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blondie10

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paying taxes?
« on: 24 March 2013, 11:05:44 pm »
Hi all,
just a quick question i was looking into becoming a escort and i know through the agency i was going to join its cash in hand so do you pay your taxes etc? if so how much is it and how do you go about it? Im only going be working 2 shifts a week... All advice will help
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« Reply #1 on: 24 March 2013, 11:10:47 pm »
Virtually all prostitution is cash in hand, and you're unlikely to experience anything else (Iif you want to use an agency, the punter still pays you and then you pay them their commission - they work for you, not the other way round). You're taxed on your earnings - how many hours you work doesn't come into it.

You need to register as self employed with HMRC within three months of starting, and it's very easy, and you can find all the relevant contacts and forms on their website. If you use the Search box here and type things like 'HMRC', 'tax', 'self employed' you'll find lots of helpful discussions on the forum too :).

blondie10

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« Reply #2 on: 24 March 2013, 11:19:19 pm »
Thank you
I will look into that just worrying how it will effect my benefits

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« Reply #3 on: 24 March 2013, 11:24:04 pm »
Well I don't know a lot about benefits, but there was a huge thread about it not that long ago, most of which was lengthy off topic stuff but might be helpful.

I'm pretty sure you can earn X amount working part time before you lose benefits, and you can still claim some as self employed although I would think it would have to be a truly dreadful agency if that was the best they can do for you in terms of earnings.

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« Reply #4 on: 24 March 2013, 11:36:08 pm »
Hi,

From reading it seems those with families often still remain on benefits. Locally a family home is a minimum of ?1250 pcm to rent, so some people find their overheads are massive anyway and will still get some housing help or even working tax credits.

Just makes sure you pop 30% aside for tax and then you will pay less with tax deductibles.

The site entitledto will help you gauge what you will or will not get benefit wise initially.

Nice shiny tax year at the start of the month, so will make it easier for you.

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blondie10

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« Reply #5 on: 24 March 2013, 11:51:42 pm »
My rent is only 475 so compared to that its cheap haha...

I dont know anything about tax etc etc all i know is that i have benefits because i am a single Mum i have joined a agency to make more money but dont want to be caught out so doing it all by the book....x

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« Reply #6 on: 24 March 2013, 11:58:18 pm »
Hi,

Google taxreliefforescorts it will help a little.

Then google for the link to register with HMRC before you start working. You can resister as an escort as they will not share the info and it allows you to claim for condoms etc. Or you can think of a random trade and not get tax relief on everything.

Then let the benefits agency/housing know when ever you earn anything, you will find at first you are working and only gaining ?20 a week due to the cap, but eventually you will get off them. Personally I would invent a self employed description for them as you never know if the information is passed on!

I can not pop links here, but googling will help, as will looking at the main site (a lot of info there) and using the search facility on the forum.

Also, remember that by the time you pay an agency and taxes you are often giving away half of your money (You need to pay National Insurance too), so consider going Independent.

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amy

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« Reply #7 on: 25 March 2013, 12:01:46 am »
Well by far the best people to ask are the benefit people and the tax office; you can call them (you don't have to tell them the details if you don't want to for now and plenty of folk just make up something about mobile hairdressing or whatever, but if you're just enquring prior to registering you might as well, since they won't know who you are) and get tailored advice.

We can all do our best here, but at the end of the day it's not us who will be deciding it and no-one can tell you anything concrete without having all the info.

blondie10

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« Reply #8 on: 25 March 2013, 12:11:40 am »
thank you all il look into that!
May just end up going independent and having it as spare money at this rate!  :FF

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« Reply #9 on: 25 March 2013, 06:31:24 am »
Would be interesting to know if the agency you pay your cut to takes half and somehow you would need to mention it because if you are shown as charging 150 an hour you will have to explain why you only get 75.

No way out of paying tax. I want to treat myself to a new Mercedes so will have to explain how I could afford it.

Then if you want to buy a property you would have to prove your income.

I know a lady who paid all her mortgage off 8 years ago. She was one gorgeous busy lady. But she didn't pay a penny in tax!!!! Fool!!!!

Reminder to any lady who buys a home by the way! If you have one when you're old and you need to go in to a nursing home they will take it off you to pay for it and if you have nothing the state will pay for it.

So while I am a believer that you should pay your taxes I have no intentions of using my hard earned cash to pay for a nursing home because I think that shoud be free after paying tax most of my life.

I'm glad I got all the Cynthia Payne books before the prices rocked to sky high.

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« Reply #10 on: 25 March 2013, 09:32:51 am »
Would be interesting to know if the agency you pay your cut to takes half and somehow you would need to mention it because if you are shown as charging 150 an hour you will have to explain why you only get 75.

