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General Category => Questions and Answers => Topic started by: Roxy101 on 10 June 2010, 09:46:56 pm
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Hey,
Just wondering how many of you do OW. Does it effect the amount of clients you receive? And will an agency take you on if you do OW?
Also, just wondering if you say you do OWO, could you decide to use a condom if the guy's todger is dirty/smells funny/looks like he could have something?
Thanks :D
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I only do oral with, and have absolutely no problems getting clients. I used to do OWO, and refusing it's no different to anything else - all services are at discretion and are provided on the assumption that a client meets basic standards of cleanliness and hygiene and this goes for everything including kissing. I doubt whether it has much to do with whether an agency will take you or not - all agencies are different and they only really want to know how much money they are likely to make out of you in the end. If they don't want you because of that, find one who does.
If you type 'OWO' into the search box on the top right you will find about a zillion threads already discussing this; seriously - I was going to post some links to the main ones and there were so many I gave up. Have a good read and it should help you decide what you want to do :).
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Hi,
I have never offered owo & I never will! It has never effected my bookings and I have found that guys just chance me asking for owo, but rarely have they been that botherd that they have refused to book me. I often found many clients ask if I do ow or owo as they prefer only seeing a escort whom does not ever offer owo.
I respect it is personal choice as long as it is only a personal choice & not that you feel you should to benefit a agency or because of client pressure.
I wish you well with what ever you choose, Harlow x
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Hey,
Also, just wondering if you say you do OWO, could you decide to use a condom if the guy's todger is dirty/smells funny/looks like he could have something?
Thanks :D
In this case I wouldnt be putting my mouth anywhere near with or without a condom. If he is dirty/smells or looks like he has something he would be asked to leave
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I only ever do OW. I did obviously ask myself the same questions as you when I first started but I am so glad I decided not to do OWO. Business is always ticking over very nicely indeed.
Apart from the obvious (very real) health reasons I also asked myself (on the other side of the coin) if I wanted a mouthful of rubber as I'd actually never given a blow job in my personal life with a condom so I wasnt sure what it would be like but its absolutely fine, condoms have been much improved over the years and I don't even notice the smell or taste of them. And even if I did - possible smelly willy or rubber? Its a no brainer!!
There are clients who will specifically look for girls who only do OWO and there are just as many clients who look for girls who only do OW. I have been asked when the action has started whether i'll do it without by about 2 clients but I always say no of course and they have been fine with it. 8)
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I only ever do OW. I did obviously ask myself the same questions as you when I first started but I am so glad I decided not to do OWO. Business is always ticking over very nicely indeed.
Apart from the obvious (very real) health reasons I also asked myself (on the other side of the coin) if I wanted a mouthful of rubber as I'd actually never given a blow job in my personal life with a condom so I wasnt sure what it would be like but its absolutely fine, condoms have been much improved over the years and I don't even notice the smell or taste of them. And even if I did - possible smelly willy or rubber? Its a no brainer!!
There are clients who will specifically look for girls who only do OWO and there are just as many clients who look for girls who only do OW. I have been asked when the action has started whether i'll do it without by about 2 clients but I always say no of course and they have been fine with it. 8)
Ok, I wasnt going to post but I eyed this thread with interest. I do offer owo, but at my discretion. I only now offer this service, after spending ten years as a escort who didnt even kiss, let alone suck a willie unclothed.
I came back to work after a three year break and was horrified by the current market, bb, rimming, owo, etc. etc. But I also noticed something else. Many customers WANT to use a condom. Some do not. Many customers want to kiss, some do not. And so I do the same...I offer the service at my discretion, at a premium, I do it with some, I dont do it with most. It is entirely my call, annd if I was at all unhappy with the hygiene the condom would be out and on before they could say boo. I know I will get replies from ladies who say how could you? Health, hygeine, safety! And I also know that I will strike a silent chord with others who do it and revel in how much easier the booking was.
I am checked monthly, I frequent several 'working girl friendly clinics' and I always ask for mouth swabs. And for those of you still cringing, how many of you have given a unclothed bj to your current squeeze?
*retreats to corner, ready for backlash*
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Lucy, I edited the quoted bit of your post just for clarity :).
I can't imagine why you think there'd be any sort of backlash; the p0int of this site is that we support each other in all doing what we feel comfortable with and the important part as far as I'm concerned is that no one feels pressured by punters, other WGs, agencies or anyone else to offer services they don't want to, whether they be kissing, OWO or bareback. I personally couldn't give a toss what anybody else does, and having spent most of my twenties having largely unprotected sex of every kind with anyone who would stay still long enough, I for one am hardly in a position to get sanctimonious.
I have never advertised anything as 'at discretion', since as far as I am concerned ALL services are exactly that, and the idea that saying I offer a service without adding this phrase means I've foregone my right to refuse is just silly. As long as punters are clear on where the boundaries are, I don't think it matters - people for whom OWO is a dealbreaker just won't book me, and that's fine. That said, what a lady is prepared to do in the process of conducting her business is not something that can be usefully compared to what she engages with a regular partner - the two things are completely different.
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I do OWO but charge ?20 extra for it and If the guy doesnt look clean etc then I always just tell them that I have to do OW today as I have some mouth ulcers which could pick up infections (they always totally believe me and are fine about it).
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Lucy, I edited the quoted bit of your post just for clarity :).
I can't imagine why you think there'd be any sort of backlash; the p0int of this site is that we support each other in all doing what we feel comfortable with and the important part as far as I'm concerned is that no one feels pressured by punters, other WGs, agencies or anyone else to offer services they don't want to, whether they be kissing, OWO or bareback. I personally couldn't give a toss what anybody else does, and having spent most of my twenties having largely unprotected sex of every kind with anyone who would stay still long enough, I for one am hardly in a position to get sanctimonious.
I have never advertised anything as 'at discretion', since as far as I am concerned ALL services are exactly that, and the idea that saying I offer a service without adding this phrase means I've foregone my right to refuse is just silly. As long as punters are clear on where the boundaries are, I don't think it matters - people for whom OWO is a dealbreaker just won't book me, and that's fine. That said, what a lady is prepared to do in the process of conducting her business is not something that can be usefully compared to what she engages with a regular partner - the two things are completely different.
Hear hear. As to the backlash comment, you are correct. I have had a heated dicussion with a fellow escort about this and perhaps it has influenced my post.
:-X
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Ok, I wasnt going to post but I eyed this thread with interest. I do offer owo, but at my discretion. I only now offer this service, after spending ten years as a escort who didnt even kiss, let alone suck a willie unclothed.
I came back to work after a three year break and was horrified by the current market, bb, rimming, owo, etc. etc. But I also noticed something else. Many customers WANT to use a condom. Some do not. Many customers want to kiss, some do not. And so I do the same...I offer the service at my discretion, at a premium, I do it with some, I dont do it with most. It is entirely my call, annd if I was at all unhappy with the hygiene the condom would be out and on before they could say boo. I know I will get replies from ladies who say how could you? Health, hygeine, safety! And I also know that I will strike a silent chord with others who do it and revel in how much easier the booking was.
I am checked monthly, I frequent several 'working girl friendly clinics' and I always ask for mouth swabs. And for those of you still cringing, how many of you have given a unclothed bj to your current squeeze?
*retreats to corner, ready for backlash*
God no I didn't mean to sound judgemental by saying this. When I first started this job I thought I would probably do OWO but I decided not to and I'm just glad I made that decision but I know a lot of lovely ladies who do OWO, in fact of all the girls i've met doing this job I think i'm the only one who does do OW. Its just what we feel comfortable with in ourselves isn't it? Sorry if I sounded uppity. I don't ever turn my nose up at anything anyone offers except BB which i'm sure we all do (turn our noses up I mean!). And like you pointed out and I mentioned in my post, I hadn't even given a covered blow job until I started escorting. Oh the irony. LOL! ;D xx
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I do OWO, but charge ?20 extra as well. I don't want to incude it in my normal rates, since I would rather do OW, but don't have a problem with OWO.
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I used to offer OWO, but after reading a thread on here about something like this a little while ago, I have now decided to only to offer OW. A couple of my regulars have said they are cool with my decision and I recently an enquiry where I told the guy that I no longer offer OWO - he said he would think about it and then called back a few days later making an appointment to see me.
I don't think it will make any difference with regard to the amount of clients that will want to see you.
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Hey, I'm new to escorting but noticed that a lot of girls offer oral without a condom. My concern is that you can contract STIs through this? Isn't like offering intercourse without a condom then? I'm wondering if i should offer oral without as i cant face sucking on a condom tbh.
Help/advice would be appreciated thanks!
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As you might imagine, this has come up before and a search for 'OWO' should find several threads on it.
But in short, yes there's stuff you can catch, but it's either curable (the bacterial ones) or you probably already have it anyway (like the cold sore virus). You'd have to be staggeringly unlucky to get HIV from it (especially if you don't offer CIM).
Ultimately, it doesn't matter what other people choose to do about this issue, it's up to you to make your own decision depending on where you are on the risk-reward / pleasure-danger scales.
Edit: yes, there are lots of threads about this :) See http://www.saafe.info/main/index.php?topic=314.0 and http://www.saafe.info/main/index.php?topic=2570.0 for example.
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My concern is that you can contract STIs through this? Isn't like offering intercourse without a condom then?
Yes and no. You can certainly contract STIs via unprotected oral, but the risk is far, far lower than unprotected vaginal or anal penetration; reverse oral is lower still as is kissing - you could go on forever. The key is deciding what level of risk you are prepared to take and everybody's different - if it would be an absolute disaster for you to catch anything (for example if you had a partner who was unaware of your job, or if your immune system was compromised because of other factors) then it would probably be advisable to err on the side of caution. And all condoms are not the same - deciding not to protect yourself because you don't like the taste of rubber is unnecessary when there are non-latex and flavoured condoms and also flavoured lubes available.
If you type 'OWO' into the Search box (http://www.saafe.info/main/index.php?action=search) you will find about a zillion threads discussing this as well as the article (http://www.saafe.info/wjavascript:void(0);ithorwithout.htm) on the main SAAFE site - the only way to decide is to arm yourself with information. Have a chat with the people at the GUM when you go for your checks too :).
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I have just stopped offering owo and have annoyed quite a few of my regulars, but I don't regret the decision. It is a bit worrying that less people are calling but I am hoping things will pick up soon.
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I do OWO. To be completely honest (and disturbingly graphic), it's because my bj's are relatively crap and need all the help they can get. Sucking willy as part of foreplay, I'm good at. But the full-on bj to completion, I suck at, as it were ::). I've got a trigger happy gag reflex and I get lockjaw after about 30 seconds. This does bother me, and I'm idly contemplating buying one of those ball gag training kits to train my gob to be open better. Feel free to vom at the image of me sat watching Jeremy Kyle whilst wearing one.....
It's so far not come up, but if it looked remotely skanky though, I'd make my excuses. Prob along the lines of dumping a ton of lube on it, then saying it's poisonous or something hahahaha.
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I used to do it at my discretion but tbh found I was always doing it, sometimes felt pressured to do it. A health scare made me decide to stop offering it, took a while for the transition (still felt pressurrd at times) but what really helped. Was a guy who said he specifically picked me because I only offered OW. Most guys presume I do even tho its not on my AW like lust, but I figure if they can't read/don't bother to ask then its their problem. Tbh most guys seem fine with it.
One thing I do find tho is that even with flavoured condoms they do make me gag more than with OWO
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I offer OWO but am very careful with checking beforehand and have read up on the precautions and health risks so if all is not peachy clean down below, I won't go a-head. I've always really enjoyed giving bjs but never kiss on the mouth - is that odd?
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I offer OWO but am very careful with checking beforehand and have read up on the precautions and health risks so if all is not peachy clean down below, I won't go a-head. I've always really enjoyed giving bjs but never kiss on the mouth - is that odd?
Doesn't sound odd to me! After all, a penis (that's disease-free and has just been scrubbed with soap) is actually really clean (bar any oozing pre-seminal fluid) but most people's mouths are full of bacteria. Not to mention that musty post-latte/sandwich smell. Or - horror of horrors! - the post-cigarette smell and taste. And usually a furry tongue cos not many people brush theirs. *sob*
It's not good to brush your teeth right before a booking (risk of tiny abrasions in the gums which could make it easier to catch something during unprotected oral) so there's not much you can do besides encourage clients to use lots of mouthwash. Then you get a mint-flavoured furry tongue stuck in your mouth. :P
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(bar any oozing pre-seminal fluid)
*heaves*
Yep. Sadly you can never tell which cocks will be the worst offenders of this, until you're already intimately close to it...
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I do OWO and have had the misfortune to come across the odd unwashed cock. Well, just the one actually but the taste has never quite left me..
There is also the problem of when they nip to the toilet mid session and the faint aroma of fresh urine pervades the atmosphere..Tricky one, but they are quickly despatched to "try again"..
The worst one I had was a guy who nipped to the bathroom to freshen-up after cumming, then requested more oral. I found out too late that he considered a quick wipe with toilet tissue would suffice and was spitting out semen soaked pink loo roll for the duration :P
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Hi ladies try using Ann summers flavoured * o'gel * I use them all the time for OW , toffee apple is divine and raspberry too, this tastes lovely on cock! they have samples on display to taste ... try some. it helps to disguise a multitude of sins!!!!!
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I never ever ever do OWO. I am a health freak hypocondriac. Lol. Even if a guy was totally fresh from the shower and STD free I couldn't take him uncovered in my mouth. Just the thought of his slimy pre cum going in and down my throat makes me gag. Uggghh. I even keep tissues by my bed at home for my fiances cock (he's a heavy pre cumer or slimy dick as I call him Lol). If I wasn't such a frigit about this I would offer OWO as I think girls who offer it get more work. I have guys who see me as I don't offer OWO and they feel reassured they're with a clean STD free woman but I think my duo partner back in N.I gets more work as she kisses, does OWO, bareback at discretion, Anal and Anal bareback. Natalie Xx
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Flavoured lubricant really helps with the taste :) I always use it, and won't work unless I have some...
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I offer both ow and owo, for my own personal reasons I do prefer owo, though for safety reasons, ow.
I go for routine check ups, and am very good about my sexual health, what I do not like is when a possible client makers its clear, ow is a deal breaker, makes me think "okay..don't see me then".
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I prefer OWO as the teat of a condom makes me gag. But you have to be freshly washed/showered and obviously I check for anything untoward. Leaky bits - urgh, I rubber up. Fortunately I've been lucky with most of my clients :)
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Ow for me, that's my partners privilege only. But I kiss.... Go figure
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I only like to do Ow, but the majority of clients try to make me of OWO. It makes me really angry when they pressure you for more than one hour. would it be reasonable to walk out? i feel like screaming at them.
i'm twenty years old but i do stand up for myself.
after a long shift of outcall work, after four or five guys pressuring you, i hate to say it but i give it.
any advice? i know it sounds pathetic but its true.
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Don't let them pressurize you into doing anything your not comfortable with. There is another thread about this but there are some excuses you can use if people get to pushy. " I've got a small mouth ulcer" you no something small and silly that wouldn't affect you or them in any ways but you can say if you get pre-cum on a ulcer you could transfers STDs STIs some of the girls on here will give you some one liners.
But do NOT ever do anything you are not comfortable with, I have threatened to leave when pressurise and I have just said well I shall go then. You've already got there money what are they going to do? Enjoy the time of get a half service. They will carry on the appointment no probes.
I don't offer OWO, I hate the taste the stickness and I am a health freak when it comes to STD's. I don't want to sound like I am mothering or saying OWO is bad cause everyone should do what they are comfortable with.
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I do offer both OW and OWO but the latter is only at my own discretion.
The clients have to be clean, sometimes I insist the clients shower before hand (sometimes me joining them is an incentive.) ;D
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I've had a few clients calling me & asking if i do oral covered. "
Yes of course"
I say & their response is
"good i don't want to see anyone that does it uncovered. "
I think they are stupid though, because they dont know what I do in my personl life! I always argue that
if they are covered they wont catch anything anyway so it makes no difference if a girl offers owo to other clients....(I'm baffled by the stupidity of men everyday)
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I've found in the run up to Xmas more guys ASSUMED (despite it not being on my profile) that I offer OWO.
Today I had a 2 hr booking with a very nice guy.......got to the point where he was expecting.........guess what OWO. He seemed fine when I said I didn't do it, but I swear it seemed to turn him off a bit (not immediately). He'd explained he normally 'comes quickly' then waits for a build up hence the longer booking. So 10 mins or so after the NON OWO he went to the bathroom and said he was leaving (been here less than an hour)
Of course I asked if everything was alright and he said yes but I felt bad somehow....that he hadn't come or something because of me (tell me I'm being dumb please!)
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I've found in the run up to Xmas more guys ASSUMED (despite it not being on my profile) that I offer OWO.
Today I had a 2 hr booking with a very nice guy.......got to the point where he was expecting.........guess what OWO. He seemed fine when I said I didn't do it, but I swear it seemed to turn him off a bit (not immediately). He'd explained he normally 'comes quickly' then waits for a build up hence the longer booking. So 10 mins or so after the NON OWO he went to the bathroom and said he was leaving (been here less than an hour)
Of course I asked if everything was alright and he said yes but I felt bad somehow....that he hadn't come or something because of me (tell me I'm being dumb please!)
I wouldn't worry about him tbh. I had something similar in that I had a very lovely guy come see me, through an agency, expecting me to do CIM! I have never ever offered CIM and had he asked my agency they would have told him the same. Still, he was so disappointed after finding out (mid-way through the booking) that he left. I'd rather not see a client then one who demanded I do services which I don't do.
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Yes - I'm sure this has been said up-thread but it's always worth repeating anyhow: It's really up to the client to check a prossie's services (on her site if they're listed there and/or on the phone if he wants to be really certain) *before* booking. We make it so easy for them to find out if we do what they like, there's really no excuse to be 'confused' about whether they can do CIM or whatever! And if it somehow is an honest mistake (maybe they misread 'OW' as 'OWO' when scanning a page?) then fair enough, they can leave and they shouldn't have to pay for time they didn't spend. Better for all parties if they double-check their most important services before booking, though! There's nothing an escort can do - she offers what she offers, and as long as she's honest and up-front about it (as any sane woman would be, although I know there are plenty of scammers out there), it's the client's responsibility to know whether or not he wants to book.
And on the small chance that he's the type who thinks he'll just come along anyway and 'gently persuade' you to do CIM by jizzing in your mouth with no warning...? Then he's the type that you'd be glad to see the back of before you have to deal with any of his foul-tasting seminal fluids, so it's good if he leaves halfway! If you think of it that way, it's a blessing that your guy toddled off when he did. ;D
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It kinda made me think that the majority of girls DO offer OWO and the minority don't. He wasn't in any way unpleasant about it. However when I asked on the phone prior to the appointment, was he happy with all the services I offered, he said Yes, he'd read my profile thoroughly!
He was getting it pretty near my mouth when I had to explain...
So thanks ladies - I guess I knew really it was UP to the client to check, especially on this particular service! But I just needed to hear it from someone else.
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Grrr grrr and double grrrr I am fuming. A guy booked me today for half an hour, I was going to quit for the day but as he'd tried to see me a few times before I thought.......ok,
So first of all (it is relevent honestly!) he can't follow my really simple directions, my dander was already a little up. Then he arrives and asks for a quickie........I say I don't do quickies so he pays for the half hour.
All well and good you might think but no........he then asks if I do OWO/CIM. I say no I don't its clear from my profile. He then says a few times. I saw it on there.......I say no I havent done it for a good few months, you must have mistaken me with someone else.
He moans that was all he wanted he didn't even want full sex.
I was busy trying to hold my temper.....he then backed out of the booking, I saw no option but to give him his money back. He tried to apologise saying it was a genuine mistake, I had thought because he'd tried to book me a few times that he would have read my profle but as he thought I offered both quickies and OWO obvoiusly not.
I could barely be civil. I did tell him before leaving to read profiles properly, I thought I was really restrained!
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I've always done owo but I'm stopping it now. I do think though that most guys want and expect it and its like an inclusive standard with agys.
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I've not officially started working as an escort yet - I'm gearing up to get started properly in the next few weeks, as Im only on select-an-escort ATM...
Id considered offering OWO, as it seemed to be popular, but the more I think about it, the more it makes me cringe (and the less I care about whether or not it's a popular option)!
Most likely, I'll just offer OW, since I don't think the risk of Infections is worth it, however small the risk - I'm sure I can get used to OW by using nice tasting condoms and lube...
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I started off doing OWO but around 4 months ago I stopped. I just figured the small risk of infection wasn't worth it, its all very well to inspect a willy but people can harbour STIs without it being obvious. My guys still love my oral, which is good.
Well the ones that do read my profile anyway! Which is the majority thank god, or if they haven't bothered to they usually give in to OW with good grace, its just the odd guy like the one above that winds me up.
Tbh I don't think that the level my bookings changed since I stopped offering it - there are plenty of guys for whom its not the be all and end all.
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I have always done OW - I started off in Australia 10 years ago, and at the time very few girls did OWO. However, after a 7 year break and returning back to the UK, things seem to be the opposite way round.
I do a mix of agency and indie work, and while I find that indie bookings are fine as guys can see this on my profile, I seem to be losing loads of agency bookings. The agency ask me to ring the guy who is thinking of booking me for a quick chat, and most of the time they will directly ask if I do OWO. I'm always honest, but as soon as I hear them ask this question, I know there is a good chance I have already lost the booking. I tell them that I use very thin condoms for OW and that it will make the experience last a bit longer, but I'm annoyed that the agency don"t tell them this before they pass a potential booking on to me.
I would hate to cave in to doing OWO as I don't fancy the (admittedly small) chance of getting the clap in the back of my throat, and I can't stand the taste of pre-cum, and some guys seem to produce loads of it. Would it be dishonest to say I offer it at my discretion and then try and get out of it i.e. bleeding gums excuse, or 'suck it and see' and hope that work picks up whilst sticking to my guns? I suspect I'd be a lot busier giving OWO, but being new after such a long break can take a while to get established again. Also, I say I offer a GFE, do guys automatically assume that OWO is included in this service?
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Never be pressured to do anything you don't want to do or think you've got to do something just because other femmes do. Always remember the slogan - health before wealth - no matter how small the risks.
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Would it be dishonest to say I offer it at my discretion and then try and get out of it i.e. bleeding gums excuse, or 'suck it and see' and hope that work picks up whilst sticking to my guns? I suspect I'd be a lot busier giving OWO, but being new after such a long break can take a while to get established again. Also, I say I offer a GFE, do guys automatically assume that OWO is included in this service?
Yes, it would. If you were paying for an expensive service and a particular aspect of that service was important to you, you wouldn't be best pleased at being taken for a fool like this, would you? It's behaviour like this that gets us all tarred with the same brush, although if you're not bothered about repeat business it's up to you.
GFE is nothing to do with ticking off a list of services X, Y and Z and far more to do with the way you behave and treat your clients - I don't do OWO and I've never had any complaints about my (completely GFE) service being lacking in any way. As Lady Lust says, doing something you're not happy with because you think punters will like it is pointless - apart from anything else, they're not stupid and if you're obviously hating every second it will affect your business far more than just being firm about not doing OWO in the first place.
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I offer OWO. When I just started agency I refused to do OW and it did affect my bookings. If I was indi I dont think I would offer OWO xx
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I have always done OW.... and never found it to be a real problem... Get asked at times .."would you do it for a bit more money" ...
Years ago when I started working.. you didnt really hear of girls offering OWO but that has changed now... and i see some girls on AW offering Bare back.. Whats that about :(
I remember doing my first Duo many years ago with a girl who was really new to Escorting... we were massaging the guy and he said to the other girl... I would like some oral now please.. SO off she went to that end while i carried on pushing my titties in his face... after a few mins, i could see she was still fiddling around down that end, but no oral going on... So I turned round to see if she was ok and she was trying to put a condom on him.. I said here I will help... when I looked he had one on already, she told me she was only going to suck him with 2 condoms for health and safety reasons... I nearly fell off the bed laughing.... moment was sort of lost.. poor punter :-X
Dont ever feel pressured into doing a service your not comfortable with..
