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Re: Overcautious screening?
« Reply #45 on: 10 April 2017, 01:21:29 pm »
It's also worth remembering that some men get really nervous and tongue-tied calling an escort. I never quiz them in depth about my info, but ask if they've seen what I do and don't do, and if I'm not sure give them a brief reminder or ask them if there's anything specific they're looking for.

I'd guess for some men it's an even bigger step to and see a TS, hence they could be even more hesitant and unsure on the phone. It's being able to gauge whether they're genuine despite that.
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Re: Overcautious screening?
« Reply #46 on: 10 April 2017, 04:56:44 pm »
From what I have read and the academic papers and equality and hate crime maps I have read I don't think I'm being overcautious. My questions are basic and really just a check men have read my profile and we're on the same page and they are not going to ask for any funny kinky or unsafe business.

I'm still getting used to the fact guys call me and want sex with me. This is the complete opposite to what I have been used to. I had some confidence wobbles due to my presentation and a few calls I didn't like after a flat week so was completely out of my groove. I let this slip and don't have the money at the moment but will be booking myself into the boutique to get a makeover and want to take new pics and rewrite my profile and review how I screen. There are guys I persist with questioning and others who I have waved through.

I'm nowhere near the cheapest but I'm half the price of younger touring escorts who have flooded in. Why in gods name a man would pick me over the others I have no idea. What I have gleaned from guys is they perceive me as more gentle and kind and I'm not flashing all my junk in their face. It does gut me out when my phone doesn't ring. I like having visitors and feel unwanted when I don't get any.

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Re: Overcautious screening?
« Reply #47 on: 11 April 2017, 03:50:34 pm »
You're trans, which puts you at a higher risk of violence, plus you're a sex worker so the two do put you in danger. There are many documented cases of men suddenly turning violent after sex with a trans woman because of some kind of perceived emasculation so you're not being paranoid. That's not to say you can't work, as there are many successful trans escorts out there. Instead of asking about escorts they've seen, could you simply ask if they're aware you're trans, and that they're happy with that?

This job isn't easy and to keep yourself sane you have to assertive and not get overwhelmed easily. It sounds like you have a lot on your plate, and suffering from suicidal ideation makes you really vulnerable (which is the worst position you want to be in if you encounter dodgy clients). Maybe now you should focus on looking after yourself first? I know that's not ideal because you need money to live - are there any other options for you to get your income?

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Re: Overcautious screening?
« Reply #48 on: 11 April 2017, 05:29:18 pm »
You're trans, which puts you at a higher risk of violence, plus you're a sex worker so the two do put you in danger. There are many documented cases of men suddenly turning violent after sex with a trans woman because of some kind of perceived emasculation so you're not being paranoid. That's not to say you can't work, as there are many successful trans escorts out there. Instead of asking about escorts they've seen, could you simply ask if they're aware you're trans, and that they're happy with that?

This job isn't easy and to keep yourself sane you have to assertive and not get overwhelmed easily. It sounds like you have a lot on your plate, and suffering from suicidal ideation makes you really vulnerable (which is the worst position you want to be in if you encounter dodgy clients). Maybe now you should focus on looking after yourself first? I know that's not ideal because you need money to live - are there any other options for you to get your income?

This is a very good comment covering the issues from top to bottom. The catch is trans healthcare can be very expensive and that trans people can and do suffer from more workplace discrimination and unemployment which makes economics very difficult. I can't afford to go private or abroad, and very definitely can't afford face surgery which I know I need and will be very effective, as well as other medical interventions. What can I do when a doctor doesn't respect my narrative and is invasive or insults me or is lazy and cannot be bothered to do the job they are paid for?

I'm not asking to be super cute or indulge sex fantasies. I want to be ok enough so I can live with myself and have the same normal life and chances as any other woman.

I'm procrastinating but slowly and steadily getting back to my feet. My place is clean and tidy (and getting cleaner and tidier). I have new LED lights for the first time ever (!!!!!!) and my new wardrobe. I've half re-covered my old office chair and ready to finish the seat. I've done the last of the drilling and filling and just need to finish and sand this smooth ready for decorating. I have enough money set aside to cover my electricity bill. (This last item is a huge relief.) I've totally botched up the past few weeks and don't have enough money to get my makeup done at the boutique and buy everything I need but I've got foundation matches and had a chat so ready to visit when I can. So lots of pluses!!!

