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General Category => Questions and Answers => Topic started by: lili69 on 20 February 2012, 01:46:33 pm
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When I started out doing this I decided not to offer oral without as I wanted to be ultra safe with regard to STDs. However, I have come across clients who feel I should offer OWO as lots of girls do it and I have even lost bookings due to this.
I have to say that it doesn't matter to me if I lose a booking due to not giving OWO as if the client doesn't respect my wishes they are not someone I would want to see anyway.
I just wondered if anyone else has had similar experiences?
Thank you ladies
Lili xxx
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I offered OWO, but got freaked out. Basically I say that I still offer it, but at my discretion during the booking. I do the whole check thing disguised as a well lubed hand job, and basically always now just use my tounge on certain parts, eg. balls, just below the tip (obviously only if there are no dodgey marks or sores or anything), but when it comes to putting my whole mouth over, pre-cum etc, I put a condom on. Now I know there is still a risk, but I'd imagine that it is significantly lower as I do all my best to not really use my tongue down there for too long, and avoid all liquidly places...
I just try and give them a reallllly good hand job for ages so that they don't think too much about the fact I'm putting a condom on to suck them off... Since I've done it it's worked well, because I guess I'm not technically misleading them if I make it clear that it is at my discretion...
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Thanks sorbet. I do the same thing, I give them a really well lubed up hand job and they all seem to look pretty happy at the time.
I googled STDs and learnt that there is a risk that you can catch most of the STDs by giving a man oral as you can catch from unprotected penetrative sex whereas giving a woman oral you can only catch the same things as you can from kissing. this is my excuse for receiving oral but not giving unprotected oral to a man!!
Its good to hear that others also don't offer OWO
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Ive never offered oral without & never will. I hate clients who try to push their opinions on us, if you don't want to do it then thats up to. I have lost lots of business & money. You can catch loads of diseases, my friend caught chlamydia through doin owo. Stick to your guns luv if you don't want to do it then don't!!
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I offered OWO, but got freaked out. Basically I say that I still offer it, but at my discretion during the booking. I do the whole check thing disguised as a well lubed hand job, and basically always now just use my tounge on certain parts, eg. balls, just below the tip (obviously only if there are no dodgey marks or sores or anything), but when it comes to putting my whole mouth over, pre-cum etc, I put a condom on. Now I know there is still a risk, but I'd imagine that it is significantly lower as I do all my best to not really use my tongue down there for too long, and avoid all liquidly places...
Hi Hun just thought I'd let you know that even the testicles carry high risk. Seeing as they are in such a close distance to the anus there is likely to be feces lurking about. Xx
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Sorry I don't mean to sound like a miss know it all annoying cow but I worked for the brook outreach team. I'm afraid men can contract the same STIs from giving oral sex as a woman can from a man. A woman can also pass them on orally to men and women. You can contract most STIs orally although it is uncommon. Also you are 100 times more likely to contract hepatitis B than HIV. Xx
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I do OWO using some flavored o gel ( ann summers do the best ones. ) I couldn't do it without and always make the guys wash their cocks before I go down on them.
If it didn't look or smell fresh I won't do it unless put a rubber on it!
Edit: Removed all-caps.
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I do OWO and have never encountered any problems again it has to be clean and safe and is at my disretion. I am also heavily into ball licking and the bit between the balls and arse and even on occasions rimming. I have been injected for Hepatitis and get my self checked out regular for STI's. I know it is slightly more risky but I tend to gag if i give oral with a condom on. Interesting topic though. I was told and please correct me if I am wrong that saliva acts as a barrier. Also an interesting artical I came accross that if a female is carring HPV Human Papaloma Virus and a man gives her oral there is a very small chance he can get throat cancer from this. At the end of the day there is risk from everything I just weigh up and evaluate the risk to make a decision.