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When I first started 10+ years ago I used to offer OWO because I felt it was more natural and I wasn?t really aware of OW. But after a few years a client had a health scare (and suggested it was from unprotected oral with me ? I was tested clear though) and this made me think more about it. Then I got a serious BF and decided I couldn?t take the risk of passing an infection onto him so decided to only offer OW. I was worried my bookings would decrease but it hasn?t made a difference; for all those men who only want OWO there are as many who only book ladies who are strictly OW. Swings and roundabouts, so go with what you?re happy with is my attitude. I?m really happy not offering OWO as there?s always a barrier between me and my clients? leaky or stinky cocks, and I?m far more relaxed giving oral now.
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I've always offered OWO as I've only been in the biz 2 and a half years since I was 18 and it seemed the norm, I dont mind doing it when the guys cock is clean etc however if it isnt or he is to puby I'll avoid doing it and shove a condom on whilst making up an excuse
however recently I've taken it off my Enjoys list and replaced it with covered, I havnt seen a difference in bookings (not enough to affect me or for me to notice, anyway) and I've done it mainly for the health reasons
Working in my first parlour the receptionist was a 40 odd year old ex working girl and she would tell me how apparently 20 years ago a punter would be expected to pay extra for kissing (Or in her actual words- '20 years ago you didnt kiss a fucking punter!!!' ;D) but now they just expect it included and generally expect most services (inc OWO), she said this was because of the influx of migrant workers who would offer these services, causing other girls to follow suit as to get business
I see this myself on AW with a lot of girls often claiming to be east european popping up offering every service under the sun inc BB often for as little as ?80ph sometimes even less!
this is fine by me as its up to them what they charge etc but I do feel it changes the dynamics for other girls who dont want to risk their health for such little money
I feel weird thinking about my days in other parlours now where I was expected to give full service inc kissing and owo for just ?30 in my pocket per half hour customer, girls wernt even allowed to charge extra and the fact it was inc in price made it very hard for girls not offering OWO to get work
makes me think is it really worth risking your health for that much? and this is a well known parlour in my area that is run good with nice facilities
I would say I prefer OWO with clients than kissing which for the most part I dont really like, yet this is the service I find clients expect the most and Ive often got the impression a lot of clients dont want to see WGs that dont kiss
I found the demand for kissing odd when i first started as I generally believed it was sex the clients were after and not some kind of romantic experience, I have to admit I find it nauseating kissing some clients and it just feels extremely weird and wrong to me (although I cant say this is the case 100% of the time, it really depends on the client) as it really is something I only like to do with someone I fancy and, these days with my man, love
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Everyone has different boundaries, and while yes, norms have changed over time, people still get work offering different things.
If kissing (presumably 'French kissing') is affecting you like that, untick it as a like on AW. You'll be happier and it may well show in terms of what the client experiences.
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Everyone has different boundaries, and while yes, norms have changed over time, people still get work offering different things.
If kissing (presumably 'French kissing') is affecting you like that, untick it as a like on AW. You'll be happier and it may well show in terms of what the client experiences.
i have it at discretion on aw but may remove it, i do kiss clients but as I said dont enjoy it all the time, however if I really dont like it I do tell the client no
i dont put up with anything I dont like from clients, thanks for the advice :)
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I feel really uncomfortable with OWO, I know the risk is low for hiv. But I know a few guys who claim that's how they caught it. Personally, I see it as Russian roulette. There only so many times you can be lucky... In my private life, I done owo all the time (so many times) and still clean but I have had some scares and see the stigma attached to it. I am thinking of using sagami condoms for oral, apparently they are so thin, it the closest thing to barebacking. I had a friend who passed away from HIV and it's my life over money. When I do get up and running, if I find I can't get customers returning because of that, guess I will have to be broke. Just nice to have piece of mind.
BTW, each to the own, I have respect for people who do OWO. Just I have personal issues. Plus, for ladies, Hiv is much less in the heterosexual community.
As for your friend, she need to make her own mind up, what she chooses to do with the infomation is up to her! There many disease out there and it not impossible to get them. Those are the odds.
Anyone here tried Japanese super thin condoms for oral?
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Do those who give oral without not worry?. I didn't worry too much as the risk is miminal the doctor explained compared to vigina penetration. But after my phone rang he started saying if he can't cum in 30 minutes so not sure blah blah. I replied with well he would be the first. Unless he had a medical condition. He then said what if he had aids. Omg.!! I said sorry as thought misheard then he hung up. Now putting this into perspective would you say that I am being naive working giving oral without?. I worry a lot about most things anyway as panic about everything.
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Well as we really don't know what many diseases "look like" barring the obvious of course, I am not willing to put my health and life at risk but others are.
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I wouldn't do it, I was readying a gay mens magazine in the clinic waiting room today (well there wasn't a Cosmo !) and it said that the risk of getting HIV/AIDS from oral was 3% but you need to take into account how more often people would like oral etc...
Um also I got chlamydia from my first boyfriend from oral.. no symptoms.. awful thing !!
Try to stay safe :)
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I wouldn't do it, I was readying a gay mens magazine in the clinic waiting room today (well there wasn't a Cosmo !) and it said that the risk of getting HIV/AIDS from oral was 3% but you need to take into account how more often people would like oral etc...
Um also I got chlamydia from my first boyfriend from oral.. no symptoms.. awful thing !!
Try to stay safe :)
I didn't look at it like that, but yeah know that the 3% risk must be increased to a higher risk after 200+ clients. I actually felt good giving oral with in my last booking. As I give with or without depending clients wishes.
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The risk is supposed to be minimal but it's still there, so up to each individual how they chose to proceed. It's not just HIV a dose of chlamydia or gonorrhea isn't going to make a very good day or week for most people, let alone your business.
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I would have thought that if only offered oral without that business would be very dead?. Only because many ask if do oral without. Are there ladies who are kept busy offering oral without only?.
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I was reading a gay mens magazine in the clinic waiting room today (..) and it said that the risk of getting HIV/AIDS from oral was 3% but you need to take into account how more often people would like oral etc...
Oral is the almost universal sex act between men, so the HIV risks for oral have been studied for ages. Ghod knows where they got 3% figure from - that's the top end for being on the receiving end of bareback anal with an HIV+ man.
For oral, the top end estimate is 0.04% (4 in 10,000) per CIM with an HIV+ man. Personally, I think that this is an over estimate - the study it came from made some assumptions I think are wrong - and there's evidence saying the risk is somewhere between nil and almost nil.
If you do OWO but not CIM, the HIV risk is nil.
There are other things you can catch. Whether or not you do OWO depends on how you balance the risks and rewards: personal, professional and medical. There are loads of threads about it here, because it is one of the classic 'some people do, some people don't, it's totally up to you' issues. If you do it, make sure you let the clinic know so they include throat swabs.
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I would have thought that if only offered oral without that business would be very dead?. Only because many ask if do oral without. Are there ladies who are kept busy offering oral without only?.
There's a market of men who want OWO. There's a market of men who want OW. There's a bigger market of men who don't care either way.
A search will find some examples, including people like Amy who have gone from OWO to OW without noticeably losing client numbers as a result.
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Wow. Thanks to xw5 for that super info!
One thing not mentioned though is how much difference swallow/not swallow would make?
I offer owo... and do worry about it a lot. I always prefer to use a condom though and only do without if client specially requests. I only do it so as not to lose business from those who only want without.
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I would have thought that if only offered oral without that business would be very dead?. Only because many ask if do oral without. Are there ladies who are kept busy offering oral without only?.
There's a market of men who want OWO. There's a market of men who want OW. There's a bigger market of men who don't care either way.
A search will find some examples, including people like Amy who have gone from OWO to OW without noticeably losing client numbers as a result.
I would have thought that CIM only as I empty after is a low risk compared to swallowing. Am I wrong in thinking this way?.
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I would have thought that if only offered oral without that business would be very dead?. Only because many ask if do oral without. Are there ladies who are kept busy offering oral without only?.
There's a market of men who want OWO. There's a market of men who want OW. There's a bigger market of men who don't care either way.
A search will find some examples, including people like Amy who have gone from OWO to OW without noticeably losing client numbers as a result.
I would have thought that CIM only as I empty after is a low risk compared to swallowing. Am I wrong in thinking this way?.
I was under the impression stomach acid is a great defence, whereas holding it in the mouth against delicate mouth membranes whilst finding a suitable recepticle would result in higher risk.
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Just make sure you have no cuts, ulcers in your mouth... Apparently don't use mouthwash before or just after as saliva has protective qualities to prevent hiv.... and use should be fine. But if you some how have other std in you mouth, it can piggyback so it's tricky
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I would have thought that if only offered oral without that business would be very dead?. Only because many ask if do oral without. Are there ladies who are kept busy offering oral without only?.
There's a market of men who want OWO. There's a market of men who want OW. There's a bigger market of men who don't care either way.
A search will find some examples, including people like Amy who have gone from OWO to OW without noticeably losing client numbers as a result.
I would have thought that CIM only as I empty after is a low risk compared to swallowing. Am I wrong in thinking this way?.
I was under the impression stomach acid is a great defence, whereas holding it in the mouth against delicate mouth membranes whilst finding a suitable recepticle would result in higher risk.
I have heard the same, and always swallow it straight down. It takes a bit of practice to get it right though.
Also, I should say that I always check a new client out thoroughly from a visual point of view before agreeing to do it.
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Just wondering..........
I know a number of girls over the past couple of years who offer OWO because they feel they HAVE TO, to increase they're work load or to stay busy but don't actually like doing it, one of the girls I know gets her self in such a state over it, she tries every trick in the book to avoid it in person rather than just stop doing it.
I just wonder because of how many unhygienic I get that walk through the door, no amount of baby wipes would sort the problem and some of them after I have sent them in the shower come out just as smelly. I had a guy last week on tour who's bum stunk out my whole room, it was making me feel sick. He went for a shower afterwards but literally dipped in and out of the shower so he never actually washed anything, I think he only went in to get the fresh coat of sweat off him.
So although the thought of catching and STI is a worry for me so much so that I'd never offer it, the bad hygiene worrys me a lot more as theres far more risk of an unhygienic cock than a diseased one.
Don't get me wrong I have lots of lovely smelling clients who I know are clean down there but even still its not something I would offer to anyone unless it was my boyfriend in real life.
I know condoms taste horrible too but at least I know I am protected and so is my client.
So my question is do you ladies actually enjoy giving OWO to everyone or do you offer it cause you worry your work load may slow down?
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There are so many threads already about OWO! Here is just one of them:
http://www.saafe.info/main/index.php?topic=2873.msg101567#msg101567
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I offer OWO as doing OW makes me gag I dunno why iv tried to get used to it but nope..
I get mouth swabs etc on a regular basis but its still abit worrying.
Luckily for me iv never in my whole three years of escorting had a smelly guy lol and if I did id tell him straight that before we go any further you will need to wash it :)
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PP. as Nameless has said this has really been done to death - there's even a separate thread called something like Smelly Willies in B&B which is about the same sort of thing. You're not going to catch anything from somebody just because they haven't had a wash and it's just unpleasant, although I'd say it's definitely grounds to refuse putting your face anywhere near it until it's clean. If they won't wash properly I think you need to actually get in with them and do it, or get used to politely explaining why you're bringing the booking to an end early :).
The thought of having multiple random strangers precum in my mouth over the course of a day makes me gag far more than a condom teat (although it did take me about a month to get used to it, the result being I now have virtually no gag reflex, which is top :D). In fact just typing that sentence didn't do a bad job on it's own :-X.
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Aha my bad, sorry ladies for covering old grounds.
Yeah I know you wont catch anything from a dirty willy other than a mouth full of rotten bacteria but jeez I would gag, gag and gag even more and also gag at the pre cum.
But the thread wasn't really about diseases as such, it was more to do with girls offering the service cause they genuinely want to or cause they feel they have to.
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But the thread wasn't really about diseases as such, it was more to do with girls offering the service cause they genuinely want to or cause they feel they have to.
Well I do agree about that - from the occasional conversations I've had about it with other ladies, the one standout service people were doing which they'd rather not be was OWO (rather than anything more niche-y like anal, which you might expect) purely out of concern for losing business.
I've got pretty limited sympathy for somebody who moans about doing something they don't want to at work when (unlike many others) they have the choice, reasons and opportunity not to do it and still keep their job. I would imagine if somebody is that uncomfortable with a service it's going to show to the punter too, which is one of the many reasons I stopped offering it :).
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I'm the weirdo who prefers owo. none of the guys I have seen have been smelly and I really enjoy it. Granted I am outcall only so I may only see 1 or 2 people a day but I have always enjoyed giving blowjobs.
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Well so have I, just as I've always preferred having every other sort of sex without a condom. That doesn't mean I want to do it with punters :).
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Well so have I, just as I've always preferred having every other sort of sex without a condom. That doesn't mean I want to do it with punters :).
Ditto, and strangely enough giving OW doesn't mean a blowjob is not enjoyed by both parties. I enjoy giving them far more than when I started and gave OWO because I feel that bit more in control of my sexual health. My clients enjoy it and feel reassured by the fact I insist on protection for all services. So its win win all round for me.
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I was reading forum for punters and they were saying that basics which they expect from escort is fk and owo. I'm just wondering if I'm gonna lose many customers when I won't advertise owo?
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I'm the weirdo who prefers owo. none of the guys I have seen have been smelly and I really enjoy it. Granted I am outcall only so I may only see 1 or 2 people a day but I have always enjoyed giving blowjobs.
I really enjoy giving blowjobs too but I much prefer the unprotected stuff with someone I know, trust, am attracted to and have feelings for.
For work I would rather just keep myself and my clients healthy, save my sanity of doing something I am not comfortable with and be genuinely happy in my job.
As I said I have spoke to many escorts who only do the service because they feel they have to but actually despise doing it which I think in the long run will only affect you mentally.
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I was reading forum for punters and they were saying that basics which they expect from escort is fk and owo. I'm just wondering if I'm gonna lose many customers when I won't advertise owo?
Yes defo, most clients want/expect those services but lots of ladies don't kiss and lots don't do OWO same as lots don't do anal or watersports. There are that many escorts in the UK/World that if clients expect a particular service that isn't available with the girl they like the look of, they will just have to move on to someone who does offer it.
I find that because I don't do OWO, I run into all sorts of problems with men "expecting" a service I don't offer or advertise which really gets on my tits lol. They should never expect anything, they should always check first to see what is/isn't available.
I agree from the clients point of view that OWO feels a lot better than OW but again its not something that escorts should be "expected" to do, its our choice.
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I'm the weirdo who prefers owo. none of the guys I have seen have been smelly and I really enjoy it.
I'm the same. I offer OWO because I prefer it. I'm aware of the risk factor, but for me it's negligible. At the end of the day *everything* in life carries some level of risk. It all boils down to deciding which risks you're happy or not happy to take. I've never caught anything and I have checkups every 6-8 weeks. I don't offer anything just because I think it will get me more business, I feel if you start thinking that way, you're on a slippery slope. I base my choices entirely on what I'm happy and comfortable doing.
I do think my decision - to offer OWO - may actually cost me a few bookings from guys who feel it's unsafe and would prefer to see somebody who doesn't offer it. At the same time though, I'll gain other bookings from men to whom OWO is essential. So I'm not convinced with the argument that most girls only do OWO because they're worried it'll cost them business.
As for smelly clients, I think if you're assertive, it's not an issue. I've not met one client yet who has been horrendous when it comes to personal hygiene. Of course, I've had the odd guy turn up after a long day at work with a bit of an odour but as all my guys have a shower before we get down to business, it's never been a problem.
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I was reading forum for punters and they were saying that basics which they expect from escort is fk and owo. I'm just wondering if I'm gonna lose many customers when I won't advertise owo?
The easy way round this is not to read forums for punters. And if you haven't started yet, you're not going to lose customers because you don't yet have any customers, which means you just advertise what you do and don't offer clearly and the customers who want those things will find you :).
What will lose punters is a miserable, uncomfortable-looking prossie who's clearly hating every second, and repeat business is far and away the best way to keep a steady income coming in, and being relaxed, friendly and above all enthusiastic means a lot more to most than ticking services off a list.
Yes defo, most clients want/expect those services but lots of ladies don't kiss and lots don't do OWO same as lots don't do anal or watersports. There are that many escorts in the UK/World that if clients expect a particular service that isn't available with the girl they like the look of, they will just have to move on to someone who does offer it.
I find that because I don't do OWO, I run into all sorts of problems with men "expecting" a service I don't offer or advertise which really gets on my tits lol. They should never expect anything, they should always check first to see what is/isn't available.
I agree from the clients point of view that OWO feels a lot better than OW but again its not something that escorts should be "expected" to do, its our choice.
See, I never get this ???
I don't believe I have ever had any sort of a problem bar a couple of punters who hadn't read my ad and weren't sure so they asked, so even they weren't a problem as such and I've definitely never had anybody 'expect' any service I don't offer. I do think location comes into it a bit, but mostly I'm guessing that punters sense when somebody feels vulnerable or stressed and that's when they try to push their luck.
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I was reading forum for punters and they were saying that basics which they expect from escort is fk and owo. I'm just wondering if I'm gonna lose many customers when I won't advertise owo?
Yes defo, most clients want/expect those services but lots of ladies don't kiss and lots don't do OWO same as lots don't do anal or watersports. There are that many escorts in the UK/World that if clients expect a particular service that isn't available with the girl they like the look of, they will just have to move on to someone who does offer it.
I find that because I don't do OWO, I run into all sorts of problems with men "expecting" a service I don't offer or advertise which really gets on my tits lol. They should never expect anything, they should always check first to see what is/isn't available.
I agree from the clients point of view that OWO feels a lot better than OW but again its not something that escorts should be "expected" to do, its our choice.
I have very rarely come accross problems with my clients regarding OWO, my view is, if they don't read my profile (I have it in black and white that I offer all services protected, not just in the 'likes' section') and are expecting it, then tough shit.
As for punter forums I couldn't give two hoots about what is said on them. Only a tiny minority of clients join them, and only a small percentage of them post regularly . So I wouldn't judge general opinion of OWO by whats said there.
If a client is obsessed by OWO he will go for an escort that provides it, if he wants to see a particular escort he won't care about whether she provides OWO. Clients I see don't just go by a tick box of services but want to see me for the whole experience which I provide, which suits me just fine ;D
Edit: oops post crossed with Amy's again!
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See, I never get this ???
I don't believe I have ever had any sort of a problem bar a couple of punters who hadn't read my ad and weren't sure so they asked, so even they weren't a problem as such and I've definitely never had anybody 'expect' any service I don't offer. I do think location comes into it a bit, but mostly I'm guessing that punters sense when somebody feels vulnerable or stressed and that's when they try to push their luck.
Me neither. I had one guy a few months back asking if I would do CIM (that's a big no-no for me) if he paid extra. That was said in the heat of the moment and I think he just carried away. He was polite enough about it and I didn't get the impression he was trying to push his luck or being disrespectful. I just politely declined and carried on with the booking.
The way you present yourself in your marketing plays a major part in the type of clients you attract. If you don't want to attract the boundary pushers, you need to make sure you come across as assertive and in control in your style of writing and words you choose. But always in a nice way of course. :)
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So I'm not convinced with the argument that most girls only do OWO because they're worried it'll cost them business.
I think the operative part of the sentence is 'they're worried that...' - just because you worry about something happening doesn't mean it actually will, but if you've only ever done OWO with punters and very few have asked for OW it would be reasonable to assume that most of those punters wanted it, whereas if you only see punters who want OW or aren't bothered, your view would be skewed in the other direction.
Either way, I agree that only offering what you're comfortable with is the way to go. And smelly is unacceptable whichever one you pick :).
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I was reading forum for punters and they were saying that basics which they expect from escort is fk and owo. I'm just wondering if I'm gonna lose many customers when I won't advertise owo?
The easy way round this is not to read forums for punters. And if you haven't started yet, you're not going to lose customers because you don't yet have any customers, which means you just advertise what you do and don't offer clearly and the customers who want those things will find you :).
What will lose punters is a miserable, uncomfortable-looking prossie who's clearly hating every second, and repeat business is far and away the best way to keep a steady income coming in, and being relaxed, friendly and above all enthusiastic means a lot more to most than ticking services off a list.
Yes defo, most clients want/expect those services but lots of ladies don't kiss and lots don't do OWO same as lots don't do anal or watersports. There are that many escorts in the UK/World that if clients expect a particular service that isn't available with the girl they like the look of, they will just have to move on to someone who does offer it.
I find that because I don't do OWO, I run into all sorts of problems with men "expecting" a service I don't offer or advertise which really gets on my tits lol. They should never expect anything, they should always check first to see what is/isn't available.
I agree from the clients point of view that OWO feels a lot better than OW but again its not something that escorts should be "expected" to do, its our choice.
See, I never get this ???
I don't believe I have ever had any sort of a problem bar a couple of punters who hadn't read my ad and weren't sure so they asked, so even they weren't a problem as such and I've definitely never had anybody 'expect' any service I don't offer. I do think location comes into it a bit, but mostly I'm guessing that punters sense when somebody feels vulnerable or stressed and that's when they try to push their luck.
Feck Amy I think I just attract them :(
Actually I think we've had this conversation before or something similar.
I find that because I don't have a big service list, it means I don't cater for as many men as a lady with loads on her list does so therefor when I refuse to see a client cause he's came on the phone or emailed me asking for x, y & z they think that I have a bad attitude because they have never been refused an appointment before when infact its nothing to do with my attitude, I only want to see men who are happy with what I offer and who respect what I offer. They don't realise that aswell as saving my own sanity I am trying to save them they're time and money. They usually take offence and start calling me all sorts of names.
What may be a perfectly acceptable, genuine client to one girl wont be for the next. For example a guy recently sent me an email wanting to spit roast me with his mate (I don't do 2 guys at once nevermind that sort of service) and he actually had plenty of positive feedback where the girls comments are saying things like.........2 cock's at once, you don't know what your missing girls etc. So the likes of that client is probably of no problem to a girl who's happy to do that where as I find an email asking me to take 2 cocks at once when I clearly don't do that quite offensive so when I ignore them or tell them no thanks, it turns into a slagging match.
On the odd occasion one has slipped through the net and actually got as far as my apartment before asking for services I clearly don't do, it makes the whole thing so awkward and HORRIBLE!!
I do defo attract arseholes in civvie life and prossie life.
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See, I never get this ???
I don't believe I have ever had any sort of a problem bar a couple of punters who hadn't read my ad and weren't sure so they asked, so even they weren't a problem as such and I've definitely never had anybody 'expect' any service I don't offer. I do think location comes into it a bit, but mostly I'm guessing that punters sense when somebody feels vulnerable or stressed and that's when they try to push their luck.
Me neither. I had one guy a few months back asking if I would do CIM (that's a big no-no for me) if he paid extra. That was said in the heat of the moment and I think he just carried away. He was polite enough about it and I didn't get the impression he was trying to push his luck or being disrespectful. I just politely declined and carried on with the booking.
The way you present yourself in your marketing plays a major part in the type of clients you attract. If you don't want to attract the boundary pushers, you need to make sure you come across as assertive and in control in your style of writing and words you choose. But always in a nice way of course. :)
My profile definitely is assertive and I don't have any dirty talk or any dirty pics, have made everything very clear and have a small but honest service list so when some ask me for totally outrageous things I just wonder WTF makes you think I'd be ok with that?
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So I'm not convinced with the argument that most girls only do OWO because they're worried it'll cost them business.
I think the operative part of the sentence is 'they're worried that...' - just because you worry about something happening doesn't mean it actually will, but if you've only ever done OWO with punters and very few have asked for OW it would be reasonable to assume that most of those punters wanted it, whereas if you only see punters who want OW or aren't bothered, your view would be skewed in the other direction.
Either way, I agree that only offering what you're comfortable with is the way to go. And smelly is unacceptable whichever one you pick :).
