Author Topic: Out of interest - do I qualify as a pimp? (Read 5226 times)

BlueDomme · « **on:** 27 June 2014, 06:30:15 am »

My girlfriend (as in, romantic partner) sometimes does doubles sessions with me. As of now she doesn't do solos, she might one day when she feels more comfortable, but right now she only does them with me. I'm much better with admin than her so I do all the client communication and sort out times/venues/etc etc, and we split all profit 50/50.

Legally, would this count as controlling prostitution? Is it illegal?

SW · « **Reply #1 on:** 27 June 2014, 09:33:23 am »

I don't claim to know about the legality of it but I do know it screams pimp to me. If I met a lady in that situation I would be concerned for her.

BlueDomme · « **Reply #2 on:** 27 June 2014, 10:23:06 am »

I only do the admin because she wants me to, it's easier for her because [personal stuff]. If she ever wants to do solo sessions, stop doing doubles with me, or do doubles with someone else, that is absolutely fine and I'll support her in it. I never tell a client she'll do anything she hasn't previously told me she's willing to do and communicate with her constantly about what clients are asking for and whether or not she wants to offer that.

I'm possibly being a bit touchy here, but I'm kind of =/ about you suggesting that anyone needs to be concerned about my girlfriend because of my conduct. I feel a little bit like you're implying that I'm abusive or controlling when that is absolutely not the case - she does what she wants, I just help facilitate it sometimes as she can find admin and organisation difficult because [personal stuff]. Apologies if I've misinterpreted your post and am being overly jumpy...

BibiofLeeds · « **Reply #3 on:** 27 June 2014, 10:45:07 am »

I suppose technically it coulod be considered that way but really you are doing duos together which clients are booking through you so not really a pimp or controlling your gf I wouldn't say.

xw5 · « **Reply #4 on:** 27 June 2014, 11:35:19 am »

Quote from: BlueDomme on 27 June 2014, 06:30:15 am

I'm much better with admin than her so I do all the client communication and sort out times/venues/etc etc, and we split all profit 50/50.

Legally, would this count as controlling prostitution? Is it illegal?

Yes, if the shit hit the fan, it would.

She's doing prostitution, you're arranging the times/venues etc, and you're benefiting from it. Yes, they're booking you too (at the moment) but you're still falling under the control aspect - the client is not booking both of you separately, for example.

It's unlikely anyone would care enough to pick you out for unwanted attention, but if you come to attention anyway, this may be dragged into it.

BlueDomme · « **Reply #5 on:** 28 June 2014, 02:27:53 am »

Quote from: xw5 on 27 June 2014, 11:35:19 am

Quote from: BlueDomme on 27 June 2014, 06:30:15 am
I'm much better with admin than her so I do all the client communication and sort out times/venues/etc etc, and we split all profit 50/50.

Legally, would this count as controlling prostitution? Is it illegal?

Yes, if the shit hit the fan, it would.

She's doing prostitution, you're arranging the times/venues etc, and you're benefiting from it. Yes, they're booking you too (at the moment) but you're still falling under the control aspect - the client is not booking both of you separately, for example.

It's unlikely anyone would care enough to pick you out for unwanted attention, but if you come to attention anyway, this may be dragged into it.

That was my thought - if someone really wanted to fuck me over as much as possible, would that be something they could use? Apparently yes.

I suppose a highly excellent lawyer could make an argument that I'm not REALLY benefiting as I only make my regular wage from doubles with her and don't skim off any of her earnings (why would I do that), and I have more work to do with admin/more risk as I pay for venues up front and if we don't get bookings I'll take the financial fall - but much better to just avoid that situation entirely.

Pink~Princess · « **Reply #6 on:** 28 June 2014, 09:35:57 am »

Quote from: BlueDomme on 27 June 2014, 06:30:15 am

My girlfriend (as in, romantic partner) sometimes does doubles sessions with me. As of now she doesn't do solos, she might one day when she feels more comfortable, but right now she only does them with me. I'm much better with admin than her so I do all the client communication and sort out times/venues/etc etc, and we split all profit 50/50.

Legally, would this count as controlling prostitution? Is it illegal?

If/when she starts doing bookings alone, will you still be going 50/50? If so then yes, defo a pimp.

At the moment with you just doing duo bookings then 50/50 is the norm for anyone doing a duo, is it not?

Why not just teach her to do the admin? It's not difficult and then that way nothing can come back on you?

xx

xw5 · « **Reply #7 on:** 28 June 2014, 10:25:39 am »

Quote from: BlueDomme on 28 June 2014, 02:27:53 am

I suppose a highly excellent lawyer could make an argument that I'm not REALLY benefiting as I only make my regular wage from doubles with her and don't skim off any of her earnings (why would I do that), and I have more work to do with admin/more risk as I pay for venues up front and if we don't get bookings I'll take the financial fall - but much better to just avoid that situation entirely.

