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MissOphelia

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Re: Out of interest - do I qualify as a pimp?
« Reply #45 on: 29 June 2014, 05:45:00 pm »
I hate to say it Ophelia but adult entertainer is just a flowery word for a sex worker.  Walk like a duck, quack like a duck, sure as f**k .........

Join the club, we are still human beings without horns or anything similar, just doing our job .......


How can I be a sex worker if having sex with people isn't part of my work? Maybe I am a wank-facilitator. Heh. I have no problem with sex workers and have thought about it myself but decided against, for now. Mostly I describe myself as a Cam Girl. That description suits me fine.

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Re: Out of interest - do I qualify as a pimp?
« Reply #46 on: 29 June 2014, 06:06:14 pm »
I hate to say it Ophelia but adult entertainer is just a flowery word for a sex worker.  Walk like a duck, quack like a duck, sure as f**k .........

Join the club, we are still human beings without horns or anything similar, just doing our job .......


How can I be a sex worker if having sex with people isn't part of my work? Maybe I am a wank-facilitator. Heh. I have no problem with sex workers and have thought about it myself but decided against, for now. Mostly I describe myself as a Cam Girl. That description suits me fine.

Ophelia, webcammers, strippers, fetish models, porn performers, sensual masseuses and phone chat operators are all sex workers - actually having penetrative sex (vaginal, oral or otherwise) is not the defining factor. There are plenty of people here who don't offer full sex (pro dommes/subs amongst them as well as the massage/hand relief folks) and the law views them in exactly the same way as it does the rest of us, that is, as prostitutes.

Many of the bookings the rest of us 'trad' prossies do don't involve penetration either, but that's by the by. How you choose to define yourself is entirely your concern, but given that this thread was started as a query about legal standing it's important that you're not under any illusions about the actual legal definition.

Anyway, welcome to SAAFE! It's good to have you here, and may you facilitate wanking for a good long while yet :).

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Re: Out of interest - do I qualify as a pimp?
« Reply #47 on: 29 June 2014, 06:43:51 pm »
But you do control who she meets and when, just feels pimpy to me. But then I would never dream of letting another person have control over my business. The fact is you wouldn't get any duo 'work' if it wasn't for you being able to hire pimp her out as well. So you are making financial gains from her sex work (as well as sexual ones) as well as controlling her business.

The concern comes from the high propensity for abuse in these situations. Hence it being illegal.

If I were a copper I'd have you.

Don't ask the question if you don't want an honest answer.

This is the kind of comment I was referring to.

In case you are having difficulty understanding propensity means a likelyhood or potential for something.

That is the concern a copper, mental health worker or social worker would have about this situation. The potential for abuse.

That is not the same as saying it is definitely abusive.


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Re: Out of interest - do I qualify as a pimp?
« Reply #48 on: 29 June 2014, 06:48:13 pm »
I hate to say it Ophelia but adult entertainer is just a flowery word for a sex worker.  Walk like a duck, quack like a duck, sure as f**k .........

Join the club, we are still human beings without horns or anything similar, just doing our job .......


How can I be a sex worker if having sex with people isn't part of my work? Maybe I am a wank-facilitator. Heh. I have no problem with sex workers and have thought about it myself but decided against, for now. Mostly I describe myself as a Cam Girl. That description suits me fine.

Having said that after reading the rest of thread I can't say my concerns aren't completely alleviated.

At least both posters are now in the right place after finding SAAFE. I can't recommend having an in depth read of all the invaluable info on here enough.

MissOphelia

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Re: Out of interest - do I qualify as a pimp?
« Reply #49 on: 30 June 2014, 12:53:52 am »
I hate to say it Ophelia but adult entertainer is just a flowery word for a sex worker.  Walk like a duck, quack like a duck, sure as f**k .........

Join the club, we are still human beings without horns or anything similar, just doing our job .......


How can I be a sex worker if having sex with people isn't part of my work? Maybe I am a wank-facilitator. Heh. I have no problem with sex workers and have thought about it myself but decided against, for now. Mostly I describe myself as a Cam Girl. That description suits me fine.

Ophelia, webcammers, strippers, fetish models, porn performers, sensual masseuses and phone chat operators are all sex workers - actually having penetrative sex (vaginal, oral or otherwise) is not the defining factor. There are plenty of people here who don't offer full sex (pro dommes/subs amongst them as well as the massage/hand relief folks) and the law views them in exactly the same way as it does the rest of us, that is, as prostitutes.

Many of the bookings the rest of us 'trad' prossies do don't involve penetration either, but that's by the by. How you choose to define yourself is entirely your concern, but given that this thread was started as a query about legal standing it's important that you're not under any illusions about the actual legal definition.

Anyway, welcome to SAAFE! It's good to have you here, and may you facilitate wanking for a good long while yet :).

Okay, well if that's your definition then yes. But I define it on slightly different terms. Anyway, I don't find it offensive or anything. I can see how easily I could have gone down that route.

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Re: Out of interest - do I qualify as a pimp?
« Reply #50 on: 30 June 2014, 01:00:16 am »
I hate to say it Ophelia but adult entertainer is just a flowery word for a sex worker.  Walk like a duck, quack like a duck, sure as f**k .........

Join the club, we are still human beings without horns or anything similar, just doing our job .......


How can I be a sex worker if having sex with people isn't part of my work? Maybe I am a wank-facilitator. Heh. I have no problem with sex workers and have thought about it myself but decided against, for now. Mostly I describe myself as a Cam Girl. That description suits me fine.

Having said that after reading the rest of thread I can't say my concerns aren't completely alleviated.

