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General Category => Questions and Answers => Topic started by: LittleBunny on 11 June 2016, 12:40:20 pm
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Hello all,
I was just wondering has anyone else been rejected by an agency? I am an independent and quite high priced so business is slow but I really don't want to drop my price and see all and sundry as I have a full time job so its hard meeting clients as is. But equally I have no bookings all weekend though I admit I reject a LOT of business as I don't want to see black and indian men as its my sexual preference for white men, so its my fault but still you like what you like I guess?
Anyway I thought joining an agency would mean I could get some business at the weekends, say if I did a shift on a Sat or Sun so I spoke to one agency then sent through my photos and then ... nothing. I thought it was rude not to get back me at least as I knew I might not be what they are looking for but still was a bit upset. But now I don't feel like sending my photos to other agencies as its pretty raw on my self esteem lol.
I was just wondering have other girls got rejected by agencies, and if so did you still get accepted elsewhere? To put in context, I have an attractive face and figure (so I'm told, not trying to be arrogant!) but I am only 5 foot so not a tall leggy goddess. I understand when men wanna punt they pay a high price for a high status female and that is not a 5 footer unfortunately. However this agency has women on their bookings that didn't seem to be far more ridiculously attractive than me and in fact charge less than me (although I offer anal, owo/cim and dfk as independent whereas this agency is very restricted so its a reasonably high price for less services.
Do people think I should still send off applications to other agencies no matter how galling it is to hear nothing from them, or just try and up my indie business, like I said I only advertise on AW so not really doing much advertising.
Many thanks,
LB x
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My personal opinion is I'd knock the agency idea on the head, up my advertising and look at my prices to compare them with other local escorts offering the same services as myself.
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So they didn't reject you they just didn't get back to you. Honestly I would avoid agencies like the plague they can often be difficult to deal with and I prefer choosing my own clients instead of being told where to go and when. As far as your own issues getting clients and appealing your height is not an issue. I'm 5'1 petite and most clients book me because of that. Not all punters like the same things. Somebody who likes tall women isn't going to book me or somebody into huge breasts. You need to focus on marketing what's good about you and making clients feel good about themselves when they see you. Prices are not a huge issue if you are offering a good service maybe if you feel you want to lower them just try to make yourself competitive with similar girls in age and looks etc. Even if you charge slightly more than others if you're good to clients they'll probably keep coming back for you even if they could go to somebody else slightly cheaper. People like familiarity we are creatures of habit more often than not. Your restrictions on races might contribute a little but not all that much. I guess it depends where you work some areas get more black and indians than others.
If you're not doing well I would as 1. Could I do anything better? 2. How is my attitude towards clients? and 3. Am I marketing myself correctly?
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Did you apply using your Indie name? Lots of agencies are happy to work with escorts who are listed with heaps of other agencies, but will just hit delete if they know you do independent advertising as well.
You could try changing your work name and using new pictures.
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I agree with the others - stay indie, reduce your prices if necessary, and promote yourself like mad over the weekends.
Just a note: some agencies will probably reject you if you're only willing to see white clients?
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Hello,
Thanks for the replies! Sourgrapes I rang the agency and told her I'm on AW only and she said that's fine as long as they get a cut if I take one of my independent clients to their serviced apartments which I said wasn't a problem. If that was the case she really shouldn't have asked me to send the photos so all I can think is my non-professional photos/me in general didn't cut the mustard, but TrashAzn is right they haven't rejected me but not coming back in my eyes is much the same thing.
Thanks to Mature Helen and again TrashAzn, I think you are right, being independent has some serious advantages over agency but I just thought one weekly shift in an agency could be guaranteed money and I kind of want that now.
TrashAzn, thanks I realise some men specifically will like me for being petite and Asian, and its not like I haven't had business but its once or twice every couple of weeks, and for mortgage purposes I NEED 2 a week. I have made a really good impression with the guys I have met so they kind of would be regulars but my problem is they are all affluent business that don't live in London and tend to fly everywhere across the world. Once guy I had yesterday loved me and said he will see me again in a few weeks so I know I am doing something right, but like I said its not regular like once a week kind of thing. Regarding pricing I am quite a bit higher than other girls and my non-professional photos to be honest don't reflect prestige what my pricing demands, however in person I am quite beautiful and I do my hair, nails, wear designer clothing and lingerie with Louboutins so I like to think the package is high class but you're right, I'm not marketing myself enough as I'm only replying on AW and I admit I should have better photos. I will get some done, I love the look of Ella Studios but haven't got ?1k to drop on photos (overpaying my mortgage is more important to me atm lol).