Yes I agree, I can only base my opinions on my own personal experience. However I wrote that sentence in response to certain comments which suggested that very few women would do OWO out of choice and that more likely, most are only doing it to please customers or attract more business. My point being that's not always the case and if anybody is actually only doing OWO (or any other service for that matter) to please others, it might still go against you in some respects. I hope that makes sense?
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See, I never get this ???
I don't believe I have ever had any sort of a problem bar a couple of punters who hadn't read my ad and weren't sure so they asked, so even they weren't a problem as such and I've definitely never had anybody 'expect' any service I don't offer. I do think location comes into it a bit, but mostly I'm guessing that punters sense when somebody feels vulnerable or stressed and that's when they try to push their luck.
Me neither. I had one guy a few months back asking if I would do CIM (that's a big no-no for me) if he paid extra. That was said in the heat of the moment and I think he just carried away. He was polite enough about it and I didn't get the impression he was trying to push his luck or being disrespectful. I just politely declined and carried on with the booking.
The way you present yourself in your marketing plays a major part in the type of clients you attract. If you don't want to attract the boundary pushers, you need to make sure you come across as assertive and in control in your style of writing and words you choose. But always in a nice way of course. :)
My profile definitely is assertive and I don't have any dirty talk or any dirty pics, have made everything very clear and have a small but honest service list so when some ask me for totally outrageous things I just wonder WTF makes you think I'd be ok with that?
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My comment wasn't actually directed at you but just what I think generally. My apologies if you felt I was having a dig, that wasn't my intention.
To be clear, I was not for one minute suggesting that anybody necessarily invites or is OK with bad behaviour, if their paths should happen to cross with an asshole. If somebody is determined to behave like an asshole, they will do so, there's not much you can do to change people. But at the same time you can look at how you can make yourself appear less attractive to these sorts of people?
Likewise if someone is finding that they are constantly having to deal with the same problems over and over again - whether that be no-shows, smelly clients, boundary pushers or whatever - and others seem to have it plain sailing most of the time - surely it's wise to stop and think about what could be the root causes?
Again none of these comments are aimed at anybody in particular just my feelings on the subject based on my personal experience working in the industry. :)
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So I'm not convinced with the argument that most girls only do OWO because they're worried it'll cost them business.
I think the operative part of the sentence is 'they're worried that...' - just because you worry about something happening doesn't mean it actually will, but if you've only ever done OWO with punters and very few have asked for OW it would be reasonable to assume that most of those punters wanted it, whereas if you only see punters who want OW or aren't bothered, your view would be skewed in the other direction.
Either way, I agree that only offering what you're comfortable with is the way to go. And smelly is unacceptable whichever one you pick :).
Yes I agree, I can only base my opinions on my own personal experience. However I wrote that sentence in response to certain comments which suggested that very few women would do OWO out of choice and that more likely, most are only doing it to please customers or attract more business. My point being that's not always the case and if anybody is actually only doing OWO (or any other service for that matter) to please others, it might still go against you in some respects. I hope that makes sense?
Hey Alisha
When I made the post, I didn't mean for a second that EVERY single escort who offers OWO is only doing it to attract more business, just that everyone I have spoken to about it seems to only do it to attract more business and I think its safe to say that most escorts don't actually like doing it HOWEVER of course there is the other side of the coin where you get ladies who do genuinely enjoy giving OWO such as yourself & HHJJ.
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See, I never get this ???
I don't believe I have ever had any sort of a problem bar a couple of punters who hadn't read my ad and weren't sure so they asked, so even they weren't a problem as such and I've definitely never had anybody 'expect' any service I don't offer. I do think location comes into it a bit, but mostly I'm guessing that punters sense when somebody feels vulnerable or stressed and that's when they try to push their luck.
Me neither. I had one guy a few months back asking if I would do CIM (that's a big no-no for me) if he paid extra. That was said in the heat of the moment and I think he just carried away. He was polite enough about it and I didn't get the impression he was trying to push his luck or being disrespectful. I just politely declined and carried on with the booking.
The way you present yourself in your marketing plays a major part in the type of clients you attract. If you don't want to attract the boundary pushers, you need to make sure you come across as assertive and in control in your style of writing and words you choose. But always in a nice way of course. :)
My profile definitely is assertive and I don't have any dirty talk or any dirty pics, have made everything very clear and have a small but honest service list so when some ask me for totally outrageous things I just wonder WTF makes you think I'd be ok with that?
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My comment wasn't actually directed at you but just what I think generally. My apologies if you felt I was having a dig, that wasn't my intention.
To be clear, I was not for one minute suggesting that anybody necessarily invites or is OK with bad behaviour, if their paths should happen to cross with an asshole. If somebody is determined to behave like an asshole, they will do so, there's not much you can do to change people. But at the same time you can look at how you can make yourself appear less attractive to these sorts of people?
Likewise if someone is finding that they are constantly having to deal with the same problems over and over again - whether that be no-shows, smelly clients, boundary pushers or whatever - and others seem to have it plain sailing most of the time - surely it's wise to stop and think about what could be the root causes?
Again none of these comments are aimed at anybody in particular just my feelings on the subject based on my personal experience working in the industry. :)
And no I didn't think your comment was a dig or directed at me at all chick, I was just replying to your post :D
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Well just in the event that it was directed at me, I'll just reiterate that I didn't say or imply that 'most prossies who do OWO don't really want to do it', I said that in conversations over the years (both on here and in person) about services, OWO is the one I've found that most would like not to continue doing but feel they can't; I think kissing would be second.
To be fair, if the same numbers of people offered things like anal and CIM, there might well have been the same sort of figures wishing they didn't. The point I was trying to make is that OWO is not 'more' than OW, it's just different, and thinking of yourself as offering 'less' than others isn't really very helpful :).
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Amy, wee misunderstanding :D
Alisha thought that when I said...................
I just wonder WTF makes you think I'd be ok with that?
Above on one of my posts that I meant I was asking her WTF makes her think I'd be ok with that when what I meant was when a client asks to shit on my stomach or something I think WTF is it about my spotlessly clean profile that makes you think I am ok with that sort of thing.
Make sense? Anyways Alisha felt she had to apologise and explain herself when all it was, was a misunderstanding.
So nobody is getting at anyone lol.
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Well just in the event that it was directed at me, I'll just reiterate that I didn't say or imply that 'most prossies who do OWO don't really want to do it', I said that in conversations over the years (both on here and in person) about services, OWO is the one I've found that most would like not to continue doing but feel they can't; I think kissing would be second.
To be fair, if the same numbers of people offered things like anal and CIM, there might well have been the same sort of figures wishing they didn't. The point I was trying to make is that OWO is not 'more' than OW, it's just different, and thinking of yourself as offering 'less' than others isn't really very helpful :).
No it wasn't. ;D
Without wanting to drag the issue out, I have noticed - from conversations with clients, other escorts and friends as well as reading the odd industry forum - that a lot of people seem to think that OWO isn't an activity that many escorts would do willingly. I was just trying to say that's not always the case. I've just noticed PP's reply a couple of posts further up and obviously some things have been misinterpreted.
Anyway, I remember now why I've never commented on any other thread about OWO. It's a minefield and has got be one of the most emotive and dividing subjects out there! I just wanted to show my support for the practice and give reasons as to why I'm OK with it. I don't have a problem or issue if people choose to do things differently from me or disagree and have different opinions. Live and let live. :)
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Amy, wee misunderstanding :D
Alisha thought that when I said...................
I just wonder WTF makes you think I'd be ok with that?
Above on one of my posts that I meant I was asking her WTF makes her think I'd be ok with that when what I meant was when a client asks to shit on my stomach or something I think WTF is it about my spotlessly clean profile that makes you think I am ok with that sort of thing.
Make sense? Anyways Alisha felt she had to apologise and explain herself when all it was, was a misunderstanding.
So nobody is getting at anyone lol.
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Yes I did misread that "WTF...." bit, I thought you were talking to me, when actually you were directing it at a would-be client. Hence my apology and clarification in the subsequent post. It's so easy to end up with crossed wires on here! Glad it's sorted though. :)
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It defo is easy to read something wrong or write something wrong in a forum. I know what I am saying and I know what I mean but as someone else reading it, they may be like WTF?? Pardon the pun :D
Sorted now :D
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I did offer OWO but have stopped, not because I don't enjoy it but because I hate someone coming in my mouth (literally makes me gag) and although I didn't offer CIM and always made sure they knew that there was always a worry that someone would.
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I think the operative part of the sentence is 'they're worried that...' - just because you worry about something happening doesn't mean it actually will, but if you've only ever done OWO with punters and very few have asked for OW it would be reasonable to assume that most of those punters wanted it, whereas if you only see punters who want OW or aren't bothered, your view would be skewed in the other direction.
Either way, I agree that only offering what you're comfortable with is the way to go. And smelly is unacceptable whichever one you pick :).
There are men who want OWO, men who want OW, and more who couldn't care - either because they don't want oral or because it doesn't matter so long as their dick is in someone's mouth.
As ever, what Amy says is right. Everyone has their own attitude to this, and dozens of other choices.
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I'm the weirdo who prefers owo. none of the guys I have seen have been smelly and I really enjoy it. Granted I am outcall only so I may only see 1 or 2 people a day but I have always enjoyed giving blowjobs.
I do OWO as no matter what condoms I use I gag on them. Just the thought of anything rubbery in my mouth makes me gag, ever since I had a tube down my throat at the hospital and they forgot to sedate me and I was gaging and choking on the rubber tube. Urghh I am shuddering just thinking about it. I have a couple of clients that prefer OW and tbh I always try to put them off by saying I am busy as I know I wont be able to do it for more than a couple of seconds before I start gagging
I just make sure I have very regular throat swabs and must admit everytime I get a sore throat I am panicking that it may be an STI but that is something I live with as I choose to give OWO
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I do OWO as no matter what condoms I use I gag on them. Just the thought of anything rubbery in my mouth makes me gag, ever since I had a tube down my throat at the hospital and they forgot to sedate me and I was gaging and choking on the rubber tube. Urghh I am shuddering just thinking about it. I have a couple of clients that prefer OW and tbh I always try to put them off by saying I am busy as I know I wont be able to do it for more than a couple of seconds before I start gagging
Lord, that's horrible - I'm not surprised it's difficult.
I have a horror of choking, but it's having anything around my neck that bothers me (even things like T-shirts have to be lowish) and it took me a solid month to get used to doing it, but I don't even think about it now. I've coughed and choked when a punter with a long one has tried to shove my head down on it, but I would have done whether there was a condom there or not and I think most people would.
What I did find when I stopped was how much more relaxed and happy I felt, and how much more enthusiastic I was as a result; I also learnt a lot about using your lips and tongue and applying different pressures and techniques, because obviously the condom means you have to work harder :).
I did get punters asking if I was going to stop doing anal and some other stuff too, which I thought was a bit odd but they maybe associated covered oral with only doing very vanilla stuff. Going back to the OP, I don't honestly think I'd have lasted a year if I was doing stuff I wasn't OK with just to try and get more business.
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snap, I gag on them. I never would have entertained the idea of owo and I dont offer it everybody. But after giving it my ex husband for years and getting bugger all back, hey ho its no hardship to do it for money now. Somebody has to pay the rent. The tongue does all the work (I use strong mouthwash as soon as hes gone), you do not need to take much of it in!! They take forever to come with a condom. I will never, ever offer cim. Id probably throw up all over him haha. He wouldnt ask again ;-)
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Okay I know there are tons of OWO / OW threads. I am doing this thread dedicated to oral without and complication if any. I am thinking of offering oral without at discretion. I have sucked tons of cocks without protection, and caught nothing. Just curious if anyone has had the misfortune, or never had any probs
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Not me, never had any desire to offer it either. For every man who is put off me for not offering OWO.....there is someone who wants me specifically for using protection and then there's all the clients who aren't bothered whether they get it with or without.
In my home city, the prices are getting lower so I have had to lower my rates in order to keep myself as busy as I like to be, obviously if I did offer OWO, I could charge more but it's just something I would never do.
If I felt the need to start offering OWO, that's the day I will give up escorting.
Each to their own though.
I think you could be escorting doing OWO for 10 years and never catch anything or you could be unlucky and catch something in your throat first time.
You just have to weigh up in your own mind what the risks are to you nevermind what anyone else says. For me, the risks are too high and not necessarily just the thought of catching something in my throat but the thought of putting a dirty cock in my mouth freaks me out so the worry of that happening several times a day would make me really unhappy in my job whereas, I am quite happy doing things the way I do them.
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Never do owo and I mostly do pse which you would think ow I would happen. I have only really had a few question it they didn't complain just asked was it not on the cards when I said i never do owo they where happy enough.... I have clients that actually ask me over and over to make sure I don't offer owo as they worry about their sexual health.
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I've been doing owo for years, with no problems. Not sure it's less healthy than sucking on a bit of latex covered in chemicals. Each to their own....
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I do OWO, CIM and Swallow.
Never had any issues, but cancel booking if I even see a mouth ulcer and get it checked.
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Im doing owo / cim/ swallow since I started 5 years ago.
Never had any issues apart from smelly cocks.
I cant do ow, I gag from the taste of condoms and I dont like to suck a cock with a condom on., but I do like it without.
Each to their own, yes :)
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I don't do OWO, either. For one I don't really feel like putting up with the hygiene roulette, but more importantly me and my partner do not use protection and as such he doesn't feel comfortable with even the small risks OWO may carry.
With that said, in my personal life (before I got together with my current partner) I've never once used protection for oral - it's a habit I've picked up on the job. Never had any health problems, so the risks seem fairly small to me.
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I do OWO, but not CIM or swallowing. If I've had any dental work I tell the client it's off the menu. I've got some flavoured condoms in case someone does want OW, but no way could I do it with a normal one. It is also at my discretion, so if it was a manky cock I'd refuse.
I agree with Miss K: to some clients OWO is extremely important, and they probably wouldn't go to someone who didn't do it. To others who are very safety conscious they prefer to see someone who only does OW.
So, it's horses for courses. Just be clear and honest about what you will do.
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Lynx, I'm the same, don't think I've ever given oral using a condom with someone in my private life but my private life is my private life, I pick and choose my partners and I know they are fresh and clean and I trust them enough with their sexual health.
As an escort, it's work and I have my limits and my boundaries and that's just all there is to it really.
I know that my lovely regs are clean but the minute you start doing extras for one man, the whole world knows about it and it becomes a problem. My clients chose to see me with the services offered on my profile so they should respect that I won't suddenly start giving them services I don't do.
I have a bunch of regulars who enjoy OWO so they go and see another girl when they are in the OWO mood and come to see me when they are in the mood for me.
Not offering OWO has never affected me and my work load.
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I do owo and cim but swallow is very much at my discretion. I have had no problems but it's up to the individual to weigh up the risks and decide what they want to do.I've always offered these services since I started.
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I've been doing owo for years, with no problems. Not sure it's less healthy than sucking on a bit of latex covered in chemicals. Each to their own....
I think without sounding rude.....it's fair to say that sucking on another human being on an area that they piss from nevermind anything else and bearing in mind how many clients turn up unclean, they could have had their knob inside their wife an hour before seeing you or coulda had it up someone's bum.....I very much doubt sucking on a condom is less healthy or risky than doing it without.
That's just my opinion though, many may disagree.
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The reason why I wanna do it is cause it feels so weird having latex or a condom in my mouth, and like said before I have sucked my way through the gay community, still fine 0.o. But it is interesting if anyone has cause oral gonorrhea or chlamydia etc
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Whether anyone has caught something via OWO or not, the risks are the same.
Whether those risks are ok depends entirely on the person and the circumstances. There are plenty of things that some other people do that I wouldn't dream of doing: one year about half of all the cave divers in the UK were killed doing their hobby, but people still cave dive, knowing it could be fatal. They obviously like doing it a lot.
I like doing OWO and CIM with male partners, and this will affect my perception of the risk. In addition, as has been discussed before, people without a vagina are in a somewhat different position to those who are. If vaginal sex isn't an option, CIM can look more attractive because the alternative is anal.
You dislike doing OW, and that's going to affect your decision. As long as you're aware that you could catch gonorrhoea etc via OWO, any decision you make can be the right one for you.
(This is where being honest with sexual health clinics is a good idea, because it means you get the right tests. The only thing I don't like about doing OWO etc is throat swabs, but - to me! - they're a price worth paying...)
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The reason why I wanna do it is cause it feels so weird having latex or a condom in my mouth, and like said before I have sucked my way through the gay community, still fine 0.o. But it is interesting if anyone has cause oral gonorrhea or chlamydia etc
My first ever flat mate (When I was at college) caught gonorreha in his throat giving oral to a man but that was noting to do with the sex industry, it was just in his private life. Was absolutely horrible and we were horrified when he went to the doctors with it, he thought it was just a nasty throat infection not even crossing his mind that it was an STI.
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Goodness, it's just something I've done without thinking about it. My husband always used to come in my mouth and I'd swallow so have just carried on.
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Guys can catch STIs too from giving women RO, so nothing is 100% safe.
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i have been doing owo and cim for years and touch wood nothing ever happened. I only swallow in my private life though. The risk involved are of course very substantial, but I just can't bear sucking on a latex condom it just feel wrong.
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The risk involved are of course very substantial
It depends on just what you're talking about.
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I offer OWO at my own discretion. Before I put my lips to him, I stroke him whilst looking around that area to see any 'red flags' as I call them. Any rashes, redness, spots, sores etc. Thankfully I've never come across a cock with any of those issues and so if the cock looks good and clean I will suck without protection.
Of course this method isn't 100% foolproof but I have been providing OWO at my own discretion for the best part of two years now and never caught anything in my throat :)
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I do owo, cim, facials. You can have the latter two if your willy passes the standard for owo. I am careful, I always to be honest (dont gag) sniff my fingers discretely without them seeing after giving their willy a little play, if I can smell something then I bag it up and baby wipe my hands before I play with it some more.If there is nothing to smell then when I go down to give him some willy/hand action I give it an eyeball inspection too..
Never had an issue, never caught anything.
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Woww sassy love the finger smelling technique a a nice discreet way to tell if it's dirty or an infection x
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Gonorrhea in the throat very rarely shows symptoms, the various GUM clinics have told me. I assume you would always get a sore throat but that rarely happens it seems.
I know some men like to go to women who provide all safe services but I think a lot who like OW don't mind seeing those who provide OWO providing they do it covered with them of course as OWO is a lot less risky then BB. I wonder though if there are any providers who refuse to do OW, I mean at the time they're just about to give the bj.
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The risk involved are of course very substantial
It depends on just what you're talking about.
I meant to say the risks. :)
Well apart from standard STDs there s a danger of getting infected with something my worse such as AIDS or Hepatitis.
If you have any cavity in your teeth and in general if you have any mouth ulcers you are at high risk of getting infected.
I always make sure I have frequent dental appointments as well as dental hygiene appointments and so far touch wood nothing happened.
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The risk involved are of course very substantial
It depends on just what you're talking about.
I meant to say the risks. :)
Well apart from standard STDs there s a danger of getting infected with something my worse such as AIDS or Hepatitis.
If you have any cavity in your teeth and in general if you have any mouth ulcers you are at high risk of getting infected.
I always make sure I have frequent dental appointments as well as dental hygiene appointments and so far touch wood nothing happened.
Whilst I agree completely on the importance of maintaining good oral and dental health, I don't believe there are any proven cases on record of anybody contracting HIV (you can't 'catch' AIDS, and your GUM can explain the difference) via oral sex either giving or receiving, and irrespective of gender combination.
That doesn't mean it's never happened, but the chances are infinitessimal. I don't offer OWO or RO, but I can't say the thought of catching HIV from either had even crossed my mind.
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For HIV, the risk per CIM with someone who is HIV+ (the large majority of clients aren't going to be*) is somewhere between 2 in 10,000 and nil. The higher figure came from a US study of gay men in three cities that looked at what they did over a period of time and who got infected. Because oral is the (almost) universal sex act between men, they had to do some assumptions that not everyone agrees with in order to come up with the final result, and it is definitely at the high end of possible reality - there are plenty of studies saying the risk is much less and quite possibly nil. Without CIM, any risk is so near nil that anyone unlucky enough to catch it that way would probably be struck by lightning then crushed by a steamroller on the way to be tested.**
For HepB, you want to be vaccinated - it's more infectious than HIV.
For things like gonorrhoea and chlamydia, it's throat swab time - the bacterials are more infectious still and outside the urethra most cases don't have any symptoms.
* Although the infection rates for men who have sex with men are significantly higher than the general population, this is still true for people without vaginas: 'about' one in eight gay men in London are HIV+ = seven out of eight are HIV-.
** Ditto the risk for giving oral to an HIV+ woman.
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i will do without only at my discretion and i do have similar MO to sassy. hardly foolproof, but if there is anything a little suss i will cover it up.
i have had gonorrhoea in my throat, but i manage to get that lovely little present off a boyfriend i had been with for several months who had though it would be a good idea to go and sleep with his ex. he blamed me (i wasn't escorting at the time) despite the fact i had been with nobody bar him since we got together.
lesson learned the hard way. had everything tested and fortunately that was all i had caught from the maggot!
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I do owo, cim, deep throat and swallow. I love giving oral, and I personally don't enjoy it as much with a condom when I've had the rare client ask for ow. I ALWAYS get clients to wash up when they arrive so hygiene isn't a problem. If I've suspected that a client may have thrush or something else, I don't take the risk, I make them put a condom on. That being said, you can't tell if someone has an sti by just looking at their bits, it's a risk I take. I got tonsillitis a few months ago, was off work till it was 100% gone, I still asked for swabs to be taken at the doctors even though the course of antibiotics were for both throat sti's and tonsillitis as I wanted to know. Came back as tonsillitis.
At the end of the day it's up to you what your comfortable doing and also which you enjoy. Plenty of us do owo, plenty don't. As others have said, plenty of clients out their who specifically look for wgs who don't do owoway as there are as many who only want wgs who do do owo and plenty more who aren't bothered either way. So business wise it makes no difference.
Hope my two cents helps :) xox
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Forgot to add, apart from one cold sore in the 2 years I've done this (which can occur from stress and other things aswell as sexually transmitted) I'm yet to catch something from oral sex *and I touch wood that I don't* lol xox
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I only do OW and so far I've been as busy as I like.
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never have never will, I just couldnt, not even with a partner
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I used to until i started going on animal rescue sited and heard of men going abroad and using dog brothels, you just don't know where there sticking their dicks.
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Aw gawd Ellie that's horrible..!! surely that's not very common though..?!
I've been doing OWO and CIM for years and (touch wood) never caught anything..
I can always use my discretion but so far I've only had to use it once or twice, but it does always give you an "out" if
the client is really un-hygienic or anything else that might bother you why you'd rather not do OWO.
Never be afraid to use your discretion!!
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The primary source for that story doesn't seem to be entirely reliable. I've also understood that most of the people into bestiality want to be on the receiving end - there are a lot more sources of animal penis-shaped dildos than animal vagina/anus toys, for example - and with many un-neutered male dogs the problem wouldn't be trying to make it have sex with you, it is having to stop it...
But when it comes to clients and their penises, you can control whether or not it's been washed in the past few minutes and whether or not it has a condom on it. You can't control - or know - what they did with it in the hours, days, months and years before then.
The same applies to their mouths and hands* of course.
* Fan: "May I shake the hand that wrote Ulysses?" James Joyce: "No, it did a lot of other things as well."
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I was offering owo for nearly a year now.. But i want to change to ow after reading a recent post on a punting site about how many guys actually cought something recently and they all seem to be sure they got it from owo... I dont know whether its 100% for sure but after reading in depth about the risk of owo im now more eager to change my service. When i started escorting i didnt offer owo and i cant say i was less busy then i am now although i still got days when ut wasnt busy as everybody get this kind of days. My only concern now is as i started to be less busy since last month i dont know if it will have some implications on my business if i start offering ow. I dont aim to see a lot of guys a day and i dont work long hours so if i get 2-3 bookings a day im fine with it.
