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General Category => Questions and Answers => Topic started by: curvygrace on 19 July 2015, 12:14:56 pm
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How many escorts actually do outcall procedures - particularly for private addresses?
It seems to me that not many do, and it also seems to me that many punters are put off by requests for letter heads/ landlines.
It is ironic that it it is standard to do hotel security but do none for private addresses when the latter are clearly more dangerous.
My refusal to budge on the matter is losing me work. :FF
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I do outcalls sometimes.
I feel comfortable in private houses just as well as hotels.
I'm a bit lazy to travel though.
Majority of clients have been happy to give landline details.
Many don't have landlines, I don't.
So a lot of vetting may be common sense, gut.
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I've never asked for clients personal details as in bills etc, I understand why some escorts do of course, I've only asked for a landline number and then most of them said no. I've gone on gut instinct and always taken a driver with me. Most clients would have laughed in my face if I'd asked for a bill,
I suppose if they don't mind giving up their real name etc then all good x
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If they don't have a landline and they're not on the electoral roll, then it's a deposit for me as bills/letterheads can be faked.
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I've never asked for clients personal details as in bills etc, I understand why some escorts do of course, I've only asked for a landline number and then most of them said no. I've gone on gut instinct and always taken a driver with me. Most clients would have laughed in my face if I'd asked for a bill,
How can you know they're going to be at the address they've given you, though?
I know there's nothing to stop them booking and then just changing their mind and not opening the door, but I wouldn't even put my coat on until I knew I was going to a pukka address where the person who had contacted me was going to be - my time's worth more than taking a risk like that.
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No one laughed in my face ???
If you never asked, how can you predict the future?
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I think it's just the way I got used to? I don't do outcalls nowadays but did in the past and before I discovered saafe it never crossed my mind to ask for a bill or electoral role proof, on the back of advice here I started asking for these things and yes I did get clients actually laugh and ask if I was serious.
In 10 years of doing outcalls I paid a driver and went on my gut, I had maybe 5or 6 in that period that had wasted my time, I think we put ourselves at risk doing incalls too, I've had more problems with incall jobs than outcall jobs, x
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I have always asked for residency proof, and or a deposit in advance.
I have this explained on my profile, and also stipulate this upfront before going ahead with arrangements.
I have not been laughed at and never had a problem, never had a TW yet.
Yes I did have a lot more problems with incalls, and after a long time did bring in a deposit system for that, which then worked really well for me.
My outcall procedure has also helped me dodge a couple of well known TWs and dangerous punters. I've also read about instances of independents and agencies who do not make such checkes, turning up to find the man not at the property, hiding around the corner or pretending they didn't make the booking. That's ok if you are ok with having your time wasted.
Gut feeling doesn't work for me even after a very long time, I've been wrong about genuine sounding men, and wrong about TW sounding clients.
Some genuine men cancel or don't turn up through genuine nerves, and my experience is that the checks give them more of a sense of commitment.
It's not foolproof but works for me, so I won't be changing what I do.
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How many escorts actually do outcall procedures - particularly for private addresses?
It is ironic that it it is standard to do hotel security but do none for private addresses when the latter are clearly more dangerous.
I do!
I always take a landline number. I've been caught out before and that's because I did not implement thorough security measures when I first started out.
If clients don't want to give out that information then they're not worth seeing; why should WE compromise our safety for ONE Outcall? Safety issues aside, I've had clients who have not been there at the address and who wouldn't answer the door. Guess what? No landline number (surprise surprise!).It's just not worth the drama IMO. That's another reason why I don't travel a huge distance to Outcalls; if it's not within a 30 minute drive, I don't go.
I have had situations where clients have been in mobile homes in caravan parks but they have always given me full information and met me at the gates so I had no problem ever. I vetted them thoroughly though and they were only a 10 minute drive away.
Gut instinct is what we all go on but it is not enough on its own. For example, a lorry driver tried to book me for an Outcall in his cab and my gut instinct told me he was a lovely guy BUT of course I would have to have been mad or desperate to put myself in a potentially dangerous situation.
If clients don't like it they can argue about it until the cows come home. I've managed to avoid dangerous situations because of my vetting procedures and I'm not going to change that.
Stick to your guns, Ivy!
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I understand now Nia...you already tried it.
Yes I agree both have risks.
Got an outcall to a tent once :o...
I verified his phone and bills and it checked out fine.
Don't know how he did it...lots of wires and a landline.
It was a bit of a suprise.