One thing I find odd/interesting/strange is that with these photos I seem to attract an inordinate number of mainly Indians and black men, irrespective of my price and photos. I really believe I am too high priced solely for white men as if I was that unattractive surely all these Asian/black guys wouldn't bother with me? I'm in London so not sure if that means anything, but I guess I need to make myself more marketable to white men (make myself fairer?!) lol.
Anyway I will stick being indie for the time being and try to advertise more and better, but if I am desperate I will try the agency route again (just not that one again grrrr lol). Thanks for all your help :)
LB x
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Hi Kay,
Sorry just saw your post - well I did mention to the lady I only wanted to see white men, she said the main business was from indian guys so she said you could try but we probably wouldn't have much business for you. I did say i might be persuaded to do indian guys because they only do OW and even no kissing i think so its kinda of like 'nothing' in a way - i just have to grin and bear it and would do that if white men aren't biting lol.
Anyway the fact they didn't get back to me seriously annoyed me, so i would go to another agency only if my tips to increase indie business doesn't work.
Thanks girls xxx
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Do you have your own website? I think if you're aiming for the 'high class' market that's pretty important, as opposed to just being on AW.
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Hi Kay,
No I don't, the truth is i have a fairly high job in a MASSIVE local government organisation and I guess i want all the business without the risk of exposure. I shouldn't really be doing escort work but obviously its good earnings for such little time.
I think i will do this at some point when i have spare money for the pricy photos and a decent website builder, just cut my whole head off lol
thanks for the advice :)
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TrashAzn, thanks I realise some men specifically will like me for being petite and Asian, and its not like I haven't had business but its once or twice every couple of weeks, and for mortgage purposes I NEED 2 a week. I have made a really good impression with the guys I have met so they kind of would be regulars but my problem is they are all affluent business that don't live in London and tend to fly everywhere across the world. Once guy I had yesterday loved me and said he will see me again in a few weeks so I know I am doing something right, but like I said its not regular like once a week kind of thing. Regarding pricing I am quite a bit higher than other girls and my non-professional photos to be honest don't reflect prestige what my pricing demands, however in person I am quite beautiful and I do my hair, nails, wear designer clothing and lingerie with Louboutins so I like to think the package is high class but you're right, I'm not marketing myself enough as I'm only replying on AW and I admit I should have better photos. I will get some done, I love the look of Ella Studios but haven't got ?1k to drop on photos (overpaying my mortgage is more important to me atm lol).
One thing I find odd/interesting/strange is that with these photos I seem to attract an inordinate number of mainly Indians and black men, irrespective of my price and photos. I really believe I am too high priced solely for white men as if I was that unattractive surely all these Asian/black guys wouldn't bother with me? I'm in London so not sure if that means anything, but I guess I need to make myself more marketable to white men (make myself fairer?!) lol.
Anyway I will stick being indie for the time being and try to advertise more and better, but if I am desperate I will try the agency route again (just not that one again grrrr lol). Thanks for all your help :)
LB x
LB, men (in fact people) regardless of race earn different amounts of money, are prepared to pay pay different amounts of money and are attracted to different things - you really need to get the idea that your prices are right or wrong for X or Y group of punters out of your head. What you will get depending on how you state your restrictions in your marketing is people who you've said you won't see viewing you as a challenge and trying their luck, in the same way that Wet Paint signs make people want to know if it's true or not :).
I agree with everybody else that you really don't need a pimp, but I'll also say that the more restrictions you have which prevent punters from seeing you, whether it's very high pricing, lack of availability or blocking large groups of people is obviously going to seriously affect the amount of work you get. As Kay says, AW is not going to be enough - if you want to make money, you need to spend it if only to give the impression that you're offering more than the thousands of other very nice, pretty and intelligent people offering the same services you are at half the price.
