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UrbaneAspects

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Re: SAAFE, I dont feel safe.
« Reply #15 on: 02 December 2008, 08:02:22 am »
What's the gay escort community like in your area?
This is a lonely job and it always helps if there's somebody that we can turn to.

You are certainly right. whew...for a while I thought it was just me feeling lonely. Well, we have a site called MaleEscortReview, but it doesnt do anything. I've gotten the best advice from here. On that particular site, there's only 2 or 3 people who give feedback, the rest are just nosy and never respond to the posts. Its mostly for clients to find out about escorts.

As far as anyone else, sadly I dont know anyone who could help me out and be buddies   :-\  The gay escort community isnt very helpful when it comes to advice. You have to twist an arm to get them to give advice. You dont develop any sort of partnership unless you just happen to be friends and coincidentally we're both escorts. (whatever happened to Richard?) In a way, I almost feel that we're like a pack of male lions...all competing and not wanting to really help the competition. There isnt any 'saafe forum for gays' here.

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« Reply #16 on: 02 December 2008, 11:13:33 am »
Ok, I'll probably get my ass chewed for this, but here goes.

Cece - if you go back over the posts, UA did say that he had contracted an sti and later said it was only pubic lice the time before.

UA - I share Cece's concerns, which is what they are, she is not belitteling you or saying you can't do the job and you are not as silly and naive as some of the young girls or boys who get into this business.

There is no getting away from it though - you are young, but what is more to the point you are very sensitive, giving, honest and trusting and like me you are what experts term a 'pleaser'.

This is just my opinion and you may totally disagree, you believe in the good in people and are constantly surprised that people don't mean and stick to what they say, because you do. You want everyone to like you and seek their approval, it makes you happy to make others happy and you find it hard to say no. If I'm right, it makes life tough for you, especially as escort, why - because it makes you vulnerable. I'm not saying it's a bad thing to be like this, but you need to toughen up, sweetheart, fight those instincts and be a litlle more suspicious and mistrusting until you have been proven otherwise.

I know you were dissapointed with the reaction from your date, I think he reacted like any man would by initally denying it was his fault and shoving the responsibility back onto you instead of supporting you.
Talking of responsibility, I agree with what the other ladies are saying here, because, admit it you are making excuses for yourself. It was your choice to trust this guy and it backfired, learn from it, toughen up.
I don't mean change who you are, but question yourself more often as to whether you are doing something because it is expected of you or because you want to be liked or please and ask yourself if you are putting yourself at risk emotionally or physically before deciding to do it.
And if you are rejected by someone, because you won't do what they want or they don't approve - stuff them, their's is a friendship/aquaintance you don't need.

Ok, I've said my piece, take it on board, dismiss it as amateur psychobable it's completely up to you

But above all nobody here is having a go at you, so don't get tied up in defending yourself, think about it ask yourself if an outsider is seeing something you haven't realised or wanted to acknowledge in you. We are all genuinely concerned, trying to understand and wanting to help with advice. Which may come over a little harsh, since we are too far away to pop round for a cup of tea, a shake and a hug. :)

Right that's it! I'm shutting up now!  :-X
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Re: SAAFE, I dont feel safe.
« Reply #17 on: 02 December 2008, 12:18:13 pm »
UA,
Also, as Women ,some of us have kids, younger relatives, friends kids, etc that may be a similar age to you. Its not us being patronising , for me I just think of my own son in that situation and would be so worried for him,so it kind of hits a nerve when I hear about some of the situations you have been in babe.

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Re: SAAFE, I dont feel safe.
« Reply #18 on: 02 December 2008, 06:11:53 pm »
UA, I'm sorry to hear of your distress at contracting an STI. You should always use protection when with a new partner (client or personal life) . If you start a relationship and it becomes serious enough for you both to agree to be exclusive, you should both go and get checked for EVERYTHING before you start having unprotected sex. This is the only circumstance you should ever have unprotected sex. I suppose for an escort it will never really be exclusive unless you stop working, so i have to use condoms in my personal life too.