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I totally agree that you should stick to what makes you feel safe, I took risks yes and I'm glad I don't have to rely on outcalls now, if you're turning down money ivy because they won't follow your procedures then I'd advise that you don't dwell on the money, I turn down loads of incalls over small things that niggle me x
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I do outcalls.
Client texts me address and I confirm booking.
Simple as that!
Every outcall I have been on has been a genuine one, maybe I've just been lucky!
If the distance of the outcall is within 30 minutes or less, I don't require a deposit.
Anything over a 30 minute drive, I ask for a deposit by bank transfer/paypal just incase :)
Lola x
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You been very lucky Lola.
You been working 4 months, long may you have the luck of the Irish! ;)
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I also don't ask for proof, might be a stupid thing but in the two and a half years I've been doing this job properly I've never had an issue with out calls to homes. Only once has a client stood me up and he had bad feedback so it was dumb of me to even take the booking. Thankfully I had only stepped foot out my door, and he wasn't answering so I went back in!
I also go by gut instinct and it has never done me wrong, I ask their address and then I search it up on google maps to see its whereabouts etc. And it's not done me any harm yet, we all do things differently I guess!
But I know I have a good gut instinct and can usually tell in a few minutes of a phone call if a guy is genuine or not. X
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I find it hard to put about deposits on my ads, just find it hard not to end up with something that's 4 paragraphs long rather than short and to the point.
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I find it hard to put about deposits on my ads, just find it hard not to end up with something that's 4 paragraphs long rather than short and to the point.
No need to post that on your ad about a deposit hun, I don't!
I only mention a deposit once the client has messaged me for a booking.
I then explain travelling 30-60 mins (or more) for an outcall without ta deposit for fuel/travel time would be needed as there are many timewasters about.
If they are genuine then they won't have a problem with that.
Lola x
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I find it hard to put about deposits on my ads, just find it hard not to end up with something that's 4 paragraphs long rather than short and to the point.
No need to post that on your ad about a deposit hun, I don't!
I only mention a deposit once the client has messaged me for a booking.
I then explain travelling 30-60 mins (or more) for an outcall without ta deposit for fuel/travel time would be needed as there are many timewasters about.
If they are genuine then they won't have a problem with that.
Lola x
Ah ok was just because I sometimes get them saying that there's no mention of deposits on my ad.
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I find it hard to put about deposits on my ads, just find it hard not to end up with something that's 4 paragraphs long rather than short and to the point.
Yes, it takes some careful thinking, I also have a look around at other lady's websites for wording ideas.
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Ok, maybe tell them that's because it's client specific.
Amount of deposit would be different for each client depending on distance and length of booking etc, so that's why its not on there.
I think maybe I've just been really really lucky as never had an issue with it.
Or maybe Welsh guys are more laidback? Lol.
Lola x
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Ok, maybe tell them that's because it's client specific.
Amount of deposit would be different for each client depending on distance and length of booking etc, so that's why its not on there.
I think maybe I've just been really really lucky as never had an issue with it.
Or maybe Welsh guys are more laidback? Lol.
Lola x
I use an amount which is directly related to the booking fee, and add or subtract if the person can't provide address proof, or it's a extra long journey (fees/minimum booking are already related to the distance travelled).
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I've never asked for clients personal details as in bills etc, I understand why some escorts do of course, I've only asked for a landline number and then most of them said no. I've gone on gut instinct and always taken a driver with me. Most clients would have laughed in my face if I'd asked for a bill,
I suppose if they don't mind giving up their real name etc then all good x
I'm with you Nia! I completely relate to this 100%. I've lost work asking for proof before too. I've always gone on my gut and never had an issue. Although, I'm very fussy and I have to be totally satisfied before I head out.
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I've never asked for clients personal details as in bills etc, I understand why some escorts do of course, I've only asked for a landline number and then most of them said no. I've gone on gut instinct and always taken a driver with me. Most clients would have laughed in my face if I'd asked for a bill,
I suppose if they don't mind giving up their real name etc then all good x
I'm with you Nia! I completely relate to this 100%. I've lost work asking for proof before too. I've always gone on my gut and never had an issue. Although, I'm very fussy and I have to be totally satisfied before I head out.
I can of course see the logic in asking but when I discovered that some clients actually provide their personal details I was honestly shocked, as I said I asked twice I think and both guys were horrified x
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I've lost potential bookings, but I have no way of knowing if it would have been an actual booking. Until a client turns up and pays, a booking is not a booking.
Any enquiries who say they can't meet residency requirements have always been replaced by those who can, or incalls, or I've used the spare time for something else.