I had another first timer phone me today. He said he was really just breaking the ice and was terrified blah blah. I explained a few things to him like I always like to begin with tea and a chat and give clients time to relax and feel comfortable and treat visiting as no more than visiting a neighbour or friend. I also explained a few things about sex along the lines of if it's rushed or hurts or he feels the need to use poppers he's likely doing sex wrong. I doubt he will phone back. He may spend years wondering and like some older clients especially have his regrets he never acted on this when he was younger. He's terrified? Yikes! I'm the one wearing a dress and utterly petrified of the wrong kind of client who may take things very badly.

I don't believe doctors or clients (or healthcare or sex work industry) are any different. It cross my mind as a trans sex worker I'm doing the job other people should be doing (like sex or relationship therapists) only how we go about things is different. Its' crossed my mind to train as a therapist and retain sex work as a USP but not for the NHS. They care about trans as much as agencies care for sex workers which is not a lot.

Trans men aren't very visible. I noticed a trans man on the free cams last week and said hi. He wasn't especially friendly and sitting on his couch like a fat lump who just wanted sex. OK. I'm not going to bother him and this is his business. I was just being friendly.  :)

There is only so much I can disclose (for legal reasons to avoid prejudicing a possible court case) but I phoned up the NHS clinic I used to attend today. This will be the fourth time I was trying to speak with the head clinician who says very nice things in public. The call didn't go well as after a dodgy line and my phoning straight back admin staff put me straight to answerphone. I waited just in case they phoned back but they didn't and I got the answerphone again. On both occasions I said I wanted to speak with the head clinician and believed staff were deliberately obstructing me. I then phoned NHS PALS and explained how my funding for a private practice doctor had been scotched by a typo nobody in the NHS will admit or accept responsibility for in spite of my having the headed documents proving it exists (and email confirmation that no trace of multiple funding applications exists on the system for the whole period as if they have been "lost" or deleted". I also outlined how I had been abused by my specialist and GP practice. The clinic later phoned back. I queried this and PALS hadn't yet contacted them. They avoided my wanting to speak directly with the head clinician and interrupted me when I was explaining their role in scotching my funding because of a spelling mistake, interrupted me when I told them no evidence exists on the system, and didn't like my saying they had no consent from me to dig into my records. I alleged this was a second tranphobic incident and they continued to sohovel me out the door then end the call. I phoned NHS PALS straight back and reported this too them. NHS PALS confirmed they hadn't yet contacted the clinic. I told them I believed this was another transphobic incident and staff were covering up for abuse by the doctor I saw and other staff abuse and their mistakes. I also said I believe they were taking advantage and twisting my call to enhance their own position and punch me down so I was a third class citizen. I emphasised I am standing up against NHS transphobia and will resist this being swept under the carpet. I gave examples of double standards and examples of the exact same abuse happening with cisgender women and doctors racing to save the day when abuse allegations are exposed in the media. I'm not going quietly and know how they abuse patients and how they get away with it and now want the case to be held under the watchful gaze of the public eye in public and with other trans people and relevant academic experts. The woman at NHS PALS said she wouldn't allow staff at the clinic to roll her over. She seemed nice and she is busy and I'm sure she will make up her own mind about things and do her best but so have other women. The problem is too much abuse of power and meddling behind closed doors. If anything positive happens this will be a first.

I want the trans healthcare I need and don't believe doctors who go yeah yeah. They all behave like wham bam thank you ma'am merchants who disappear without paying.My insisting on getting my funding for everything I need signed off first before being slammed through inadequate healthcare which puts me at risk as pretty reasonable I thought and completely within policy and guidelines and international standards. They just don't want to do the work or pay for it.

My phone has otherwise been dead. I couldn't even give sex away at the moment.
« Last Edit: 11 April 2017, 06:34:24 pm by Tickle »

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Re: Overcautious screening?
« Reply #49 on: 11 April 2017, 06:08:16 pm »
Tickle you might want to edit your last post to remove the name of the clinic.