I don't mean to sound like I'm preaching, but I have a medical background and studied medicine, especially virology (although i did not complete it)

Condoms can never offer complete protection against all STI's as they can split or be taken off by nasty clients etc, but they do help A LOT. Some of the things condoms are not so good at protecting against are: herpes simplex 1and2, pubic lice, warts. These can be caught from OWO and even skin contact. Condoms when used properly offer good protection against HIV, chlamydia, gonhorrea (you can get this in your throat from OWO though), and syphillis.

The debate on OWO is a complex one, and there are reasons for and against it, probably not best discussed here, but i know you can catch nasties from it too, although it's rarer, especcially if you don't practise CIM.

I'm really sorry you are going through this, the guy you were dating sounds like an a***hole for blaming you just because you are an escort when it could have been either of you. The vast majority of escorts are really serious about their sexual health as it is their livelihood and worth it in the long run. Hopefully this experience will make you careful in the future.

For the record, you can get an injection of antibiotics in one or two doses over a day or two for some STI's, but you should ask the person treating you to give instructions on when you will be able to have sex again (sometimes they want to wait and test again to confirm a negative result before giving you the all-clear)

We are lucky in the UK as we get free check-ups etc and where i live they even have a special drop-in day for sex-workers to get comprehensive testing. I have no idea what the provision/costs are like where you live, but you could try searching the internet. If it costs, it may be a good idea to put aside a little from each booking to go towards healthcare.

If you would like to pm me for more confidential info, feel free.

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« Reply #19 on: 02 December 2008, 06:24:04 pm »
I didnt mean to have a go at you UA but if you take a step back and read the op you might be able to see how its been read.  Its hard when sti's are are between couples let alone when you add in to the factor of one of that couple being an escort and its very easy to let anger set in and start pointing the finger and blame everyone else except yourself.  I can say this because i know.

I had an sti many years ago from a new boyfriend.  he assumed that because his previous relationship had lasted 2 years and i was the first he slept with once single that i had been the one to pass it on.  what he didnt know was that i had 'refrained' from sex for a VERY long time before he and i got together and the Clinic were able to confirm that had i had the infection for the duration of that time it would have caused lasting damage, I was definately in the early stages of infection.  He didnt belive me so i did a little research of my own (about his ex) and discovered that she had been shagging around behind his back for atleast 18months and with atleast 3 guys that i was able to name.... and i did.  It was vile to be banded as some kind of slut who went around having unprotected sex passing infections around so i was pretty determined to proove my point.  He had blamed me because his male ego didnt want to accept the idea that any girlfriend would ever feel the need to cheat on him (he was a twat, i know that now lol)   However, what i had to do also was take responsibility for the fact that i had stupidly allowed this guy to have unprotected sex on ONE occassion and that was enough to cause all this hurt and upset and i counted my lucky stars that what i contracted was able to be fixed with a course of antibiotics.  (i would double check with the clinic, Dr and websites about how long you should leave it before you are safe, i had to go back for a 2nd test to make sure it was clear, the guy who gave it to me had to have 2 or 3 courses before he was cleared)

So that is why i stuck up for the guy who has passed this on to you.  You also have no right at all to judge someone on whether they are promisuous or not.  you are a male escort, you do quite well from it by the sounds of it AND you still see men on a casual basis.... now that sounds to me like a hell of a lot of sex for a young man (good on ya by the way)  but leaves you with little right to judge others on who or how many they sleep with.  like i say above, at the time of my infection there was not a soul on earth who could have called me promiscuous and it still happened to me.

That was my point and im sorry if it hurt your feelings but shit happens and its not always ALL someone elses fault.


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« Reply #20 on: 02 December 2008, 06:36:47 pm »
I know what you mean Lexie.The only STI I have caught was from my sons father who i was completely devoted and faithfull to! for way too many years!

