of got cut off"
"No we didn't get cut off I put the phone down on you"
"Why?"..
"Because...You're annoying, you're a fantasist, you weren't listening, you are wanking down the phone while I'm talking" I give them the reason
I'm always straightforward with these idiots as I've found its that's the best way to deal with them it leaves them under no false impression that I can spot them as being wankers, TW's and fantasists from the get go and that's not going to fly.
They rarely bother me again and if they do their numbers listed on my phone.
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By the way you can't search for service seekers on AW as far as I am aware.Only service providers come up on an AW search.
I wouldn't waste your energy on looking up silly callers on google etc.If I did that for every idiot that called I'd never be off the computer.Just block his emails and store his number as timewaster.
If you put the guys username and Adultwork in google and search it will usually bring up results if they've left another lady feedback. If they've got no feedback there will be no results though.
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Some one i seen before is wanting to arrange an overnight etc all seemed legit until he said his going to have a wank over my photos like it is going to turn me on. I was going to buy an outfit he requested but won't waste my time. Some like to talk to much when they phone.
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Hi,
I'm a few days into AW and got a message from a potential client. He just wont stop messaging me and is insisting I should call him to find out if we get along well.
I feel like if he was serious, he should have really gotten into details about the meeting, what he wants etc but all he wants to talk about is me sending him pics and asking me to call him.
I don't even feel interested in the booking anymore.
What are the sure signs of a potential time waster? Thanks
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Hi,
I'm a few days into AW and got a message from a potential client. He just wont stop messaging me and is insisting I should call him to find out if we get along well.
I feel like if he was serious, he should have really gotten into details about the meeting, what he wants etc but all he wants to talk about is me sending him pics and asking me to call him.
I don't even feel interested in the booking anymore.
What are the sure signs of a potential time waster? Thanks
The signs are all those that you have mentioned (along with others).
I recommend you to block the guy.
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He's after free wank material. Email him back "If you're interested in making a booking, please call me to discuss. I won't be emailing any further."
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thank you Admin for adding my question here! This is so helpful!
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It's mostly about gut instinct, some guys will say all the right things at all the right times and gals who've been in the biz years can still get caught out but a few signs I would say are:
1) Not following your instructions.
This can be by texting you when you ask him to call, not confirming when you ask him to, not giving you info you request such as address etc.
2) Giving you more info than you need.
Sending 80 messages a day describing what he's going to do to you and how. Some guys are legit and get over excited but far more are just fantasists getting off on you reading their fantasies.
3) Asking too many questions.
That's normally a bad sign. Guys who call and ask you to describe yourself and your services can be just looking for something to jack off to.
4) Wanting to have a session somewhere unusual.
Anyone who wants to meet in public gets a big no stamp from me, it's a house, a hotel or not at all.
5) Anyone who asks for an over nighter out of the blue should be accepted with a pinch of salt.
Ditto for groups, couples and any other big money makers, especially if they haven't quite worked out all the details yet and will get back to you soon.
All these are from my personal experience and I'm sure other ladies will have more advice, some will have stories that contradict mine but hey ho, it's an odd biz with odder clients lol!
Perfect
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Add anybody who says he's looking for a new regular lady and will definitely be making at least 5 three hour bookings a week (or whatever - these are the discount hunters) ::).
Also anyone who earnestly tells you that he always has trouble with the ladies because his cock is so huge (he has to get condoms custom made, honest) and do you think you'll be able to handle it, and what will you do with it, etc etc. In fact I would include anybody who mentions his genitals (or God forbid, sends pictures ;D).
Like everybody else says, it's a learning curve and everybody picks it up at different rates - don't feel bad if you spend at least a handful of occasions all dressed up and waiting for some prat who sounded so keen but doesn't show. We've all done it :).
Yes, to all of these but the BIG COCK one has to be the Best lol
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In all fairness, I have seen some sizeable units who would understandably have had a struggle in certain activities due to their size. However, TW displays are usually multi factorial and not solely the mention of their appendage making them easy to spot.
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In all fairness, I have seen some sizeable units who would understandably have had a struggle in certain activities due to their size. However, TW displays are usually multi factorial and not solely the mention of their appendage making them easy to spot.
MrsX
The way you put this is just fantastic! :D
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I have one or two ex clients that have seen me before. Now they have my number, they start to drop a "booty call" type of text: " Hey hun how are you". I say politely that i'm ok and would they like an appointment? Then nothing! After a few more like that I just block them. I'm also wary when I have a potential client writing me a long drawn out essay as to what he would like to do with me. When I ask would you like to discuss this further and arrange a booking, I get no response. Also you have the odd one prior to meeting you who suddenly texts furiously texting about if you have this kind of shoes, or can you sit on their face etc. They then never turn up!!
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I don't mind when they say they are going to wank over my pics but I do expect them to make an actual booking.