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Don't get me wrong I do OWO. It's personal preference. Yeah the saliva acts as a barrier :)
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To true saliva acts as a barrier in my opinion. But i am starting rethink owo service myself as escorting is getting less secure due to possible STD's but its hard as providing owo for me gives the client a happier experience with you. As i feel the whole point of a booking is to be satisfied as much as possible or it to feel as natural as possible. I do not wont them to feel like i dnt wanna touch them or something. Plus ive heard so many complaints from clients about other girls doing oral with protection and they just talk about those ladies so badly, cursing them out and everything and say how they wouldn't see that female again so its hard because i always wanna be the best at keeping them happy. Plus i wanna get paid lol :)
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Saliva as a barrier? Well I find that hard to believe, I'm gonna check with my GUM clinic tomorrow, sounds like an old wives (or old prossies!) tale. It sounds crazy to me to depend on that for protection.
Many many guys are perfectly happy to have OW, I can testify to that. For them it takes nothing away from the experience.
Each to their own but please bear in mind too that some STIs will not show, and for me its simply not worth the risk, just in order to possibly get a few more clients. Actually since I stopped offering OWO in the summer I have seen no difference in my bookings rates.0
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I personally offer OWO, but only alongside flavoured lubes - Durex Pina Colada, Strawberries and Cream, etc. I am aware of the risks, but there are too many girls out there who do, so you lose alot of custom if you don't. I've been escorting for three years, and never caught anything orally. I always take a good look at the penis before doing anything with it, and if it looks, or smells, suspect, then I politely state that I'll be using a condom. Obviously you can't judge a client's cleanliness by merely looking at his penis, but it's good for my peace of mind. I think it's a matter of preference. I would rather do OWO than French Kissing... ::)
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I personally offer OWO, but only alongside flavoured lubes - Durex Pina Colada, Strawberries and Cream, etc. I am aware of the risks, but there are too many girls out there who do, so you lose alot of custom if you don't. I've been escorting for three years, and never caught anything orally. I always take a good look at the penis before doing anything with it, and if it looks, or smells, suspect, then I politely state that I'll be using a condom. Obviously you can't judge a client's cleanliness by merely looking at his penis, but it's good for my peace of mind. I think it's a matter of preference. I would rather do OWO than French Kissing... ::)
Indeed but I havent found I've lost custom since I stopped offering it. In fact I have guys who book me because I don't do OWO. I refuse to feel pressured into doing something because 'everyone else does it'. and I feel sooo much happier not offering it.
And I looove french kissing.......altho only when a guy knows what he's doing ;D
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The saliva is like a barrier hence why is less common to contract STIs via oral sex. It doesn't stop it at all. No body said it does. :)
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Saliva is a barrier!!????? I don't think so. But please correct me if I'm wrong I'm not that much up my own arse to think I know it all.
I have lost money as I said earlier but I will still not do it. I will not go anywhere near their arseholes no matter what amount of money I'm offered. Some guys have checked to make sure that I don't do OWO & have chosen to come & see me because of this reason.
I'm off to the clinic nx Mon so will try & have an indepth chat about it.
xx
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No one told you to do OWO or to lick any bums lol x
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At the end of the day, you have to decide what you are/are not comfortable with doing.
Of course the men will always push for owo - just as some push for bb.
My personal feeling on the matter, is that I would never do it. There are so many things you can catch from owo, including hiv - and many sti's do not show outward signs even though the person is infectious. If they are getting owo from you, chances are they are as well from others.
Like I said though, it is up to you what you want to do - and I would never let a client make you feel bad about it - bc is any money really worth getting sick over?
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My personal feeling on the matter, is that I would never do it. There are so many things you can catch from owo, including hiv - and many sti's do not show outward signs even though the person is infectious. If they are getting owo from you, chances are they are as well from others.
Yes my thoughts entirely ;D
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No one told you to do OWO or to lick any bums lol x
I know, ;D ;D
xx
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Saliva is a barrier!!????? I don't think so. But please correct me if I'm wrong I'm not that much up my own arse to think I know it all.
I have lost money as I said earlier but I will still not do it. I will not go anywhere near their arseholes no matter what amount of money I'm offered. Some guys have checked to make sure that I don't do OWO & have chosen to come & see me because of this reason.