I rarely receive enquiries from anyone surprised by the request, which I assume is because it's already on my profile.
I've also had quite a few clients tell me they found it reassuring, they felt it gave the impression that I am careful and take my well-being seriously.
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Have put this at the end of my AW ad but its a bit long for those sites which dont have as big a word count.
Please note: For outcalls to private residences you must either have a registered landline (registered in your name and to the address I will be visiting and searchable in the phone book) or be registered in the electoral roll (again this must be for the address I will be visiting and searchable). If neither of these is possible then a deposit payable by bank transfer will be required
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Have put this at the end of my AW ad but its a bit long for those sites which dont have as big a word count.
Please note: For outcalls to private residences you must either have a registered landline (registered in your name and to the address I will be visiting and searchable in the phone book) or be registered in the electoral roll (again this must be for the address I will be visiting and searchable). If neither of these is possible then a deposit payable by bank transfer will be required
Something like "I require proof of residency, or a deposit for outcalls" ?
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Something like "I require proof of residency, or a deposit for outcalls" ?
Thanks Mirror :) Might use that on my AW too (will change the wording slightly) and use my lengthy version in my faqs.
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I wouldn't have even thought to ask for a bill, is that by pic text or email scanned pdf .. :P
Used to use the old 192 but found a free site recently for the electoral role & land line to confirm they are there when I'm around the corner.
Historically, I've had more time wasters doing incalls. I prefer outcalls now, seems to be a better caliber of client!
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I take the booking details and go to the outcall. I don't really do any overly stringent security checks because I only do outcalls 30-45 minutes from my front door. I check their number etc. on NUM and SAAFE but other than that I just go on gut.
My husband says and I agree that even if I did ask for 'proof of residency' there is still no guaranteeing they are not pissing about or wont still be a blowout. My gut is never wrong so I trust that over the land registry any day. A landline or bill wont mean much if you turn up and they still don't answer the phone/door.
I only do outcalls and my routine has rarely let me down in the last 3 years as an independent.
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Much like Teddy, I just take the details and go. Landlines aren't really a thing here anymore, and considering the clients are criminalized in Norway, I doubt you'd ever land an actual job if you asked them for any personal details. It can be hard enough to get them to text from non-hidden phone numbers. ::)
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Great discussion ladies - it's really important the newer girls are aware of these procedures.
I always say to guys, I don't care about your name I just need proof that you are where you say you are - so many are not keen on the idea which is ridiculous.
Can someone give me a link to how you search the electoral register?
Also - with deposits, I only have a paypal in my own name and wouldn't want to give that away. Does anyone use the new Ping stuff or pay via phone number? How easy is it to set up a work account with these things?
Maybe a business bank account is the way forward?
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There's no guarantee the utility bill stuff will work, but it's another hoop for them to jump through and it works in that sense. I ask for that, a deposit if the travel time is ridiculous, on top of the regular stuff like a phonecall beforehand and checking their number. I don't even bother asking for landline number anymore as next to nobody has one these days and it's just a faff, I like the utility bill method a fair bit more. Haven't had any problems, have had clients not come back to me about it but as if I give a shit. I'm not full-time and can easily live on one outcall a week or a fortnight, but I get much more than that (not that I can be bothered to work that often during term time). It's all about the hoops and gut instinct too - The more suspicious I am, the more hoops to jump through.
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-and the guys who don't want to jump through the hoops are instantly suspicious!
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I've always done the utility bill method myself, and found it works okay. I tell them they can block out the name if they want because the name seems less important than the fact that it's an address they get bills at. I guess I can imagine someone completely faking it (ripping one off the internet) but I've found most time wasters just disappear when I ask for any proof.
Obviously, if I'm still suspicious, deposit it is! Deposit seems to have worked pretty well as well.
I don't do too many outcalls though, so it hasn't come up that many times.
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We're all different aren't we? :) I always emphasise their full name must be clearly shown in the photo.
I'm outcall only and have had no problems receiving deposits/ID location. I expect a Client to jump through a basic hoop or two and I appreciate the effort.
When anybody doesn't bother, I have forgotten all about them within the following 10 mins ( such is my recall ) ;D
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We're all different aren't we? :) I always emphasise their full name must be clearly shown in the photo.
I'm outcall only and have had no problems receiving deposits/ID location. I expect a Client to jump through a basic hoop or two and I appreciate the effort.
When anybody doesn't bother, I have forgotten all about them within the following 10 mins ( such is my recall ) ;D
Snap i do mostly outcalls as well and i am exactly the same .........WHO ?