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If you have someone like this on the phone its easy to get rid of them by putting the phone down on them mid conversation this action ends their train of thought and jolts their flow. BAM!
I put the phone down on men I then list them under twat, if they call me back and say
"We must of got cut off"
"No we didn't get cut off I put the phone down on you"
"Why?"..
"Because...You're annoying, you're a fantasist, you weren't listening, you are wanking down the phone while I'm talking" I give them the reason
I'm always straightforward with these idiots as I've found its that's the best way to deal with them it leaves them under no false impression that I can spot them as being wankers, TW's and fantasists from the get go and that's not going to fly.
They rarely bother me again and if they do their numbers listed on my phone.
Cool I need to be like this instead of saying I lost connection.
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There is one man who I call Leather skirt timewaste because he has texted me on and off for 3 years and always asks Hi Justine I will make a booking today but can you wear a leather skirt and suspenders etc. His very first text to me got a Yes please phone to arrange reply but he didn't.
He has not yet phoned me and the fact I never replied after my first response does not put him off.
They must think we are desperate and stupid and will give them a free text wank. Sadly though I think some wgs will do it hoping for a booking.
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There is one man who I call Leather skirt timewaste because he has texted me on and off for 3 years and always asks Hi Justine I will make a booking today but can you wear a leather skirt and suspenders etc. His very first text to me got a Yes please phone to arrange reply but he didn't.
He has not yet phoned me and the fact I never replied after my first response does not put him off.
They must think we are desperate and stupid and will give them a free text wank. Sadly though I think some wgs will do it hoping for a booking.
My instinct yesterday told me that a guy was absolutely fine and he ended up being a time wasting address collector so why the hell did my gut let me down??
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@Justanotherhooker
Even those of us with the most finely tuned TW senses will get caught out from time to time - don't beat yourself up about it, I suspect some of these guys practice their spiel over hundreds of phone calls a year!
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If the caller is asking for a booking the following day or later on ask to be called back an hour or so before to confirm and give postcode details. Time wasters don't usually bother calling back!
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If the caller is asking for a booking the following day or later on ask to be called back an hour or so before to confirm and give postcode details. Time wasters don't usually bother calling back!
Whereas the more unhinged TW actually do continue their charade until the bitter end, pretending they are in certain places at certain times.
This is where the landmarks we can see out of our windows come in useful.
More often than not the genuine client who is indeed where he states to be will offer up information about his surroundings.
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Argh. Thought I'd honed my TW radar down to a T but clearly not. First no show in months. Shouldn't complain really because I used to get them a lot. He rang me on Friday and I had a bit of a feeling that he might be a TW then...constant use of the word "babe" not letting me get off the phone and asking more questions. But he rang today and said the same name he told me on Friday (I've found a lot of time wasters tell you a different name which is why I always save someone's name in my phone) and rang when he said he'd ring and had read my profile. So annoyed with myself because I should have followed the gut instinct I had on Friday but I didn't with it being quiet for me today. Oh well. Lesson learnt. Weeded out a bunch of others today so we can't win them all!
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Hello ladies...
When your instinct warns you that a man is a TW, dangerous, or that has bad intentions or is problematic ....
I realize these signs:
1- Ask many questions and try to be on the phone as long as possible.
2- He has never come and does not know you Does stupid message like: "address?", "Hi how are you" "how much?"
3- When you phone and ask uncomfortable questions, like: you very busy today? Have you had many customers today? are you alone? do you do good service?
4- Demands of services that you know you do not do.
5- He has never come and without knowing your address he says to you on the phone: "I'm here in 5 minutes"
6- Those who make a booking with a day or days in advance and want to spend 24 or 48 hours with textsex for free
What other signs do you realize you are talking about or trying a TW or Problem?
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Insanely complimentary phone calls.
Wants address far too early
Asks if I'm alone
Tells me how rich they are or how they will pay more than my rate
Anyone I've never met before offering a holiday
Emails over 3 paragraphs. (I'm iffy anything over one and a couple of lines)
Has zero feedback but wants an overnight.
Anything that starts with "I'm a male escort/porn star/or makes reference to how very sexy they are and how they will make me scream etc"
Anyone and everyone who can't rember my name or rates when I ask them, even if I tell then they probably won't show up
Asks sexual or service questions more than once.
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3- When you phone and ask uncomfortable questions, like: you very busy today? Have you had many customers today? are you alone? do you do good service?
I would put that one in the "DANGER! ATTEMPTED ROBBERY!" bracket rather than TW.
If I feel like a guy is having a wank over the phone I'll say something completely random. If he reacts "Huh?" then he's actually listening rather than rubbing one out. If he just goes "Oh yeah babe, sounds good" then he's wanking and I hang up.
I generally have a good instinct and I often write in my appointments book "12:00 Dave, half hour GFE, confirm 11, probably won't" and prove myself right.
