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Fallingstar

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Priced out of the market
« on: 23 June 2009, 01:29:45 pm »

I'm currently trying to get some private work to supplement what i earn working through my agency. I already have a profile on adultworks but 99% of them seem to be time wasters,i could count on one hand the number of genuine bookings ive gotton through it.

A friend of mine suggested vivastreet as she advertises on there. I put a profile up yesterday morning (with my professional pics,well thought out text etc) and was bombarded with phonecalls all day,most of which seemed to go like this

'what prices do you charge?' i reply to caller stating my rates to be met with the response 'do you know there are other girls who charge less money?'

Now if it was just the odd client saying this i wouldn't take it so seriously but when the majority are then it makes you set up and take notice. I feel that my prices are entirely reasonable,in fact i don't charge as much as i feel I'm actually worth but apparently I'm still overselling myself.

The trouble is there are so many girls in the newcastle area charging low rates that all men seem to think that is all they should have to pay. Is it worth explaining to them that yes they could well get another girl for an hour for 80 quid but she may well be a half articulate drug addict with a pimp boyfriend forcing her into this work (sorry to sound harsh but I'm mad) But when they see me they are seeing a professional,well presented lady who takes her job very seriously and aims to give the best service she can?

I just don't know what the answer is,i know on the punter forums men moan about us 'money grabbing escorts' all the time but i think its getting a bit beyond a joke when ?110 for an hours incall is considered an unreasonable amount >:(

Would like to hear of others experiences with this and how they deal with it before I'm reduced to doing half hour quickies for 25 quid!

And just to prove my point i put my rates on today and ive had one phonecall (as compared to about 15 by this time yesterday) and even he was asking if he could have a discount if i liked him enough!!!!!!!! (im too much of a lady to mention my response)

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Re: Priced out of the market
« Reply #1 on: 23 June 2009, 02:14:43 pm »
I feel that my prices are entirely reasonable,in fact i don't charge as much as i feel I'm actually worth but apparently I'm still overselling myself.

I obviously don't know anything about Newcastle so sorry I can't be any help there. :-\ But that bit you mentioned about not charging what you feel worth sounds worrying. Although I really don't want to come across as patronizing because if I know anything, I know that I don't know all about escorting and what everyone else should be doing! Urgh this is coming out all nonsensical! I'm just going to spit out my idea, lol. Do you think you could try charging more? Especially as it's for your 'indie profile' and you have agency work, too?

I may be totally missing the mark. But when I first struck out independently, I charged a bit less than I do now for an outcall because I didn't really feel confident in what I was doing. The two bookings I did were AWFUL, and I met two guys who were horrible and had no respect for me (they both really determinedly tried to push me to do services I don't offer). It put me off indie work for a bit! When I tried again, I made a pretty-ish website with straight-forward text, registered on the best directories and had to wait a while to get established - but it was all worth it because I hated seeing men for less money than I felt worth. Not that I'm worth some huge amount because I'm sooooo amazing, lol, but it's a really personal thing and even ?10 less wouldn't feel right. Neither would ?10 more, because then I'd feel overpriced and not confident enough!

I've not yet had a phonecall or email from a punter wanting a discount. But then again, I get only maybe three or four calls and emails a day, usually from proper clients who want to book. Plus some email 'let's chat' crap, of course! I think if you kind of go for 'pricing yourself out of the market' on purpose, you can change the type of punter you attract. Not that girls who charge more are necessarily better escorts (far from it, as we all know!) but I think charging say, ?10 (or whatever) more than 'the rest of them' might be a way of indicating to potential clients that you're a bit special.

Or I might be totally wrong. I've only been in the business for a year and I've been undeservedly lucky. I wish I knew what was going on with this influx of ?80 girls... are there really so many of them? There's a whole bunch of ?60/hour profiles on AW! It seems like something is wrong there somehow, but I don't know what.
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strawberry

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Re: Priced out of the market
« Reply #2 on: 23 June 2009, 02:38:41 pm »
You will get this from Vivastreet, although there are some decent clients who will get to you through the site - it's mainly because you are new.

I'm in touch with a few girls and agencies in Newcastle and I can tell you ?110 for 1 hour incall is the average going rate over there.