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« Reply #21 on: 02 December 2008, 06:50:58 pm »
I know what you mean Lexie.The only STI I have caught was from my sons father who i was completely devoted and faithfull to! for way too many years!

LD

Now that is what i call a bastard... actually i would use the C word but we are all ladies here so will hold my potty mouth down!

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« Reply #22 on: 02 December 2008, 07:54:40 pm »
And he didn't even  give an explanation! complete silence when confronted and ran off for 3 days hoping the dust would settle!

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« Reply #23 on: 02 December 2008, 09:07:29 pm »
Thankyou guys...this 2nd page wasnt as harsh as the 1st  :) but I now am understanding a bit more.

If you would like to pm me for more confidential info, feel free.

Anna x

Thankyou. well, I have a place I was able to go to through my city healthcare. Normally its a small fee to pay which covers doctors visits, but since I had an STD, Thankfully they treated me without having to pay.

I had an sti many years ago from a new boyfriend.  he assumed that because his previous relationship had lasted 2 years and i was the first he slept with once single that i had been the one to pass it on.

That was my point and im sorry if it hurt your feelings but shit happens and its not always ALL someone elses fault.



aww...Lexie thanks for your honesty. I seriously think anyone who is involved with anyone...even if the person has been a virgin all his/her life can be at risk for an STI, period if one day they sleep with someone. Like hello, of course its not my fault, someone had to have given it to me! And I made him get tested and now I have to wait until Thursday. but let me just say one more thing to prove whether or not he gave it to me...

OK, The day before I had sex with the guy I was dating, I had (protected sex, owo, and no kissing) with another friend of mine. Now, I had told him to get tested also. So, I have 2 guys that got tested yesterday. PERFECT! Here's the key. If the guy I was dating has it...then the guy I slept with before shouldnt have it! If he does have it, it means he would have had it in his mouth. I gave him owo but didnt get the STI in my throat. Therefore, I am positive (no pun intended) that the guy Im dating gave it to me! If it turns out that both of the guys have it...then it means one of 2 things....Either I gave it to both of them, or the 1st guy I slept with that week gave it to me. I had sex with 2 guys in 2 days...Now you understand why I can find out who gave it to me?

Now, worst case scenario...if it turns out neither guys have it, then thats a whole different story.

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« Reply #24 on: 02 December 2008, 09:08:22 pm »
Thankyou guys...this 2nd page wasnt as harsh as the 1st  :) but I now am understanding a bit more.

If you would like to pm me for more confidential info, feel free.

Anna x

Thankyou. well, I have a place I was able to go to through my city healthcare. Normally its a small fee to pay which covers doctors visits, but since I had an STD, Thankfully they treated me without having to pay.

I had an sti many years ago from a new boyfriend.  he assumed that because his previous relationship had lasted 2 years and i was the first he slept with once single that i had been the one to pass it on.

That was my point and im sorry if it hurt your feelings but shit happens and its not always ALL someone elses fault.



aww...Lexie thanks for your honesty. I seriously think anyone who is involved with anyone...even if the person has been a virgin all his/her life can be at risk for an STI, period if one day they sleep with someone. Like hello, of course its not my fault, someone had to have given it to me, I wasnt born with venerial disease! And I made him get tested and now I have to wait until Thursday. but let me just say one more thing to prove whether or not he gave it to me...

OK, The day before I had sex with the guy I was dating, I had (protected sex, owo, and no kissing) with another friend of mine. Now, I had told him to get tested also. So, I have 2 guys that got tested yesterday. PERFECT! Here's the key. If the guy I was dating has it...then the guy I slept with before shouldnt have it! If he does have it, it means he would have had it in his mouth. I gave him owo but didnt get the STI in my throat. Therefore, I am positive (no pun intended) that the guy Im dating gave it to me! If it turns out that both of the guys have it...then it means one of 2 things....Either I gave it to both of them, or the 1st guy I slept with that week gave it to me. I had sex with 2 guys in 2 days...Now you understand why I can find out who gave it to me?