I wanted to ask you ladies... The ones who offer ow, how do you find your work going? Is it ok or less busy, and do you offer other extras etc to make it up for owo?.. Thanks in advance
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I offer OW to new clients and i have some regulars witch i know them for some time and they are ok guys so i go OWO. Doing OWO you have a risk of getting gonorea , chlamydia, sifylis etc and i heard from the clinique were i do my tests that is hard to treat it if you have it in your troth.
When clients ask me on the phone if i do OWO i always say that depends and i will decide during our date so like this are already prepared that i may not do it and they say nothing when i put the condom on and i had lot's of them returning. I don't realy think that it can afect your work if you dont do it , this is my opinion about
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I've merged some of the (many) other discussions into this one for simplicity's sake and so it was a bit more recent, although there are more.
I haven't offered unprotected oral for five or six years and if it's made any difference to my business I haven't noticed. Punters for whom it's a dealbreaker just get replaced with punters who don't want unprotected services and/or wouldn't book somebody who does them - some are squeamish about kissing somebody who does, for example. The vast majority aren't really bothered if they want to see you and the rest you don't need to worry about because they'll just book somebody else :).
The services anybody offers or partakes of are their business completely, but you really ought to be more aware of the risks and if you're not, next time you go for your health check make sure they're explained properly. And thinking of OW as offering 'less' or as something you need to 'make up for' isn't helpful - it's a different way of working, that's all and you can make the fact you're taking health risks seriously a positive part of your marketing :).
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I offer OW to new clients and i have some regulars witch i know them for some time and they are ok guys so i go OWO. Doing OWO you have a risk of getting gonorea , chlamydia, sifylis etc and i heard from the clinique were i do my tests that is hard to treat it if you have it in your troth.
When clients ask me on the phone if i do OWO i always say that depends and i will decide during our date so like this are already prepared that i may not do it and they say nothing when i put the condom on and i had lot's of them returning. I don't realy think that it can afect your work if you dont do it , this is my opinion about
Yes i am aware of the std's you can get thats why i got scared and will not offer it anymore. I think that if you say on the phone that you offer it and then when they come and you dont do it they get upset and think " she lied for services just to get my money" which leads to bad reviews on forums etc. i dont trust regulars as they might be regulars to other girl as well so i cant be sure they come to me only... But thanks for responding im more reassured not to offer it now.
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I did covered oral for years fine. Now I do both on discretion.
I'll refuse if I don't feel I'm ok with it.
Never had a problem when I refuse and I'm so harsh with my
phone selection process I normally weed out unreasonable people.
It doesn't seem to make any big difference to work. I do lots of
extras, as I like them...but not to make up for not offering for OWO.
I get tested every 21 days and know exactly who I've done OWO with in case of issues.
I also have little leaflets from the STI clinic for clients to read if I think they have an infection.
They haven't a clue.
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I've merged some of the (many) other discussions into this one for simplicity's sake and so it was a bit more recent, although there are more.
I haven't offered unprotected oral for five or six years and if it's made any difference to my business I haven't noticed. Punters for whom it's a dealbreaker just get replaced with punters who don't want unprotected services and/or wouldn't book somebody who does them - some are squeamish about kissing somebody who does, for example. The vast majority aren't really bothered if they want to see you and the rest you don't need to worry about because they'll just book somebody else :).
The services anybody offers or partakes of are their business completely, but you really ought to be more aware of the risks and if you're not, next time you go for your health check make sure they're explained properly. And thinking of OW as offering 'less' or as something you need to 'make up for' isn't helpful - it's a different way of working, that's all and you can make the fact you're taking health risks seriously a positive part of your marketing :).
Thanks for replying Amy , yes i sae other posts as well but decided to ask here. Thanks
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I agree about the lying - either offer it or don't, but in my experience punters want to know what they're getting for their money and so would I. These are total strangers, and if one decides to turn nasty you're in a vulnerable situation with them - better to be clear and honest even if it's just to avoid awkwardness and misunderstandings.
You'll still get the ones that don't read/check (and I still have to tell somebody I don't do RO at least once a month), but if you've put your services clearly in your ads they've only got themselves to blame.
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I did not had clients saying that i lie about on the phone as i m very clear with them saying that "maybe" and on my profile i only offer OW. The ones what don't like my answer the tell me they don't come and most of them what i already see they return. I also never had any negative reviews about this or some other services. I think that in this tipe of work every of us do as they think is better for them and is up to everyone to chose to do or not a service.
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I do both at my discretion, although not fool proof, always good to swot up on sti symptoms- not a pretty site. Anything that looks off, I will just refuse x
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I did try today and changed my profile to ow... And i did get calls and some bookings as well, i will see how it goes.. But im not keen on owo anymore looking clean doesnt mean the punter is free of sti
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I'm new to escorting. Independent. And I know a lot of escorts are serious about condoms and then their are those who are not. With oral what is the going option? Oral condoms? Flavor condoms? No condoms? Which brings up all the other things and fears. I had a client once when starting out and was also in a relationship where I know for fact the partner was not screwing around. I unfortunately got Chlamydia. So easily fixed with a antibiotic. But the many methods of getting it made me wonder what is the best way to proceed?
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If I could go back to the beginning to sex work I would only offer oral with a condom, I know if I stopped offering it I would loose a ton of business. Do what makes you feel comfortable
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It's entirely up to you which you choose. I'm not sure there is such a thing as an "oral condom", but flavoured ones will obviously taste a bit nicer.
For every client who wants OWO, there will be another one who's very safety conscious who will want OW, so it's pretty much 50:50 - just be clear about exactly which services you offer.
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You will miss out on bookings if you do not offer OWO, but it is up to you, if you looking to see a limited number of clients offering only OW will probably work for you.
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You will miss out on bookings if you do not offer OWO, but it is up to you, if you looking to see a limited number of clients offering only OW will probably work for you.
The OP will only 'miss out on bookings' from punters who want OWO. She'll gain bookings from punters who don't, and in my (direct) experience it makes no difference to the amount of work you get whatsoever.
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You will miss out on bookings if you do not offer OWO, but it is up to you, if you looking to see a limited number of clients offering only OW will probably work for you.
The OP will only 'miss out on bookings' from punters who want OWO. She'll gain bookings from punters who don't, and in my (direct) experience it makes no difference to the amount of work you get whatsoever.
Maybe, I do not know of one booking I lost because I offer OWO but maybe I do. To me it is logical the more services you offer the greater appeal you will have and that in my view equals more booking. But????
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Quite a few men are sensitive about OWO, some prefer OW and of those who express worry about risk I think if I said I'm only doing OW they would accept that.
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You will miss out on bookings if you do not offer OWO, but it is up to you, if you looking to see a limited number of clients offering only OW will probably work for you.
The OP will only 'miss out on bookings' from punters who want OWO. She'll gain bookings from punters who don't, and in my (direct) experience it makes no difference to the amount of work you get whatsoever.
I agree with Amy. In my experience I am sought out because I only offer protected oral. There are a lot of people out there who are mindful of the risks and aren't willing to take them.
Don't feel obliged to offer services you aren't 100% happy with. Your body, your rules.
*Forgot to add, I use flavoured condoms, tried lots, still don't think any are great!
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If you drop OWO for OW there will be some moans about it. But I have heard from many, many girls that it leveled out. Just as there are men who won't see a girl who advertises offering unprotected sex, there are guys who won't see girls who do OWO. There are also guys who aren't bothered one way or the other.
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Use flavoured or unlubed condoms for oral, and switch to a new condom (of choice) for full penetration.
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I changed from offering OWO to OW and didn't notice a change in business plus its so much nicer for me☺
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I think as to whether you offer OW or OWO and get enough business will be greatly influenced by which part of the country you work in.
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I think as to whether you offer OW or OWO and get enough business will be greatly influenced by which part of the country you work in.
Why, LB? I don't work nationwide any more, but I used to tour virtually everywhere in the UK you can think of (and plenty of places outside it :)) and I don't remember anybody ever bringing it up. My location has never influenced my services and I can't see why it would?
I think I've had maybe three or four people cancel after booking in the seven years since I stopped offering OWO because they hadn't bothered reading my ad properly, so no great loss (people who don't read our ads rarely are, after all). I've had many more book because don't offer it but geography has never come into it as far as I know, and I've never noticed any pattern?
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Well im old school!!!
I dont offer OWO...CIM ect as i am extremely cautious about STI's.
I do great and i dont offer those type of services!!!!
I explain to customers that have requested it over the phone the risks of transmission on there part seeing sex workers that offer it.
My clients are happy with me using protection for oral.
But anyway that is my opinion......Each to their own!!!!!!
Do what is right for you!!!! Dont be made to feel any more uncomfortable than what u already feel doing this job!!!!!!!!
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You can earn more by touring than staying put. Since I am unable to tour I think I would struggle to get enough work ...
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Well I don't tour now bar the odd trips to London, and I do just fine?
Punters who want protected services, unprotected services, anal, domination and anything/everything else as a dealbreaker will make an effort to seek out the people who offer them, those who want to avoid them will do the same so they can not book them and in my experience the vast majority just aren't that bothered one way or the other :).
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I've never offered OWO or CIM never had a problem as mentioned before, the ones you loose because you don't offer XYZ you gain because you do the opposite. Folk have that debate in their head just as we do about condom or no for oral and will choose accordingly.
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You can earn more by touring than staying put. Since I am unable to tour I think I would struggle to get enough work ...
You can also potentially lose a lot of money!
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I have done a search in my region - there are 5 pages of escorts on AW offering OW whereas there are 11 pages of ladies offering OWO, suggesting there is twice as much demand for OWO.
I can't afford to jeopardise my business so will leave things as they are for now.
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I have done a search in my region - there are 5 pages of escorts on AW offering OW whereas there are 11 pages of ladies offering OWO, suggesting there is twice as much demand for OWO.
I can't afford to jeopardise my business so will leave things as they are for now.
Or it could suggest there are twice as many OWO competing with each other as OW girls and OW girls have more odds of getting a booking and OWO girls only do OWO because they're scared to switch. You just can't tell from that, thise numbers could mean anything - what you can tell from I think is if bookings/income change when you try switching. I think I actually make more money now I only do OW, because there is no difference in client numbers and also I want to work more, because I like what I do more, if that makes sense? It does feel like a risk though, I only tried it when I was financially comfortable.
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In 4yrs of doing this job I never ever did OWO or CIM, no exception, not even with my regulars.
This is a rule I stick to. I feel more comfortable and safe this way and still had work all the time.
I use same condom for oral n sex. Before oral I wipe it out the lube from the condom. I don't use flavoured condom, I don't like them.
Is totally up to you, don't let clients to intimidate you.
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I was just wondering how many give a b j with a condom.
As escorting is fairly new to me I had given b j's the way I had in the past unprotected.
The other day I had a guy asking me to use a condom for a b j, as he said he wanted 100% safe sex.
It felt okay, and probably better than the taste of pre cum that I have experienced.
I was wondering should I carry on with safe b j's, go back to the way before or charge extra for b j's without protection????
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I was just wondering how many give a b j with a condom.
As escorting is fairly new to me I had given b j's the way I had in the past unprotected.
The other day I had a guy asking me to use a condom for a b j, as he said he wanted 100% safe sex.
It felt okay, and probably better than the taste of pre cum that I have experienced.
I was wondering should I carry on with safe b j's, go back to the way before or charge extra for b j's without protection????
It's entirely up to you: just be clear in your advertising if you no longer want to do OWO. I'd say up to about one-third of men are now going for OW because they've become more aware of the possible oral transmission of STIs. So you might lose some punters dropping OWO, but you'll gain others who are paranoid/cautious about safety.
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I offer OWO but always before I start oral I make sure to ask the client if he would prefer it OWO or OW. I have it on my profile as long as they are clean and fresh I have no problem giving OWO but if THEY prefer oral with a condom then that's fine too.
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Hey
So I am a few months in to escorting now, and I've always only offered OW. Never had an issue receiving oral. I DO feel like I'd get a lot more bookings if I offered it, especially as my rates are higher than most girls in my local area, but safety is a massive concern for me. I love giving head, love the whole process and I know I'm good at it, and I hate giving it with a condom, but I'm terrified of catching something and passing it on to my partner and also the fear of throat cancer what with the hpv virus. I know its a highly personal thing but for those of you who DON'T offer OWO, do you find it affects how many bookings you get? And for those who DO offer OWO, how do you minimise your risk?
Thanks so much, know this is a bit of a touchy subject! :)
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I personally always do OWO unless the client requests a condom or there is a reason why I think it might be a risk.
I know the risks and maybe I will regret it, but I have decided that as I'm not actually a fan of giving BJs with a condom I will take it.
I'm fairly sure someone will come along to say they never do OWO and it hasn't affected their business. To be honest I think like a lot of things in this game what you do or don't do will be well received by different clients- some men will prefer to see women who always do OW so if you lose a few clients you will gain a few too.
Just go with what works for you personally.
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I no longer offer OWO about 6 months ago after a tour to Birmingham a week later I had herpes simplex orally, unfortunately this is something that can reaccur and the only place i could have caught this from would have been from providing OWO.
Also a reason that I am no longer escorting at the moment it just scared the bejesus out of me as it was the first time in my escorting career of 6 years that I had caught something and I am very dilligent when it comes to inspecting willies.
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Fluffy Bunny.
Do you kiss? As it's also very easy to get from kissing.
Over 70% of the U.K. have at least one form of the virus and a lot (of lucky ones) don't have any symptoms. You can catch it from people with no symptoms.
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Fluffy Bunny.
Do you kiss? As it's also very easy to get from kissing.
Over 70% of the U.K. have at least one form of the virus and a lot (of lucky ones) don't have any symptoms. You can catch it from people with no symptoms.
I do kiss but no dfk, but clearly remember no kissing in Brum.
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Not saying you didn't get it from owo but the virus can remain dormant for months or forever so you don't really have a way to tell when you contracted it.
I wouldn't feel bad about your willy screening techniques as it can be passed without active breakouts and lots of people have the virus without knowing it.
Lots of people get it from kissing granny when they are little!
It's such a stigmatised disease and it makes people feel horribly dirty. Even though most people have it!!!
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Yep, you could catch herpex simplex from OWO but you're more likely to have had it anyway - most of us do. It then can flare up and cause e.g. a cold sore if you're stressed or run down.
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Wouldn't let it stop you working. Just don't work if you have active sores.
You could be majorly diligent and no longer of kissing or owo but as I said most people have the virus anyway.
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I used to offer owo because the risk of hiv is extremely low to non-existent. But then I learned a friend of mine got gonorrhoea in the throat from oral sex.
I realised that I really didn't want to get it and go through the upset of contacting clients and partners. So, even though the risks are still quite small, I know longer offer it.
I think it's up to every one to work out what level of risk they are prepared to take as no sex is risk free.
Business is still very good, although I was worried.
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Just going through it ladies have to admit it does make you feel dirty and I felt even worse for hubby hence another reason why i no longer want to offer OWO as stated before Oral Ghonorhea is just as much of a risk these days as Chlamydia at the end of the day.
It just freaked me out and was extremely painful to go through just not worth it for me.
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I know I already have the 1 complex, as I got tested for it but negative for the 2nd complex. Like you guys said, over 70% of the population have it anyways and I haven't had a flare up for nearly 2 years now. Think I'll stick with OW, bought some strawberry flavoured lube yesterday to make it a bit more bearable, I just hate that bloody tip ha ha.
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I know I already have the 1 complex, as I got tested for it but negative for the 2nd complex. Like you guys said, over 70% of the population have it anyways and I haven't had a flare up for nearly 2 years now. Think I'll stick with OW, bought some strawberry flavoured lube yesterday to make it a bit more bearable, I just hate that bloody tip ha ha.
Tell me about it especially when you suck and it kinda flaps against your tonsils :/
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Tell me about it especially when you suck and it kinda flaps against your tonsils :/
Haha i tend to just fake moan to cover the sound of me coughing! They do actually make ones without a tip (trojan) and you can buy them on lovehoney, might try them out
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No way in hell would I offer OWO. I've known a handful of girls get oral chlamydia and gonorrhoea from it. Who is to say plenty others are but are not admitting to it? Not worth the risk. X X X X
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This OWO issue is driving me crazy! This week alone I have had one client cancel one hour before because he suddenly noticed that I don't offer OWO, and another from a RB (his proposed rate was already below my rates) who said he had so many girls to choose from but the fact I don't offer OWO swung his decision. I have a section on my profile regarding this to try and attract the clientele I want e.g. the safety conscious one, it goes as follows, what do you girls think?
I do NOT offer bareback or OWO (giving). I value my own health and the health of my clients far too much. There have been many cases reported of people becoming infected, specifically through giving oral sex to a man, specifically with HIV, gonorrhea, & syphillis. Receiving oral sex (as a woman) has no reported cases, and so this is included. I am however, an expert at giving protected oral; I use unlubricated condoms (the lube itself can numb sensitivity) with no tip, enabling me to give a sloppy, wet deep throat experience alongside my incredible hands. ;) I enjoy receiving facials, cum over my breasts/bum and any other areas except in my mouth/genital area.
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This OWO issue is driving me crazy! This week alone I have had one client cancel one hour before because he suddenly noticed that I don't offer OWO, and another from a RB (his proposed rate was already below my rates) who said he had so many girls to choose from but the fact I don't offer OWO swung his decision. I have a section on my profile regarding this to try and attract the clientele I want e.g. the safety conscious one, it goes as follows, what do you girls think?
I do NOT offer bareback or OWO (giving). I value my own health and the health of my clients far too much. There have been many cases reported of people becoming infected, specifically through giving oral sex to a man, specifically with HIV, gonorrhea, & syphillis. Receiving oral sex (as a woman) has no reported cases, and so this is included. I am however, an expert at giving protected oral; I use unlubricated condoms (the lube itself can numb sensitivity) with no tip, enabling me to give a sloppy, wet deep throat experience alongside my incredible hands. ;) I enjoy receiving facials, cum over my breasts/bum and any other areas except in my mouth/genital area.
Your right in sticking to your guns and not offering it due to pressure. There is oral gonorrhoea and oral chlamydia going around the midlands at the moment! ! ! X X X
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Your right in sticking to your guns and not offering it due to pressure. There is oral gonorrhoea and oral chlamydia going around the midlands at the moment! ! ! X X X
Thanks for the reassurance :) it's so tempting to give in especially when a) I find giving oral so much better without and b) as a relative newbie I'm struggling with bookings but I have to try and stay stubborn!
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Thanks for the reassurance :) it's so tempting to give in especially when a) I find giving oral so much better without and b) as a relative newbie I'm struggling with bookings but I have to try and stay stubborn!
Ive been escorting 7 years now and never offered it. I dont think its ever affected business as im just as busy as other girls in my area who offer owo. I know quite a few escorts who have stopped OWO because theyve caught stuff. There are lots of men who only go for girls who do OW so youll appeal to that market :) X X X X X X X
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Hi
Im seeing more escorts
Who dont offer kissing
Or oral without condoms.
Can anyone tell me whats the lowdown
On kissing in terms of infection etc
And oral too
I thought it was something always on offer for
Guys to want to book you?
Thankyou
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Hi
Im seeing more escorts
Who dont offer kissing
Or oral without condoms.
Can anyone tell me whats the lowdown
On kissing in terms of infection etc
And oral too
I thought it was something always on offer for
Guys to want to book you?
Thankyou
I don't offer DFK because I hate slobber. It's nothing to do with infection. The only thing you can really catch by mouth is herpes.
It's difficult to quantify the risk of oral vs vaginal, but it's definitely less than unprotected vaginal, but definitely not risk free. This link has more info
fpa.org.uk/sexually-transmitted-infections-stis-help/oral-sex-and-sexually-transmitted-infections
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Your right in sticking to your guns and not offering it due to pressure. There is oral gonorrhoea and oral chlamydia going around the midlands at the moment! ! ! X X X
+1 take it from someone who had never caught anything in 8 years of working and then this year I caught oral herpes from a client. Do not feel pressured to offer something you are not comfortable in offering, there are more than enough clientelle out there who are more than happy with OW.
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I do OW for two reasons 1) To avoid catching something and 2) I just hate the way most of their penis looks. So when one walks in with hair on their balls that reaches up to their cock and foreskin with whatever is festering underneath, reaching for the condom is like GOLD. Plus I don't feel the need to excessively scrub my tongue after. I haven't lowered my rates and I won't be lowering my rates so (middle finger up)
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I do OW for two reasons 1) To avoid catching something and 2) I just hate the way most of their penis looks. So when one walks in with hair on their balls that reaches up to their cock and foreskin with whatever is festering underneath, reaching for the condom is like GOLD. Plus I don't feel the need to excessively scrub my tongue after. I haven't lowered my rates and I won't be lowering my rates so (middle finger up)
Omg that sums my opinion up perfectly! ;D
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For those of you who do OWO then gargling mouthwash may help keep oral gonorrhoea at bay -
http://www .bbc .co . uk/news/health-36765167
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The outbreak has been in Leeds and has been for some time. I know of nowhere else? Unless anybody knows something?
I get regularly checked and never have caught anything. I enjoy giving OWO guess it is a matter of personal preference and balancing up the risk.
Handy to know about the mouthwash tip though!
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The outbreak has been in Leeds and has been for some time. I know of nowhere else? Unless anybody knows something?
I get regularly checked and never have caught anything. I enjoy giving OWO guess it is a matter of personal preference and balancing up the risk.
Handy to know about the mouthwash tip though!
A report from April 2016 there had been 34 cases of it throughout the the uk between 2014-2016
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Hardly an 'epidemic' then. Still not something I fancy catching .... Unless those statistics are wrong!
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For those of you who do OWO then gargling mouthwash may help keep oral gonorrhoea at bay -
http://www .bbc .co . uk/news/health-36765167
I know someone who works in a GUM clinic. Chlamydia cases in her area have tripled in the past 3yrs. She has had numerous women (mostly students) say they gargled mouthwash after unprotected oral to stop themselves getting infected who have tested positive.
All the guys I see want to protect themselves due to having wives/partners. Not offering OWO keeps me and them protected - that's why they book me.
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I know someone who works in a GUM clinic. Chlamydia cases in her area have tripled in the past 3yrs. She has had numerous women (mostly students) say they gargled mouthwash after unprotected oral to stop themselves getting infected who have tested positive.
All the guys I see want to protect themselves due to having wives/partners. Not offering OWO keeps me and them protected - that's why they book me.
Yes I get plenty of bookings for this reason also.
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I offer owo but mostly do and prefer ow. Might change to ow but a few like owo will lose their custom. I just stick a condom on smiling if they ask for owo it has to pass my test without them knowing what it is. :)
I did owo more at the beginning of escorting and never caught any thing even up until today.
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I deal with guys who want a really good oral session, not the cum-bucket brigade who want to jack off in your mouth and go. Many have told me they cannot tell I'm using a condom when I'm blowing them because I use good quality condoms.
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I deal with guys who want a really good oral session, not the cum-bucket brigade who want to jack off in your mouth and go. Many have told me they cannot tell I'm using a condom when I'm blowing them because I use good quality condoms.
So true. I use quality non latex condoms with a lot of feel and lost count of the number of guys who never realised OW could be fantastic till they saw me!
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So true. I use quality non latex condoms with a lot of feel and lost count of the number of guys who never realised OW could be fantastic till they saw me!
What condoms do you use? Xxx
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What condoms do you use? Xxx
Non latex Skyns they are brilliant for OW. Since I discovered a latex allergy a few years back. Not only do the guys always say they get great feel (thin but strong) but the added bonus the regular size seems to fit the vast majority plus no splits or coming off inside (tho I am always discreetly checking condoms stay on)
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Non latex Skyns they are brilliant for OW. Since I discovered a latex allergy a few years back. Not only do the guys always say they get great feel (thin but strong) but the added bonus the regular size seems to fit the vast majority plus no splits or coming off inside (tho I am always discreetly checking condoms stay on)
They sound great! Do you know where I could bulk buy them from? xxx
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They sound great! Do you know where I could bulk buy them from? xxx
I'm sure there's threads about this but best place is nhs freedoms.
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You can get bulk packs on Amazon too.