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The ones who are gushing with compliments seen your pictures want to come see you as soon as possible.
I try to pin point them to booking a time.
They divert to what I can do what I'll wear .
I say I'll discuss things with you after you've made your booking
Again divert.asks sexuall questions oh can I ask you something do you do .. things that will make them aroused on the line.
I tell them i take bookjngs , they say they want post code I tell them its not far from a specific town
They either expose themselves by saying oh I'll call back in 5 mins let me check that on my map
Or book and not show ,or cancel or say they are stuck in traffic at the exact time they are meant to be with you.
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TWs - all of the above &
Asking to buy used knickers at the end
Chopping & changing the time
Asking for 2/3 specific outfit choices
Change in name from last time they called
Continuing with the conversation when you say the sound/signal is bad & to call back
Anyone who calls me before 9 am - 90% of the time is a TW (morning glory)
Edit; any guy who asks for a PVC outfit 100% of the time has proven to be a fantasist.
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Tells you how big his cock is or sends a photo of some sort of monster cock.
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Tells you how big his cock is or sends a photo of some sort of monster cock.
:FF :FF :FF
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TW texts=When this is the entire text they send (I've asked that no contact be made via text on my profile)
"Hi'", "Hi sweetie", "Hi honey", "You're sexy", "you available", "What can I get for xx amount (that is less than your rate)", "You working", "You open", "How much" , "When are you coming to xx location", "me and my wife (bla bla bla) couple booking"
or even the more thought about text-- " Hello, Im xx and I'd love to see you at xx. Can't call you because of (insert excuse) but can I come see you? Please let me know if you can wear xxx" You reply saying to them to call you when they can and they proceed to say how they are in meetings all day... ::)uh huh. TW.
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TWs - all of the above &
Asking to buy used knickers at the end
Chopping & changing the time
Asking for 2/3 specific outfit choices
Change in name from last time they called
Continuing with the conversation when you say the sound/signal is bad & to call back
Anyone who calls me before 9 am - 90% of the time is a TW (morning glory)
Edit; any guy who asks for a PVC outfit 100% of the time has proven to be a fantasist.
I have had all of these in the past week - fortunately my TW radar switched on to maximum so no one that I agreed to meet.
Tws are not good at lying! The longer we do this job, the more accurate we are in spotting them!!
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" I'm looking for a regular lady who I can spend time with on a very regular basis" *yawns*
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" I'm looking for a regular lady who I can spend time with on a very regular basis" *yawns*
got a fair few of these.:D :D :D
also, the guy that calls you and wants an overnight, goes on and on ...and on. you work hard to pin him down to a booking. he agrees on time, place. Then texts you asking for a face pic because your pics are blurred.
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All that you ladies have mentioned.
To add - Anyone that texts me is a time-waster. Cos the amount of times I reply **CALL TO BOOK X** not one does so I do not bother replying make sure I have zero credit on my phone. Texts are TW big time.
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All that you ladies have mentioned.
To add - Anyone that texts me is a time-waster. Cos the amount of times I reply **CALL TO BOOK X** not one does so I do not bother replying make sure I have zero credit on my phone. Texts are TW big time.
same here. No one ever replies to me when I ask them to call to book.
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Oh - another one.
They want to meet you for 4 hours and you have never met them before - always a TW!
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Another one- Anyone who says they have plenty of money or money no option.
Just a way to lure you in and put up with their timewastey messages.
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People that barter more than once. Especially for over nights and long bookings and people that expect a discounted rate for seriously hard work bookings likeparties because they "paid for the ticket".
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shot him some very businesslike questions which he was equipped to answer.
What was asked of him? How did he respond?
Keen to know what to ask to flush these types out, thanks.
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Some of this timewasters are very skilled at sounding legit. They even go ahead to book you on AW just to assure you that they are genuine only to turn out to be flakes. I have learned to rely on my gut feeling sometimes.
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Had it up to my ears this week with TW’s Incall bookings. Not turning up!
I can only trust lively regs lately to turn up.
Apart from the OBVIOUS of feeling them out on the phone (we’ve alll talked about that a lot).
What UP TO DATE fail safe techniques are you using as an obstacle for a TW to succeed in making a booking and doing just that. Not turning up.
if you can list them so we can all easily share them and maybe pick up a new trick or two would be great. Asking for INCALLS bookings.
I’ve heard of and read about others recently doing some of the following -
DEPOSITS - How? How much? How do you word it when stating you require one?
ID - ?
Asking client to SEND GPS LOCATION to show their on the way ?
Anyone? x
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Merged.
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Oh - another one.
They want to meet you for 4 hours and you have never met them before - always a TW!
Actually not so! An exception to the rule.
One recently that booked for four hours and paid for four hours and had dinner too and a present!
Rare indeed.
Plus one to remember on the TW list (not above client)
Always mention how they are going to want you as a regular booking - that never pans out.
