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Rosa

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Re: Reducing cancellations/no shows.
« Reply #15 on: 19 July 2014, 07:18:54 pm »
The other reason I love the adultwork booking system is that if anything bad ever happened to me because of a client, (never has touch wood!) I would go straight to police and their IP address would be traceable.

Are you aware the police would then be very likely ask you for your user name and password so they could access your AW and also email account?

I kid ye not and not something I'd be happy handing over. They tried it on me but luckily the person who committed a crime against me hadn't booked via any website or email, so I was able to refuse.

TeenKylie

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Re: Reducing cancellations/no shows.
« Reply #16 on: 19 July 2014, 07:20:48 pm »
PS very glad you have very few cancellations Kylie, I find cancellations and timing alterations extremely draining and stressful. Constant juggling, reconfirming, screening another person, then they can't make it............then I have weeks where it's all extremely reliable types who book, confirm and turn up.
Yeah, well I'm quite selective about who I see also, being I don't see many clients anyway. I like to know a little about them before we meet. For example rough age, nationality, what they are looking for etc. This is good to find out more when corresponding through emails. I will never just see anyone that rings and asks for an appointment without going through my booking procedure. I don't feel I lose any money like this and am very happy :)

TeenKylie

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Re: Reducing cancellations/no shows.
« Reply #17 on: 19 July 2014, 07:23:48 pm »
The other reason I love the adultwork booking system is that if anything bad ever happened to me because of a client, (never has touch wood!) I would go straight to police and their IP address would be traceable.

Are you aware the police would then be very likely ask you for your user name and password so they could access your AW and also email account?

I kid ye not and not something I'd be happy handing over. They tried it on me but luckily the person who committed a crime against me hadn't booked via any website or email, so I was able to refuse.
If that was the case and I wanted the person found and brought to justice ASAP, then yes I would give the police my adultwork details.

No offence but I don't know how it was 'lucky' that they were NOT traceable?
« Last Edit: 19 July 2014, 07:25:23 pm by MissKylie »

amy

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Re: Reducing cancellations/no shows.
« Reply #18 on: 19 July 2014, 07:24:52 pm »
Yeah, well I'm quite selective about who I see also, being I don't see many clients anyway. I like to know a little about them before we meet. For example rough age, nationality, what they are looking for etc. This is good to find out more when corresponding through emails. I will never just see anyone that rings and asks for an appointment without going through my booking procedure. I don't feel I lose any money like this and am very happy :)

Kylie, everybody here is selective about who they see for the sake of their sanity if no other reason :).

I take lots of bookings by email, just not via Adultwork. Plenty of people want to correspond this way before booking advance appointments because it gives them something concrete to refer back to; not everybody is confident on the phone or finds it easy to remember details from a quick conversation when they're nervous. This doesn't mean that either the email conversation or the booking needs to be conducted via a third party site, does it?

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« Reply #19 on: 19 July 2014, 07:27:12 pm »
No offence but I don't know how it was 'lucky' that they were NOT traceable?

Rosa didn't say they weren't traceable. She said she didn't have to have the police rooting about amongst her Adultwork account (her credit history, other bookings, private emails from other punters) in order to do so, because her attacker didn't use it.

TeenKylie

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Re: Reducing cancellations/no shows.
« Reply #20 on: 19 July 2014, 07:29:16 pm »
Yeah, well I'm quite selective about who I see also, being I don't see many clients anyway. I like to know a little about them before we meet. For example rough age, nationality, what they are looking for etc. This is good to find out more when corresponding through emails. I will never just see anyone that rings and asks for an appointment without going through my booking procedure. I don't feel I lose any money like this and am very happy :)

Kylie, everybody here is selective about who they see for the sake of their sanity if no other reason :).

I take lots of bookings by email, just not via Adultwork. Plenty of people want to correspond this way before booking advance appointments because it gives them something concrete to refer back to; not everybody is confident on the phone or finds it easy to remember details from a quick conversation when they're nervous. This doesn't mean that either the email conversation or the booking needs to be conducted via a third party site, does it?
For me it does 80% of the time, as I said I do make exceptions to people who are genuinely worried or computer illiterate, not guys who just can't be bothered. It all depends how they sound on the phone at the end of the day, that is the MOST important thing to me after any initial contact by email or whatever.