Gain doesn't mean 'profit' or 'more than you would have got otherwise'. If get anything, it's 'gain'.

SW · « **Reply #8 on:** 28 June 2014, 10:26:47 am »

But you do control who she meets and when, just feels pimpy to me. But then I would never dream of letting another person have control over my business. The fact is you wouldn't get any duo 'work' if it wasn't for you being able to ~~hire~~ pimp her out as well. So you are making financial gains from her sex work (as well as sexual ones) as well as controlling her business.

The concern comes from the high propensity for abuse in these situations. Hence it being illegal.

If I were a copper I'd have you.

Don't ask the question if you don't want an honest answer.

Jenny 2 · « **Reply #9 on:** 28 June 2014, 12:37:29 pm »

Let me ask you this question.............

Would your girfriend have done it if she had not been with you? Has the idea of it all been instigated by her ? Seemingly not..................

Please therefore don't take offence when people suggest that you have in some form been the instigator in this..........

With regards to duo's, I am actually at the point of not entertaining two people anymore as and whilst this is not always the case, more often then I care to think about, there have been times when one of the party concerned wasn't quite as eager as the other one was................. and I certainly picked up on that.

Trust this doesn't offend.

And anytime a duo/double booking takes place then I have always assumed it's considered illegal............ even two individuals not working at the same time but from the same premises are committing an illegal act and its considered a brothel. Correct me chaps if I am wrong please.

As for your own situation, I would consider it illegal.

Cat_BBW · « **Reply #10 on:** 28 June 2014, 01:32:42 pm »

Quote from: BlueDomme on 28 June 2014, 02:27:53 am

Quote from: xw5 on 27 June 2014, 11:35:19 am
Quote from: BlueDomme on 27 June 2014, 06:30:15 am
I'm much better with admin than her so I do all the client communication and sort out times/venues/etc etc, and we split all profit 50/50.

Legally, would this count as controlling prostitution? Is it illegal?

Yes, if the shit hit the fan, it would.

She's doing prostitution, you're arranging the times/venues etc, and you're benefiting from it. Yes, they're booking you too (at the moment) but you're still falling under the control aspect - the client is not booking both of you separately, for example.

It's unlikely anyone would care enough to pick you out for unwanted attention, but if you come to attention anyway, this may be dragged into it.
That was my thought - if someone really wanted to fuck me over as much as possible, would that be something they could use? Apparently yes.

I suppose a highly excellent lawyer could make an argument that I'm not REALLY benefiting as I only make my regular wage from doubles with her and don't skim off any of her earnings (why would I do that), and I have more work to do with admin/more risk as I pay for venues up front and if we don't get bookings I'll take the financial fall - but much better to just avoid that situation entirely.

But you ARE benefiting. Would those duo bookings - and thus your own earnings from doing them - have happened without you arranging everything? No.

So legally yes, you are a 'pimp'.

BlueDomme · « **Reply #11 on:** 28 June 2014, 07:20:59 pm »

Quote from: Cat_BBW on 28 June 2014, 01:32:42 pm

But you ARE benefiting. Would those duo bookings - and thus your own earnings from doing them - have happened without you arranging everything? No.

So legally yes, you are a 'pimp'.

Yup. Good point. I don't think anyone will care, there's no coercion or anything going on, but I think it's good to know the legal status of these things.

Quote from: Pink~Princess on 28 June 2014, 09:35:57 am

If/when she starts doing bookings alone, will you still be going 50/50? If so then yes, defo a pimp.

At the moment with you just doing duo bookings then 50/50 is the norm for anyone doing a duo, is it not?

Why not just teach her to do the admin? It's not difficult and then that way nothing can come back on you?

xx

Absolutely not, anything she does solo is hers alone. She actually did have a solo booked in last week (the client wavered on booking us as a duo and then said he just wanted to see her) but then changed her mind and cancelled, independently of me, I didn't have anything to do with it. I think she's feeling a bit nervous about taking on solo bookings as she's worried about the client pressuring her into something - I'm much less easily pressured and she knows that in a duo I won't let anything she's uncomfortable with happen.

The admin is really difficult for her - I don't want to go into too much detail but there's a lot of psychiatric stuff going on which means that some things which are perfectly normal for most people are overwhelming and confusing for her. Normally what happens when she gets an a message about a duo is she forwards it onto me and I sort out the time, get the client's number, etc. I send her copies of all the emails I get from clients so she can see what's going on and agree/decline. It makes it easier for her because I have no issues saying no to people, but she gets nervous about negative repercussions, clients getting pissy, etc. I don't care if someone flies off the handle because I say she doesn't want to suck them off (we do kinky stuff not full sex) but it would upset her.