It is up to us really if we want to meet them again and not the other way round!
E x
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Nowadays I tend to just go by how well they go through my booking process. If they don’t follow it and waffle about something other than the booking (that lasts for 30 seconds more than I am happy with) it’s a hard no. I don’t have the time for bullshit, if you are not getting straight to the point when trying to book then I am not interested. I know there are some variations but all in all unless they are happy to present to you everything you have asked of them via your profile requests then they are just wasting your time.
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Want to come see you in in many months away and bore you to death in emails or texts. They have no intention of visiting or booking you.
It's just Jerk off!!
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Many of the above, plus:
*"I'm looking for a lady I can see regularly." In the same vein as "money no object."
*"Just one more thing/another quick question..." If uttered multiple times.
* "What do you do in the hour?" Especially if they've found your ad on something like AW that has a likes list.
*"Can you send me some more photos of yourself?" As if I want to help build up his free private porno collection.
*"Great I'll look forward to seeing you then!" Hasn't yet received an area/landmark/ postcode and showed no sign of asking for one. TW rookie error.
Oh yea, and dick pics. But that's pretty transparent.
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Definitely dick pics - always a TW
I nearly always ignore but couldn't resist sending a brief message to one who had no intention of making a booking-
"That looks just like a penis, but smaller!"
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Definitely dick pics - always a TW
I nearly always ignore but couldn't resist sending a brief message to one who had no intention of making a booking-
"That looks just like a penis, but smaller!"
;D ;D Perfect
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My tolerance is zero most of the time.
If they are truly genuine it might work.
Time wasters too many in our industry.
They can't sound weird
They can't be uncertain
They can't ask for stupid requests how many outfits are you wearing....
They can't ask for postcode
They can't say I'm not a time Waster babe because they are
They can't say I'm looking for a regular girl we can meet each week.
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"I'm a genuine guy..."
Genuine guys don't need to tell people they are genuine.
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txt baby more than one time
asking for really speciffic outfit- could you wear they grey dress what you have in your private gallery
asking for conversation before booking (i do only txt cant deal with wankers)
asking for really specific role-play
asking for my name
asking for my nationality
asking if I'm really redhead
long emails
0feedbacks
longer bookings
txt when they claim they are on way such as what you wearing, that you will wear, you are sure you can do anal etc
early morning bookings
bookigs on last day on tour (sometimes this scream robbery as well)
dont undertad simple rules such as i take day advance bookings only from aw members with feebacks
sending photos
nice clean young not like the old guys
the list don't have end :D
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On the phone -
Say hi but no more
Call me babe / baby / darling / sexy, anything overly flirty that is not my working name
Asks for my location before introducing himself
Asks am I available / am I free etc
Tells me he's seen my ad and how beautiful I am (really? You can't see my face pal, I might look like a bag of rusty spanners)
Asks me how I am, how I'm doing
By text
Anything text speak in any way shape or form
Anything overly complimentary
'Hi' :FF
Anything abrubt, one worded, 'location', 'available' etc
Any second text that continues the initial communication, after he has received an auto text telling him clearly to PHONE ME (a text that says ok I'll ring later is fine)
Anything 'offering' me less than my rate for any reason whatsoever
This is not an exhaustive list. ;D ;D ;D
How hard can it be to follow this simple guide?
"Hi, is that xxx?"
"Yes, hello, how can I help you?"
"I would like to see you today please at xx o'clock."
"No problem, how long for please?"
"30 minutes please."
"That's fine, that's XXX amount."
"Ok no problem." At this point, perhaps one, maybe two simple reasonable questions are acceptable.
"Please confirm booking at XXX o'clock"
"I will, thank you, see you later."
"Look forward to seeing you!"
Not difficult guys, really.
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What is with them and pet names, like my name is on there for a reason. Had one who seemed legit at first, booking arranged etc. He then sent me a photo of himself via Whatsapp with him doing a peace sign. asked me if I liked the look of him if not he will give it a miss Lol. Kept messaging me if I found him attractive. Totally creep, blocked him.
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In all fairness, I have seen some sizeable units who would understandably have had a struggle in certain activities due to their size. However, TW displays are usually multi factorial and not solely the mention of their appendage making them easy to spot.
I've seen some, too.
But none of them warned me in advance.
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All that you ladies have mentioned.
To add - Anyone that texts me is a time-waster. Cos the amount of times I reply **CALL TO BOOK X** not one does so I do not bother replying make sure I have zero credit on my phone. Texts are TW big time.
