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Summer123

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Punter acting as guarantor causing problems
« on: 08 April 2023, 01:16:52 am »
Hi everyone. I rented my apartment using my regular client as guarantor. It was fine in the first two months but now he became quite jealous and obsessive. I want to work anytime I want and I don't want to keep him as my guarantor. Has anyone had a similar experience? Can I request from the estate agent to remove him from being my guarantor? I am also concerned that if I want to end our arrangement he will report me to the estate agent and my landlord
« Last Edit: 08 April 2023, 09:31:14 am by Summer123 »

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Re: Punter acting as guarantor causing problems
« Reply #1 on: 08 April 2023, 09:45:31 am »
Hi everyone. I rented my apartment using my regular client as guarantor. It was fine in the first two months but now he became quite jealous and obsessive. I want to work anytime I want and I don't want to keep him as my guarantor. Has anyone had a similar experience? Can I request from the estate agent to remove him from being my guarantor? I am also concerned that if I want to end our arrangement he will report me to the estate agent and my landlord

Oh gosh that's tricky.

A guarantor doesn't have any legal rights over your apartment - they are purely there that if you cut and run without paying your rent, they have promised to pay unpaid rent and any damage you've left.

If you ask the agent to remove him as a guarantor they will probably want someone else - have you got someone who would do this? That said, I don't even know if an agent would consider this, since the guarantor has entered into a legal contract with the agent (not with you.)

I'd probably get your defence in first and alert the agents that you were in a brief relationship with the guarantor, he has turned very toxic and abusive and called you "a whore" and threatened to ruin your reputation.

Are you face out on any of your advertising? Are any of your pics recognisably in the apartment you're in now? If so, I'd remove all those.
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Re: Punter acting as guarantor causing problems
« Reply #2 on: 08 April 2023, 12:49:26 pm »
Hi everyone. I rented my apartment using my regular client as guarantor. It was fine in the first two months but now he became quite jealous and obsessive. I want to work anytime I want and I don't want to keep him as my guarantor. Has anyone had a similar experience? Can I request from the estate agent to remove him from being my guarantor? I am also concerned that if I want to end our arrangement he will report me to the estate agent and my landlord

It is a tricky and unenviable situation, but given how difficult it is for us (or anyone) to rent a home, I don't blame you for taking him up on the offer.

I don't think you will have any luck asking for him to be removed as guarantor (maybe after the fixed term ends?).
In your case I would bluff him and tell him that fine, if he's not going to treat you with respect, observe the boundaries you agreed on when you moved in, and allow you to live your own life, then you will be leaving post haste.
If he then becomes aggressive or abusive though you will be best off to actually leave - even if you are sofa surfing for a few weeks or similar, your safety is top priority here.

Or you could make him a proposal such as, Oh I notice you have become more attached to me recently and it is confusing the boundaries between us and distracting me from my work... If you would like my undivided attention as your sugar baby, I would love to enter an arrangement with you for (eg) £5,000 cash per month on top of my rent paid... (He likely will say no, but then he kind of has to back off, and on the chance he says yes, you can always take the first payment and get your own place after the month)

If he threatens to out you to landlord/agency, just tell him yes, they will love to know about how he has been controlling prostitution for gain - assuming you work from the apartment!
Because he is doing in some way - even if it's not entirely financial gain - and I'm sure you have some texts etc from him that would not make him look too great  :angel:
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Re: Punter acting as guarantor causing problems
« Reply #3 on: 08 April 2023, 06:09:39 pm »
I've split this from the other thread because posters might want to answer the original OP and it'll get confusing :)

There isn't much info here Summer; when you say 'arrangement', does he get free sex and if so, did you agree terms on this (when, how often and so on)? Has he made any threats to report you? Why can't you work when you want to - how is he stopping you doing this?

I'd find somewhere else tbh, but I know how difficult it is and I'd be inclined to go along with what the others have said. If he wants you at his beck and call at the expense of others, he can pay for it.