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Trojan ones without the tip are great for OW, I buy them on Amazon. I use them exclusively for oral and they're great cos the tip doesn't tickle your throat!
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I've been thinking about going back to offering owo as well as ow as I have had a drastic reduction in calls since I changed to ow only.
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I hate the taste of condoms unless they are flavoured and even then its not that nice.
I've been lucky so far that I haven't ever caught anything from OWO, from six years of doing this. I love giving OWO though, and swallow sometimes tastes nice when its runny but I keep a drink nearby for when its thick stuff that often tastes horrible so I use a drink to swig it down.
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I hate the taste of condoms unless they are flavoured and even then its not that nice.
I've been lucky so far that I haven't ever caught anything from OWO, from six years of doing this. I love giving OWO though, and swallow sometimes tastes nice when its runny but I keep a drink nearby for when its thick stuff that often tastes horrible so I use a drink to swig it down.
See Im the opposite I hate any type of cum in my mouth.
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See Im the opposite I hate any type of cum in my mouth.
I'm the opposite if I find him attractive. Even with some men when its of very runny texture it usually tastes really nice, I'm surprised anyone thinks it tastes nasty. Its the thick gooey white cum that's almost always horrid and even gets stuck in your throat for ages unless you immediately swig it down with a drink.
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iv had some horror stories with clients and i always check first before doing owo but i suppose a guy can be clean but still have a disease .
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I really couldn't do OWO. Seeing some of the cum some guys produce makes me want to heave just looking at it. Getting thick yellow cum on my hands during a handjob I can't get to the bathroom fast enough to wash up lol.
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I really couldn't do OWO. Seeing some of the cum some guys produce makes me want to heave just looking at it. Getting thick yellow cum on my hands during a handjob I can't get to the bathroom fast enough to wash up lol.
There is a difference between OWO and CIM - I've only ever had one client in two years who tried to push it, but a mix of luck and intuition meant I avoided the latter. I feel the same (it's the thick, porridgey stuff that churns my stomach), which is why I'll never do CIM. The only issue I have occasionally is a lot of pre-cum, but I'll get a wipe, or a hot washcloth, for that if necessary.
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Non latex Skyns they are brilliant for OW. Since I discovered a latex allergy a few years back. Not only do the guys always say they get great feel (thin but strong) but the added bonus the regular size seems to fit the vast majority plus no splits or coming off inside (tho I am always discreetly checking condoms stay on)
Tesco sell them and usually have good offers on.
I buy from the self serve tills and atm they work out 82p a condom
I stopped doing owo as men would try to cim and I would get really angry.
The anti botitic resistant sti has made me relieved I stopped before that started.
I never caught anything while doing owo but the thought of cim makes me heave.
Tell the next idiot who asks for BB about the anti botitic resistant no symptom sti - love seeing them turn green :D
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POP - you should try using the Freedoms shop and buy them in bulk online.
I sort of had to do OW for the first time in ages last week and it was a Skins XL: it had a pleasantly surprising neutral taste and a dry texture, so was actually OK.
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POP - you should try using the Freedoms shop and buy them in bulk online.
I sort of had to do OW for the first time in ages last week and it was a Skins XL: it had a pleasantly surprising neutral taste and a dry texture, so was actually OK.
I will have a look but am considering going back to massage with the no touch me or you lose your hands approach.
Tired of fighting with clients to get them to shower, gave up yesterday and didn't ask one to have a shower and yes...
he got undressed looked uneasy and asked for a shower as he felt uncomfortable not having one...
There is no winning
I have undecided days about escorting then meet a lovely reg and all right again.
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xx
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As everyone will tell you its personal choice. Owo even without cim does carry risk of disease transmission but some prefer it or feel they get more business that way so are happy to take the risk
Personally tried it for a few weeks when i first started as an agency convinced me i had to. Got repeated throat infections and just hated it. In over half the cases the penis' were so gross-smelly-dirty even after washing i couldnt do it properly ans couldnt finish fast enough and it just was not a good service so i only do OW. (And obviously became independent very quickly!)
No one can tell you whats right for you to do but you
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Hey,
I'm pretty new to this.
So, obviously I have sex with condoms but I don't use them for oral sex. I've worked with other girls who likewise don't use condoms for oral. Do escorts generally use condoms for such?
I can imagine a guy being pretty annoyed if I were to insist on him wearing one for that.
... but I did once have an oral STI so I know this is kinda risky business...
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When I started I only offered OW, but I found the condoms so off-putting (primarily the bobble on the end, which triggers my gag reflex even with a tiny cock) that after researching the relative risks I decided to offer OWO.
It's up to the individual what they are prepared to do. As long as you make it clear in your advertising that oral is protected only, then clients can't complain.
BTW if a guy has a smelly or dirty cock I ask him to either go and wash, or I can use a condom for oral. I've only had to do this once and that was a guy who was disabled and had trouble cleaning himself thoroughly.
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Hey,
I'm pretty new to this.
So, obviously I have sex with condoms but I don't use them for oral sex. I've worked with other girls who likewise don't use condoms for oral. Do escorts generally use condoms for such?
I can imagine a guy being pretty annoyed if I were to insist on him wearing one for that.
... but I did once have an oral STI so I know this is kinda risky business...
It is personal choice. OWO carries risks aswell, but thankfully I've never caught anything in 4 years now of working.
I do OWO with my clients providing they are clean which 99% of the time they are. I personally prefer this myself and enjoy it just as much as the client does. I also do CIM. I would never do services just because the client wants them.
It's up to you if you want to provide OWO! :) x
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I do it with or without depending on a punters personal hygiene...id rather suck a clean willy than suck rubber lol
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I've been doing owo & cim for 5 years and never had an std in the throat. I'm not going to say it's never going to happen , but 5 years working and doing owo, it must be very low risk.
I personally think business would massively drop if i stopped doing it. I always wipe my clients with a wet wipe before performing owo or I make them shower before the booking.
Owo seems to be expected in GFE service these days.
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I previously performed OWO however now that I'm returning, I would prefer to do OW. I am hoping that people will still remember me and I will attract back old clients as a result, but would returning and saying 'no, now I only do OW' go against me?
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I've been doing owo & cim for 5 years and never had an std in the throat. I'm not going to say it's never going to happen , but 5 years working and doing owo, it must be very low risk.
I personally think business would massively drop if i stopped doing it. I always wipe my clients with a wet wipe before performing owo or I make them shower before the booking.
Owo seems to be expected in GFE service these days.
I agree. I think the only way I get long term regulars is to do OWO and to do it Linda Lovelace style till I am gagging hahahaha (classy chick)
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Have always done OWO without at my discretion and never caught a single thing or had any issues. 3 years working previously and recently back.
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I believe there are too many other escorts who will offer it if I don't...too much competition and I want them to return.
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There are plenty people who aren't specifically looking for OWO, though. So while technically diversifying to include it if you are in OWO-heavy area is nice, ultimately it won't make or break it except for the people who are primarily after oral.
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I've never met a man who doesn't haha
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(This is may be a stupid question, but...) When giving OWO and the client finishes in your mouth, are you more likely to contract an oral STI if you swallow rather than spit?
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(This is may be a stupid question, but...) When giving OWO and the client finishes in your mouth, are you more likely to contract an oral STI if you swallow rather than spit?
No - it's more to do with the amount of time the cum is in your mouth, and if you have any sores, abrasions from vigorous toothbrushing etc. If anything, swallowing it straight down is probably the best tactic.
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It's an interesting thought. STIs, potentially, affecting human gut/stomach. I do doubt that HIV, Syphilis, Herpes etc could be prevented if swallowed QUICKLY. It's just not well studied. They used to say, the stomach acid could kill anything until a brave man of science stood up and proved wrong whilst everybody laughed at his "stupidity" he was sadly exposed to. Nothing you read as "valid medical facts/truths" are really subject to further research. If you read something, it may not well be true. They don't know the whole thing. They never use us (escorts) performing OWO/swallow all day long as average population.
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I do because every else seems to where I am and they all ask
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But, don't they charge extra for it? Everything costs! :)
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Since I started offering OWO a couple weeks ago i have a lot more interest but not many bookings yet
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I agree. I think the only way I get long term regulars is to do OWO and to do it Linda Lovelace style till I am gagging hahahaha (classy chick)
Sorry but i have to totally disagree. Pethaps for some this is true and shewolf obv has this experience but my entire USP is PROTECTED AND SAFE everything in a nice environment and i have many loyal regulars.. You are correct most men prob want owo. I get a lot of verbal phone abuse for nit offering it HOWEVER the main reason for my regulars is that i dont take ANY healthrisks and this appeals to more than you may think. I have so maby clientts say they woukd never book a girl who offers Owo
Saying all this you are correct. The market for owo is bigger than that for only ow but i strongly disagree that the only wsy to get dedicated regulars is to offer owo
Each to their own i guess
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I used to advertise OWO, although I ticked the box down to own desecration I usually felt obliged to perform owo unless it was particularly nasty.
As you are most aware penis's vary greatly to one another, some have skin tags, foreskin that doesn't go all the way down and some even have little bumps on (these used to panic me, I now know they aren't contagious and afs fairly common. Anyway I found it quite stressful and also being quite a reserved person I felt a bit rude when I did reach for a condom for the clients who I didn't fancy performing owo on.
I decided to trial just offering OW and took OWO off my profile three weeksago have probably had a handful of potential clients not go through with the bookings as they have realised it is not a service I offer. Although I am not advertising owo I have still provided owo for a select few clients (they have not asked for this, I have offered and they have said whichever I feel comfortable with).
May bookings may have dropped slightly but I am still busy and happy with the amount of business I am doing. Since offering OW I have received a fair few repeat clients, so for many I don't think that ow or owo has a huge impact. I believe being friendly and attentive is what keeps clients coming back.
I was also worried that clients may not enjoy covered oral however I have not yet received any complaints and have even had clients wanting to finish off through oral (covered) so it must be pretty pleasurable still!
I am over all much happier not advertising OWO and only providing it when I feel 100% confident with the client. Hope this helps anyone who is in two minds about it.
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I used to advertise OWO, although I ticked the box down to own desecration I usually felt obliged to perform owo unless it was particularly nasty.
As you are most aware penis's vary greatly to one another, some have skin tags, foreskin that doesn't go all the way down and some even have little bumps on (these used to panic me, I now know they aren't contagious and afs fairly common. Anyway I found it quite stressful and also being quite a reserved person I felt a bit rude when I did reach for a condom for the clients who I didn't fancy performing owo on.
I decided to trial just offering OW and took OWO off my profile three weeksago have probably had a handful of potential clients not go through with the bookings as they have realised it is not a service I offer. Although I am not advertising owo I have still provided owo for a select few clients (they have not asked for this, I have offered and they have said whichever I feel comfortable with).
May bookings may have dropped slightly but I am still busy and happy with the amount of business I am doing. Since offering OW I have received a fair few repeat clients, so for many I don't think that ow or owo has a huge impact. I believe being friendly and attentive is what keeps clients coming back.
I was also worried that clients may not enjoy covered oral however I have not yet received any complaints and have even had clients wanting to finish off through oral (covered) so it must be pretty pleasurable still!
I am over all much happier not advertising OWO and only providing it when I feel 100% confident with the client. Hope this helps anyone who is in two minds about it.
You are right to only offer services YOU are happy to provide, I could do more business if I offered Anal but as I don't enjoy it I don't do it. Personally I prefer to suck a clean cock OWO rather than one with a condom on but that's me, at the end of the day its all down to our own preferences and not feeling we have to provide a certain service to get punters through the door.
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http://www.fpa.org.uk/sites/default/files/oral-sex-and-sexually-transmitted-infections.pdf Thought this might be a helpful resource, as it says OWO is risky and it's up to you whether you want to take on the risk.
I did interview at an agency once that insisted I provide OWO if I wanted to work with them, I declined because I want the choice but do offer it to regulars. This is mainly because there hasn't been a single client who didn't want it and I also don't know any WGs in my market who don't offer it. I also realised that I do it with casual partners in my personal life where the risk is probably the same or higher. I take precautions like getting regularly throat swabbed, looking for any signs of infection on the punter and getting all my vaccines. I don't do CIM.
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Always offered owo myself, doing ow I just feel like I have a mouth full of rubber!!!xxx
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I love giving owo and most of my clients would rather pass on just oral with as it just doesn't feel good.
Also find if I use a condom they lose their erection and its more work for me.
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Before I knew it he exploded in my mouth. I swear he lasted less than 3 minutes. I do offer CIM but it's still polite to ask and we'd never even discussed it. Luckily I had a box of tissues to hand to dispose of the mess.
couldn't stay hard enough with a condom on so finished with a facial. He managed to keep it out of my eyes but my hair needed a wash after :D
I didn't find anything clearly explaining/talking about this here in the forum:
"How are infections passed on through oral sex?
You can only pass on an infection if you already have one, and you can only get an infection if a partner has an infection. Many people do not get or notice signs or symptoms, and do not know they have an infection.
Infections can be passed on through oral sex in a number of ways:
- Skin to skin, or hair to hair, contact.
Herpes simplex can cause cold sores on the mouth and blisters on the genitals, and syphilis can cause open sores or a skin rash. If these touch a partner?s mouth, genitals or anus the infection may be passed on. Sometimes the infection can be passed on through skin to skin contact without there being any symptoms. It is rare for genital warts to be passed to the mouth and lips through oral sex. Pubic lice can be passed between pubic hair and any coarse facial hair, such as a beard.
The viruses or bacteria that cause some infections can be passed on in infected body fluids such as semen, pre-ejaculatory fluid (pre-cum), blood, or vaginal secretions. Infection can occur if infected body fluids come into contact with:
- sores, cuts, ulcers, or inflamed cells on the lips, mouth, genitals or anus
- the membrane of the eye
- the cells of the throat.
This contact allows the viruses or bacteria to enter the blood stream or to live in the cells.
Chlamydia, gonorrhoea, hepatitis B, hepatitis C, HIV and syphilis can be passed on in this way.
Hepatitis A is an infection of the gut that is passed on through infected faeces (shit). It can be passed on through licking or touching a partner?s anus even if their anal area looks clean."
Source: NHS, Printed June 2015.
It baffled me when I saw many posts here about ladies offering CIM and facials.
Because I was always told that allowing someone to come on my face was almost the same of letting them do bareback. Because if semen touches your eyes and the person is infected, you have about the same chances of getting the infection than doing penetrative sex with that person, without protection.
CIM is a bit different, if you don't have any type of cuts of inflammation, the risk lowers, but to have a few cuts in our mouths we only need to eat something that is not all that soft, or brush our teeth, or bite our tongue, or ...
So my questions are:
What do you ladies, that offer this services, think about this?
Did you know about this? If so, how do you keep yourself safe while offering such services?
I'm sorry if any of this seems intrusive in any way. I haven't started working yet, just want to have as much information as possible before I start.
I'm also sorry if any of the moderators feel like they need to move this post, I posted here because I could quote from other ladies posting here.
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If you are paranoid about bodily fluids maybe whoring isn't for you.
You could always not shake hands, not kiss, wear a mask to avoid breathing in their germs, wear gloves when you touch them, avoid bodily contact of any kind so not have sex with them but I don't think there will be much of a market for that kind of service.
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Well, I'm not referring to everything!
I'm talking about the very specific case of facials and CIM.
Since it seems that everyone in the forum thinks that bareback is unacceptable.
My question is what about facials since it can have almost all the risks as bareback (I just don't say all because there isn't enough studies about it to know exactly the percentage of transmission, because it's not 100%).
e.g.: Someone can have unprotected sex with someone with HIV and not get infected (the chances are slim, but possible).
That is my very specific (no generalizing) question. Not that I'm paranoid about bodily fluids, but I'm concern about my health and well being!
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Well, I'm not referring to everything!
I'm talking about the very specific case of facials and CIM.
Since it seems that everyone in the forum thinks that bareback is unacceptable.
My question is what about facials since it can have almost all the risks as bareback (I just don't say all because there isn't enough studies about it to know exactly the percentage of transmission, because it's not 100%).
e.g.: Someone can have unprotected sex with someone with HIV and not get infected (the chances are slim, but possible).
That is my very specific (no generalizing) question. Not that I'm paranoid about bodily fluids, but I'm concern about my health and well being!
Given that there are umpteen threads about sti's and the pros and cons about offering whatever service on this forum (type in sti's or similar words into the search box at the top of the screen) do you think this is an appropriate post to add onto a lighthearted thread about the last booking we did?I've asked the mods to perhaps move this post somewhere more appropriate.
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Ok now it is on a more appropriate thread here is my 2 penny worth...facials..yes there is a small risk of contracting stis from a a facial but only if you take spunk in your eye!Now I would think that you would have to be pretty silly to sit there with your eyes wide open when a man is wanking on your face!
Yes there is a risk of sti's with owo and cim but I would think most people on here will have done what you did and have educated themselves about sti's and made an informed choice as to what they feel they want to offer in terms of services and risks.Giving owo and cim is not the same as barebacking and neither is facials they are less risky (risky all the same but not as much as barebacking).
At the end of the day though we are all adults and we decide what we want to do as should you.Most of us manage the risk by getting checked at our gum clinics (for me that is monthly!) and not offering owo/cim if we have a cut in our mouths (you kind of answered your own questions in your post didn't you?)
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Merged :)
Everyone - worker and client - has their own position on what risks are acceptable to them and it's entirely to be expected that what you think is ok differs from some other people's. That doesn't make your or their choices wrong (and any suggestion that they are from anyone will find people unable to post here for a while!)
For HIV, the risk of CIM is as near nil as you can get and might even be nil. Some people find that too risky, others don't. Either way, you're more likely to be hit by a car going for a checkup than to get HIV from CIM.
Someone can have unprotected sex with someone with HIV and not get infected (the chances are slim, but possible).
For being on the vaginal side of penis in vagina sex with someone who's HIV and hasn't been on treatment for at least six months, the chances that you won't be infected are about 998/1000 to 999/1000. Put another way, it's about a 0.1% to 0.2% chance that you will.
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The only risk from facials IMO is a chlamydial eye infection.
CIM is risky, but if you're careful not to brush your teeth just before or after and swallow it straight down immediately, you can minimise those risks.
(I don't do either, BTW, but not due to safety concerns; however, I do think some clients are becoming a bit more cautious about the oral transmission of STIs, and probably quite rightly so.)
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yes there is a small risk of contracting stis from a a facial but only if you take spunk in your eye!
I know that we are only at risk of HIV and other of the nastier infection if we get fluids in our eyes, I'm not attacking anyone, just want to know how other coup with this, that is ti!
I would imagine that if even you have your eye closed and when the client comes, if it goes directly to your eye, probably you will have somewhat of a risk even with your eyes closed, depending on the "force of the ejaculation" (no other better words for it).
Yes there is a risk of sti's with owo and cim but I would think most people on here will have done what you did and have educated themselves about sti's and made an informed choice as to what they feel they want to offer in terms of services and risks.
OWO doesn't worry me so much, since it is on my part to make sure I don't have any cuts, etc. So that is just on the provider for the most part.
Giving owo and cim is not the same as barebacking and neither is facials they are less risky (risky all the same but not as much as barebacking).
My intention was not to make a head to head comparison of facials with bareback, just to say that if spunk got in your eye you would have about the same chances of getting HIV that with bareback, sorry if I didn't expressed myself in the right way so make this come across.
(you kind of answered your own questions in your post didn't you?)
I don't think so, since I was asking for opinions and experiences.
For HIV, the risk of CIM is as near nil as you can get and might even be nil. Some people find that too risky, others don't. Either way, you're more likely to be hit by a car going for a checkup than to get HIV from CIM.
My main problem is with facials and not OWO, CIM or swallowing, like I said above I feel like that is something that we can do a lot to be safe on our part.
Facials on the other end I don't feel so safe about. And feel that prevention is not so much on my end.
The only risk from facials IMO is a chlamydial eye infection.
I copy pasted a document from the NSH saying that you can get Chlamydia, gonorrhoea, hepatitis B, hepatitis C, HIV and syphilis if body fluids have contact with the the membrane of the eye. So no, chamydia is not the only risk.
I'm only looking for experiences. Like I said I have no experience, it's hard to compare what I read to the real world, that's why I asked.
If I have a direct question is: For those of you that have/had offered facials, if the clients comes on the eye can the spunk go inside the eye?
Thank you for all the input.
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You got my experience and opinion with my post as I offer all 3 of those things.
Yes obviously if a client spunks in your eye then yes you will have spunk in your eye same as if you get an eyelash in your eye etc but it can't get into your eye from being on your eyelid!
It stings by the way if you get it on your eyeball,so wash it out asap (have accidently got caught in the eye twice in 6 years of working).
And no you aren't at risk of an sti if the client doesn't get it in your eye.I've never had a client be able to ejaculate that hard that his spunk forces itself under my eyelids.It's spunk,not battery acid it can't seep through your eyelid.You can position your face so that he ejaculates below your nose and you can also have a flannel or babywipe in your hand to wipe it away asap.
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The last comment about it going in the eye just cracked me up, my client just shot his load in his ear, I am still laughing now
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You are not obliged to offer facials btw,many sex workers don't.So as you say if your main problem is with facials then don't offer them simples.
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I know that we are only at risk of HIV and other of the nastier infection if we get fluids in our eyes, I'm not attacking anyone, just want to know how other coup with this, that is ti!
I would imagine that if even you have your eye closed and when the client comes, if it goes directly to your eye, probably you will have somewhat of a risk even with your eyes closed, depending on the "force of the ejaculation" (no other better words for it).
OWO doesn't worry me so much, since it is on my part to make sure I don't have any cuts, etc. So that is just on the provider for the most part.
My intention was not to make a head to head comparison of facials with bareback, just to say that if spunk got in your eye you would have about the same chances of getting HIV that with bareback, sorry if I didn't expressed myself in the right way so make this come across.
I don't think so, since I was asking for opinions and experiences.
My main problem is with facials and not OWO, CIM or swallowing, like I said above I feel like that is something that we can do a lot to be safe on our part.
Facials on the other end I don't feel so safe about. And feel that prevention is not so much on my end.
I copy pasted a document from the NSH saying that you can get Chlamydia, gonorrhoea, hepatitis B, hepatitis C, HIV and syphilis if body fluids have contact with the the membrane of the eye. So no, chamydia is not the only risk.
I'm only looking for experiences. Like I said I have no experience, it's hard to compare what I read to the real world, that's why I asked.
If I have a direct question is: For those of you that have/had offered facials, if the clients comes on the eye can the spunk go inside the eye?
Thank you for all the input.
If you when you eventually begin to whore don't want to offer facials that's your business, I don't see the point in you (a non escort) coming here to educate the already educated.
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Facials and bareback do not carry the same risks at all
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If you when you eventually begin to whore don't want to offer facials that's your business, I don't see the point in you (a non escort) coming here to educate the already educated.
I know that I can/will only offer the services that I want to offer. I'm not coming here to educate anyone but MYSELF!
Facials and bareback do not carry the same risks at all
Not my intention to pass this idea, my intention was to say that with facials, if and only if you get spunk in your eye you have the same risk as bareback.
You got my experience and opinion with my post as I offer all 3 of those things.
Yes obviously if a client spunks in your eye then yes you will have spunk in your eye same as if you get an eyelash in your eye etc but it can't get into your eye from being on your eyelid!
It stings by the way if you get it on your eyeball,so wash it out asap (have accidently got caught in the eye twice in 6 years of working).
And no you aren't at risk of an sti if the client doesn't get it in your eye.I've never had a client be able to ejaculate that hard that his spunk forces itself under my eyelids.It's spunk,not battery acid it can't seep through your eyelid.You can position your face so that he ejaculates below your nose and you can also have a flannel or babywipe in your hand to wipe it away asap.
Thank you BibiofLeeds, always wondered about that. In my sex life it never happened to me, so I really didn't have any idea.
It's easy to feel scary while reading a paper like the one I quoted here from the NHS, but real life is not a pamphlet.