I disagree with that . I do 90 percent of my work by text . the last 3 days all my bookings have been done by text and I have been very busy
The only one one I spoke to today fucked me about 😂 Which is very rare for me
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I disagree with that . I do 90 percent of my work by text . the last 3 days all my bookings have been done by text and I have been very busy
The only one one I spoke to today fucked me about 😂 Which is very rare for me
Yeah I used to find text guys to be TW when I used to work before I took a few years out, but this time around I had to adjust to text bookings because I find them now to be genuine a lot. I think because it used to be more a "I want to waste an escort's time so doing it via text enables me to overcome nerves/dupers delight in a phone call" and now its become more and more an acceptable form of first contact just in general.
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I disagree with that . I do 90 percent of my work by text . the last 3 days all my bookings have been done by text and I have been very busy
The only one one I spoke to today fucked me about 😂 Which is very rare for me
If I could work from a few simple text messages I would and I do make arrangements with regulars this way which is brilliant. Unfortunately too many newbies haven't a clue where I am, haven't read a thing, too many back and forth messages, some playing games telling me they've seen me before but making me guess who.............
Also noticed a change since bringing in 'no texts from anyone new to me' in how clients are after seeing me, far fewer requiring chat and far fewer pushing boundaries or needing that extra contact. Didn't happen at first, took around 18 months to filter through - but it's been really noticeable.
Today I've spoken to someone for the first time to confirm a booking made by email, if I'd spoken to them sooner I'd have been quite different - can tell a lot from their voice (probably proven wrong later!!!).
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Blokes that ring, then hang up, then text something dumb like 'hi'
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Yes those who phone then hang up only to text straight after and ask am I free. My ads state to phone to arrange yet so many ignore this. Well fair enough but then it is my turn to ignore them.
Being caught out by a timewaster still frustrates me after all these years so I do my utmost to avoid and manage to swerve most of them (I think!).
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Blokes that ring, then hang up, then text something dumb like 'hi'
Or worse "Hi how are you x" ridiculous!
One fool has been texting me for a year asking if I ever come to Leeds I've already told him at least 3 times that I don't, so the other night he asked again and I just replied (very unprofessional I know but I was sick of it) "Fuck off" He still continued saying sorry :FF I've just sent his stupidity to spam now.
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The annoying texters ::)
This is when I wish they had to pay a premium to txt us over and over again! Not just a txt from their free txt package on some throw away SIM card :FF
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The annoying texters ::)
This is when I wish they had to pay a premium to txt us over and over again! Not just a txt from their free txt package on some throw away SIM card :FF
Ye because the phone numbers out there, *some* cretins think its fine to text random women at anytime of day or night because she offers sex (for money!) :FF
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Yes those who phone then hang up only to text straight after and ask am I free. My ads state to phone to arrange yet so many ignore this. Well fair enough but then it is my turn to ignore them.
Being caught out by a timewaster still frustrates me after all these years so I do my utmost to avoid and manage to swerve most of them (I think!).
Oh yes this silent call to check I'm alive, followed by a text. Just rude.
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Hello ladies,
So for me I have the below to spot if tw:
-Doesn’t spell my name right on text
-Become too needy, hesitatation, asks stupid questions
-Tell me that’s his first time (90% are tw, 10% good)
-Asks for additional pictures!! 100% tw
-Asks for full address straight away
-Too talkative on the phone (over 10mn)
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They ask the same questions over and over again. Stuff that's mentioned on your profile and even your FAQ.
Mention a regular thing from the beginning.
Wants you to phone them haha
Endless texts after the booking - cannot wait babe, are you excited, can we chat.
Ignores everything about texting not calling
Tells you they have loads of money that they want to spend only on you
Wants to meet first for drinks. They will provide drinks only
Other escorts wanting to work together, and then trying to convince you to meet and fuck them for free.
They slip early on into the conversation that they are a professional masseuse. Ignore that bit, they go back to being normal again, and occasionally drop it in. Eventually you mention it, they want a free fuck in exchange for free massages.
Mansplainers haha. Start off as normal then start giving you advice about how you can do things better.
Pathetic sob story to begin with.
Can I call you? Then they want you to fuck them over the phone haha
Can I call you? They want to dominate you and get you to do tasks for free with the promise of you will be rewarded when we meet.
What you wearing?
Clearly hasn't read your profile.
Potential Dom telling you to go somewhere quiet haha.
THere's loads. Some I have played along with because I was bored, including a WhatsApp video chat. I said I was having a few tech issues. He wanted to know what I was wearing, the usual stuff. Then for me to finger myself and hold the phone so he could hear. Said to him, ooh I think I've fixed the camera (not sure how considering I'm fingering myself and holding the phone) do you want to look. By this time he was drooling (I had my finger over the lens). His face was a picture when I revealed the bottle of water I was shaking. He wasn't happy told him to stop being tight and trying to get something for free. Either book and pay like everyone else or go and watch some porn.
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Today's timewaster ..
Hi babe im having* trouble getting* ( a booking ) an English girl you sound English.
I want to come see you Now (no intention of it happening)
Can I bring you anything ?( ultra fake nice )
I'm local I might have seen you before ??? (Cant even remember hes timewasted so many)
Send your postcode .
