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Miffy

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Re: Sex work and the menopause
« Reply #135 on: 21 March 2021, 02:21:25 pm »
The vagina does 'atrophy' with age, but I don't think it's an issue before about 65, maybe nearer 60 if you're unlucky.


Vaginal atrophy happens due to decreasing oestrogen levels, something that happens when they are in perimenopause. Some will experience vaginal atrophy as a result of falling oestrogen levels, others will not. But to say vaginal atrophy is not an issue before 60 is incorrect and grossly misleading.

(And fwiw, there are many degrees of vaginal atrophy too, dryness is a very small part of it, but often how it manifests. There are far more serious consequences which can lead to the woman being unable to have penetrative sex.)
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« Reply #136 on: 21 March 2021, 03:52:51 pm »
So would both of you still of offered the full service when your vaginal dryness was at its highest, was lube your best friend or was it too painful to offer penetration, condoms can be drying at the best of times!
Or did you have civvy jobs to support you financially?

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Re: Sex work and the menopause
« Reply #137 on: 22 March 2021, 02:52:31 am »


Vaginal atrophy happens due to decreasing oestrogen levels, something that happens when they are in perimenopause. Some will experience vaginal atrophy as a result of falling oestrogen levels, others will not. But to say vaginal atrophy is not an issue before 60 is incorrect and grossly misleading.

(And fwiw, there are many degrees of vaginal atrophy too, dryness is a very small part of it, but often how it manifests. There are far more serious consequences which can lead to the woman being unable to have penetrative sex.)

But vaginal atrophy is a very gradual process. Dryness and thinning can start during perimenopause, but in the majority of women actual atrophy (i.e. to the point where sex is painful, or even impossible) isn't noticeable for a few years. Many women can have vaginal sex without problems into their 70s.

PinUpGirl8: I'm not sure who your question was directed to, but I had my last period in Christmas week 2019. Sex was fine over 2019 and the few times I had it in 2020. I do have another job, yes, so only did a handful of bookings in 2020, and none since the November 6th lockdown.
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Re: Sex work and the menopause
« Reply #138 on: 22 March 2021, 05:18:20 am »
It depends upon the person as to how healthy they are.  If you naturally take good care of your mind body soul so to speak and have a good immune system this should all help.  It will also depend upon how stressful your life circumstances are.

I get juicy no problem and am in my fifties.  My periods stopped last year in August.  I eat two avocados weekly which help libido and are good for us.  I also drink parsley tea which is good for blood pressure and stress.  The blood pressure is a separate issue and genetic.

Sensilube is good for our vagina and I also take acidophilus.  Still having sex has never been a problem for me.

A lot will also depend upon luck.


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« Reply #139 on: 22 March 2021, 08:38:32 am »
I'm in my forties so this thread is very interesting to me.  I am having some symptoms, like sleeplessness and more frequent bouts of urgent urination/nocturia.  I definitely don't get as messy wet as I used to do, but then again, I used to get excessively lubricated so I feel it is now probably closer to average.  Still it does seem a bit suspect that this all started happening post Covid and I know quite a few long covid women saying that they feel that having had Covid has kick started menopause.

Still my diet is good and I am well into my supplements so I hope this staves off worse symptoms,  my mother didn't go through menopause into her 50s and having had an ovary check I do know that it is likely to take a while as I have a high egg reserve. 

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« Reply #140 on: 08 June 2022, 10:15:11 am »
Really glad I found this thread, after visiting my local clinic with a really persistent case of BV and thrush the Dr told me I have an area of atrophy quite high up, and I should speak to my GP about estrogen cream.  I'm not sure if I'm perimenapausal or menopausal having had very few symptoms (I have an IUD so no periods anyway)  but I'm guessing at 54 I am one of the other!  My worry is using an estrogen cream or gel, is it ok to use whilst working and are they condom proof?

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« Reply #141 on: 08 June 2022, 11:22:15 am »
Well I don't know what happened to my 93 year old abuela because my cousin apparently walked in on her and her boyfriend (yes I know) a couple of weeks ago and caught them in the act! yes the actualy act they were full on shagging! so I think the menopause and having a closed up fanny may have missed her somehow.  ;D

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« Reply #142 on: 08 June 2022, 12:01:42 pm »
A friend's doctor had prescribed pesery for vaginal use and a gel to rub on inside of thighs  which is for lubricating .My gp of course didn't bother recommend to me 
Is it something you have tried or could get  elsewhere ?
I don't remember the name of the products
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« Reply #143 on: 08 June 2022, 01:15:44 pm »
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« Reply #144 on: 08 June 2022, 02:49:00 pm »
I'm on HRT but started early voluntarily as a friend told me how great she felt on it. I had zero menopause symptoms.