The only other thing I'll say (and I'm going on your posts on the thread about anal too) is that if you don't feel able to give punters a good service unless you are attracted to them, you're going to have a miserable time. Prostitution isn't about having great sex with people you fancy, and part of the reason you're being so handsomely paid is for not judging your customers.
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Thanks Amy for the advice (and from posts before where you have helped me) but with all due respect I don't agree with the last paragragh. I don't judge any punter, in fact i respect the money for service aspect which i never got in dating guys as they pretended to like me to get sex for free/cheap lol. Ive had a couple of older white businessmen and whilst yes they weren't as attractive as the younger, hot guys ive had, i actually still really enjoyed the sex as i love getting licked, fucked, sucked etc.. Ofc its not perfect sex but theres something superficially arousing about having a man do sexual things with me,me dressing up, wearing lingerie, using toys etc, so i actually really love escorting for that reason (once the fear of meeting strangers dissipated which i knew you helpfully assisted me on on i think my first post!).
The only reason i said i would keep anal for guys i physically like is just from the physical aspect, anal sex in an hour with limited foreplay is more painful than i would like. In my natural sex life, my ex would kiss, lick, suck, go down on me etc for ages then when fully relaxed anal would be pleasurable, but in an escorting aspect i haven't yet had that. Then again ive only had 4 clients so far as i am a real newbie! Just from a practical point of view, i wanted to know whether i could take a break like a rotation on providing anal, as yes my hole still hurts from yday (but i do think its got ive got piles unfortunately - sorry tmi i know!). I'm getting them removed hopefully soon so maybe anal wont be that bad in the future, but i will be offering at my discretion as advised.
Many thanks,
LB :)
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Thanks Amy for the advice (and from posts before where you have helped me) but with all due respect I don't agree with the last paragragh. I don't judge any punter, in fact i respect the money for service aspect which i never got in dating guys as they pretended to like me to get sex for free/cheap lol. Ive had a couple of older white businessmen and whilst yes they weren't as attractive as the younger, hot guys ive had, i actually still really enjoyed the sex as i love getting licked, fucked, sucked etc.. Ofc its not perfect sex but theres something superficially arousing about having a man do sexual things with me,me dressing up, wearing lingerie, using toys etc, so i actually really love escorting for that reason (once the fear of meeting strangers dissipated which i knew you helpfully assisted me on on i think my first post!).
I was referring to the part of your first post where you mentioned groups of punters you don't want to see because of 'sexual preference', and pointing out that our sexual preferences aren't relevant here. It's judgemental because you're not taking the individual members of a group as individual people but instead lumping them all together as if they're all the same, which is what I meant. That doesn't mean it's either right or wrong or any sort of a criticism, just that I thought it (using your personal preference to decide whether to see paying customers) was a odd thing to do :).
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Is it possible.. Without trying to exacerbate the race conflict here.. That the reason you are attracting a large number or black and Asian men when you would prefer not to is because of WHERE you are working? For example I work in various different places and in some the bulk of the calls I get are! ethnic minorities' and in others it's 100% white. If you look at it it tends to reflect the make up of the area.
If you are hoping to attract mainly white men why not try booking a couple of days in a 99% white region of the country? (also being the new girl somewhere might give you a business boost)
As for the agencies, the only reason to join an agency and be independent at the same tine is for additional advertising. You would likely get the same boost in business from advertising independently elsewhere and you wouldn't have to deal with the downsides of agency work.
If you don't want to permanently lower your rates you could always do a promotional drop just for a bit of a boost to see if it makes a difference and to see if you feel comfortable with it
And as controversial as it is to say (please don't bite my head off for this) saying it's your sexual preference not to see certain groups doesn't necessarily mean you expect to be sexual attracted to the others, in some people's cases they find certain ethnic groups physically repulsive and as such it becomes difficult to justify doing this job with them as it is significantly more uncomfortable than with others, without debating whether or not it's right or racist to feel physically repulsed by a generalised group, it might be worth acknowledging that for some people it is a reality they need to work around. And there are plenty of other girls who couldn't care less and are happy to see all regardless, I don't think anyone should feel bad about avoiding things or people that make them uncomfortable for any reason if avoiding then makes them happier or safer in this job
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Hi Amy,
Sorry my mistake, i hear what your saying. I guess it is judgemental and tbh i wish it wasn't the case as i have lot SO MUCH business its unbelievable. In about 2 weeks i have had calls from around 40 indian and some middle eastern guys and whilst not all would convert into bookings it is still includes potential leads and what is sad is that some of those indian guys are SO nice and seem despondent i wont meet them rather than offended in any angry way. I am lucky i have never had any abuse regarding my stance, racist or otherwise.