As I also said, if I didn't have the adultwork booking system I would create a similar process on my own website.

I've been working four years now and not once had a dangerous or pushy client, I know that's hard to believe but it must have something to do with the way I do things? All the overnights I've been on with strangers and never had a problem too. Or had any issues like being stolen from etc, I must be doing something right!
« Last Edit: 19 July 2014, 07:47:12 pm by MissKylie »

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« Reply #21 on: 19 July 2014, 07:33:18 pm »
As I also said if I didn't have the adultwork booking system I would create a similar process on my own website.

They've already been created. They're called Contact Forms :).

TeenKylie

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« Reply #22 on: 19 July 2014, 07:35:58 pm »
No offence but I don't know how it was 'lucky' that they were NOT traceable?

Rosa didn't say they weren't traceable. She said she didn't have to have the police rooting about amongst her Adultwork account (her credit history, other bookings, private emails from other punters) in order to do so, because her attacker didn't use it.
How would of he been traceable any other way? Especially if he used an unregistered sim? If you declare to HMRC I don't really see the problem.

TeenKylie

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« Reply #23 on: 19 July 2014, 07:37:25 pm »
As I also said if I didn't have the adultwork booking system I would create a similar process on my own website.

They've already been created. They're called Contact Forms :).
Contact forums? You mean like on here?

TeenKylie

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Re: Reducing cancellations/no shows.
« Reply #24 on: 19 July 2014, 07:38:49 pm »
As long as the lady is happy with the way she does things and is SAFE then that's all that matters. I know how I do things isn't for everyone.

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« Reply #25 on: 19 July 2014, 07:39:52 pm »
Similarly, and to follow your logic, what use is an IP address if it comes from a 24 hour internet cafe in Streatham?

As long as the lady is happy with the way she does things and is SAFE then that's all that matters. I know how I do things isn't for everyone.

I quite agree, and ditto the way I do things! I think the main concern is that you seem to put a lot of faith in something which cannot possibly protect you, and that's really what people are trying to point out :).
« Last Edit: 19 July 2014, 07:41:29 pm by amy »

TeenKylie

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Re: Reducing cancellations/no shows.
« Reply #26 on: 19 July 2014, 07:43:21 pm »
Similarly, and to follow your logic, what use is an IP address if it comes from a 24 hour internet cafe in Streatham?

As long as the lady is happy with the way she does things and is SAFE then that's all that matters. I know how I do things isn't for everyone.

I quite agree, and ditto the way I do things! I think the main concern is that you seem to put a lot of faith in something which cannot possibly protect you, and that's really what people are trying to point out :).
Yeah that's a valid point, but it seems it would be a lot more hassle for the guy to go through having to go to an Internet cafe to put a booking through? If someone really wants to hurt you though unfortunately they will do anything to get around your procedures to see you, so you always have to be on your guard.

Rosa

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Re: Reducing cancellations/no shows.
« Reply #27 on: 19 July 2014, 07:47:15 pm »
No offence but I don't know how it was 'lucky' that they were NOT traceable?

Rosa didn't say they weren't traceable. She said she didn't have to have the police rooting about amongst her Adultwork account (her credit history, other bookings, private emails from other punters) in order to do so, because her attacker didn't use it.
How would of he been traceable any other way? Especially if he used an unregistered sim? If you declare to HMRC I don't really see the problem.

Yes indeed he was traceable even through his supposedly 'untraceable' unregistered SIM. Even unregistered there's still info that can be provided by the network provider that can lead to further evidence.

IP addresses can also be inaccurate, and 'untraceable' and I would suspect extracting an IP address from AW for an account he might close down(so emails then no longer have a name on them) is probably a bit more difficult than going to a phone network provider and asking for data.

My concerns were that the police would/could accidentally make changes to my account, or delete emails I'd not yet read. I don't trust people not to make mistakes and where it concerns my business I am very protective and careful.

Have you also thought about police computers creating alias's if they are looking at his (or anyone else they are looking at for investigation purposes) account from the same pc/police IP address?Or you showing up as accessing from somewhere strange?AW not believing it's the police thinking you are doing something strange?AW have a bit of a record for axing profiles first then answering questions later.