I'm off to the clinic nx Mon so will try & have an indepth chat about it.
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Scientists have said that saliva appears to act as a natural barrier preventing hiv transmission during oral sex.
They did conduct experiments with couples where one partner was hiv positive and found that transmission didn't occur provided the receptive mouth was in good condition - i.e. no cuts, sores etc.
'HIV can pose a small risk for both the active (person giving the oral stimulation) and receptive (person receiving oral stimulation) partner.
Transmission from an HIV positive receptive partner to an HIV negative active partner may occur when the active partner gets sexual fluid (semen or vaginal fluid) or blood (from menstruation or a wound somewhere in the genital or anal region) into a cut, sore, ulcer or area of inflammation somewhere in their mouth or throat. The linings of the mouth and throat are very resistant to viral infections such as HIV, so infection is unlikely if they are healthy.'
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Something akin to a dog licking his own b*****ks then, or a cat licking it's bum?
We have enzymes in our saliva that help us to breakdown and digest our food. Also to produce more of same when we sense food may be on it's way!
Having said all that... I do owo but it doesn't rest easy with me.
W.x
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Saliva is a barrier!!????? I don't think so. But please correct me if I'm wrong I'm not that much up my own arse to think I know it all.
I have lost money as I said earlier but I will still not do it. I will not go anywhere near their arseholes no matter what amount of money I'm offered. Some guys have checked to make sure that I don't do OWO & have chosen to come & see me because of this reason.
I'm off to the clinic nx Mon so will try & have an indepth chat about it.
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Scientists have said that saliva appears to act as a natural barrier preventing hiv transmission during oral sex.
They did conduct experiments with couples where one partner was hiv positive and found that transmission didn't occur provided the receptive mouth was in good condition - i.e. no cuts, sores etc.
'HIV can pose a small risk for both the active (person giving the oral stimulation) and receptive (person receiving oral stimulation) partner.
Transmission from an HIV positive receptive partner to an HIV negative active partner may occur when the active partner gets sexual fluid (semen or vaginal fluid) or blood (from menstruation or a wound somewhere in the genital or anal region) into a cut, sore, ulcer or area of inflammation somewhere in their mouth or throat. The linings of the mouth and throat are very resistant to viral infections such as HIV, so infection is unlikely if they are healthy.'
But this is about monogamous couples I'm guessing? In which case it doesn't really relate to us prossies seeing multiple guys....who probably see multiple girls........the possibilities are endless, unfortunately. So therefore the likelihood of catching an STI is far higher than in that kind of situation.
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Saliva may well play a huge part in destroying the HIV virus, but so does air, water and just about everything else - it's a pathetic weedy thing compared with the likes of the herpes virus, or the gonorrhoea bugs. I stopped doing OWO around two and half years ago, but I can honestly say the risk of HIV never even crossed my mind when deciding. From what I do know, if you were unlucky enough to catch it from unprotected oral (assuming you have good oral hygiene and dental health, and you shouldn't be doing OWO if you don't) you'd more than likely be run over by a bus on your way home from the clinic.
What you can catch, saliva or otherwise is pharyngeal gonorrhoea (the most likely), chlamydia, far less likely, and even less likely that you would pass it on if you did get it or syphilis (so contagious that it's apparently almost 100% that you would catch it in the event of unprotected contact with someone who had it, but it's a lot rarer than it used to be - I think it did enjoy something of a renaissance amongst gay men a few years ago so anyone seeing MSM might do well to bear it in mind).
You (or punters) can catch the mostly the same things from unprotected reverse oral but the likelihood is far lower as infections like chlamydia tend to be concentrated around the cervix, which isn't really accessible during oral sex. To suggest that the risk is equal because the range of infections you might pick up is the same is like saying the risk from OWO is the equal to that from unprotected penetration for the same reason. Source: my local clinic, who I have grilled half to death over the years, and the Chester Health website.