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Re: Punter acting as guarantor causing problems
« Reply #4 on: 08 April 2023, 07:47:34 pm »
Hi everyone. I rented my apartment using my regular client as guarantor. It was fine in the first two months but now he became quite jealous and obsessive. I want to work anytime I want and I don't want to keep him as my guarantor. Has anyone had a similar experience? Can I request from the estate agent to remove him from being my guarantor? I am also concerned that if I want to end our arrangement he will report me to the estate agent and my landlord



First thing first, ensure that the actual document he signed is legally binding as a guarantor document.   Little known secret in the real estate world, guarantors do not sign contracts - they must sign a deed of guarantee.  Most people do not know that, but if it ever goes to court, the court will only look at deeds. I would also caution him as to what he reports, as without actual proof he can be in a heap of trouble if he's making malicious allegations.   

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Re: Punter acting as guarantor causing problems
« Reply #5 on: 08 April 2023, 09:38:21 pm »
This won't end well and I know because I did the same and the guy started to mess with me and turned out to be manipulative and i had a scary nightmare time afterwards. I was early in the Escorting and was really desperate to get a flat but hindsight is never a privilege until you learn from a mistake. The important thing is to ask yourself if this arrangement is making you feel anxious or trapped and do you want a man ending up acting like a pimp. Because some men use leverage and the false pretence of being a helpful nice guy when it's a trap to get what they want. Nothing is given for free in this game when it comes to men and for me Escorting gives me the freedom to not rely on a man and to be independent financially and that gives me peace of mind and control and nobody telling me how to run my business.

Always best to trust your gut and get out sooner than later and i doubt you can keep using the flat without this guy kicking off if he feels rejected or it's not under his control. You don't know him or if he's done this before. From my experience these overly involved and kind, Caring and helpful clients will get info on you from innocent conversations, Does he know anything personal? If you have a private home will he know address? I fell into this trap when I was nieve and had to get police involved.

Some guys see new escorts as easy prey and it's sometimes lonely Escorting without support you'd get in other jobs and keeping it hidden.

Have a plan and if you have to get away be prepared to expect this guy might get nasty, PM if you need advice.

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Re: Punter acting as guarantor causing problems
« Reply #6 on: 11 April 2023, 08:12:34 am »
Most guarantor agreements are for 3-6 months or maybe a year, so letting it expire may be an option.

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Re: Punter acting as guarantor causing problems
« Reply #7 on: 11 April 2023, 09:28:56 am »
You can use 'Housing Hand' as a guarantor. They charge a monthly fee, which is very reasonable. Much better than involving a client in your business. One thing I have learnt quickly over the years, you cannot even trust regulars. I hope you manage to sort it x
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Re: Punter acting as guarantor causing problems
« Reply #8 on: 13 April 2023, 04:14:28 pm »
You can use 'Housing Hand' as a guarantor. They charge a monthly fee, which is very reasonable. Much better than involving a client in your business. One thing I have learnt quickly over the years, you cannot even trust regulars. I hope you manage to sort it x

May I ask you how this works? Sounds really interesting and I’ve never heard about it?

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Re: Punter acting as guarantor causing problems
« Reply #9 on: 13 April 2023, 04:19:39 pm »
I'll PM you the details. Xx
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Re: Punter acting as guarantor causing problems
« Reply #10 on: 13 April 2023, 04:41:04 pm »
I'll PM you the details. Xx

Thank you 😊 will be really helpful

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Re: Punter acting as guarantor causing problems
« Reply #11 on: 14 April 2023, 05:06:12 pm »
I’m not sure what the contract says. But if he causes issues and outs you, causing you to leave, as guarantor he’s financially liable for the rest of the rent for that contract. Sure, he can talk you to court but I don’t think a judge will look kindly on him essentially gaining from prostitution . He would also be the one who caused you to leave and so made himself liable.
I’d call his bluff- after reading the contract.