At least both posters are now in the right place after finding SAAFE. I can't recommend having an in depth read of all the invaluable info on here enough.

Basically, my moods are all over the place. It's very hard for me to say in advance how I will feel and to expect me to commit to feeling a certain way at a certain time more than a few days a month is too much. I can cam when I want. not when I don't want, have no guilt or sense of letting anyone down if I take a week off. And I can fund my existence on what I can make in the number of hours I can do per week, unlike most other jobs that would accept me without experience and would bend to fit my needs.

I have a lot of social anxiety, which is related to not understanding the expectations of many social situations. Sex is one of the areas I am compeltely comortable in and I know exactly how to seduce, to inspire, to arouse. I feel confident and that gives me a buzz. And I am so, so open minded. Barely anything shocks or disgusts me so if someone asks for something I'm not into, I have no problem politely refusing without making them feel judged or ashamed. I am an affectionate person and enjoy working out what makes people tick. I can't give my life to this, no. I can, however, give a couple of nights most weeks to my cam, and my cam is successful beyond my dreams and I feel so happy to finally have a way to come off disability benefits. I couldn't cope with being labelled a 'scrounger' or seen as worthless, inept, etc. My clients adore me and I feel like I shine and I am almost totally myself (with the exception of not confessing if I feel a little down- but I won't go on if very down).

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Re: Out of interest - do I qualify as a pimp?
« Reply #51 on: 30 June 2014, 12:43:58 pm »
I hate to say it Ophelia but adult entertainer is just a flowery word for a sex worker.  Walk like a duck, quack like a duck, sure as f**k .........

Join the club, we are still human beings without horns or anything similar, just doing our job .......


How can I be a sex worker if having sex with people isn't part of my work? Maybe I am a wank-facilitator. Heh. I have no problem with sex workers and have thought about it myself but decided against, for now. Mostly I describe myself as a Cam Girl. That description suits me fine.

Ophelia, webcammers, strippers, fetish models, porn performers, sensual masseuses and phone chat operators are all sex workers - actually having penetrative sex (vaginal, oral or otherwise) is not the defining factor. There are plenty of people here who don't offer full sex (pro dommes/subs amongst them as well as the massage/hand relief folks) and the law views them in exactly the same way as it does the rest of us, that is, as prostitutes.

Many of the bookings the rest of us 'trad' prossies do don't involve penetration either, but that's by the by. How you choose to define yourself is entirely your concern, but given that this thread was started as a query about legal standing it's important that you're not under any illusions about the actual legal definition.

Anyway, welcome to SAAFE! It's good to have you here, and may you facilitate wanking for a good long while yet :).

Okay, well if that's your definition then yes. But I define it on slightly different terms. Anyway, I don't find it offensive or anything. I can see how easily I could have gone down that route.

It's not just Amy's definition, it's the legal definition. And I'm not sure what 'route' you're talking about? You are a sex worker, you've gone down that route already. Unless of course you mean the vaginal intercourse route, in which case you have to remember that vaginal intercourse is just one of the many many sex acts that's out there and that I/you/we as a collective offer, and whether any of us engage in it or not, we are still legally classed as sex workers. If you meet people to give them sexual enjoyment - whether or not you even lay a finger on them - in exchange for money, you are legally a prostitute.

By the way, none of this ever has to be disclosed to the taxman, and on your tax returns you can put whatever you want (including "Adult Entertainer") as long as your expenses reflect the job you tell them you do. For example: a "hairdresser" couldn't put condoms through her books, as what does a "hairdresser" need condoms for in her line of work?

Please do read more of Saafe - the main site www.saafe.info and more of the forums. There's lots of info here about legalities, safety, admin, ways of working etc etc etc and this all should help your continuing success on the paid-sex scene :)

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Re: Out of interest - do I qualify as a pimp?
« Reply #52 on: 01 July 2014, 07:50:13 am »
Technically yes its controlling for gain even if the gain is only your part of the fee. The thing is though, EVERY two girl booking thats ever occurred with indies falls into the same category as SOMEONE had to take the booking and a guy can't call both girls at the same time so its a grey area as you are also taking a booking for yourself at the same time. Its not a technical grey area but should something go wrong police wise then it turns into a bit of a grey one because if you were not doing the same booking with her you wouldnt be gaining.

If I were you I would think it best for her to take bookings sometimes too. That way if the shit hits the fan then you are both sitting there saying "we both take bookings for us" . I dont think you can prosecute two people for controlling each other, dont think there is actually a law that covers that.

You also need to be checking with your girl friend before each booking is accepted that she actually wants to do it. When one of you takes the booking the other one needs it followed with a confirmation call that way the client has spoken and agree with both of you.

Saying that, when I did two girls with someone we both took the bookings for each other.
« Last Edit: 01 July 2014, 07:52:30 am by Sassy Slapper »

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Re: Out of interest - do I qualify as a pimp?
« Reply #53 on: 01 July 2014, 07:57:13 am »
Regarding the mental health issue. Sex work may suit her but at the end of the day the authorities will not look at it the same way that you are looking at it. They wills see a mentally vulnerable woman and will question how she started, how she decided to do this, why she does it with you, why she didnt do it before she met you, what has her line of decision making been etc etc and if anything along those decision making lines of hers point to he deciding to do it because of you then you could be in very deep water. People do a lot for love and this is how it will be viewed.

Sorry, I didnt read the whole thread before I posted my previous answer. Saying that though, it also depends on the extent of her illness/s, Its a complicated one because you also have your own issues.
« Last Edit: 01 July 2014, 08:01:41 am by Sassy Slapper »