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I have just searched, and could not find a single case of anyone getting HIV via spunk in the eye, ever. Ditto for Hep of any kind. It is a theoretical risk rather than a common one, whereas infection rates for unprotected vaginal or anal sex are much more concrete.
Chlamydial conjunctivitis is more common, but easily treated with antibiotics, as with oral or genital chlamydia.
If YOU don't want to offer facials, then don't. Lots of escorts don't. I like them, so I offer them.
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I know that I can/will only offer the services that I want to offer. I'm not coming here to educate anyone but MYSELF!
Not my intention to pass this idea, my intention was to say that with facials, if and only if you get spunk in your eye you have the same risk as bareback.
Thank you BibiofLeeds, always wondered about that. In my sex life it never happened to me, so I really didn't have any idea.
It's easy to feel scary while reading a paper like the one I quoted here from the NHS, but real life is not a pamphlet.
You seem to have already educated yourself, why are you getting arsey when the girls are just giving their opinions, if you dont want to do it dont if you do do. You clearly did your research, make your own decision and leave it at that
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I have just searched, and could not find a single case of anyone getting HIV via spunk in the eye, ever. Ditto for Hep of any kind. It is a theoretical risk rather than a common one, whereas infection rates for unprotected vaginal or anal sex are much more concrete.
Chlamydial conjunctivitis is more common, but easily treated with antibiotics, as with oral or genital chlamydia.
If YOU don't want to offer facials, then don't. Lots of escorts don't. I like them, so I offer them.
"The estimated annual number of needlestick and sharps injuries in the United States is around 385,000. These injuries may expose healthcare workers to more than 20 different bloodborne pathogens, the most important of which are hepatitis B virus, hepatitis C virus, and human immunodeficiency virus (HIV). All blood, body fluids, secretions, and excretions, except sweat, can contain transmissible infectious agents. The risk of developing HIV after a needlestick injury is about 0.3% (after a splash 0.09%), the risk for hepatitis B is 6% to 30%, and the risk for hepatitis C after a needlestick is about 1.8 % (much lower after a splash). The following circumstances increase the risk of infection:
A hollow-bore needle caused the injury.
The area of exposure was penetrated deeply.
Blood was injected during the injury.
The patient has a high viral load."
Souce: americannursetoday
Actually getting body fluid in the eyes is something of concern for health care providers.
I remember an episode of House where one of the doctors working with House got a splash of blood to her face from a HIV positive patient, and there was a drama around that for that and the next few episodes because she didn't knew if she was infected.
There are plenty more articles and posts in nursing forums about this subject.
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I think you have had your answers,not sure why you have just copied and pasted the last article?
What exactly does blood in the eye got to do with asking what preventive steps do we take when we give facials?
I dare say there are plenty of articles etc about the subject and people will look them up if they have concerns but it is you that is seemingly concerned about facials so I don't think we need to have these articles quoted to us.
I think by quoting these things it is coming across like you are trying to tell us of the risks rather than educating yourself.
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I think you have had your answers,not sure why you have just copied and pasted the last article?
Wind up merchant springs to mind
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I posted the last article as a reply to someone that wrote that could not find "a single case of anyone getting HIV via spunk in the eye, ever".
There isn't much about spunk, but plenty about body fluids.
I was trying to educate myself and thanks to your input I did.
But it truly seems like I can't reply. I asked my question, got an answer, now it seems I should keep my mouth shut (or fingers still). It's sad, but I can do that.
Never the less, thank you for your help.
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But that article still doesn't quote an actual case of someone getting hiv from bodily fluid in the eye,nor did the episode of House.
It is technically possible to get HIV in the way's you have described but no documented evidence that someone 100 per cent got HIV that way do you see what I mean?
Nobody is saying you can't post but maybe popping up seemingly random articles without saying why is rathet confusing and can be taken the wrong way.
Maybe just ask a direct question if you have a concern rather than quoting something on the net?
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A non escort asking what 'we' think about it....really? ??? I think il do what I do earn a nice little bit, get tested every month and still not caught anything in my throat, im not sure why its important to you what other people offer, lots of people offer anal, I dont so what
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A non escort asking what 'we' think about it....really? ??? I think il do what I do earn a nice little bit, get tested every month and still not caught anything in my throat, im not sure why its important to you what other people offer, lots of people offer anal, I dont so what
This is the thing I dont offer FS but I am not going to start spouting incorrect information like facials are as risky as bareback, live and let live ;D
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A non escort asking what 'we' think about it....really? ???
What I think, is that this is the problem. Not the articles, but the case that I didn't start working yet.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Non the less it's what I feel at this moment.
Posting articles is my way of exposing my questions, some opinion, etc.
Maybe explaining that postings articles is not the best way to go at it. But I feel like the problem isn't the articles like I said.
I can be taken the wrong way because people take it the wrong way, almost all the responses seemed like attacks, but ok.
I won't post anything else. I've read this forum for quite a while, now that I'm about to start I felt like I should create an account and start contributing to the forum. But I really feel like I'm not welcomed to post.
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I won't post anything else. I've read this forum for quite a while, now that I'm about to start I felt like I should create an account and start contributing to the forum. But I really feel like I'm not welcomed to post.
Feel free to post genuine questions. Don't copy and paste irrelevant articles in an attempt to back up your ridiculous assertions that doing facial is "just as risky" as bareback :FF
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Feel free to post genuine questions. Don't copy and paste irrelevant articles in an attempt to back up your ridiculous assertions that doing facial is "just as risky" as bareback :FF
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I am on a phone, so I will just say BEHAVE.
There are clear rules & a report button for when they are broken.
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Oh and now with the rude PMs? Yeah you're really trying to fit in around here. ::)
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"I won't post anything else but you should read first!
Not my intention to pass this idea, my intention was to say that with facials, if and only if you get spunk in your eye you have the same risk as bareback.
I even apologized if a passed the wrong idea! My intention was not to compare facials as a WHOLE but the specific situation of when getting spunk inside the eye!"
There is my 'rude' PM. Your answer was so 'courteous'.
It's hard to think that I'm not being attacked when most of what I write is being taken out of context or misused for the propose of attacking me. Things are being used time and time again, even after I tried to explain that it was not my intention to give that idea and explain exactly what I meant.
I can accept that my first post could give the idea that I was comparing facials as a whole to bareback, but like I posted 2 times already it was not my intention!
And when I try do defend myself I'm attacked again for it! No problem. I really don't need to explain myself to anyone. I'll stay in the lurking side and stop posting once and for all.
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I'm on a phone too and in a hurry, so I'll reiterate what Ian said. If you've had a PM that's off it has a report button so there's no need to play to the gallery and drag it onto the board. The P (in case you hadn't realised) stands for Private.
Michele whilst I don't have time to read the thread now, please don't feel you have to stop posting your concerns. This is not the way we treat newbies here and don't forget that you can use the Report button too. To everybody else, if you have nothing constructive or supportive to say, please do feel free to find a thread about something else and post on that instead.
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"I won't post anything else but you should read first!
I even apologized if a passed the wrong idea! My intention was not to compare facials as a WHOLE but the specific situation of when getting spunk inside the eye!"
There is my 'rude' PM. Your answer was so 'courteous'.
It's hard to think that I'm not being attacked when most of what I write is being taken out of context or misused for the propose of attacking me. Things are being used time and time again, even after I tried to explain that it was not my intention to give that idea and explain exactly what I meant.
I can accept that my first post could give the idea that I was comparing facials as a whole to bareback, but like I posted 2 times already it was not my intention!
And when I try do defend myself I'm attacked again for it! No problem. I really don't need to explain myself to anyone. I'll stay in the lurking side and stop posting once and for all.
Nobody is attacking you, we are all just disagreeing with you, theres a difference. If you want to write facials are as risky as bareback, expect replies stating that your wrong, just like you have attempted to prove us wrong with your online quotes.
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If you want to write facials are as risky as bareback, expect replies stating that your wrong, just like you have attempted to prove us wrong with your online quotes.
The part that you are wrong is that when I saw that people were taking what I wrote, as if, I as saying that facials as a whole were as risky as bareback, I corrected it, I have done it 4 times this is the 5th!
"My intention was not to compare facials as a WHOLE but the specific situation of when getting spunk inside the eye!"
That was my point! And yes the first post wasn't all that clear, but I did correct myself!
And yes I was and still am being attacked! By the simple fact that something I wrote and corrected several times is being used without the acknowledgement of the correction I made to attack me.
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The part that you are wrong is that when I saw that people were taking what I wrote, as if, I as saying that facials as a whole were as risky as bareback, I corrected it, I have done it 4 times this is the 5th!
"My intention was not to compare facials as a WHOLE but the specific situation of when getting spunk inside the eye!"
That was my point! And yes the first post wasn't all that clear, but I did correct myself!
And yes I was and still am being attacked! By the simple fact that something I wrote and corrected several times is being used without the acknowledgement of the correction I made to attack me.
I think this is 4 times now you've posted that you are being attacked...Nobody is attacking you. When you decide to actually start escorting for real you will find you will need a much thicker skin than this.
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I offer cim and facials too. I can pretty much tell when a guy is about to cut so just direct his cock in the right position. Also hate getting spunk in my hair. So far nobody has cum in my eye so think it is highly unlikely if you have your wits about you.
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Michele, I'm a microbiologist by background, and have spent nearly 30 years working in medical information.
Did you know there was a case where a woman got pregnant after giving a blow job? It involved a very bizarre occurrence after she was stabbed. The point is if you get jizz in your eye, yes - it will sting like buggery, and yes, if you're unlucky you'll get chlamydial conjunctivitis. But the risk of anything else is infinitessimally small.
Viruses like HIV are not robust in many ways. They need to go straight from bodily fluid to bodily fluid. Unless you had an open wound on your cornea, you're not going to contract HIV from a facial.
In terms of risk:
Unprotected anal - very high
Unprotected vaginal - high for many things
Unprotected fellatio - risk of oral gonorrhoea and Chlamydia
Personally, I would never rim anyone as I think that's asking for trouble re. gastrointestinal/parasitic infections.
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I am moving mostly to oral with now, don't need thier cock skin touching me. Also for hygiene reasons I'll make up an excuse.
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I am moving mostly to oral with now, don't need thier cock skin touching me. Also for hygiene reasons I'll make up an excuse.
MD didn't I read you were retiring from escorting this week or are you just stopping having sex?
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Tidied. Move on, please.
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In my personal life I have always done OWO, however after reading about the risk that will no longer be happening. With this I want to be 100 per cent safe therefore only OW. So many STI's can be passed through OWO, and if I'm saying no to bareback then I'm also saying no to OWO.
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In my personal life I have always done OWO, however after reading about the risk that will no longer be happening. With this I want to be 100 per cent safe therefore only OW. So many STI's can be passed through OWO, and if I'm saying no to bareback then I'm also saying no to OWO.
Me too. I view all customers as if they have a disease, as you just don't know. The risks are lower than bareback sex of course, but it's just not worth the risk, especially for me as I have a partner too.
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I had changed to ow, but don't know whether or not to go back to owo (at my discretion). As when I am doing bukkake stuff I am doing owo. So feel like its a bit of a double standard not offering it in one situation but then offering it in another.
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I had changed to ow, but don't know whether or not to go back to owo (at my discretion). As when I am doing bukkake stuff I am doing owo. So feel like its a bit of a double standard not offering it in one situation but then offering it in another.
That's a tricky one. I'm not very au fair with bukkake, depends if it's just over your body, if its over your face then I agree its a dilemma.
I've never done bukakke, but I've done OW for like forever, except my first few months. There's been times when I've been quiet I've been tempted to change, but (thank god) so far I've resisted.
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That's a tricky one. I'm not very au fair with bukkake, depends if it's just over your body, if its over your face then I agree its a dilemma.
I've never done bukakke, but I've done OW for like forever, except my first few months. There's been times when I've been quiet I've been tempted to change, but (thank god) so far I've resisted.
Its mostly over boobs, occasionally face but then mouth is kept firmly closed as I can't stand cim.
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Its mostly over boobs, occasionally face but then mouth is kept firmly closed as I can't stand cim.
Ok I really don't feel it's a double standard then. I occasionally agree to facials but like you its always with mouth firmly closed!
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Ok I really don't feel it's a double standard then. I occasionally agree to facials but like you its always with mouth firmly closed!
Yeah and I suppose even though its uncovered it's not like I am doing bukkakes on a weekly basis. And I still do the checks I would do if I was doing it in a regular booking.
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If owo is your off limits, then deep French kiss would be the same. You would pick up viruses that happily live in the throat, some dodgy strains of human papilloma virus, and many other viruses, knowing lots of men go down on women. Some HPV strains are cancer causing, giving rise to oral cancer, which crossed my own mind. Dry kissing, I would say, safe enough (?)
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If owo is your off limits, then deep French kiss would be the same. You would pick up viruses that happily live in the throat, some dodgy strains of human papilloma virus, and many other viruses, knowing lots of men go down on women. Some HPV strains are cancer causing, giving rise to oral cancer, which crossed my own mind. Dry kissing, I would say, safe enough (?)
Watch out for the white tounges too french kissing.
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I wash thier cock in a sexy way going over not one but three times for owo on a rare occasion.
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I tried OW for a while and hated it that im going back to OWO. Its more of an experience for him and actually I enjoy it, can really enjoy the sensation of giving him pleasure and there is nothing that tastes like cock. its unique and its pretty darn sexy, and I like to get off too. Power thing having that power over him. I can give him pleasure and can control it to my speed. Just hated condoms and the residue that they left. horrible things.
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OWO as long as he looks clean. I don't really like giving OW as i don't like the feel of condoms in my mouth and most clients prefer it in my experience, it is a risk I will take sti wise.
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i have always offered OWO, as I prefer it to the taste of wrinkly rubber lol. In 8 years i have only had to ask 2 guys to go and have a wash down there, maybe Ive just been lucky?! I get checked at the sexual health clinic regularly and havent had a problem yet. I would rather give some punters a bj than kiss them...that sounds bad I know lol
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With OWO They need to pass the visual test and smell test and my contemplating test. I prefer OW.
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I wash thier cock in a sexy way going over not one but three times for owo on a rare occasion.
I admire that, seriously. :) Hygiene is important. It also means "self-respect". Good for you. :)
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I admire that, seriously. :) Hygiene is important. It also means "self-respect". Good for you. :)
Thank you I call it a sexy wash to them. I say that I like to do it three times, taking a long time doing and around the balls.
Some times they try to rush me hell no geezer lol. :)
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A great tip, indeed, MD. :) xx
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Bumping thread , has anybody gone from offering OWO to OW ? Did you get a lot less clients if so ?
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A great tip, indeed, MD. :) xx
Thinking about expanding :) To a sexy body wash some time.
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Bumping thread , has anybody gone from offering OWO to OW ? Did you get a lot less clients if so ?
I started off with offering OWO within 6 months switched to OW. I'm sure I mss out on clients for whom this is a deal breaker but I also gained clients who wanted as little risk as possible. I also do not miss giving OWO to those with a,lot of pre cum (grosses me out)
I haven't ruled out returning to OWO, if it's quiet I've thought about it but decided if I did it mustn't be for that reason.
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I started off with offering OWO within 6 months switched to OW. I'm sure I mss out on clients for whom this is a deal breaker but I also gained clients who wanted as little risk as possible. I also do not miss giving OWO to those with a,lot of pre cum (grosses me out)
I haven't ruled out returning to OWO, if it's quiet I've thought about it but decided if I did it mustn't be for that reason.
I've had 6 people cancel In the past 2 days because I won't do OWO 😭
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I've had 6 people cancel In the past 2 days because I won't do OWO 😭
If you've recently switched over that may be why. Is your advertising clear?
At the end of the day, your call!
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Bumping thread , has anybody gone from offering OWO to OW ? Did you get a lot less clients if so ?
I advertise ow and owo but mainly do OW. I always put a condom on them dont ask them. If they ask for OWO then if it passes my owo test, now I am very fusy.
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Men need to think before putting thier manky cock near us.
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After seeing some repulsive sights and smelling some vile smells I automatically always go for ow if they are spotlessly clean and they ask for it they have to be spotlessly clean. So many men have no respect for us by showing bad hygeine and I look after my own so I think they should do the same.
I had a guy not so long ago complain about ow and he was very rude saying how he wouldn't feel it and he's not happy I'm a liar in my advert. I rubbed my hand on his penis that was smelly and rather crusty put it to his nose and asked him if he would like to put that in his mouth when it smells like that! He was very apologetic then and said he thinks it's best that he leaves and I told him yes it's right he should leave. i told him also how insulting and disrespectful it is to expect me to do something that is disgusting and unhygienic also. He also refused to shower. He asked for a refund but I refused as he had already wasted my time and was a dirty bastard. I now do not refund someone if they are unhygienic I ask them to leave. I have it written on my profile also! It's like danger pay. And then I don't lose out because someone's inability to wash properly. It is very harsh but you have to be cruel to be kind and it teaches them a lesson that way.
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After seeing some repulsive sights and smelling some vile smells I automatically always go for ow if they are spotlessly clean and they ask for it they have to be spotlessly clean. So many men have no respect for us by showing bad hygeine and I look after my own so I think they should do the same.
I had a guy not so long ago complain about ow and he was very rude saying how he wouldn't feel it and he's not happy I'm a liar in my advert. I rubbed my hand on his penis that was smelly and rather crusty put it to his nose and asked him if he would like to put that in his mouth when it smells like that! He was very apologetic then and said he thinks it's best that he leaves and I told him yes it's right he should leave. i told him also how insulting and disrespectful it is to expect me to do something that is disgusting and unhygienic also. He also refused to shower. He asked for a refund but I refused as he had already wasted my time and was a dirty bastard. I now do not refund someone if they are unhygienic I ask them to leave. I have it written on my profile also! It's like danger pay. And then I don't lose out because someone's inability to wash properly. It is very harsh but you have to be cruel to be kind and it teaches them a lesson that way.
Totally and utterly agree with all this. Nothing will ever change with smelly dirtbags turning up expecting owo. Its a shame owo has become the norm wish it went back to most men expecting ow
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Totally and utterly agree with all this. Nothing will ever change with smelly dirtbags turning up expecting owo. Its a shame owo has become the norm wish it went back to most men expecting ow
I used to offer owo cim and swallow until a few repulsive experiences. Never again. Ow all The way. Thing is some women don't want to offend so may not say anything incase the punter causes issues for them posts a negative review etc so they will carry on grin and bear it through the bad hygeine or just use wet wipes. before I was so worried about that and didn't want to make people upset but after the horrific experiences I'm past caring. Is my body my choices and if someone's unhygienic is my place to say. Also I think it might make them think the next time they try to see an escort. The amount of times I've offered a shower in the evening and they have said they had one this morning! It's compulsory now. Certain regulars may get owo but only bcaus they have a great standard of hygeine. I can't stomache anything less than perfect hygeine and it makes me feel rather sick.
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I used to offer owo cim and swallow until a few repulsive experiences. Never again. Ow all The way. Thing is some women don't want to offend so may not say anything incase the punter causes issues for them posts a negative review etc so they will carry on grin and bear it through the bad hygeine or just use wet wipes. before I was so worried about that and didn't want to make people upset but after the horrific experiences I'm past caring. Is my body my choices and if someone's unhygienic is my place to say. Also I think it might make them think the next time they try to see an escort. The amount of times I've offered a shower in the evening and they have said they had one this morning! It's compulsory now. Certain regulars may get owo but only bcaus they have a great standard of hygeine. I can't stomache anything less than perfect hygeine and it makes me feel rather sick.
Yes its shocking the amount that expect it at come in so nasty like there doing an advertising campaign for the cheese counter..lol
But yes i know of situations where guys have unloaded a mouthful of blood in a wg mouth and the sperm has been green bright luminous green and even made some bullshit up apparantely because he had a lot of green veg last 2 days or something..yuk
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Yes its shocking the amount that expect it at come in so nasty like there doing an advertising campaign for the cheese counter..lol
But yes i know of situations where guys have unloaded a mouthful of blood in a wg mouth and the sperm has been green bright luminous green and even made some bullshit up apparantely because he had a lot of green veg last 2 days or something..yuk
Both of those examples I have experienced and its repulsive. Made me sick.
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Both of those examples I have experienced and its repulsive. Made me sick.
It also shows no respect for our health or the dangers plus they obviously did it on purpose scum bags i would get very very very angry over something like that that could result in me losing it.
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Copied from an article on bbc news in July, in the past few weeks I have seen some seriously gross gunk coming out of penises, its just not worth the risk.
Oral sex is producing dangerous gonorrhoea and a decline in condom use is helping it to spread, the World Health Organization has said.
It warns that if someone contracts gonorrhoea, it is now much harder to treat, and in some cases impossible.
The sexually transmitted infection is rapidly developing resistance to antibiotics.
Experts said the situation was "fairly grim" with few new drugs on the horizon.
About 78 million people pick up the STI each year and it can cause infertility.
The World Health Organization analysed data from 77 countries which showed gonorrhoea's resistance to antibiotics was widespread.
Dr Teodora Wi, from the WHO, said there had even been three cases - in Japan, France and Spain - where the infection was completely untreatable.
She said: "Gonorrhoea is a very smart bug, every time you introduce a new class of antibiotics to treat gonorrhoea, the bug becomes resistant."
Worryingly, the vast majority of gonorrhoea infections are in poor countries where resistance is harder to detect.
"These cases may just be the tip of the iceberg," she added.
Throat infection
Gonorrhoea can infect the genitals, rectum and throat, but it is the last that is most concerning health officials.
Dr Wi said antibiotics could lead to bacteria in the back of the throat, including relatives of gonorrhoea, developing resistance.
She said: "When you use antibiotics to treat infections like a normal sore throat, this mixes with the Neisseria species in your throat and this results in resistance."
Thrusting gonorrhoea bacteria into this environment through oral sex can lead to super-gonorrhoea.
"In the US, resistance [to an antibiotic] came from men having sex with men because of pharyngeal infection," she added.
A decline in condom use, which had soared because of fears of HIV/Aids, is thought to help the infection spread.
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Those stats and the situation is very scary and real and getting worse. Past sex work most oral sex was done with a condom but a lot now is without so its more easier to catch.
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That's it for me. Ow only. So scary.
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I know it's stating the obvious, but you can do OWO without doing CIM - in more than three years I've only ever had one client try and do CIM on the sly, and my woman's intuition/experience kicked in and I pulled away well in time.
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I really don't enjoy OW. For OWO if there is a whiff I either use wipes or take them to the washbasin and soap their willy down first before we start our booking.
I also do CIM and swallow.
Luckily I have never had any infections and I get regular checks. All good.
That said if a guy insists on OW I will of course do that too.
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I know it's stating the obvious, but you can do OWO without doing CIM - in more than three years I've only ever had one client try and do CIM on the sly, and my woman's intuition/experience kicked in and I pulled away well in time.
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I do OWO but I could never bring myself to do CIM on the job, and not a single client has tried to (maybe I'm just fortunate in that respect) you never know what's going to come out of the end of a dick...
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Totally and utterly agree with all this. Nothing will ever change with smelly dirtbags turning up expecting owo. Its a shame owo has become the norm wish it went back to most men expecting ow
The only way thus will change is if more wgs stick to their guns and offer only OW.
I started off years doing OWO within 6 months switched to OW for years. Took a break from escorting, decided to offer OWO again. Once more with 8/9 months was doing OW only.
Bare cock in my mouth is risky and if I don't offer bareback sex then I don't offer bareback blowjobs. Takes a lot of worry out of working as well as thanking God when I come across a drippy cock!
Interestingly there are countries where it isn't the norm and I've only found this out via Social Media and talking to some in those countries.
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Your right sinful if more stopped doing it then less clients would demand it...but it is risky and a worry with all the infections going around.
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Excuse my naivety, but can STIs still be contracted from OWO if they don't CIM?
There has been a scare recently with this and am seriously considering removing OWO. I don't CIM but I'd rather avoid the risk of catching anything.