I'm wild guessing the gel is oestrogen-(oestrogel)?
But it's not just for lubricating it's a very powerful hormone.
If so, from my experience it is prescription only.

Not suggesting anyone here will.... but I'd not buy on the dark web or do swopsies with mates... HRT medication as far as I know requires a doctor first as you generally need a medical check including bloods, breast, cervical, and calcium checks. Doctors should prescribe hormones in balance so they 'do no harm'. What suits your friend may be disasterous for you.

If the GP won't help you may need to look up a gyny specialist and go private as I did.
It's not horribly expensive when you think of the benefits.
Thankyou for the info

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Re: Sex work and the menopause
« Reply #145 on: 08 June 2022, 02:51:42 pm »
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Re: Sex work and the menopause
« Reply #146 on: 08 June 2022, 05:05:08 pm »
Really glad I found this thread, after visiting my local clinic with a really persistent case of BV and thrush the Dr told me I have an area of atrophy quite high up, and I should speak to my GP about estrogen cream.  I'm not sure if I'm perimenapausal or menopausal having had very few symptoms (I have an IUD so no periods anyway)  but I'm guessing at 54 I am one of the other!  My worry is using an estrogen cream or gel, is it ok to use whilst working and are they condom proof?

Sorry if this is a repeat - the SAAFE site returned an error again after posting first time.

You should be fine using an oestrogen gel or cream, as it's likely to be applied at night. It should also help, not hinder, sex work as penetration is likely to be more comfortable.

As an aside, I'm 2 years out from the menopause now. Mine was thankfully symptom-free but I have lost a lot of my previously abundant natural lubrication. During penetration it's OK, but I need a dab of lube to assist entry.
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Re: Sex work and the menopause
« Reply #147 on: 12 June 2022, 03:35:26 am »
Really glad I found this thread, after visiting my local clinic with a really persistent case of BV and thrush the Dr told me I have an area of atrophy quite high up, and I should speak to my GP about estrogen cream.  I'm not sure if I'm perimenapausal or menopausal having had very few symptoms (I have an IUD so no periods anyway)  but I'm guessing at 54 I am one of the other!  My worry is using an estrogen cream or gel, is it ok to use whilst working and are they condom proof?

Atrophy presents in a myriad of ways including the vaginal walls become thinner and less flexible which makes sex incredibly painful. It can also make penetration difficult. Oestrogen cream does not not affect the vagina directly, although if you have noticed your vagina is not as lubricated as it once was, it will help with this. Instead, you need something topical and low dose (which does not affect your endocrine system directly) - the only thing that will tackle atrophy is a pessary called Vagifem - it is used daily for a fortnight and then bi-weekly. (It is marvellous stuff, I speak from experience!)  If this does not work, the only other option is an estring/oestrogen vaginal ring that sits high up by the cervix.

The pessary is inserted before sleep. The ring sits high up by your cervix. Both are fine to use with a condom.

I recommend you make an appointment with either a GP who actually specialises in menopause or seek a private specialist who does. Ditto Kiss (if you’re reading this). Although I see someone privately, there is a highly regarded GP who specialises in menopause who will see you for a consultation (either in person or online), prescribe and then send the scripts to your GP - just google balance menopause and she is the first result.

It is also worth noting that atrophy can shrink your vulval tissue, particularly around your urethra. As a result, UTI infections are far more common during perimenopause and menopause. Thrush is caused by a candida overgrowth, this is also far more common during menopause due to changes in the gut caused by fluctuating hormones. Consuming less sugar and alcohol will be beneficial, as will looking at your diet in general. Again, a good GP with an interest in women’s health will be able to assist.

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Re: Sex work and the menopause
« Reply #148 on: 12 June 2022, 12:58:32 pm »
Once again, can we keep it sex work specific please?

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« Reply #149 on: 12 June 2022, 01:32:36 pm »
Dr Kegel exercises may even help prevent vaginal atrophy. I started doing them recently as a safeguard. They keep our vagina tight or help it become tighter whichever you need. The exercises must be done daily and you clench for three full seconds each time.

I also started getting soreness dry vagina plus itching (I am in my fifties) once clients played with my private parts.  I bought Yes vaginal moisturizing gel which must be used after every shower or afternoon freshen up down below in between ckients. It is organic and you cannot overuse it but once you start using it you should never stop or symptoms will return.  I got better within a week. I do not like to use conventional ointments through the doctor preferring natural routes.

Personally I swear by both these strategies.