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I got chlamydia in my throat from a 'clean' cock. Lovely having to account for that one to one's other half...
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There I am talking about dogs and cats and as usual not getting to the point!
My point being that, I know what the enzymes in our saliva do, however, I don't know what they protect us from, if anything.
If we knew for certain, then this would'n't be a discussion, it would be a fact, which obviously, it is not.
W.x
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If we knew for certain, then this would'n't be a discussion, it would be a fact, which obviously, it is not.
If only. I actually went to start merging this with some of the other OWO/OW threads when it was first posted but there were so many popped up when I searched, I gave up and went to put the kettle on instead. Still, we haven't had an 'anyone what does bareback is mental, disgusting and most probably trafficked and already has HIV anyway!' thread for at least a couple of weeks :D.
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I just wanted to thank everyone for their replies and opinions. Its really interesting to hear everyone's experiences.
As you all say, OW/OWO is down to your own personal choice.
I was wondering if I was missing lots of business doing this (not that it would make me change my mind), but its comforting to hear from girls who say it hasn't affected them. I have to say that I seem to be doing OK despite not offering OWO. I can only be a WG part time as I have other commitments, I only wish I had more time available do it! I enjoy it so much and the money is fab!!! :)
Lili xxx
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I used to offer OWO but withdrew that service a year ago.
Like some of you, I was worried that I would lose a lot of business but in fact the reverse is true.
I can also say that I now have, what I would classify as being 'nicer' clients. The few that I did lose, and believe me it's only a few, are ones that I don't miss anyway (if you get what I mean). I also get clients who specificallly search for girls that don't offer OWO.
I was telling the clinic this the other day and they said to me that it's not the first time they have heard this.
Of course, I don't judge on those that do offer OWO, as after all, it's a personal decision as to what we do/don't offer and we are all different so have a different way of working.
Hope you are all well and safe.
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I got chlamydia in my throat from a 'clean' cock. Lovely having to account for that one to one's other half...
Sorry to hear that, how did you find out you had it?
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I got chlamydia in my throat from a 'clean' cock. Lovely having to account for that one to one's other half...
Sorry to hear that, how did you find out you had it?
From a throat swab taken on a routine clinic visit - not done OWO since, though still get my throat swabbed. I did lose some clients, but this has been compensated for by those who seek WGs who offer only OW.
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I've never had a throat swob, next time I go the clinic I'll be having one though - thank you for sharing
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I found that my clinic only gave me a throat swab when I told them I was working. Just another reason to tell them what you do.
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I found that my clinic only gave me a throat swab when I told them I was working. Just another reason to tell them what you do.
I've found different clinics have different policies with regard to throat swabs. In Portsmouth they routinely gave them to WGs; here in Glasgow they just don't do it at all.
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Yeah its a strange one. First time I went to the clinic here I told them that I worked and was given the test and each time after that too. But I had a break from work for about a year and a half but still went for my check ups and they didn't give me it then. I used to live in Scotland and I was never offered it there.
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I found that my clinic only gave me a throat swab when I told them I was working. Just another reason to tell them what you do.
I've found different clinics have different policies with regard to throat swabs. In Portsmouth they routinely gave them to WGs; here in Glasgow they just don't do it at all.
I get them here, but I have to ask for them, and absolutely have to tell them about work. I've tried asking for one but not explaining my work, and they just looked at me as if I was insane :o ;D
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I found that my clinic only gave me a throat swab when I told them I was working. Just another reason to tell them what you do.
I've found different clinics have different policies with regard to throat swabs. In Portsmouth they routinely gave them to WGs; here in Glasgow they just don't do it at all.
I get them here, but I have to ask for them, and absolutely have to tell them about work. I've tried asking for one but not explaining my work, and they just looked at me as if I was insane :o ;D
Don't get this at all...is it only prostitutes that suck mens' cocks ???
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That is weird, particularly since the last clinic I went to told me that most girls who walk in don't practice safe oral sex.
I got a throat swab, but then I lied to them.
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I have everything done when I go for my check ups, never had a problem apart from flippin BV. It does my head in.