I understand that sex work is a potentially quick way to earn the funds you need for surgery. However, is the emotional and mental cost bearable?

Are there any local support services - either for sex workers or for LGBT people - that you can access? Just speaking to people who know the battles you're facing can be a massive support.

If you are in an area where there are poor support services, is it possible to consider moving somewhere you'd be better supported? Big cities are more expensive to live in, yes, but the advantage of having easily accessible and non judgmental healthcare and peer support groups is invaluable.
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Re: Overcautious screening?
« Reply #50 on: 11 April 2017, 07:03:24 pm »
Tickle how about joining bupa? the NHS has got some flaws. It's a proven fact in the media. ,,I don't trust the NHS.

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Re: Overcautious screening?
« Reply #51 on: 11 April 2017, 07:25:24 pm »
Tickle you might want to edit your last post to remove the name of the clinic.

I understand that sex work is a potentially quick way to earn the funds you need for surgery. However, is the emotional and mental cost bearable?

Are there any local support services - either for sex workers or for LGBT people - that you can access? Just speaking to people who know the battles you're facing can be a massive support.

If you are in an area where there are poor support services, is it possible to consider moving somewhere you'd be better supported? Big cities are more expensive to live in, yes, but the advantage of having easily accessible and non judgmental healthcare and peer support groups is invaluable.

Whoops! I have edited this to "clinic" to anonymise the text.

There is help in theory but in practice not much help at all. I have to do everything myself. I can make sense of things for myself but battling through psychological damage and trauma and professional inadequacy and the fact that whoever I see may not realise the significance of something or argue over a line of policy even when I correct them or not having the time to read and comprehend even one book of guidelines when there is little to know meaningful training or case law is horrendous. I have loads and loads of equivalent examples in my case notes which clearly indicate what went wrong but the problem is the second I say it's a transgender issue it's like I become open season for mistakes or over-reacting or being shovelled to the back of the queue.

I was given the name of a lawyers organisation by a trans organisation. I asked them for help and said if all else fails this is a European Convention article 13 (remedy) issue and current European legal guidelines say where a healthcare dispute arises in all cases a trans person is entitled to court remedy. The head of this organisation panicked and said they didn't know any lawyer who could take this case. This is just one item out of 70 pages of discrimination logs. The trans organisation basically said oh dear before dumping me a second time (after they said they wouldn't let me be dumped after I complained they had dumped me the first time).

MIND are helping me but I have to write whatever it is I have to write up for them. I don't know what to say because it's too much and too distressing. I just want my healthcare without being blocked or abused or delayed any more and I've been stamped on for five nearly six years.

I've phone Stonewall and they hijacked my story and took it over and turned it into a gay issue writing me out. I sent all my stuff to Pink news and they ignored it. When I was suicidal I phoned LGBT switchboard. I asked them to phone Pink news on my behalf and tell Pink news what they advised me because Pink News won't listen to me. They said no because of policy. I bet if I was a gay man it would be front page news like a shot.

I'm not too bugged about sex work. It's my appearance which is getting to me. I need my healthcare and the lack of healthcare is affecting me. I've also had clients confuse issues and with clients I've declined they've said a few things they shouldn't on the phone. I can manage this but I cannot avoid the fact I haven't got my healthcare and this lack of healthcare is putting me at additional risk and creating and compounding stresses I shouldn't have. I can't relax or be around clients in the way I like without my healthcare and this rubs my nose in it so I feel worse. I would be similarly disadvantaged with a normal job or when looking for a normal relationship and having a normal and healthy sex life which is part and parcel why I have wound up where I am. I didn't choose this work but I'm not complaining either. I'm suffering more either way when I shouldn't have to when this suffering is avoidable.

A trans woman who was also a sex worker on the site I'm on was also a lawyer and ended up being pushed in front of an Underground train and died by another spiteful trans with issues. After she died all the lawyers said how wonderful she was but she was terrified of them and what they would do to her career if they discovered she was trans which is why she hid being trans. I don't want to wind up like her or the trans woman who was discovered in Bristol who had died alone. I also don't want to wind up so pressured I snap like two cases I have in my notes of women who had mental issues (which I don't have).

