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Angel2023

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Paying for ads and keeping your name private.
« on: 03 September 2023, 03:39:00 pm »
How do you keep your privacy online when you pay for the ads? Surely, you don't pay from your own debit card for it?

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« Reply #1 on: 03 September 2023, 04:18:38 pm »
Yes, I use my debit card from my work bank account - it's easier to do my expenses if everything is on the same bank statement (advertising, condoms, work flat bills etc) and it wouldn't occur to me not to? I don't for AW.because I pay for things there with the credits on the site.

What's your concern about using your card/legal name? You know that GDPR will mean a very hefty kicking to anybody who tries to play silly fuckers with people's personal information? :)

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« Reply #2 on: 03 September 2023, 04:45:32 pm »
Yes, I use my debit card from my work bank account - it's easier to do my expenses if everything is on the same bank statement (advertising, condoms, work flat bills etc) and it wouldn't occur to me not to? I don't for AW.because I pay for things there with the credits on the site.

What's your concern about using your card/legal name? You know that GDPR will mean a very hefty kicking to anybody who tries to play silly fuckers with people's personal information? :)

My concern is that the website owners will know my real name and I don't trust all website owners with my personal details. Websites can be hacked or website owners can share my details in the future, who knows? But even if you pay with your company name, is easy to Google your company name and Company House will show your real name, your address, date of birth and nationality.
Did you ever have any privacy issues because you paid with your debit card and real name on it? I assume your work bank account is either on your own name, or LTD company?

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« Reply #3 on: 03 September 2023, 05:01:15 pm »
Prostitution is not allowed to be a company or registered at Companies House and nobody is allowed to share personal information because of GDPR as posted above

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« Reply #4 on: 03 September 2023, 05:26:07 pm »
No, my work account is a personal account (even if prostitution was a permitted activity for companies, that would mean my details being public as a company director, as your post says). I have no concerns over a payment processor or website owner knowing my legal name - I'm not breaking any laws and it's not as if there's anything they could do with it? That said, there are not that many sites I pay/have paid to advertise on.

The maximum penalty for breach of GDPR (which is the legislation I've already mentioned that protects people's personal data) is an unlimited fine, and for what? Blackmail is also an extremely serious offence in the UK so again, I'm not sure what your concern is?

I'm assuming you don't use Adultwork.com, since you would need to send your ID to them for your listing to be verified?

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« Reply #5 on: 03 September 2023, 07:08:25 pm »
No, my work account is a personal account (even if prostitution was a permitted activity for companies, that would mean my details being public as a company director, as your post says). I have no concerns over a payment processor or website owner knowing my legal name - I'm not breaking any laws and it's not as if there's anything they could do with it? That said, there are not that many sites I pay/have paid to advertise on.

The maximum penalty for breach of GDPR (which is the legislation I've already mentioned that protects people's personal data) is an unlimited fine, and for what? Blackmail is also an extremely serious offence in the UK so again, I'm not sure what your concern is?

I'm assuming you don't use Adultwork.com, since you would need to send your ID to them for your listing to be verified?

I wouldn't really rely on GDPR, because who's going to sue or care if there's going to be a data breach from an escort website?

About blackmail, yes in theory it is a serious offence, but in practice it may not be taken seriously by police and prosecuted. I think it's better to be as discreet as possible from the beginning, than relying on the police or GDPR.

There's so many men who do really terrible things, for example assault their wife's or kids and aren't prosecuted by the police. Who will care about a data breach from an escort website or an escort being blackmailed?

Yes, you are right, I don't use AdultWork. I think they are quite ridiculous with their verification process. It's my own business what work I do and my right to keep my name private, as long as I pay my own taxes, I don't do anything illegal and I don't hurt anyone.