One of the problems the area does have is an agency that closed down - was known for putting girls in flats with a high turn-over of clients each day whilst charging lower rates.

Since it was closed - court case pending, a lot of the Indies have had a lot of the old patrons of this establishment hound them expecting the same low rates. I remember a guy from that area asking why I couldn't offer an overnight for ?450 like their girls did. I told him he was more than welcome to find out, if that's what suited him.

I've be reliably informed by a client that their service was not the same.

Stick by your guns and don't let them get at you.

Fallingstar

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Re: Priced out of the market
« Reply #3 on: 23 June 2009, 02:40:16 pm »
Hi Emily.

Yes i entirely see your point regarding the detrimental effect not charging what you are worth can have and i am in total agreement. I dont think it will work in this case though as if they are quibbling over ?20 then god knows what reaction a higher rate would induce,they would probably have a seizure.

Yes there are a lot of girls up here charging cheap rates also the majority of the agencies do 30 mins for ?50 (including mine) so guys are now thinking that thats a perfectly reasonable rate. Yep before you say it i know i should try and find an agency that charges higher rates but as your read my topic regarding what happened with the last lot of more 'elite' idiots i tried i think you will understand the problems im having.

Trouble is as well a lot of people are cottoning on to the fact that i work through an agency as well as indie and they are expecting the same rates as with the agency!!!!!!!! there is no way i am working for the same rates as the agency,especially when the clients have had the added privilage of being able to speak to me on phone etc beforehand.

At the minute im getting phonecalls from people asking if they should just book me through the agency if i wont lower my prices. My reply has been that its upto them but not to contact my private number if they dont want to make a private booking.

Also getting lots of where do you work? whats your rates? type calls and texts even though its all on my profile.

I could honestly cry,its all getting very stressful.

Ive considered changing my name for my private work but im not sure if it will work as theyve already seen the pictures under the name Collette :(

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Re: Priced out of the market
« Reply #4 on: 23 June 2009, 02:46:11 pm »
In Amsterdam we have the same problem. It is mostly housewives, or part-time students who are charging a lower rate, they see it as extra pocket money! And I mean for a 20 yr old working part time in the Grocery store, and studying, who's monthly salary is 600-800 euros, when they can charge 100 an hour and get 5 or 6 clients a day! You can see why they are popping up all over the place. They don't have the expenses we do, their photos are taken in some cases with a phone camera, they don't have a website, and in Holland condoms are cheap, or free! Some cheap lingerie, a red scarf over the bedside lamp, and instant bordello! Plus, the media aren't doing us any favors either, expose here, expose there, the general public becomes more aware of this 'kind of thing going on', and well you know the rest. Frustrating it is.


Fallingstar

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Re: Priced out of the market
« Reply #5 on: 23 June 2009, 02:49:18 pm »
Hi as well Strawberry

Yes i know the agency you mean very well and i think you are right in what you say. Trouble is a lot of the other agencies are now charging similar rates. For example my current agency charges the same for a 30 min incall as that agency did,they push the price up for longer bookings but i think once your setting your rates low even for that one booking then the damage is already done.

I really wish all the agencies would just scrap 30 min bookings entirely and only charge for an hour.The clients would still come to see us and the girls would make more money and not have to see as many clients into the bargain. I really feel strongly that these low prices are dragging the industry up here in Newcastle into the gutter >:( . Its heart breaking that girls (myself included) are doing 30 mins bookings and walking away with ?35 quid for it after agency commission. Youve sha**ed a stranger for less than the cost of a nice pair of new shoes.

Its soul destroying.

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Re: Priced out of the market
« Reply #6 on: 23 June 2009, 02:55:27 pm »
I'm charging more than is average in my area, since I have seen firsthand that many of the average priced girls in my city have serious heroin problems.  While you certainly don't want to slag off your competitors, you could emphasise that you pledge to be drug and alcohol free.  Expect fewer clients at a higher price; but this won't matter because you won't need so many.

Also, a moonfruit website is a piece of cake to organise and free too, but don't use any fully nude pictures.  With a return link it's free to advertise on punterlink, puntingzone and others and is really worth doing.  I've had a little luck with AW, but have fared FAR better with free listings elsewhere.  Sexyindependentescorts.com, despite its silly name is ?20 per month but gets MANY hits.  