I understand academically systemic abuse and office politics but I don't have the practical or psychological wherewithal to manage this. I'm not stupid and know exactly what is happening and what did happen. I'm not inarticulate or insensitive. I just lack whatever magic thing or something whatever it is. This happened when I was seven at school. There's something about my development or some cocktail of circumstances which doesn't fit with with authoritarian regimes and don't rock the boat. I lack the whatever it is in my middle brain and I told a doctor this and this doctor later abused and threatened me and completely ignored my telling them they were in breach of GMC regulations and had lied and were harming me and had done critical damage. Another member of staff was in the room at the time and they just sided with the doctor because they are staff. They promised to help me or something after we left and had a very embarrassing scene in the middle of reception but they dumped me too. I read of a GP practice who ignored a patient who had an accident right outside the building. This is how appalling the NHS is when an incident happens right under their noses and this is exactly what they are doing to me. When a bomb went off outside the GMC headquarters all the doctors charged out to be heroes. I think doctor have a problem and don't know why but they are picking on me. I know what I need and want and don't need them to tell me and like one cop who was a trans woman said to me they are not used to it. I also suspect doctors want broken victims they can rush in to save. I have collected evidence that doctors are similarly abusing women with thyroid issues or lesbians. If this level of abuse is happening with cisgender women what is happening to me is equally appalling and I have been making a stand against this and they don't like it.

As for sex work the majority of clients I have seen or who phoned me have been very nice. There's a few oddballs I wouldn't really choose to be around and certainly wouldn't marry. Only a handful have been iffy and I'm fairly sure I manage to catch these.

I want my healthcare and to go out on a  real date or out with friends properly. I did my best but I'm rubbish at sex work. I only ever had sex once in my entire life before beginning sex work. I don't have a clue.

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Re: Overcautious screening?
« Reply #52 on: 11 April 2017, 07:37:13 pm »
Health care services are extremely poor for everyone at the moment , in fact I'd go as far as totally appalling.

It's virtually impossible for anyone to get through to most GP surgeries , lines are jammed etc and I've been on the receiving end of some very bad practise myself recently and only just able to consider working again.

Where I live thousands of people are under the care of just a few GP's mine has 4 Dictors and not far short of 15,000 patients .

You can google your practise and find out .

On topic , your screening does seem extreme but that's your choice but if ( you've mentioned a few times) you insist your bookings have a cup of tea etc it may well be off putting , some clients don't want all the faffing about ,especially as this instead of relieving the awkwardness for you ,may well enhance it for them.

Also asking personal questions regarding their experience etc may not help.

I'm not large , not that it matters but calling someone a 'fat lump' isn't nice ,even more so when you are so sensitive to any perceived criticism yourself.

You also said something along the lines of feeling unwanted if your phone doesn't ring , you need friends ( I'm aware of your other posts) . This is a very isolating job and you need an outlet to vent your feelings in person and come to terms with who you are and your goals etc.

Clients are not your friends they're paying for a service and not to make you feel better.

Please be kind to yourself , get out of the house and make some friends , people can be very kind if they know your feeling fragile.

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« Reply #53 on: 11 April 2017, 07:40:42 pm »
Posted before I could read the long post above .

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« Reply #54 on: 11 April 2017, 07:43:17 pm »
On topic , your screening does seem extreme but that's your choice but if ( you've mentioned a few times) you insist your bookings have a cup of tea etc it may well be off putting , some clients don't want all the faffing about ,especially as this instead of relieving the awkwardness for you ,may well enhance it for them.

Also asking personal questions regarding their experience etc may not help.

I'm not large , not that it matters but calling someone a 'fat lump' isn't nice ,even more so when you are so sensitive to any perceived criticism yourself.

You also said something along the lines of feeling unwanted if your phone doesn't ring , you need friends ( I'm aware of your other posts) . This is a very isolating job and you need an outlet to vent your feelings in person and come to terms with who you are and your goals etc.

Clients are not your friends they're paying for a service and not to make you feel better.