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I have done owo for 4 years and have never caught any infection or illness. I do not do CIM nor swallow. I always have them take a shower before. To avoid infections I only brush my teeth in the morning (first hour) and last hour (when I go to sleep) since brushing my teeth opens small wounds and you have to wait 1-2h to close them. after each service use listerine (this brand has a high alcohol content to disinfect). If the client has any wrinkles / sores / blemishes or does not want to shower, use a condom for the blowjob.
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I have seen a very recent article (from the USA), confirming 1 in 10 men carry HPV viruses in their throat e.g. oral HPVs.
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"HPV can infect many different parts of the body?not just the penis and vagina, but also the cervix, anus, throat and mouth. Most people won't know they have an infection, since it doesn't typically cause symptoms, and most infections go away on their own. But some strains can develop into genital warts or even cancer. About 30,700 men and women in the U.S. develop cancer from HPV every year.
They also found that one of the riskiest strains of HPV known to cause cancer, HPV 16, was six times more common among men than women."
There's another article on HPV:
CBS News 1 in 4 US men have cancer-linked HPV genital infections
"CHICAGO -- The first national estimate suggests that nearly half of U.S. men have genital infections caused by a sexually transmitted virus and that 1 in 4 has strains linked with several cancers.
Most human papillomavirus infections cause no symptoms and most disappear without treatment. And most adults will get an HPV infection at some point in their lives.
But high-risk HPV can cause cancer in the mouth and upper throat, cervical cancer in women and other cancers. Less harmful strains can cause genital warts.
Vaccines can prevent infections but experts say vaccination rates in pre-teens and young adults are too low. High-risk HPV poses cancer risks to people who are infected and to their sexual partners, who can catch HPV even when the infections are silent."
Again, it's an article from the USA on STDs, wondered if there's a similar trend in the UK as well?
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Excuse my naivety, but can STIs still be contracted from OWO if they don't CIM?
There has been a scare recently with this and am seriously considering removing OWO. I don't CIM but I'd rather avoid the risk of catching anything.
Yes veggie they can but its more risky if there unloading in your mouth. Thing i have always wondered some clients really leak stringy pre cum well if you dont offer CIM but there still leaking would some say no you leak or just accept it?
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I have seen a very recent article (from the USA), confirming 1 in 10 men carry HPV viruses in their throat e.g. oral HPVs.
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"HPV can infect many different parts of the body?not just the penis and vagina, but also the cervix, anus, throat and mouth. Most people won't know they have an infection, since it doesn't typically cause symptoms, and most infections go away on their own. But some strains can develop into genital warts or even cancer. About 30,700 men and women in the U.S. develop cancer from HPV every year.
They also found that one of the riskiest strains of HPV known to cause cancer, HPV 16, was six times more common among men than women."
There's another article on HPV:
CBS News 1 in 4 US men have cancer-linked HPV genital infections
"CHICAGO -- The first national estimate suggests that nearly half of U.S. men have genital infections caused by a sexually transmitted virus and that 1 in 4 has strains linked with several cancers.
Most human papillomavirus infections cause no symptoms and most disappear without treatment. And most adults will get an HPV infection at some point in their lives.
But high-risk HPV can cause cancer in the mouth and upper throat, cervical cancer in women and other cancers. Less harmful strains can cause genital warts.
Vaccines can prevent infections but experts say vaccination rates in pre-teens and young adults are too low. High-risk HPV poses cancer risks to people who are infected and to their sexual partners, who can catch HPV even when the infections are silent."
Again, it's an article from the USA on STDs, wondered if there's a similar trend in the UK as well?
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The HPV virus is actually in a lot of people i know of 3 or 4 working girls that there smear come back not normal they all had HPV and were more at risk of cervical cancer and got cells lazered. You can get HPV quite easy from anything sexual but i dont think its completely classed as a STI though is it?
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I have been tested negative myself. As far as I am aware that there's a high risk, proven, cancer-causing strain (please see the article). That's something I don't want to end up with. My test results showed I had no cancer-causing strain. I have been told that dentists are far more vigilant on oral cancer associated with it. Maybe, there's the marked increase or much better awareness, I don't know. This has been known for some time hence the vaccination started on young girls. I essentially don't want to end up with the throat or oral cancer in my old age. I guess that's my fear. I had known someone who had the prostate cancer at the age of 80 years old (not in this industry). He had to have numerous chemo, which was so hard to believe, took nearly 2 years to get it under control.
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after each service use listerine (this brand has a high alcohol content to disinfect).
I'd recommend switching this to an alcohol free one such as Dentyl; rinsing your mouth with alcohol all the time is not just ineffective when it comes to STIs but can thin the lining of your mouth and actually make you more prone to infections if any are present. It can also put you more at risk of oral cancer, just as an alcoholic would be.
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I don't know if there's ever been any clinical studies, but my hypothesis would be that just doing OWO is safer than CIM. My guess would be pre-cum would increase the risk, doing a quick swallow of anything would help, but holding semen in the mouth, snowballing etc. would be most risky of all.
As said, it's important not to brush your teeth just beforehand. There was a clinical trial which suggested that Listerine - and specifically Listerine - if used straight after oral could reduce the risk of oral gonorrhoea being transmitted. I'm not sure if a non-alcohol mouthwash would also have this effect.
HPV is a non-issue for me. Everyone has it, and even doing OW wouldn't protect you completely.
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Your right sinful if more stopped doing it then less clients would demand it...but it is risky and a worry with all the infections going around.
Do they demand it ? Just say no and send to someone else , me for instance , I do OWO and cim always have and swallowed .
We're always going on about choice on here and that's mine , plus I've never had anything and my consultant ( private ) and the Gum clinic consultant have always said the risk is absolutely minimal with oral , but again it's about choice and choosing the services you offer.
Plus I state on my profile arrive freshly showered , then no need to shower ( I don't insist) but never had a smelly cock yet let alone a cheesy one , I'd be sick.
Now I'm bound to get one tomorrow lol ! I've also always swallowed until a couple of days ago and that's due to an entirely different issue.
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Do they demand it ? Just say no and send to someone else , me for instance , I do OWO and cim always have and swallowed .
We're always going on about choice on here and that's mine , plus I've never had anything and my consultant ( private ) and the Gum clinic consultant have always said the risk is absolutely minimal with oral , but again it's about choice and choosing the services you offer.
Plus I state on my profile arrive freshly showered , then no need to shower ( I don't insist) but never had a smelly cock yet let alone a cheesy one , I'd be sick.
Now I'm bound to get one tomorrow lol ! I've also always swallowed until a couple of days ago and that's due to an entirely different issue.
Yes some have demanded it but there just arse holes anyway, but yes it is a choice. I do think most customers want owo orcexpect it rather then ow as the industry has changed a lot.
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I find ow really hard lol !
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I read recently on a different site that a working girl contracted oral gonorrhoea. She said it could have been anytime in the last 13 weeks since her last tests, in that time she had 26 feedbacks from clients. That?s only the people who left feedback too, so god knows how many! I just worry about that the most. She was really good about it though informing everyone she had met which I thought was very brave.
Anyway without going off topic, reading things like that makes me glad I?m protected, even though I know I have lost bookings because of it.
In my private life I have no objection to owo and cim, enjoy it too.
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The HPV virus is actually in a lot of people i know of 3 or 4 working girls that there smear come back not normal they all had HPV and were more at risk of cervical cancer and got cells lazered. You can get HPV quite easy from anything sexual but i dont think its completely classed as a STI though is it?
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I looked online as I automatically assumed that HPVs are STIs. Wiki's sexually transmitted infection does include HPV as STI along with other sites e.g. NHS Choice etc. Not getting tested at sexual health clinic doesn't mean it is not a sexually transmitted infection. Given the seriousness of some HPV strain, it is checked via your normal healthcare service. But they never swab your throat for HPV 6 strain, which is a biggie. They give you cervical screening only.
I guess anyone could choose to get it tested, privately, given the increased awareness of HPV and oral/throat cancer link. Not sure where exactly. Likely somewhere in London. OWO has become the norm as other posters pointed out, the healthcare service would really need to consider offering the HPV throat/oral screening, too.
From Wiki: "STI"
"In 2015, about 1.1 billion people had STIs other than HIV/AIDS. About 500 million were infected with either syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia or trichomoniasis. At least an additional 530 million people have genital herpes and 290 million women have human papillomavirus. STIs other than HIV resulted in 108,000 deaths in 2015"
I was slightly staggered to read STIs could result in deaths. How ignorant I must have been! :(
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I looked online as I automatically assumed that HPVs are STIs. Wiki's sexually transmitted infection does include HPV as STI along with other sites e.g. NHS Choice etc. Not getting tested at sexual health clinic doesn't mean it is not a sexually transmitted infection. Given the seriousness of some HPV strain, it is checked via your normal healthcare service. But they never swab your throat for HPV 6 strain, which is a biggie. They give you cervical screening only.
I guess anyone could choose to get it tested, privately, given the increased awareness of HPV and oral/throat cancer link. Not sure where exactly. Likely somewhere in London. OWO has become the norm as other posters pointed out, the healthcare service would really need to consider offering the HPV throat/oral screening, too.
From Wiki: "STI"
"In 2015, about 1.1 billion people had STIs other than HIV/AIDS. About 500 million were infected with either syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia or trichomoniasis. At least an additional 530 million people have genital herpes and 290 million women have human papillomavirus. STIs other than HIV resulted in 108,000 deaths in 2015"
I was slightly staggered to read STIs could result in deaths. How ignorant I must have been! :(
Well i had a friend who used to pay for the HPV testing privately because of the risks and your right its only really tested via NHS through a smear. Yes you can die from STIs sad but true.
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I?ve always offered OWO but some clients only like oral with a condom so I just pop one on. I?ve never had issues and get my regular checks. I offer rimming and lots of other things too and it?s all very clear on my profile. If it?s a concern for some they just don?t have to book me but It doesn?t affect business.
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I just started a new thread asking about STI experiences. I'm now 100% OW based on experience.
In terms of the risk of losing clients, I don't think it will happen. I think some guys who crave OWO and CIM like to feel that they are dominating me by visibly depositing semen on me. Cum on boobs is a good alternative and I have one client who likes to deposit on my stockinged legs - seems happy with this when he always used to finish off with CIM.
As also mentioned in other posts, some guys actually like the security of a rubber hat.
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It's interesting to hesr others preferences .
I go without for oral but use flavoured gels,My tongue glides on smoothly & taste really nice (using Apple pie toffee or cherry )
If cock dosnt smell too bad I give it a wipe over first
If cock stinks or looks very unappealing I just won't put my mouth to it , I tell some guys to go into the bathroom and wash it as I hate that wee smell and taste I tell them .
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I read recently on a different site that a working girl contracted oral gonorrhoea. She said it could have been anytime in the last 13 weeks since her last tests, in that time she had 26 feedbacks from clients. That?s only the people who left feedback too, so god knows how many! I just worry about that the most.
My clients always leave feedback so I was able to get in contact with everyone I had seen.
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Condoms taste rank tho. Where can you get cheap flavoured ones x
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Condoms taste rank tho. Where can you get cheap flavoured ones x
I think if they dont have lube on them they taste fine i would prefer that to a leaky cock i dont like any precum i do a better blow job with a condom...i really hate leaky cocks so much
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I hate OW with a passion and since the day I started I promised myself I would never offer a service I hate.
I will provide it on request and I'll also do it if a guy's cock looks dodgy in any way.
Yes the risk of contracting something is higher but it's still nowhere near as risky as unprotected vaginal or anal sex.
I get tested once a month.
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I hate OW with a passion and since the day I started I promised myself I would never offer a service I hate.
I will provide it on request and I'll also do it if a guy's cock looks dodgy in any way.
Yes the risk of contracting something is higher but it's still nowhere near as risky as unprotected vaginal or anal sex.
I get tested once a month.
Is it because you dont like the taste or feel of the rubber in your mouth on your tongue?
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I also hate OW because of the taste and texture of condoms, though Mates Naturals aren't too bad. I think I do it about once a year - I'd rather not do oral at all, or give them a good wash beforehand.
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Condoms taste rank tho. Where can you get cheap flavoured ones x
Savers, really cheap adore fruity !
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Is it because you dont like the taste or feel of the rubber in your mouth on your tongue?
It's mainly the tiny bellend bit catching on my tonsils.
I do deep throat on the regular. I love giving oral. But that tickly bit in my throat? Nah.
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It's mainly the tiny bellend bit catching on my tonsils.
I do deep throat on the regular. I love giving oral. But that tickly bit in my throat? Nah.
Aah i see thats why. The worst condoms i used was years ago the horrible mates ones with horrible numbing lube on them that had a vile taste. I have used the flavoured condoms but prefer to buy one for all so just normal ones with no lube just natural ones.
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Here is a new article published this month. This is mainly relating to men and men's risks, but some relevant info.to us, too.
Looks like there is no effective Oral HPV test at present, whilst smear test is only to detect the cervical pre-cancer cells.
There is no discussion re. the safety of passing HPV via reversal oral either. As we are a high-risk group (given the "unusually" high number of oral sex partners, I would be interested in this type of oral HPV test. "If it happens down below...why it wouldn't elsewhere...?" We have known that curable STIs may/might happen in one's throat. It's not a zero-risk whilst we wish that was the case. Russian roulette comes to my mind. What I dislike about this is that how do I explain it to a consultant if I ended up with this trouble and if he asks me how many oral sex partners have I had in a year?
Understanding personal risk of oropharyngeal cancer: risk-groups for oncogenic oral HPV infection and oropharyngeal cancer
G D?Souza T S McNeel C Fakhry
Annals of Oncology (Oxford Academic)
Published: 19 October 2017
"Human papillomavirus (HPV) is the most commonly sexually transmitted infection in the United States. HPV now causes ∼70% of all oropharyngeal squamous cell cancer (OPC) in the United States [1] and the incidence of HPV-related OPC (HPV-OPC) among men has more than doubled over the past 20 years [2]. Indeed, OPC is projected to be more common than cervical cancer in the United States by 2020 [3]. Given the ?epidemic? of HPV-OPC, there is interest in identifying specific groups that could benefit from screening, if effective tests were developed.
Sexual behaviors responsible for exposure to oral HPV infection are common (80% of the US population reports ever performing oral sex) [4]. Given the ubiquitous exposure to HPV infection and resulting anxiety [5], there is interest in identifying healthy individuals most at risk for development of OPC. As oncogenic oral HPV infection is the precursor to malignancy, identification of individuals with oncogenic oral HPV infection may point to individuals with premalignant disease. Such risk triage could both inform screening approaches and assist the public in understanding personal risk. This analysis therefore aims to understand how common HPV16, oncogenic HPV and HPV-OPC are in groups of people with different risk factor profiles."
academic.oup.com/annonc/article/doi/10.1093/annonc/mdx535/4554825/Understanding-personal-risk-of-oropharyngeal
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It's mainly the tiny bellend bit catching on my tonsils.
I do deep throat on the regular. I love giving oral. But that tickly bit in my throat? Nah.
That was the part that it took me longest to get used to when I stopped doing OWO nine years ago, although it was only three or four weeks before I stopped really noticing it and the process pretty much destroys your gag reflex. That said, I haven't had any tonsils for the best part of forty years :D.
The relief that I wasn't as likely to catch anything and that I no longer had some random blokes body fluids dribbling in my mouth was immediate, and the eventual outcome that I now feel the same revulsion about having some strangers bare cock in my mouth that I would about having it anywhere else inside me took a year or so max :).
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That was the part that it took me longest to get used to when I stopped doing OWO nine years ago, although it was only three or four weeks before I stopped really noticing it and the process pretty much destroys your gag reflex. That said, I haven't had any tonsils for the best part of forty years :D.
The relief that I wasn't as likely to catch anything and that I no longer had some random blokes body fluids dribbling in my mouth was immediate, and the eventual outcome that I now feel the same revulsion about having some strangers bare cock in my mouth that I would about having it anywhere else inside me took a year or so max :).
The random blokes bodily fluids bit is precisely why I wouldn't ever do OWO, I don't even do it in my private life , by the time I have massaged my clients they usually have a puddle of pre cum on their stomach/ the combination of that and skin in my mouth would be enough to throw me over the edge.
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The random blokes bodily fluids bit is precisely why I wouldn't ever do OWO, I don't even do it in my private life , by the time I have massaged my clients they usually have a puddle of pre cum on their stomach/ the combination of that and skin in my mouth would be enough to throw me over the edge.
This is exactly how i feel about it both you and Amy this is my reasons why i dont like doing it. When i worked years back i never ever did it but now i find its so hard so many people want it and expect it so i said i only do it at discretion so hoping to do it with hardly any especially ones that leak pre cum but this situation is awkward and to be honest with you im only back for a certain period as i acheived what i needed to do before with this industry and in all fairness im not looking long term but i know it wont build up many regs by not doing it and less bookings if i wont say i do it by discretion but to be fair i got to the point now where i think fuck it its my life and if i want to earn money then thats how it is less risk and no drippy cock in my mouth.
I think someone else on here said they say discretion but always put a condom on and only do it very rare if its fully inspected..lol
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This is exactly how i feel about it both you and Amy this is my reasons why i dont like doing it. When i worked years back i never ever did it but now i find its so hard so many people want it and expect it so i said i only do it at discretion so hoping to do it with hardly any especially ones that leak pre cum but this situation is awkward and to be honest with you im only back for a certain period as i acheived what i needed to do before with this industry and in all fairness im not looking long term but i know it wont build up many regs by not doing it and less bookings if i wont say i do it by discretion but to be fair i got to the point now where i think fuck it its my life and if i want to earn money then thats how it is less risk and no drippy cock in my mouth.
I think someone else on here said they say discretion but always put a condom on and only do it very rare if its fully inspected..lol
That's me! Because sometimes even if it's clean it's still leaking gooey precum :-X
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That's me! Because sometimes even if it's clean it's still leaking gooey precum :-X
Yes it was i messaged you
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Some of the colours and textures of cum I see when doing handjobs makes me glad I only do OW.
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Some of the colours and textures of cum I see when doing handjobs makes me glad I only do OW.
Me too, I had one yday whose penis smelt of BV, each pull had me heaving :'(
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Just for fun :)
I've just read an article that worth a read ( google)The many benefits of swallowing the truth:
It goes on to list better skin/ hair etc and that many beauty salons are using/ requesting it as an ingredient!
There's also lots of other articles and papers listed underneath written by Drs etc , loads of them spouting the benefits I'm not reading anymore but it was fun !
And I'm not swallowing as I have a reaction to male hormones.
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For the truly iron-stomached (which doesn't include me, and I'm trying not to
retch think about it), a few years ago there was a recipe book :-X.
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Me too, I had one yday whose penis smelt of BV, each pull had me heaving :'(
I hate that fishy smell! I assume they've been barebackig someone with bv and caught it so it's always ow with them even if they offer to wash it again
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I hate that fishy smell! I assume they've been barebackig someone with bv and caught it so it's always ow with them even if they offer to wash it again
The worst thing is he started touching it himself then managed to touch my shoulder, I couldnt wait to get in the shower
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The worst thing is he started touching it himself then managed to touch my shoulder, I couldnt wait to get in the shower
You're lucky he didn't try and put his finger in your mouth ;D, I've had a google of this fishy odour and it's either them catching bv,urine/yeast infection,sti or just unclean. Glad I've always gone ow with them now. OT there's a Christmas lush soap that smells of cum this year with the tag line come
One come all :-\
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For the truly iron-stomached (which doesn't include me, and I'm trying not to retch think about it), a few years ago there was a recipe book :-X.
Yes it actually mentioned that but I didn't put lmao
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I hate that fishy smell! I assume they've been barebackig someone with bv and caught it so it's always ow with them even if they offer to wash it again
Eeeeeuh !
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You're lucky he didn't try and put his finger in your mouth ;D, I've had a google of this fishy odour and it's either them catching bv,urine/yeast infection,sti or just unclean. Glad I've always gone ow with them now. OT there's a Christmas lush soap that smells of cum this year with the tag line come
One come all :-\
I'm going to buy that soap for all of my sw friends for Christmas. They will all find it highly amusing while reading the label!
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I stopped owo a while back when a group of my friends contracted the clap, it's was an eye opener to see how quickly and easily it was passed to the throat. In a couple of cases just 1 unprotected blowjob. No symptoms were exhibited by anyone. So it was only detected by one vigilant individual getting a routine check.
I heard about the drug resistance strains hitting the uk. So decided it was not worth the risk. Annoying because I actually love cum :P
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I offer on my favourite list ,but I don't do in life ,or I do if I see the client patent clean.If I don't offer I have much less client .If they are here don't care when I say I don't do owo ,but if I say on the phone they don't come .I don't like to do owo specially because most of the clients lazy to take shower ,so I put immediately the condom no chance .
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I do OW with new clients but not for some frequent regulars. I used to offer OWO all the time up until about 2 years ago. I have never offered CIM but I had a couple of occasions where guys just came in my mouth without warning. You guys might think this is strange given my chosen profession, but cum makes me gag! I hate in my mouth, even if it is a partner! They have a choice of everywhere else on me, just not in my mouth!
So easier to offer Ow and less accidents! I find I can give a really good deep throat if the confidence of the condom is there!
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I do OW with new clients but not for some frequent regulars. I used to offer OWO all the time up until about 2 years ago. I have never offered CIM but I had a couple of occasions where guys just came in my mouth without warning. You guys might think this is strange given my chosen profession, but cum makes me gag! I hate in my mouth, even if it is a partner! They have a choice of everywhere else on me, just not in my mouth!
So easier to offer Ow and less accidents! I find I can give a really good deep throat if the confidence of the condom is there!
Its not strange at all most woman come into this job purely for money and sometimes desperate situations not many want to suck a bare dribbly cock without protection to men they find repulsive although there is some women that do love this job but most just put on an act. I bet at least 90% of WGs would give up OWO if they would not lose money and have bookings cancelled from not offering the service.
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Its not strange at all most woman come into this job purely for money and sometimes desperate situations not many want to suck a bare dribbly cock without protection to men they find repulsive although there is some women that do love this job but most just put on an act. I bet at least 90% of WGs would give up OWO if they would not lose money and have bookings cancelled from not offering the service.
I think it doesn?t matter. I know if I gave up OWO tomorrow I?d still get bookings as I offer other things too. It would be like Starbucks changing from whole milk to semi-skimmed in their cappuccino people would still buy it or might just want a latte instead.
Not sure I understand but I hope that it?s not implied that OWO=desperate hooker.
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I think it doesn?t matter. I know if I gave up OWO tomorrow I?d still get bookings as I offer other things too. It would be like Starbucks changing from whole milk to semi-skimmed in their cappuccino people would still buy it or might just want a latte instead.
Not sure I understand but I hope that it?s not implied that OWO=desperate hooker.
No did not mean individual services is desperate i meant sometimes women enter the industry from pure desperation. No other option in there mind.
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Its not strange at all most woman come into this job purely for money and sometimes desperate situations not many want to suck a bare dribbly cock without protection to men they find repulsive although there is some women that do love this job but most just put on an act. I bet at least 90% of WGs would give up OWO if they would not lose money and have bookings cancelled from not offering the service.
I was worried that I would lose custom when I switched from owo to ow. I lost a few clients but gained many more. Still have plenty of custom, maybe more than before.
Not sure how many women would prefer not to offer owo but I would guess 90% an overly high estimate.
Fact is you don't need to provide owo to keep custom. Ultimately independent sex workers have control over what services they provide. There's no need for desperation.
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Its not strange at all most woman come into this job purely for money and sometimes desperate situations not many want to suck a bare dribbly cock without protection to men they find repulsive although there is some women that do love this job but most just put on an act. I bet at least 90% of WGs would give up OWO if they would not lose money and have bookings cancelled from not offering the service.
No, I'm in the 10% (more, I strongly suspect) that prefers to give OWO - I hate the texture, smell and taste of a condom in my mouth. If a cock was manky I wouldn't go near it with my mouth full stop.
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I prefer to give OWO too I don't like the taste of a condom!
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I was worried that I would lose custom when I switched from owo to ow. I lost a few clients but gained many more. Still have plenty of custom, maybe more than before.
Not sure how many women would prefer not to offer owo but I would guess 90% an overly high estimate.