KimberlyC · « **Reply #12 on:** 28 June 2014, 07:33:57 pm »

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Absolutely not, anything she does solo is hers alone. She actually did have a solo booked in last week (the client wavered on booking us as a duo and then said he just wanted to see her) but then changed her mind and cancelled, independently of me, I didn't have anything to do with it. I think she's feeling a bit nervous about taking on solo bookings as she's worried about the client pressuring her into something - I'm much less easily pressured and she knows that in a duo I won't let anything she's uncomfortable with happen.

The admin is really difficult for her - I don't want to go into too much detail but there's a lot of psychiatric stuff going on which means that some things which are perfectly normal for most people are overwhelming and confusing for her. Normally what happens when she gets an a message about a duo is she forwards it onto me and I sort out the time, get the client's number, etc. I send her copies of all the emails I get from clients so she can see what's going on and agree/decline. It makes it easier for her because I have no issues saying no to people, but she gets nervous about negative repercussions, clients getting pissy, etc. I don't care if someone flies off the handle because I say she doesn't want to suck them off (we do kinky stuff not full sex) but it would upset her.

OK.... this may or may not be straying from your OP, but I would say there could be massive red flags, here.

It doesn't sound like she's capable of being a sex worker on her own, but only with your assistance. Someone who can't even handle saying "no" in an email possibly should not be a sex worker. Your facilitating that doesn't really look good. For all "we" know (that is, a critic looking in), she's unable to say no to you, too.

BlueDomme · « **Reply #13 on:** 28 June 2014, 07:38:12 pm »

Quote from: Jenny 2 on 28 June 2014, 12:37:29 pm

Let me ask you this question.............

Would your girfriend have done it if she had not been with you? Has the idea of it all been instigated by her ? Seemingly not..................

Please therefore don't take offence when people suggest that you have in some form been the instigator in this..........

Quote from: sarahbelle on 28 June 2014, 10:26:47 am

But you do control who she meets and when, just feels pimpy to me. But then I would never dream of letting another person have control over my business. The fact is you wouldn't get any duo 'work' if it wasn't for you being able to ~~hire~~ pimp her out as well. So you are making financial gains from her sex work (as well as sexual ones) as well as controlling her business.

The concern comes from the high propensity for abuse in these situations. Hence it being illegal.

If I were a copper I'd have you.

Don't ask the question if you don't want an honest answer.

All I asked was whether or not it's illegal, not whether you'd be concerned for her.

Re instigation - here's the story - a while back before I even considered sex work she thought about working as a pro-sub for an agency. She went for an interview with them and everything, but then her boyfriend at the time got all grumpy about it and so she never did it. I remember talking to her about that particular argument - the intersection of psychiatric difficulties, finances and his feelings about her doing sex work put her in a really difficult situation, especially as aforementioned psychiatric difficulties seriously limit the jobs she can do. That relationship broke down, and many months later after getting together with me she started webcamming at about the same time I started pro-Domming. She did this of her own accord, she just Facebooked me with the AdultWork profile she'd set up and said she was going to do it (I moved away for uni, which is gross, I don't see her nearly enough, so a lot of our communication is by Facebook). I said great, good for you, I know it'll take a load off your mind if you have a more regular income stream, have you been thinking about investigating the pro-sub thing again as well? She said she's not sure she was thinking about it but was a bit nervous about doing it by herself. So I said how about we offer duos and you can do it with me, you know I won't let a client hurt you and will stop a booking with no hesitation if you're unhappy, and if those go well think about doing it solo, and if they don't go well then don't do anymore?

Happy now that there's no need to be concerned about the way I treat her? I do the paperwork to make life a bit easier for her, but honestly, I'm not forcing her into anything. I love this girl, the thought of doing something that upsets her makes me feel sick.

BlueDomme · « **Reply #14 on:** 28 June 2014, 07:45:49 pm »

Quote from: KimberlyC on 28 June 2014, 07:33:57 pm

OK.... this may or may not be straying from your OP, but I would say there could be massive red flags, here.

It doesn't sound like she's capable of being a sex worker on her own, but only with your assistance. Someone who can't even handle saying "no" in an email possibly should not be a sex worker. Your facilitating that doesn't really look good. For all "we" know (that is, a critic looking in), she's unable to say no to you, too.

She's fine with me. If she doesn't want me doing something she just meows at me and I know what that means. XD We've been friends for years and dating a year, I can pick up on the subtle stuff.

I've had that thought too, about her suitability as a sex worker. I think she's okay for now, she's having a great time on webcam, that type of sex work seems really well suited to her, and she seems unconcerned about duos *with me*. I'm relying on her to do her own risk assessments, if she says she's worried about something, it won't happen, but if she says it's fine I'll assume it is.

Re psychiatric stuff - like most psychiatric stuff it has quite complicated implications, but sex work suits her because sex/kink is one of the relatively few things she feels completely comfortable and confident in, along with cooking. Food and sex. Those are the things she's really good at. And philosophy.

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