Just wondered if there was anywhere to report an agency that has been seriously abusive, and sent me only to timewasters who pretend not to be in even though I can hear the telly is on, so other girls can read it. Or would it be libellous?

I need to VENT but my gym is closed. Could do with a great hit-man right now! 


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Various defences to a libel claim are possible, but as far as English libel law goes, you need to have a reputation worth protecting in order to get damages. It is unlikely a jury would consider an agency owner (i.e. "pimp" in their eyes) had one.

There will be other issues such as malicious complaints though, so I suspect the mods will soon be along with a ruling.

Just wondered if there was anywhere to report an agency that has been seriously abusive

and sent me only to timewasters who pretend not to be in even though I can hear the telly is on

These two things are not the same. One is a serious allegation and infers that you could be physically or psychologically harmed or at least put at serious risk. The other is an extremely irritating and frustrating waste of your time.

As regards the latter, it has been covered on here before that there are men who will ring half a dozen different agencies and make a booking, let in the first lady who arrives and then switch their phone off and ignore the rest. This is not the fault of the agency unless they are taking repeat bookings from them, and if they are changing SIMs inbetween, unfortunately unless by some pure fluke someone recognises them from the call, you're stuck with it. Lifes a bitch, but indies don't tend to get this so if you want to cut down the chances of  it, don't employ agencies or take short notice appointments.

As regards the former, IF a serious abuse has occurred involving illegal activity or dangerously bad practice, by all means post in the Warning section. The usual rules apply; general location/characteristics are fine; specific names and identifying numbers/ links are not. For specific slagging of duff agencies who are not here to put their side of the story, as far as I can tell the PM system is not broken and will serve the purpose fine.

Good lord, I'll put a vote in for sex workers being able to report bad agencies same as they can do bad clients.

They can already - that is what the Warnings section is for. What it is not for is for people to whinge about how they keep getting to sent to clients who are unpleasant/timewasters/smelly/not there. If you are going to hand over your screening process to somebody else who has it in their best interests for you to take as many jobs on as possible, don't have a hissy fit when they do the entirely predictable thing. And there is already plenty of information on the site about what is and isnt acceptable at an agency interview, for example.

Obviously cases like that of londongirlxxx1 (where the agency was at serious fault) fall into the former category and a warning placed in the usual way could be appropriate, although I personally feel that the agency should be informed of it so that they have an opportunity both to understand fully the consequences of their actions, and to explain themselves.

It's not necessarily about shutting anyone down or anything, just perhaps a resource of hopefully-reliable feedback on several agencies so that newbies could make a more informed decision?

Good luck with it. I would recommend careful moderation and checking of IPs and sources, since a significant number of bad FRs submitted on agency ladies are placed unscrupulously by their competitors.

Perhaps a sort of 'review' service like Punternet, except different - but moderating would probably be important here, too. I mean, loads of the reviews there are downright gross but presumably somehow not libellous at all?

I dont understand how they could be libellous? Individual FRs are based on the reviewer's personal opinion- if there were serious factual errors that's one thing, but saying someone smelt bad or had floppy tits, for example, is hardly grounds for a court case. And also refer to Ian's post above regarding libel and malicious complaint. Pimps don't really have much of a reputation to lose.

I dont understand how they could be libellous? Individual FRs are based on the reviewer's personal opinion- if there were serious factual errors that's one thing, but saying someone smelt bad or had floppy tits, for example, is hardly grounds for a court case. And also refer to Ian's post above regarding libel and malicious complaint. Pimps don't really have much of a reputation to lose.

Yeah, that's what I meant: if you call something A Review, then it makes it clear it's a very biased opinion and escapes any and all possibility of anyone managing to claim libel about it. I'm guessing. But anyway, I'm not starting a database rite-now-omg and if the Warnings board is for bad agencies, too, then that makes most of my points moot. Which is good! And of course an agency's not going to go to court about it anyway.

I suppose the main issue is just the same old one where people fall for the glamorous Louboutins-and-cocktail-dresses idea of agency work (a la BdJ on telly) and don't stop to think that putting all the safety procedures regarding your corporeal and unreplaceable self in the hands of what might be legally defined as a big ole pimping organisation is less than wise. I spose we all learn eventually but it's quite unpleasant and makes me rage a bit at the thought of loads of girls going through the same rubbish experience. Also to marvel at my own stupidity/naivety when I started. But er, yes, also from my experience with agencies, you don't want to start getting in an online flame war with them as people act funny when their money is at stake and if you already gave them your incall address when things were going well, you should probably keep quiet til you next move.