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Re: Priced out of the market
« Reply #7 on: 23 June 2009, 03:34:15 pm »
Given your location, I'd just suggest the simple approach: "I'll reduce my prices when Newcastle United reduce theirs!"

If you want to guard against clients with long memories asking next year, you could change it to "I'll consider reducing..."

(For those not interested in the local religion, Newcastle were relegated from the Premiership - i.e. top division - at the end of this season but they have not reduced their season ticket prices accordingly for next season. It's not clear what they'll do if they fail to be promoted at the end of that one.)

'The Ian formerly known as SW5'. What they said: "Indispensable", "You are our best resource", and (hours later!) "I'm afraid that you're being made redundant..."

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Re: Priced out of the market
« Reply #8 on: 23 June 2009, 03:34:31 pm »
For incall locations there are loads of luxury apartments around the various cities in the world, but the UK has the best ones I have found, that are reasonably priced, check out some of these as a way to have a centralized incall location, some even provide parking spaces for residents. So, the clients even have a place to park. I usually use a short term apartment when in the UK, also when working in Amsterdam as well.
Google-'(your city) short term apartments'.

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Re: Priced out of the market
« Reply #9 on: 23 June 2009, 05:37:13 pm »
By the way, when I first started I was told I was too expensive (and I started at 110) - why didn't I price myself at parlour/agency rates?

It was only when started to become popular and well known that some of those complainers actually came to see me.

Part of the reason my rates are the level they are is because I realised I was offered a good QUALITY service. Something different to a lot of parlours as well as some indies. Guys liked me being relaxed, not clockwatching, knowing I was discrete and that I didn't see many guys at all. That makes for someone who is most probably going to give a different experience.

Don't let it get you down, I got a caller yesterday from someone who told me I was too expensive. Fair enough - that's up to them.

Once again stick it out and it should come good.

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Re: Priced out of the market
« Reply #10 on: 23 June 2009, 06:13:30 pm »
Hey,

Completely agree with the sentiments on here so far- some men appreciate the concept of value for money as opposed to "cheap", and it's these you want- those arguing anything different do not deserve to meet you and if they did it would be under a cloud of resentment from you and probably them as well.

The idea that you work for the amount of money you feel comfortable charging is so important for your mental wellbeing in this business, you need to be able to feel comfortable, and those who you want to attract will be those who appreciate this, and are not looking for as cheap an experience as possible. How dare they degrade you by saying you are not worth what you decide to charge!

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strawberry

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Re: Priced out of the market
« Reply #11 on: 23 June 2009, 06:33:32 pm »
Oh, and don't waste your breath or self-esteem trying to explain this to the guys. If they want to go elsewhere, so-be-it.

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Re: Priced out of the market
« Reply #12 on: 23 June 2009, 07:14:08 pm »
Trouble is as well a lot of people are cottoning on to the fact that i work through an agency as well as indie and they are expecting the same rates as with the agency!!!!!!!!

Ive considered changing my name for my private work but im not sure if it will work as theyve already seen the pictures under the name Collette :(

Yes...do it! it wil certainly do the trick. In fact, take new ones or find ones you havent sent to the agency and use those

brandy@saafe

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Re: Priced out of the market
« Reply #13 on: 23 June 2009, 08:24:58 pm »
Blimey, thank God I'm in London. Seems to be a different mentality down here. You don't get brow-beaten into lowering your prices.
Instead of advertising on third-party sites, why don't you knock up a cheap website and get yourself on a few directories? I say cheap and not free because some directories won't accept free sites like moonfruit. Make your site look classy (without having to mention it) and a cut above so people can see that you're a cut above the rest. From your little avatar you're a gorgeous-looking woman and I don't see why you have to charge lower than what you feel comfortable with.

There's nothing like bargain hunters to beat the confidence out of you. Stick to your guns, girly.

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Re: Priced out of the market
« Reply #14 on: 23 June 2009, 09:17:38 pm »
I nearly highjacked this thread when i read about the magpies! God I love football! Got me thinking about doing season tickets....? doubt if that would work.

Anyways....I had the same problem when I first started out and now things are picking up. Just stick with it and it will come good.

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