Anyway my visit last Mon, I was talking to the nurse & she said saliva cannot kill germs like HIV etc but it does help to fight bacteria in food. She also said HIV was quite hard to catch but the safer we made it for ourselves the better.
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Wow! I thought it was common practice for GUM clinics to offer you a throat swab if you wanted a full testing/screening, without telling them what you do or having to ask for it. :o
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No, unless you're paying it's quite common to give different people different 'full' tests, based on which risk group they're in. No-one thinks giving everyone HepA vaccine on the NHS is a good idea, for example, because most people will never catch it in the first place. For HIV+ men who rim other HIV+ men, it's different. Similarly, giving everyone throat swabs is inefficient if nearly all of them will be detected as having chlamydia / gonorrhoea elsewhere and treated.
The arguments about how many people have caught HIV via CIM (OWO alone doesn't look to be enough) continue, but it's somewhere between 'none' and 'a very very tiny fraction of the people with HIV'.
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What would you say the key things are to make OW a satisfying experience for the client??
Do you think it's better to give that with a condom, or using a dental dam???? I ask only because the basis of OWO is the movement of the mouth up and down the penis, and thus the movement of the skin of the penis - you can't achieve this in OW - I too agree that a jolly good hand job then put a condom on is a good idea, but just wondered, once you put it on, how would you say you deliver a good blow job when there is let's face it, a very restrictive piece of 'equipment' in place???
And yes, re HPV - the type that causes cervical cancer in women: the government is inocculating our girls against it, but not the boys. Thus showing women as disease-spreading sluts (really, it is isn't it!) and totally failing to protect our boys, especially those who are gay who are being given no protection at all! For those of us with sons it might be pertinent to look at getting them innoculated. But it does cost over ?300 so better start saving now!!!!! For men who contract HPV (HPV-16 I believe), it can give them throat or anal cancer. It lives in all the linings of the body eg the vagina/cervix, throat, anus, mouth (and please, anyone, if I have this wrong, please tell me but this is what I remember from a recent programme about a guy who had throat cancer due to HPV - only ever given oral to his wife who must have had HPV - we are telling our kids to have safe sex but giving oral by either party, is clearly NOT safe... Intercourse with a condom is actually better isn't it!!! So if you lick another girl out you could get it, if he licks you out, you could get it. That's how I understand it....
I'm not sure and does anyone know, about if you already have it (and I must cos I had abnormal cervical cells that has to be lasered away 3 years ago), and you have the jab for it, does it kill it off or how does it work??
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I switched to OW around 8 months ago and it does help that I use Skyns condoms (had to switch to them due to latex allergy) which are very thin so not much sensation is lost. I use exactly the same technique giving OW as I used to with OWO and the clients love it, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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And yes, re HPV - the type that causes cervical cancer in women: the government is inocculating our girls against it, but not the boys. Thus showing women as disease-spreading sluts (really, it is isn't it!) and totally failing to protect our boys, especially those who are gay who are being given no protection at all! For those of us with sons it might be pertinent to look at getting them innoculated. But it does cost over ?300 so better start saving now!!!!! For men who contract HPV (HPV-16 I believe), it can give them throat or anal cancer. ...
.. if you already have it ... and you have the jab for it, does it kill it off or how does it work??
If you already have the two or four strains - and most sexually active adults do - then having the vaccines gives you no benefit (and you can bet the drugs companies did the studies).
Yep, when introduced, these were the most expensive vaccines available. Curiously, there was a rash of 'HPV gives you x' stories at the same time, including that crap programme. In reality, the vast majority of throat and anal cancel is very clearly linked to other things - smoking and alcohol for the former and being HIV+ for the latter.
So vaccinating girls before they are sexually active makes lots of sense - women are overwhelmingly the ones who die thanks to HPV - whereas doing all the boys too doesn't. You're still going to tell the gay ones to use condoms for anal sex and, if they don't, they have more things to worry about than HPV.
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Good stuff, thanks both.