I didn't bother sending it and guess what the time of his booking is now .
Always delay in sending postcode because timewasters won't often call back or text for it .
Blocked ..
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I've actually been asked a couple of times "Can I bring you anything" and I've said "If you're passing a shop a bottle of still water would be much appreciated!" and both times they've turned up with one.
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Lucky you :)
I'm sceptical by now :(
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The offering to bring anything is I think politeness, I just confirm all I need is themselves having recently showered (within last 24 hours at least), correct fee, not intoxicated and the heating on if outcall.
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Offering mostly seems genuine from my experience... but I never think they're genuine. I've been bought subways, coffee, fruit juices, wine, crisps and top up vouchers when I've been to busy to pop to shop :)
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Offering mostly seems genuine from my experience... but I never think they're genuine. I've been bought subways, coffee, fruit juices, wine, crisps and top up vouchers when I've been to busy to pop to shop :)
I consider keeping well stocked, phone in working order, food, drink to be my responsibility and would never dream of being in a position where I'd have to ask a client. As a customer of other businesses, other self-employed people I would hate to be asked to pick up their lunch, or top up their phone. It's my responsibility to make the time. When I'm outcall I always take my own supplies be it lube, condoms, food, drink and making sure I have enough money or fuel to get myself home if there's a problem because it's part of looking after myself - just as is arranging my own transport.
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Hi ladies,
I have seen that there are a lot of posts about the timewasters.
Can someone of you give me informations on how to recognize a timewaster? However, if there is already a post which deal with, could you give me the link?
Thank you in advance.
Halina
1. SEND ME A PIC
2. WHATS APP (if you give him, he will ask for pic)
3. HUGE booking crazy OFFER 300 400 1000 - to spoil you for free 2 day chat
4. NOW clients, there is no now, now he will cum on his lap!
5. DO you LIKE.. - dirty talk
6. RATES DESCRIPTION ignore, you send link, he should be fine, or playing an idiot
moost of this cases.. he WANK - I do not answer calls, only text message
if someone is RUDE he will be the same in reality.. no thank you and also only outcalls as incall brings rubbish.. or cheap guys and youre more tired, i prefer to sit and talk or drive to few locations i get my 1k and I am happy
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Also:
Anyone who asks for you to text a photo to them or texts you a photo of their cock.
Anyone who makes an appointment and then asks what you look like after making the booking.
Anyone who asks if you would indulge their fetish for smelly feet/shoes/armpits etc.
Anyone who asks if you do anal and then ask if size is a problem.
Like everyone says you will get your own spidey senses after a while. don't forget to check the timewaster section of the site.
Jas x
ah yeah true.. haha texting how many INCH he is hahha
or sending any PIC of him.. even face pic, they NEVER TURN UP
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Just to add
Talks to you on the phone makes all the arrangements says what he wants in booking or so you think
Then the texts start coming I would love this this and this can you do x y z
I used to reply polity now I tell them I'll see them when they get here (as they said everything they wanted on the phone ) and guess what neither times do they turn up .
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This subject has been flogged to death.
You can only spot a timewaster when you have been doing this for a very long time.
We learn by our mistakes in life, and the same is true in this job.
Men can be lovely, or a complete waste of time. We just need to learn and know the difference!
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This subject has been flogged to death.
You can only spot a timewaster when you have been doing this for a very long time.
We learn by our mistakes in life, and the same is true in this job.
Men can be lovely, or a complete waste of time. We just need to learn and know the difference!
I sometimes think back to how gullible I was in the early days, even though I'm a born cynic >:(
I remember how long term punters would tell me how 'different' and 'unjaded' I was compared to other Escorts. I hadn't gone through years of dealing with them by then obviously ::)
Imagine how shocked our civvy friends and family would be to hear us on the phone with callers. Brutal 8)
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If I'd been strict from the start I'd have avoided jaded spells.
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Does anyone else find they get bombarded with early texts and calls when they display their mobile number and available green light before 10am.
I am now starting to display from after 11am in the hope it reduces more timewasters.
I also read here than telling them to call back later also gets rid !
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TW's texts:
"Where are you?"
"How much?"
"do you take credit cards/bank transfer?"
"Hi hun"
"My old provider left town and I'm looking for a new one I can see on a regular basis"
"Is that you in the pictures?"
"I saw your number on the internet, what services do you offer?'
"I was refered to you by a friend"
And the list goes on. ???
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What are the more subtle crafty ones ?
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"Subtle" and "crafty" are not qualities that define your average TW sending the same text to 30 women. I did have some stranger last year on the phone asking me for a "muslim marriage" before I gave him a massage (something about his religion not being able to touch a women who was not his wife). He told me "not to worry" because we would get a divorce after the massage. That was pretty crafty. Rumour is he's still going around asking. Poor guy.