Fact is you don't need to provide owo to keep custom. Ultimately independent sex workers have control over what services they provide. There's no need for desperation.
Pleased to hear this as I have just done the same. I'm leaving the industry soon and moving away to a new life and the last thing I need is taking two to three weeks off minimum if a bug catches up with me. Not judging anyone who offers it, I've done it for long enough myself. But now I'm coming to the end of my sex working career the risks outweigh the benefits, and I just get that feeling that the luck of six years of escorting and being clean might catch up with me in my final days. Want to be able to relax in bookings until the end! I have been worried it will affect my clientele but I guess that the ones who can't understand where I'm coming from aren't the sort of guys I want to see anyway. Like you say my service my choice. xx
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I was worried that I would lose custom when I switched from owo to ow. I lost a few clients but gained many more. Still have plenty of custom, maybe more than before.
Not sure how many women would prefer not to offer owo but I would guess 90% an overly high estimate.
Fact is you don't need to provide owo to keep custom. Ultimately independent sex workers have control over what services they provide. There's no need for desperation.
This is good to hear that its not made much difference to your income. I know it has with some in the past and i know they ended up going back to offering it as they felt they had not much choice and wanted the money but i think they probably needed to find new custom rather then trying to hang on to ones that made them feel bad.
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Kay and lush i get the plastic condom in mouth it is a bit foreign the funny thing is i actually do a better blow job with the condom because i think i can perform better as no gooey bits etc so i have more confidence.
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Pleased to hear this as I have just done the same. I'm leaving the industry soon and moving away to a new life and the last thing I need is taking two to three weeks off minimum if a bug catches up with me. Not judging anyone who offers it, I've done it for long enough myself. But now I'm coming to the end of my sex working career the risks outweigh the benefits, and I just get that feeling that the luck of six years of escorting and being clean might catch up with me in my final days. Want to be able to relax in bookings until the end! I have been worried it will affect my clientele but I guess that the ones who can't understand where I'm coming from aren't the sort of guys I want to see anyway. Like you say my service my choice. xx
I totally get what your saying with the risks not being worth it anymore.
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I totally hate OW, but after contracting the clap, it looks like it's no more OWO for me.
Not harmed business in any way, I'm currently scared to log on to AW as there's so many booking requests and I'm still off. :FF
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I offer on my favourite list ,but I don't do in life ,or I do if I see the client patent clean.If I don't offer I have much less client .If they are here don't care when I say I don't do owo ,but if I say on the phone they don't come .I don't like to do owo specially because most of the clients lazy to take shower ,so I put immediately the condom no chance .
Very bad practice and I'm sure they do care ::)
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I avoid men, who visited Thailand and countries known for bareback sex tourism. There was one guy, who said to me, "my ex and I are going to Thailand and then such and such". I didn't believe he was going there with his "Ex".
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I totally hate OW, but after contracting the clap, it looks like it's no more OWO for me.
Not harmed business in any way, I'm currently scared to log on to AW as there's so many booking requests and I'm still off. :FF
Me too I hate logging in when I'm off, but check you've locked your diary and got an auto reply on otherwise you can get in trouble
On topic the gum clinic gave me a big warning about OWO last time , said syphillis ( lord spelling) is rife at the moment and can be got by OWO .
Never had that said to me before , they usually say yes you can get something but the risk is low , so I'm re- thinking a little .
The consultants have said the later a nurse said the former so I don't know .
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By the looks Of it the Bareback problem is much worse than I though so that's it for me. I won't be offering owo ever again. I have contracted a couple of oral sti's myself an it hasn't been nice. If I do return to escorting after I've had my baby everything will be protected because at the end of the day we don't have any idea who guys are sleeping with or doing sexual things with without protection. If less girls offer owo it will soon become the norm that many won't expect it, so many expect it as a 'standard' but it's not standard it's also More intimate. I would previously offer cim and swallow but had a few awful experiences and my partner didn't like me offering those services which is fair as they could potentially risk his health also. For my own peace of mind and my partners and my health also it's not something I feel as though I ever want to be doing again.
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By the looks Of it the Bareback problem is much worse than I though so that's it for me. I won't be offering owo ever again. I have contracted a couple of oral sti's myself an it hasn't been nice. If I do return to escorting after I've had my baby everything will be protected because at the end of the day we don't have any idea who guys are sleeping with or doing sexual things with without protection. If less girls offer owo it will soon become the norm that many won't expect it, so many expect it as a 'standard' but it's not standard it's also More intimate. I would previously offer cim and swallow but had a few awful experiences and my partner didn't like me offering those services which is fair as they could potentially risk his health also. For my own peace of mind and my partners and my health also it's not something I feel as though I ever want to be doing again.
Yes the OWO was always considered a extra only some women did it and they would charge extra for that service but now its standard. It is crazy when you think about it because a standard service means now huge risks of STIs and it is abnormal to not offer it now days.
I said this before i think most women would not offer this if they did not think they needed to i do know some on here actually hate the condoms so like doing it but i bet if there was a survey done on all sex workers a high percentage would come back choosing to give it up with business remained the same.
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Yes the OWO was always considered a extra only some women did it and they would charge extra for that service but now its standard. It is crazy when you think about it because a standard service means now huge risks of STIs and it is abnormal to not offer it now days.
I said this before i think most women would not offer this if they did not think they needed to i do know some on here actually hate the condoms so like doing it but i bet if there was a survey done on all sex workers a high percentage would come back choosing to give it up with business remained the same.
Well... I'd bet the opposite. When you take STIs out the the equation, who would want a bunch of condom in their mouth instead of human skin?
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When you take STIs out the the equation, who would want a bunch of condom in their mouth instead of human skin?
When it comes to punters, I would. I don't want some random's bare cock dribbling body fluids anywhere inside me and even the thought gives me the dry boak.
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Well... I'd bet the opposite. When you take STIs out the the equation, who would want a bunch of condom in their mouth instead of human skin?
+1, as I said a few weeks ago. I hate doing OW. I never do CIM, and I would wipe if there was any pre-cum or they'd been to the loo just beforehand. If someone's hygiene was bad, there would be no oral at all, period.
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When it comes to punters, I would. I don't want some random's bare cock dribbling body fluids anywhere inside me and even the thought gives me the dry boak.
+1
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Well... I'd bet the opposite. When you take STIs out the the equation, who would want a bunch of condom in their mouth instead of human skin?
I am going on the fact years ago i used to know lots of working girls and none of them wanted to suck a punter without but obviously that is not the whole community.
But yes i would prefer plastic rubber in my mouth to leaky pre cum. I have tried it and the leaky juices makes me want to gag i really really hate it if they have pre cum but each to there own like you said some like that.
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When it comes to punters, I would. I don't want some random's bare cock dribbling body fluids anywhere inside me and even the thought gives me the dry boak.
Spot on that is how i feel about there fluids being in my mouth i have done it couple of times and feel sick from it. I much prefer customers that do not leak at all less mess all round. Lol
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I suppose we all have our preferences. I would far rather have pre-cum than saliva on me!
(Just had to tell a guy today "Do NOT spit on anyone without asking, dude.")
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When it comes to punters, I would. I don't want some random's bare cock dribbling body fluids anywhere inside me and even the thought gives me the dry boak.
Yep and preferences are not the main factor for me.
Every time I think about going back to it I slam up against the fact that there?s more risk that was previously thought with OWO, sexual health trumps everything for me.
I?m considering not offering RO also.
Spitting: also gross.
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I suppose we all have our preferences. I would far rather have pre-cum than saliva on
(Just had to tell a guy today "Do NOT spit on anyone without asking, dude.")
Spitting is just low and disrespectful i had 1 man once do that to me because i was doing a bit of role play as soon as he did it i said what do you think you are doing do not ever do that again. He was like i am so sorry i thought you might like that. How many people would actually like that not many.
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Yes the OWO was always considered a extra only some women did it and they would charge extra for that service but now its standard. It is crazy when you think about it because a standard service means now huge risks of STIs and it is abnormal to not offer it now days.
I said this before i think most women would not offer this if they did not think they needed to i do know some on here actually hate the condoms so like doing it but i bet if there was a survey done on all sex workers a high percentage would come back choosing to give it up with business remained the same.
Its unprotected oral that is spreading the drug resistant gonnorhea according to the WORLD HEALTH ORGANISATION, so you would be wise to stop it, no amount of money can ever be worth catching an untreatable STI, to add to this, anyone who gets it would be forced to do OW, otherwise they would passing it to every client they get.
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I'm thinking of only offering OW from now on. One thing that confuses me, is if a guy has gonorrea or chlamydia there is a good chance he has it orally as well. So if I'm doing OW that will protect me from catching it orally, but the second he does oral on me surely he will transmit it that way?
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It's not easy to get, say, chlamydia via receiving cunnilingus. It's also not true that if they have a case in their urethra, they're likely to have one in their throat. They might, but as it usually doesn't have any symptoms, no-one can be sure about the incidence.
But, as ever, it depends on your attitude to risk and how valuable what you're considering giving up is.
There are plenty of clients who are fine with OW. I suspect fewer will be interested in covered RO.
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Oral With only. For ever and ever.
Yes a lot of SPs offer OWO but I see it the same as Bareback. I have caught chlamydia from oral before.
Way before I even became a sex worker.
And no amount of money in the world will make me risk my health.
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I never offered owo. I admit I would be much busier if I did as many clients ask for it when calling and therefore don’t book. But that’s ok i still do well
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Hi everyone,
So I think I'm going to take the plunge and switch from OWO to OW as after receiving a severe warning from the sexual health nurse at my last STI check (about the risk and the risk of a client coming for me claiming I gave him something) I just don't think it's worth the risk. Plus, I'm now dating someone who knows what I do and think I love him and the thought of passing anything on to him makes me feel physically sick. Plus, I think I will feel better and a lot happier just doing OW as there's always that worry in the back of my mind that I could catch something
I'm just really worried about a drop in business from doing this as I offer a GFE and no anal or anal play so it's quite vanilla really. I will still offer reverse oral and offer just oral.
I am thinking of writing a blog post where I explain why I am no longer offering this service (as a lot of my clients have wives and imagine if I passed something onto them and they passed it onto their wife)?
Just not sure how to go about marketing this and whether anyone has had an experience of switching from OWO to OW and whether they noticed a drop in business?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated
Thanks
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I personally do OWO, but I understand that customers who seek exclusively OWO, they will be replaced by customers seeking OW.
I do not know if this makes you have fewer reservations, but you will probably have a change of clientele.
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It's so long since I stopped doing OWO I can't find the thread I posted at the time but it's here somewhere (and there are others) :).
Basically it's exactly what Mirian said; punters for whom OWO is a deal breaker obviously won't book but then punters who want OW (and not just that but don't want to see somebody who does OWO at all) will replace them. I don't do reverse oral either.
I did write a blog post but not in an explanatory way, just to state that I was no longer offering the service - I did honour the handful of advance bookings I had and I also made sure that I told regulars when they booked since they often won't look at your ads that much. You don't need to explain your reasons for doing anything :).
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I don't see a problem for new clients so long as your advertising is clear, but you will have to tell all your regulars, and you may lose a few.
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I don't see a problem for new clients so long as your advertising is clear, but you will have to tell all your regulars, and you may lose a few.
You'll lose a few, but I found at least half of those few eventually came back. I didn't miss a single one of those who didn't.
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Hi Amy,
Thanks for the advice.
I am now a touring escort and would like to see three clients a day. Do you find that you get this? And did you find that your business dropped temporarily when you initially started offering just OW? Changed it today from OWO at discretion to OW (in a location I've been in for a couple of days) and business has literally been dead, I've not had one serious booking so I am genuinely worried. Going to stick it out for a few days though. Not sure how many guys care, whether they would still choose to see you for you, as you are still offering a GFE despite a lack of OWO? Emailed an advance booking for this month to ask him if he is OK with OW and he sent me a very arsey and nasty email saying I am far more at risk etc etc. And he likes OWO blah blah blah.
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Hi Amy,
Thanks for the advice.
I am now a touring escort and would like to see three clients a day. Do you find that you get this? And did you find that your business dropped temporarily when you initially started offering just OW? Changed it today from OWO at discretion to OW (in a location I've been in for a couple of days) and business has literally been dead, I've not had one serious booking so I am genuinely worried. Going to stick it out for a few days though. Not sure how many guys care, whether they would still choose to see you for you, as you are still offering a GFE despite a lack of OWO? Emailed an advance booking for this month to ask him if he is OK with OW and he sent me a very arsey and nasty email saying I am far more at risk etc etc. And he likes OWO blah blah blah.
If you not sure whether the OW is the reason it is quieter test it out by changing it back to OWO at discretion and just do not do any without you do not have to if it says discretion. It is not ideal long term to do that but maybe you are worrying over nothing and it is just quieter?
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If you not sure whether the OW is the reason it is quieter test it out by changing it back to OWO at discretion and just do not do any without you do not have to if it says discretion. It is not ideal long term to do that but maybe you are worrying over nothing and it is just quieter?
A lot of men do not care about the risks from OWO and mostly the married ones they still want it without so no thought for there wife but if they did catch something they soon be angry blaming us when it is there fault for risking it in relationship where there wife has no choice and is put under risk without her consent.
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Hi OP, as an indie I never did OWO and did fine. You will find that guys want to see you for you, and as other people have said, there are plenty of clients who actively want OW and will choose you for that reason. I currently work in a parlour set up where OWO is meant to be standard but I've been popping a condom on before going down and nobody has complained so far. If you want to keep OWO at discretion on your likes list without actually doing OWO, my advice is give loads of eye contact as you're unwrapping the condom and keep them focussed on you. 9 times out of 10 they won't notice or complain.
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Hiya
I have offered OW from the start and it’s hasn’t been an issue in the slightest.
Some clients state they’ve specified OW in their AW searches.
I don’t tend to perform much oral as it goes. Idk if that is because it’s OW so they’re not arsed about it getting a blowy with a rain hat on. But clients with whom I’ve discussed this with have stated they feel safer with an OW provider.
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after receiving a severe warning from the sexual health nurse at my last STI check (about the risk and the risk of a client coming for me claiming I gave him something)
Presumably she was able to tell you of her personal experience of passing on an STI to a client orally and he then "came after her"? Yeah thought not. She'd have got a right cat's bum face from me, if she is this judgmental she shouldn't be working in a GUM clinic.
That aside it's your choice so if it's what you want then great. I'd go with a PP's suggestion of putting it "at discretion" for now. If you want an excuse once they're in the room you could say you'd just burned the roof of your mouth badly on a scalding hot drink and therefore it's not safe to do OWO. That would let you assess whether it's OWO not being available which has caused a downturn in business.
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Personally, I don't offer OWO... it's never been an issue for me.
In future, you could put the condom on with your mouth and make it part of the routine. Hold it in your mouth with the teat facing inwards, then roll it down his shaft with your hands. You could use your lips but that's not easy without making contact. I usually use both... swallowing the shaft as I roll down with my hand. They seem to like that.
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I guess if I stopped owo I'd loose many clients but there are always other things I don't do and guys still book.
I do ow for clients who request it .I keep flavoured condoms in stock
Loads of escorts offer all kinds of services I don't do but I still got work from day 1.
Sure I would have been busier had I done cum anal bare back but it wasn't something I'd want to try.
As regarding mentioning health screening I'd just tell individual clients if it came up in conversation.
I wouldn't blog it but it's up to you Animalandearthlover .
It's what your comfortable with that matters .
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Hi everyone
Thanks for all of the advice
I suspect it may just be quiet as I returned to an area I had toured two days prior thinking it may be lucrative again but I won't be making that mistake again! Two days at a time seems to be my best bet
But I'm definitely going to try it out for the next few days with just OW, especially as I will be moving tour locations soon
Thanks again
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Hey everyone, so I have been escorting 5 years, fairly low volume majority of clients are regulars. I offer OWO, I don't do bareback or anal. I recently tested positive for oral gonorrhea, (negative for vaginal), this has blown my world apart, I have been so upset and haven't worked since. Treatment has been successful quick injection and four antibiotics and an all clear a week later. However I am now very reluctant to offer OWO, I have used a contact service to notify most of my clients (clients that have seen someone else subsequently, so it wasnt obvious it was me) however not all of them can be contacted. (Incidentally my regular partner tested negative). I had no symptoms, and worryingly the culture was resistant to the antibiotic tablets (the injection cleared it though). I have done lots of reading about it, OG does clear up in a lot of incidences itself so maybe if I had swabbed a couple of months later I would have been none the wiser. Listening to Radio 1 this week every 4 minutes someone is diagnosed with OG or chlamydia, does this mean more of us have it and dont realise as it is generally symptomless and not swabbed as routine? I have built up my business with regular clients, so in one fell swoop I potentially may loose my client base as I will no longer do OWO, fingers crossed I won't, and that I will find more clients that are more safety conscious and only want OW.......makes you think!
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Hey I switched to oral with after 3 years and was fine (touch wood) Good luck x
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A lot of my escort friends don’t do oral without and some like myself offer it, I would like to know some opinions on this. Do you charge extra, do you ask if they want it with protection etc
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As you can see from the thread I have merged this with, this is one of the eternal questions* - along with things like 'how much should I charge?' - where the answer is 'it's up to you (and no-one else)'.
* There are other threads about this too, this one's just the longest...
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I changed to OW only a few months ago, not made any difference to my business, in fact I have had clients contact me because I offer this service. I haven't reduced my rates either.
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Yes I ask if they want protection.
Yes I charge extra for OWO.
I won't do OWO if I don't feel like it.
I get completely checked at the clinic every 3 weeks If I'm doing it often.
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I've never offered OWO and I've been a full time escort for 10+ years. I do really well. I get the odd client to clarify if I do offer it every once in a blue moon and they pass me up on a service but I just don't want to taste their precum or taste their bare cock in my mouth, even if it's just come out of the shower or cleaned by me. My technique with a condom is pretty good and I put on a really good show for clients with extra thin condoms. Most clients prefer me to do protected anyway. If I did offer OWO I would absolutely charge an extra 20 quid on top of my fee because I consider it to be a very specialized service. I think clients are incredibly lucky to receive OWO as a service IMO.
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I occasionally get a client who wants with condom on for bj.
Mostly I do owo I've not ever had a mouth infection and tested often.
I do gently examine the cock when giving hand relief to start if it's looking or smelling foul ill get them to wash it and say I like it clean.
I've refused to go down on some and said it's the condition that I'm concerned about and will use a flavoured condom instead.
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I've never offered OWO and I've been a full time escort for 10+ years. I do really well. I get the odd client to clarify if I do offer it every once in a blue moon and they pass me up on a service but I just don't want to taste their precum or taste their bare cock in my mouth, even if it's just come out of the shower or cleaned by me. My technique with a condom is pretty good and I put on a really good show for clients with extra thin condoms. Most clients prefer me to do protected anyway. If I did offer OWO I would absolutely charge an extra 20 quid on top of my fee because I consider it to be a very specialized service. I think clients are incredibly lucky to receive OWO as a service IMO.
My thoughts exactly. I'm squeamish about tasting and sharing bodily fluids (including saliva, hence no french kissing). It doesn't even matter how clean they are. I enjoy oral so much better when I feel protected, which means they get a better service.
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One more for OW. 1. My healthy is important 2.They are 20min in shower and some of them are still stinky....What they do in the shower??!!!! So big no...
But I am surprise how many man asking for ow....Is it because I have on my profile that I don't offer ow0 or they finally know what they can get?
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The tutti frutti condoms are handy when clients insist on OW.
If they are whiffy and prefer OWO I take them to the handbasin and wash them down myself which oddly enough clients find enjoyable and their willy goes erect.
I get checked regularly every six months and have never caught anything so much as once.
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For me it’s Owo for clients that are circumcised and OW for clients that aren’t.
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Its defo OWO for me. I hate the taste of condoms and provides better service to my regulars.
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With Covid I’ve switched to strictly oral with condom only & much to my amazement, only had 1 client kick up a fuss about it. Some of them weren’t particularly thrilled, but hey, not so politely pointing out there’s a GD pandemic going on shut them up fast enough, & I was busier than a long tailed cat 🐈 in a roomful of rocking chairs🪑this last tour (amazingly).
I also noticed all that crap about how they can’t get it up when there’s a condom involved? Is exactly that ~ CRAP. Y’all did juuuuuust fine🙄when I said it was a requirement, not a problem if you didn’t want to, there’s the door🚪& did I mention there’s no refunds if you choose to leave? *best kitty cat smile*
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With Covid I’ve switched to strictly oral with condom only & much to my amazement, only had 1 client kick up a fuss about it. Some of them weren’t particularly thrilled, but hey, not so politely pointing out there’s a GD pandemic going on shut them up fast enough, & I was busier than a long tailed cat 🐈 in a roomful of rocking chairs🪑this last tour (amazingly).
I also noticed all that crap about how they can’t get it up when there’s a condom involved? Is exactly that ~ CRAP. Y’all did juuuuuust fine🙄when I said it was a requirement, not a problem if you didn’t want to, there’s the door🚪& did I mention there’s no refunds if you choose to leave? *best kitty cat smile*
Interesting thread as I've always offered owo but now feel like a idiot after reading of the STI s you can catch. I imagine celeste that I will get punters moan. But I recently saw that a old regular had seen a local WG that offers BB and I told him because of that it would be ow only if I did a booking with him. He didn't like it and didn't book me in the end. But reading from the ladies that only offer OW and still get work I feel confident to only do OW for my health as its impossible to know if punters always use protection and yes I know even with lovers and sexual partners outside of escorting you can still catch something.
I've only had 2 guys ever insist on OW and no kissing. Easy bookings really but I do hate sucking a condom so I'll have to get something sweet tasting to put on it, Maybe nutella lol.
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Interesting thread as I've always offered owo but now feel like a idiot after reading of the STI s you can catch. I imagine celeste that I will get punters moan. But I recently saw that a old regular had seen a local WG that offers BB and I told him because of that it would be ow only if I did a booking with him. He didn't like it and didn't book me in the end. But reading from the ladies that only offer OW and still get work I feel confident to only do OW for my health as its impossible to know if punters always use protection and yes I know even with lovers and sexual partners outside of escorting you can still catch something.
I've only had 2 guys ever insist on OW and no kissing. Easy bookings really but I do hate sucking a condom so I'll have to get something sweet tasting to put on it, Maybe nutella lol.
LMMFAO @ Nutella. I would be SO there nom nom!!
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OW only would slaughter business for me
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OW only would slaughter business for me
That's a shame Izzy - I didn't find that at all when I stopped offering it (and nor when I stopped offering RO, although I found fewer punters would check the ad for that and I was forever having to tell them). How long did you try it for?
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I didn't do it right when I first started, but very quickly fell into it. After that I stopped for about a month one time but it didn't work for me.
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Hi everyone,
It seems that majority of escorts offer OWO (I talk for the London area). I'm myself an escort and offer OWO too, but some reasons I've been extra paranoid about STIs lately, that's why I've been wanting to reconsider this service lately. However, I feel that if I don't provide OWO anymore I'll get significantly less work.
What do you guys think ?
Do you personally offer OWO ?
If you do offer it, do you perform it on every client ? Have you ever caught any STI from it ?
If you do not offer it, have you lost a lot of clients because of it ?
Thanks
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Merged, since a lot of us have answered this already including me (City of London) :)
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I've always offered owo but I use a flavour gel to make it appealing for me. I've had some few clients want me to put a condom on I hate the feel sucking on it. I do use strawberry or chocolate flavoured ones now much nicer only in taste but not in texture.
I've had guys cocks stink I just wont suck them and have said really you wouldnt suck this from where I'm positioned.
Then told to go wash thoroughly then if ok I'll go ahead.
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I'm City of London based. I am very low volume and only really see regulars.
I offer OWO and as yet, none of my clients have ever asked for OW. That said, I don't think it would effect my business if I took it off the menu. I get tested including throat swabs every three weeks and as yet, have never caught anything either in my working life or my private life.
If I were higher volume and saw more one off/new clients, I probably would take OWO off the menu and stick to OW.