Please be kind to yourself , get out of the house and make some friends , people can be very kind if they know your feeling fragile.

Thanks GP. Now we're back on topic can we keep to it, please? It's not just because none of this pertains to the thread topic or this forum, but because I'm concerned about the amount of sensitive and potentially information being posted - I'm on my phone and can't read the above posts.

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« Reply #55 on: 11 April 2017, 08:30:53 pm »
Distress caused by the medical system and and issues with clients I have blocked messaging me are making things unsafe. I have physically switched my phone off. I think this best for now. I cannot currently function safely so am taking a moment out.

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« Reply #56 on: 11 April 2017, 08:44:16 pm »
I switch mine off if I'm not working , plus if your feeling fragile your senses will be 'out' and that will affect your screening , try to relax a bit , take a rest , recharge and then tackle your 'sexy' questions to improve your confidence in your work role  ;)

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« Reply #57 on: 12 April 2017, 02:28:26 am »
Sorry, Tickle, but I find some of the things you say about the NHS ridiculous and paranoid. I've had mostly great - and non-judgemental - treatment for both minor and serious conditions for years (including one of your said thyroid issues). In my family there have also been some let-downs but I still feel overall we get a fantastic service.

Surely this sentence only amplifies why sex work is such a bad idea for you right now?

"I want my healthcare and to go out on a  real date or out with friends properly. I did my best but I'm rubbish at sex work. I only ever had sex once in my entire life before beginning sex work. I don't have a clue." And what a bizarre comment about not marrying them?!

It seems that by 'healthcare' you actually mean feminisation? I don't know what stage you're at, but transitioning is obviously a long and slow process, with lots of checks along the way. I'm sure you're aware you could speed this up by going private - many people are surprised that the NHS funds any gender reassignment surgery at all given its current state.

My advice to you would be to focus on finding a civvy job that keeps a roof over your head and allows you to buy make-up and the other girlie things you seem to want and either go back to square one with the NHS with a more positive attitude (perhaps via a different trust if relocating is an option?) or find the best health insurance scheme to fund the necessary procedures privately.
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« Reply #58 on: 12 April 2017, 08:25:40 am »
Distress caused by the medical system and and issues with clients I have blocked messaging me are making things unsafe. I have physically switched my phone off. I think this best for now. I cannot currently function safely so am taking a moment out.

Maybe you are depressed too tickle it sounds like you are overwhelmed by all this. Life some times has got it's obstacles. Like Kay said I did say bupa also the nhs have got longer waiting times and private put more effort in and treat you with respect giving you there time. I rarely use the nhs after didn't trust them.

Sorry to say but we all need to make choices in life to better the situation. Go private escorting will pay for.

I had a lot of distressed caused by the bank so I have noted dates and times to use in the near future. But be clear on what you are claiming for or it will be viewed as a complaint. Many people complain in life I think these are not taken seriously.

Until you start researching pointing out what gives you the right and their flaws. It holds power over them from trying to bull shit us like all companies do.

Maybe what would help if you asked for support at the doctors can direct you to support services. Not saying here can't help just maybe you need additional support?.

This sounds complex and notice with all this advice on the thread. You are still stuck like from when you first wrote at the top post.

Not too sure what else will help if all this hasn't by now.
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« Reply #59 on: 12 April 2017, 08:42:21 am »
Sorry, Tickle, but I find some of the things you say about the NHS ridiculous and paranoid. I've had mostly great - and non-judgemental - treatment for both minor and serious conditions for years (including one of your said thyroid issues). In my family there have also been some let-downs but I still feel overall we get a fantastic service.

Are you trans? Because if not, this comment is really dismissive. Transphobia in the medical community is rampant and there's still a lot of ignorance from doctors around trans issues. If you aren't met with trans friendly doctors then you'll be treated very poorly, misgendered constantly, potentially abused.

Obviously Tickle's situation is informed heavily on them being trans so honestly I feel like it's very unhelpful and invalidating when cis people here are saying 'well for me it's fine'. We're cis, of course it is. Plus sex work is one of the few industries that are open when finding civie work is so hard with trans discrimination there as well.

I'd second the thought to see if there's any sex work projects or trans support networks in your area?