I'm pretty sure AdultWork and all other website owners can really distinguish who's independent and who's being pimped. It's quite easy to spot if the same IP address has more than a few profiles. An independent escort won't have hundreds of profiles from the same IP address during a few months, with different email addresses and phone numbers, but a pimp will have it. I don't believe they can't see the IP address, how the payment was made and the name of the cardholder. I doubt any pimp has hundreds of debit cards in order to pay separately for each new profile. Again, is easy to spot if the same card was used to pay for too many profiles. So I'm not sure why they want to know all our personal details.

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« Reply #6 on: 03 September 2023, 07:09:35 pm »
Prostitution is not allowed to be a company or registered at Companies House and nobody is allowed to share personal information because of GDPR as posted above

Based on what my accountant told me, a few years back, a lot of self employed people go LTD after a certain amount of income if you they want to pay only 20% company tax, which can save money. I actually never thought about it, but I was sure anyone can do it. Thank you for correcting me about it.

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« Reply #7 on: 03 September 2023, 07:10:16 pm »
GDPR is not concerned with where any data breach occurs, only that one has happened.

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« Reply #8 on: 03 September 2023, 07:25:56 pm »
Yes, and there are people who attack, rob and even murder sex workers, people who mug others for their belongings and people who drive under the influence of drugs and alcohol. If we all worried ourselves into a frenzy about every possible thing that could happen, we'd never get out of bed.

Paying for an ad doesn't make your/my details public any more thany ordering a nail polish online from Space NK does - how would it? And as for somebody doing something with those details, what could they possibly gain from it given that they would lose their own livelihood (and no payment processor would ever touch them again)? Nobody is interested in knowing that I'm really Doris Smith who works legally and unremarkably as a prostitute - why would they be? I've been paying for ads for twenty years since the newspaper days, and literally nothing has ever happened.

You crack on - we'te not here to tell anybody how to live. But if you do nothing else you might want to find an accountant who knows what he's talking about; apart from anything else if he encouraged to to commit fraud and register as a different type of business for the purposes of evading tax as a limited company, you'll have some hellish penalties to pay when they find out.

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« Reply #9 on: 03 September 2023, 07:27:43 pm »
GDPR is not concerned with where any data breach occurs, only that one has happened.

That's good to know. Although better safe than sorry.
Do you know what GDPR do after they find out about a data breach? Do they clean all the data from the internet? I've heard nothing can be cleaned 100% once it's on the internet.

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« Reply #10 on: 03 September 2023, 07:34:59 pm »
Maybe it would be more constructive if you explained how you're advertising and paying for your ads now, aince you must have already found some sites and ways to pay without using your personal card? You can also open a business account in some neutral business name (Daisy's Flowers or some cobblers) which would cost you more, but at least that would be the name anybody you paid from the account got :)

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« Reply #11 on: 03 September 2023, 08:00:35 pm »
Yes, and there are people who attack, rob and even murder sex workers, people who mug others for their belongings and people who drive under the influence of drugs and alcohol. If we all worried ourselves into a frenzy about every possible thing that could happen, we'd never get out of bed.

Paying for an ad doesn't make your/my details public any more thany ordering a nail polish online from Space NK does - how would it? And as for somebody doing something with those details, what could they possibly gain from it given that they would lose their own livelihood (and no payment processor would ever touch them again)? Nobody is interested in knowing that I'm really Doris Smith who works legally and unremarkably as a prostitute - why would they be? I've been paying for ads for twenty years since the newspaper days, and literally nothing has ever happened.

You crack on - we'te not here to tell anybody how to live. But if you do nothing else you might want to find an accountant who knows what he's talking about; apart from anything else if he encouraged to to commit fraud and register as a different type of business for the purposes of evading tax as a limited company, you'll have some hellish penalties to pay when they find out.

I totally agree with you, and I'm not paranoid. I just wanted to know how others pay for their advertising and still keep their name private from the website owners. Anyway, is good to know your experience that you never had any data breach within 20 years because you paid with your own card and name.