Miss Bentley thanks for being so understanding - i do unfortunately find indian men quite frankly physically repulsive but i think its because ive grown up with them, i mean they ARE my kin to a certain extent. Like my community elders, my cousins etc ... strange as i know white girls are related to white men but still see white men and it doesn't cause issues, but for me it does?! then again it just could be i find white men so good looking, even the ugly ones i can find something attractive about them, but indian i really cant even though some of them truly were lovely on the phone.
I think as Miss Bentley says i will try in a different area, London by its nature is so heavily multicultural and i am in a borough with tonnes of Asians lol. Anyway lastly i just want to say i hope i didn't offend anyone myself, i am an Asian (not indian but similar) myself and i love my community and am proud of being who i am and my culture (after all in relates to my family), i just quite frankly love white cock lmao ;) all you white girls are sooo lucky lolol :) x
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Well I don't think anybody is saying or has ever said that anybody should feel forced to see punters they don't want to, and like MB I'm not keen to allow this thread to degenerate down the usual predictable lines until it's locked. Being miserable when you're working will show in your service and that won't help either you or your clients :).
I will admit though that the idea of an entire demographic made up of completely different and diverse people being blanket-described as 'repulsive' is something I find beyond the pale, and whilst that doesn't matter I think it's worth pointing out that a lot of punters - some of whom will fit into the OP's target market - will feel the same way. Just to clarify MB; you weren't suggesting she actually puts this in her marketing? I've had clients who I know other people would find difficult to deal with (extremely overweight or with physical disabilities of whatever kind) and I'll happily admit that because how they look doesn't even cross my mind any more than it would if I was cutting their hair or serving them in a pub, I find it hard to imagine what it would be like if it did.
LB, as far as the agency idea goes, I agree that some proper advertising (which probably won't cost you anything like the hefty amount that an agency cut will) would be a far more useful proposition, plus you'll be able to maintain control over who you see. A pimp isn't going to care about anybody's preferences, because turning perfectly good punters with perfectly good money away doesn't put cash in their bank account.
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Agencys are idiots, when i lived in london i sent my pics to numerous ones and never heard back and im glad i didnt now!!
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Why not try offering a 'special weekend rate' for a while and see if that gets you any extra business at the weekends? it doesn't even have to involve lowering your rates, for example you could offer half hour bookings if you don't already.
Having a website will really help you as there are some good directories that give a lot of exposure. Your website doesn't have to be any more identifying than your AW. I have a similar issue as you in terms of anonymity but without my website i would get far less of the more 'high end' clients that you seem to be wanting to market yourself towards. Quite a few of my clients like that have never once used adultwork.
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Would working for an agency pay less than you charge as an independent? If so, how about lowering your price at the weekend? Or a 15 minute blow n go?
RE: race. I used to see only white guys because I'm genuinely not attracted to black or Asians. However, I am now owned by my Master (a bdsm thing) and he said that all cocks come with cash and as I'm doing this for money, then it doesnt matter what colour they are. I glad he said that because I discovered that all the Asian guys I see treat me with total respect, most are shaven where it counts and all are totally clean. Not so for many white guys I've seen! Ok, I'm not physically attracted to them, but I'm not attracted to many of the white guys I see. The ones I have struggled with so far are the guys from eastern europe, they all are very abrupt and never look happy :-\
So, if its just money your short of, how about allowing asian guys?
xx
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Agencys are idiots, when i lived in london i sent my pics to numerous ones and never heard back and im glad i didnt now!!
I sent 3 natural pics (they aren't published on any site for them to "look me up") to a few agencies and I got replay "please send 6 professional photos" :FF
Lol
So they can steal it and publish on their website ? ;D
I'll pass.