Now, worst case scenario...if it turns out neither guys have it, then thats a whole different story.
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« Reply #25 on: 02 December 2008, 09:33:21 pm »


aww...Lexie thanks for your honesty. I seriously think anyone who is involved with anyone...even if the person has been a virgin all his/her life can be at risk for an STI, period if one day they sleep with someone. Like hello, of course its not my fault, someone had to have given it to me! And I made him get tested and now I have to wait until Thursday. but let me just say one more thing to prove whether or not he gave it to me...


UA, i havent read the bit that i have erased from above, im not interested, i dont need proof but i can understand that you do, I know how that feels.

Sorry but i still dont think your getting my point.  Once again you have said ....'Like hello, of course its not my fault, someone had to have given it to me!'.....

Take responsibility for the fact that you fucked someone and as a result you caught an sti and by the sounds of it (correct us all if we are wrong) but you caught it because you had unprotected sex so actually it is your fault aswell.  He didnt ask for it either, some one gave it to him and someone gave it to him and someone gave it to him and the process goes on and on and no one said 'sod it, im off out to get myself an sti tonight'.  And the world is not full of shit heads that think 'sod it, i have an sti but i want to get laid so i dont care who else gets it'  there are people like that but you cant assume that who ever gave you this knew he had it.  You still dont know for sure who gave it to you, you may have had it longer than you think and then you could have people accusing and blaming you in the same way.  pop the shoe on the other foot and imagine how you will feel if that happens.

Its not his fault, its not your fault.  Not everything bad that happens in the world can be blamed on one person or on someone else.  I still cant see that you are taking responsibility for the part you play in this scenario and frankly thats worrying to me. 

Its the last i have to say really.

I hope you get better soon but please check you are clear of all infection before going back to work.

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« Reply #26 on: 02 December 2008, 09:45:27 pm »
'Like hello, of course its not my fault, someone had to have given it to me!'.....

If I had a wall handy, I'd be banging my head against it. 


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« Reply #27 on: 02 December 2008, 11:37:30 pm »
OK, The day before I had sex with the guy I was dating, I had (protected sex, owo, and no kissing) with another friend of mine. Now, I had told him to get tested also. So, I have 2 guys that got tested yesterday. PERFECT! Here's the key. If the guy I was dating has it...then the guy I slept with before shouldnt have it! If he does have it, it means he would have had it in his mouth. I gave him owo but didnt get the STI in my throat. Therefore, I am positive (no pun intended) that the guy Im dating gave it to me! If it turns out that both of the guys have it...then it means one of 2 things....Either I gave it to both of them, or the 1st guy I slept with that week gave it to me. I had sex with 2 guys in 2 days...Now you understand why I can find out who gave it to me?

What? This is not a math problem, you're talking nonsense. Syphilis is not so virulent that it's passed on at every opportunity, your friend could certainly have had sex with you while you were infected but not contracted anything himself. Hell, even if all three of you have it, it's possible that you all could have picked it up from people outside your trio. The tests won't prove anything except who's infected and who isn't.

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« Reply #28 on: 02 December 2008, 11:43:16 pm »
UA, I'm going to say something now,I think you thrive on drama.It makes you feel special.

Can I ask you? ,how would you feel if you worked 9-5 ,quite location, no drama, enough money to be more than comfortable and  good, trustworthy friends ?

LD


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« Reply #29 on: 03 December 2008, 05:14:13 am »
What? This is not a math problem, you're talking nonsense. Syphilis is not so virulent that it's passed on at every opportunity, your friend could certainly have had sex with you while you were infected but not contracted anything himself. Hell, even if all three of you have it, it's possible that you all could have picked it up from people outside your trio. The tests won't prove anything except who's infected and who isn't.

OK, let me just lay it on the line. It was the big G! Not syphilis. So, therefore everything I've mentioned proves it. Lets face it, I will find out who had it and they will be told off to the highest degree  >:(