You just put "agency commission" in your list of Outgoings when keeping your records. Not sure if it goes anywhere in your actual tax return form cos I have my accountant do that for me, but back in my newbie/agency days I recorded the commission in my general accounts spreadsheet.

OP: It's a good idea to keep records right from the start. If the tax man notices you are working but not paying taxes (and I hear they have a whole department dedicated to keeping an eye on prossies - it must be the bloody easiest way to catch tax evaders, since they have to advertise on all the easily-Googled sites along with the rest of us!), they will levy a tax bill on you based on some horrifying assumed income. For example, at ?120 per hour, you'll be lucky if they only assume you're working 4-5 hours a day, 5 days per week. They might assume you're working 8 hours per day! That means a COLOSSAL yearly income, and therefore a MASSIVE tax bill. Then the onus is entirely on you to prove them wrong; you'll have to supply all documents and accounting info and bank statements and income/expenditure records and your work diary and anything else you can possibly think of if you even want to hope to get the tax bill reduced.

It's therefore MUCH cheaper to just give the tax man an appropriate portion of your earnings. :) There's actually a relatively high threshold so if you only want to earn, say, a couple of hundred quid a week to put towards the bills or food shopping or birthday presents then there wouldn't be much tax to pay on that. No need to live in fear, looking over your shoulder constantly.
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« Reply #11 on: 25 March 2013, 10:01:05 am »
Having been investigated myself recently (it's not over yet) my tip would be to use card payments for small purchases, and electronic payments where possible rather than cash.

I had a hard time convincing them I banked all of my cash, as they were convinced I was doing more work than I do, but the fact I would go and bank my money, then buy a coffee on a debit card helped back up the fact I was not using undeclared cash for small purchases.

Even though I have declared everything and done everything by the book, it has been a horrendously stressful experience, and I practically lost it after a 4 hour interrogation with them. I can't imagine how stressful it would have been if I did have something to hide! Ironically, the stress of that for the past few months (...and it it months, not weeks) has impacted my income, so they'll be getting less tax off of me this year, but it's their own fault for being a nightmare.

If you ever do get investigated, they will check everything, so keep good records & run your business with that in mind and when the inevitable happens, it won't be as bad.

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« Reply #12 on: 25 March 2013, 12:03:52 pm »
my tip would be to use card payments for small purchases, and electronic payments where possible rather than cash.

I bank everything and use my cards for everything too. Ages ago I had a Tax Bill queried and couldn't find the receipts to back up some of my expenses. The Inland Revenue were happy to accept the Debit Card entries on my Bank Statement instead of the actual receipts and it saved me a fortune.

Obviously I'm a lot more careful about keeping my receipts now but I like using my card and having the entry on my Bank Statement as a  back-up. Its helped me too when I've had one of those receipts printed on Thermal paper that fades to bloody nothing after three months in a file and is useless when it comes to doing your books!

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blondie10

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« Reply #13 on: 25 March 2013, 04:02:58 pm »
its all so bloody confusing. I only work two shifts a week because of looking after my son and ive been sort of advised by the agency to declare nothing until a few weeks time when i can work out if i want to carry on the career or not....... its so confusing

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« Reply #14 on: 25 March 2013, 08:56:32 pm »
its all so bloody confusing. I only work two shifts a week because of looking after my son and ive been sort of advised by the agency to declare nothing until a few weeks time when i can work out if i want to carry on the career or not....... its so confusing

Please read the main SAAFE site (http://www.saafe.info), particularly the articles on Paying Your Tax, the Law, and Agencies. Hover over "Information for Escorts" to view the full article list.

Are you aware that agencies are illegal operations? It is legal to work as an escort - accepting money for sexual services - but it is not legal to benefit financially from someone else's escorting. Agency owners are pimps, basically, and pimping is a crime.

Your agent is, therefore, a criminal who is probably committing serious tax evasion. I'm sure they're a very nice person and all that, but do bear in mind that if you're going to take the advice of a criminal pimp over that of independent workers who aren't making a penny off you, then you may not be entirely rewarded with the result.

At the end of the day, however, your life decisions are your life decisions. If you worked for two shifts per week over two weeks, you would almost certainly not earn enough to pass the tax threshold for the month, so you wouldn't have to pay any taxes. But if you don't declare that income and someone spitefully dobs you in to HMRC, you could get a bill based on their assumption that you earned ?1000 per day since you started working.

Keep records, declare your income, submit a tax return. Or cross your fingers and worry all day. It's really up to you. :)
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