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What are the more subtle crafty ones ?
One type that can take a little longer to detect are those that sort of string you along. This is especially via email. Like, they'll write saying they're going to be in your area in 2-3 months' time for example, then write once or twice a week telling you a bit about themselves or what they're looking for in the booking, or how beautiful you are. I cut them off now by just replying politely but firmly, telling them to get in touch nearer the time.
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One type that can take a little longer to detect are those that sort of string you along. This is especially via email. Like, they'll write saying they're going to be in your area in 2-3 months' time for example, then write once or twice a week telling you a bit about themselves or what they're looking for in the booking, or how beautiful they are. I cut them off now by just replying politely but firmly, telling them to get in touch nearer the time.
And those too. They will email you every week for two months to say "hello", send pictures of them and let you know how excited they are by meeting you then 2 days before the appointment "something will happen" where they need to cancel. Your approach to them is the smartest (takes note).
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The easiest way for me to spot a timewaster is alway a man that texts very vague or one worded messages. Ok. Hi. Etc and I just stop replying. 90 percent of the time if they’re genuine clients when they see I stopped replying to one worded answers they will soon change up and try to put a bit of more effort into booking me.
Timewasters always tend to ask questions that are already answered in your ad. Prices, services etc which I have clearly laid out in my ad what I do and what I don’t and for how much. I do feel this is a timewasting tactic and I believe some men actually get off on you telling them over the phone that you do anal etc. So when they ask about services now I just say my likes and dislikes are all listed on my page you should check it out.
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The easiest way for me to spot a timewaster is alway a man that texts very vague or one worded messages. Ok. Hi. Etc and I just stop replying. 90 percent of the time if they’re genuine clients when they see I stopped replying to one worded answers they will soon change up and try to put a bit of more effort into booking me.
Timewasters always tend to ask questions that are already answered in your ad. Prices, services etc which I have clearly laid out in my ad what I do and what I don’t and for how much. I do feel this is a timewasting tactic and I believe some men actually get off on you telling them over the phone that you do anal etc. So when they ask about services now I just say my likes and dislikes are all listed on my page you should check it out.
I also tend not to give much away when TWs ask questions about services. I just say 'yes I do full gfe', or if they ask about particular services I just say 'yes that's fine'.
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Ring you up then ask you to text the postcode
Never hear back off them
I only give a different postcode as I do not want cranks and weirdos finding my road and trying to suss out which flats mine , you don’t know if you come out of your place one day and the dickheads be checking you out parked up somewhere .
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I get fed up with postcode requests now I just say its 5 mins from my nearest town ..
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Would you be suspicious if you got a long ultra flattering email and wanting to book with you
You request asked for their mobile number they dont reply?
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Would you be suspicious if you got a long ultra flattering email and wanting to book with you
You request asked for their mobile number they dont reply?
Not at all..
After all, they go to the trouble of inserting our names into the template spam they have sent to everyone else that day - if we are lucky ::) we must be the special ones!
They never give out their phone number.
It ruins their chances of multiple email follow-ups (type with right hand, wank furiously with left) as you would suss them straightaway..
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Does anyone else find they get bombarded with early texts and calls when they display their mobile number and available green light before 10am.
I am now starting to display from after 11am in the hope it reduces more timewasters.
I also read here than telling them to call back later also gets rid !
Yes I have noticed this, usually guys still in bed just looking for a free wank chat.
I still display it early for any genuine guys who may want to make a note of it then call at a reasonable time then leave my phone on silent until a time I'm happy to take calls. That way the idiots can't bother you.
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Does anyone else find they get bombarded with early texts and calls when they display their mobile number and available green light before 10am.
I am now starting to display from after 11am in the hope it reduces more timewasters.
I also read here than telling them to call back later also gets rid !
At the weekend and on bank Holidays, these are often the 'still up from the night before' crew, still very much under the influence ( and have every intention to remain that way) looking for an Outcall direct to their bed :-\
I' m an early riser and screen even harder at these times.
Sunday morning Sex in a random town in a drugged up stranger's bed?
Think I'd rather be in church singing a hymn or two ;)
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Oh yes 6am are you available now.
Perhaps someone is, or they are just chancing their arm.
Sometimes I have been up able to answer the call, but not 'ready'. Also had webcam requests at that time, definitely not set up for that but not timewaster was an actual customer.
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Sending lots of AW emails back and fourth...usually indicates that’s I’ve blocked their number and can’t get in touch with me, as when I ask them to text me they either go silent or send me their number
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Sending lots of AW emails back and fourth...usually indicates that’s I’ve blocked their number and can’t get in touch with me, as when I ask them to text me they either go silent or send me their number
Yes I get emails saying I've tried calling but it keeps cutting off !
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'Could you send me a face pic now cos see i've been scammed before with girls not being the real deal
Blocked!