And yes I do declare my income to HMRC - this was something that helped the police build a solid case and far from my mind when I refused to give email and access to my website. At the time the police were not understanding how the whole thing worked, but I have no doubt they'd insist on it if the booking was made electronically - yes I'd hand it over if I had to, but I would not like doing it. Handing over my work phone was bad enough and you only have minutes to decide or prepare whilst they are stood there telling you you have to because you've just reported a crime.
« Last Edit: 19 July 2014, 07:51:01 pm by Rosa »

TeenKylie

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Re: Reducing cancellations/no shows.
« Reply #28 on: 19 July 2014, 07:50:33 pm »
No offence but I don't know how it was 'lucky' that they were NOT traceable?

Rosa didn't say they weren't traceable. She said she didn't have to have the police rooting about amongst her Adultwork account (her credit history, other bookings, private emails from other punters) in order to do so, because her attacker didn't use it.
How would of he been traceable any other way? Especially if he used an unregistered sim? If you declare to HMRC I don't really see the problem.

Yes indeed he was traceable even through his supposedly 'untraceable' unregistered SIM. Even unregistered there's still info that can be provided by the network provider that can lead to further evidence.

IP addresses can also be inaccurate, and 'untraceable' and I would suspect extracting an IP address from AW for an account he might close down(so emails then no longer have a name on them) is probably a bit more difficult than going to a phone network provider and asking for data.

My concerns were that the police would/could accidentally make changes to my account, or delete emails I'd not yet read. I don't trust people not to make mistakes and where it concerns my business I am very protective and careful.

Have you also thought about police computers creating alias's if they are looking at his (or anyone else they are looking at for investigation purposes) account from the same pc/police IP address?Or you showing up as accessing from somewhere strange?AW not believing it's the police thinking you are doing something strange?AW have a bit of a record for axing profiles first then answering questions later.

And yes I do declare my income to HMRC - this was something that helped the police build a solid case.
I wasn't suggesting you didn't Rosa, I just meant working ladies in general. If someone had attacked me that badly I honestly don't think I'd care about my business for a while until they were caught!!

Rosa

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Re: Reducing cancellations/no shows.
« Reply #29 on: 19 July 2014, 07:55:29 pm »
No offence but I don't know how it was 'lucky' that they were NOT traceable?

Rosa didn't say they weren't traceable. She said she didn't have to have the police rooting about amongst her Adultwork account (her credit history, other bookings, private emails from other punters) in order to do so, because her attacker didn't use it.
How would of he been traceable any other way? Especially if he used an unregistered sim? If you declare to HMRC I don't really see the problem.

Yes indeed he was traceable even through his supposedly 'untraceable' unregistered SIM. Even unregistered there's still info that can be provided by the network provider that can lead to further evidence.

IP addresses can also be inaccurate, and 'untraceable' and I would suspect extracting an IP address from AW for an account he might close down(so emails then no longer have a name on them) is probably a bit more difficult than going to a phone network provider and asking for data.

My concerns were that the police would/could accidentally make changes to my account, or delete emails I'd not yet read. I don't trust people not to make mistakes and where it concerns my business I am very protective and careful.

Have you also thought about police computers creating alias's if they are looking at his (or anyone else they are looking at for investigation purposes) account from the same pc/police IP address?Or you showing up as accessing from somewhere strange?AW not believing it's the police thinking you are doing something strange?AW have a bit of a record for axing profiles first then answering questions later.

And yes I do declare my income to HMRC - this was something that helped the police build a solid case.
I wasn't suggesting you didn't Rosa, I just meant working ladies in general. If someone had attacked me that badly I honestly don't think I'd care about my business for a while until they were caught!!

I'm the sort of person who does care and doesn't shoot herself in the foot, sure at the time I had about 2 days where I thought I would pack the whole thing in, but then I decided it wasn't worth letting some twit spoil what had been a really good business . Police investigations and court proceedings can take 6-12 months to complete, and you might want to get back to work in that time. At times like that being able to see regulars(and they to contact you) comes into it's own.