You misunderstood me, my accountant didn't encourage me to commit a tax fraud. When I registered as self employed years back, I was doing a totally another job. I asked her to explain how I should count the amount for taxes and she explained it to me. Also told me that if I'll ever be lucky and have a big turnover after a certain amount, I can always register as an LTD and pay only 20% tax. Anyway since then I always thought that anyone, no matter what kind of job they do as a self employed can open an LTD and pay only 20% tax. It never occurred to me that sex workers can't do it, because it's legal to be self employed.

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« Reply #12 on: 03 September 2023, 08:34:27 pm »
Maybe it would be more constructive if you explained how you're advertising and paying for your ads now, aince you must have already found some sites and ways to pay without using your personal card? You can also open a business account in some neutral business name (Daisy's Flowers or some cobblers) which would cost you more, but at least that would be the name anybody you paid from the account got :)

I use a PayPal account with my business name and phone number. PayPal doesn't always require a card linked to the account when paying for something. Although sometimes it requires, it depends on the website. I was doing a PayPal transfer from my own account to another one.

I still have all the transactions in my own account, but without the website names in my bank statement. I have all the statements from my business account, there is the name of every website, amount paid and the amount received from my own PayPal account. So, the website owners didn't know my real name, while they were receiving payments. But I pay with PayPal only for ads, nothing else.

I want to advertise on some other websites now, but they require only card payments. That's why I asked.

Can you please explain to me how do I open a business account with a business name on it? Do you mean I can tell any bank that I'm a self employed, I have a business name and open an account for it but I don't want my own name on the card? Wouldn't there anyway be my own name on the card along with the business name?

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« Reply #13 on: 03 September 2023, 09:34:10 pm »
I totally agree with you, and I'm not paranoid. I just wanted to know how others pay for their advertising and still keep their name private from the website owners. Anyway, is good to know your experience that you never had any data breach within 20 years because you paid with your own card and name.

You misunderstood me, my accountant didn't encourage me to commit a tax fraud. When I registered as self employed years back, I was doing a totally another job. I asked her to explain how I should count the amount for taxes and she explained it to me. Also told me that if I'll ever be lucky and have a big turnover after a certain amount, I can always register as an LTD and pay only 20% tax. Anyway since then I always thought that anyone, no matter what kind of job they do as a self employed can open an LTD and pay only 20% tax. It never occurred to me that sex workers can't do it, because it's legal to be self employed.

The LTD tax reducing technique backfired during the pandemic, self-employed support was based on profits those who paid themselves less got less or in some cases because of the way they paid themselves from the LTD company got nothing from the government.

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« Reply #14 on: 03 September 2023, 09:40:23 pm »
I use a PayPal account with my business name and phone number. PayPal doesn't always require a card linked to the account when paying for something. Although sometimes it requires, it depends on the website. I was doing a PayPal transfer from my own account to another one.

I still have all the transactions in my own account, but without the website names in my bank statement. I have all the statements from my business account, there is the name of every website, amount paid and the amount received from my own PayPal account. So, the website owners didn't know my real name, while they were receiving payments. But I pay with PayPal only for ads, nothing else.

I want to advertise on some other websites now, but they require only card payments. That's why I asked.

Can you please explain to me how do I open a business account with a business name on it? Do you mean I can tell any bank that I'm a self employed, I have a business name and open an account for it but I don't want my own name on the card? Wouldn't there anyway be my own name on the card along with the business name?

I had a business account as being self employed with a business name that was in a cheque book.etc and when i paid someone through the account there end it came up with my full name which i thought it would show just my business name when i spoke to the bank and said how comes my business account is showing as my name to other people. They said even though it might have my business name on letters and cheque book they said it's only limited company where it would full show the business name and as i did have a limited company with a completely different industry to this that always showed up as the name of the company and not my name.

So moral of the story my self employed business sole trader account showed my name to people on there statement their end. So if you are that worried make sure you check this out before sending payments from a business account that is not from a limited company and just sole trader.