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I also tend not to give much away when TWs ask questions about services. I just say 'yes I do full gfe', or if they ask about particular services I just say 'yes that's fine'.
I do this too when they ask but when they start to broadly ask what services I provide I always turn this around by simply asking what -they- are looking to do during their time/what services they are looking for rather than you having to list out everything.
If I'm given a nice short to the point list they tend to get the green light, if they start getting lurid and write out a whole fantasy novel then its most likely a pass, its another way to weed out the time wasters too.
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Ive become more vigilant after reading this thread
Thankyou xx
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Messaging asking dumb questions then goes quiet on you .
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Guys who say it’s their first time and want to book a “couple” hours always makes me laugh. Safe to say these appointments never materialise.
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Oh I'm looking to be a regular with you (despite having never met you)!
Just going to add to this that some ask for a service you dont do so you inform them ,then they still say they will go ahead but not turn up.
Ones that text can I cum more than once in the 30 min booking I dont reply too they cancel also
I've just not played their game
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Can you prove that your genuine with a pic or video call. Because nearly 300 reviews isn't proof enough. Always from guys who have zero feedback themselves.
Also I tend to get a lot of emails on adultwork from guys with no feedback - not an issue in itself ; I had no feedback myself once upon a time. However when they've been a member for literally years and have no feedback- that's a red flag. Especially when they have more than one account (usually there's at least one offering services as a male escort- also with 0 feedback. Bless)
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'Could you send me a face pic now cos see i've been scammed before with girls not being the real deal
Blocked!
‘Are your photos real’ instant block. What do you they really expect you to say to that. Particularly dumb question when you’ve been a member for years, have lots of feedback and plenty of photos in free and private gallery.
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I've only had two genuine ones today. The rest have been tossers.
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‘Are your photos real’ instant block.
My reply to this is usually along the lines of "If I was going to use fake photos I would use someone a lot better looking"
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10 mins before they arrive message to say they have forgotten their wallet and could they do a bank transfer.
No thankyou
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1- When you ask a lot of questions on the phone
2- Sin has never seen you before and offers you many hours and a lot of money
3- He tells you that he is coming in 10 minutes, without he has never seen you and still does not have your address.
4- his voice sounds sleepy and he wants to lengthen the conversation talking about sex (he is surely masturbating)
5 - Your instinct sometimes tells you when it's TW
6- Sometimes you hear a lot of voices in the background and you ask stupid questions
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Asking them to call back in 5 ..they don't because they are doing the rounds in the morning to get off !!
Messages how are you as they don't want to bother calling and just want to see if you will bite the bait so to speak !!
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What's your availability? When asked to decide on a rough time or duration they are usually stumped and never call back...
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,5 mins after agreeing to the booking has sent a text to say he has a puncture !
Has no fucking puncture at all :FF
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I generally find those that want to book long durations I.e. over an hour to be timewasters. I would usually insist on an AW booking request for such, rarely they come in but sometimes do.
Those vague about time or duration are usually timewasters too.
Anyone who is on the phone for more than 90 seconds to make a booking generally a phone wanker.
Asking too many questions already covered in profile.
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Today messages at exactly the time he's meant to be here saying he will be there before 30 mins like I'm waiting for him no I don't think so
I text that I'm back to back appointments so am cancelling his and finishing at 4 so says can he come later I just blocked
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Today messages at exactly the time he's meant to be here saying he will be there before 30 mins like I'm waiting for him no I don't think so
I text that I'm back to back appointments so am cancelling his and finishing at 4 so says can he come later I just blocked
I had one the other day who said 5 mins before due he was going to be 30 mins late, when I said 'nope' he then said he'll be there in 5. I booked a reg in instead and got vile abuse from him saying he was only actually going to be 10 mins late but he'd already pissed me off.
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I am new to escorting with my first booking to hotel in Birmingham. The client has given me his reference number but no room number . Should I consider him a time waster ?
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I am new to escorting with my first booking to hotel in Birmingham. The client has given me his reference number but no room number . Should I consider him a time waster ?
Context in this instance is everything.
Is it an advance booking? If so, then just the booking reference is fine as he won’t have a room number until he’s checked in. I always insist on copy of the booking reference in advance, and on the day of our appointment, the room number once he has checked in.
If he has already checked in, ask him for the room number before you start getting dressed. Do not leave until you have it. If he refuses to send a room number, then I would mark him as a time-waster.
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Context in this instance is everything.
Is it an advance booking? If so, then just the booking reference is fine as he won’t have a room number until he’s checked in. I always insist on copy of the booking reference in advance, and on the day of our appointment, the room number once he has checked in.
If he has already checked in, ask him for the room number before you start getting dressed. Do not leave until you have it. If he refuses to send a room number, then I would mark him as a time-waster.
Thankfully he was not a time waster as did give me his room number when he called to say he had arrived at the hotel .