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« Reply #30 on: 26 February 2012, 12:27:09 pm »
I've never had a throat swob, next time I go the clinic I'll be having one though - thank you for sharing

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« Reply #31 on: 26 February 2012, 03:08:36 pm »
I found that my clinic only gave me a throat swab when I told them I was working.  Just another reason to tell them what you do. 

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« Reply #32 on: 26 February 2012, 03:38:01 pm »
I found that my clinic only gave me a throat swab when I told them I was working.  Just another reason to tell them what you do.

I've found different clinics have different policies with regard to throat swabs.  In Portsmouth they routinely gave them to WGs; here in Glasgow they just don't do it at all.

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« Reply #33 on: 26 February 2012, 03:46:55 pm »
Yeah its a strange one.  First time I went to the clinic here I told them that I worked and was given the test and each time after that too.  But I had a break from work for about a year and a half but still went for my check ups and they didn't give me it then. I used to live in Scotland and I was never offered it there.

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« Reply #34 on: 26 February 2012, 09:34:23 pm »
I found that my clinic only gave me a throat swab when I told them I was working.  Just another reason to tell them what you do.

I've found different clinics have different policies with regard to throat swabs.  In Portsmouth they routinely gave them to WGs; here in Glasgow they just don't do it at all.

I get them here, but I have to ask for them, and absolutely have to tell them about work. I've tried asking for one but not explaining my work, and they just looked at me as if I was insane  :o    ;D
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« Reply #35 on: 27 February 2012, 05:35:48 am »
I found that my clinic only gave me a throat swab when I told them I was working.  Just another reason to tell them what you do.

I've found different clinics have different policies with regard to throat swabs.  In Portsmouth they routinely gave them to WGs; here in Glasgow they just don't do it at all.

I get them here, but I have to ask for them, and absolutely have to tell them about work. I've tried asking for one but not explaining my work, and they just looked at me as if I was insane  :o    ;D

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« Reply #36 on: 27 February 2012, 09:39:23 am »
That is weird, particularly since the last clinic I went to told me that most girls who walk in don't practice safe oral sex.

I got a throat swab, but then I lied to them.
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« Reply #37 on: 09 March 2012, 02:46:04 pm »
I have everything done when I go for my check ups, never had a problem apart from flippin BV. It does my head in.

Anyway my visit last Mon, I was talking to the nurse & she said saliva cannot kill germs like HIV etc but it does help to fight bacteria in food. She also said HIV was quite hard to catch but the safer we made it for ourselves the better.

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« Reply #38 on: 09 March 2012, 02:52:15 pm »
Wow!  I thought it was common practice for GUM clinics to offer you a throat swab if you wanted a full testing/screening, without telling them what you do or having to ask for it.   :o
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« Reply #39 on: 09 March 2012, 05:32:34 pm »
No, unless you're paying it's quite common to give different people different 'full' tests, based on which risk group they're in. No-one thinks giving everyone HepA vaccine on the NHS is a good idea, for example, because most people will never catch it in the first place. For HIV+ men who rim other HIV+ men, it's different. Similarly, giving everyone throat swabs is inefficient if nearly all of them will be detected as having chlamydia / gonorrhoea elsewhere and treated.

The arguments about how many people have caught HIV via CIM (OWO alone doesn't look to be enough) continue, but it's somewhere between 'none' and 'a very very tiny fraction of the people with HIV'.
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« Reply #40 on: 09 March 2012, 05:48:19 pm »
What would you say the key things are to make OW a satisfying experience for the client??

Do you think it's better to give that with a condom, or using a dental dam???? I ask only because the basis of OWO is the movement of the mouth up and down the penis, and thus the movement of the skin of the penis - you can't achieve this in OW - I too agree that a jolly good hand job then put a condom on is a good idea, but just wondered, once you put it on, how would you say you deliver a good blow job when there is let's face it, a very restrictive piece of 'equipment' in place???

And yes, re HPV - the type that causes cervical cancer in women: the government is inocculating our girls against it, but not the boys. Thus showing women as disease-spreading sluts (really, it is isn't it!) and totally failing to protect our boys, especially those who are gay who are being given no protection at all! For those of us with sons it might be pertinent to look at getting them innoculated. But it does cost over ?300 so better start saving now!!!!! For men who contract HPV (HPV-16 I believe), it can give them throat or anal cancer. It lives in all the linings of the body eg the vagina/cervix, throat, anus, mouth (and please, anyone, if I have this wrong, please tell me but this is what I remember from a recent programme about a guy who had throat cancer due to HPV - only ever given oral to his wife who must have had HPV - we are telling our kids to have safe sex but giving oral by either party, is clearly NOT safe...  Intercourse with a condom is actually better isn't it!!! So if you lick another girl out you could get it, if he licks you out, you could get it. That's how I understand it....

I'm not sure and does anyone know, about if you already have it (and I must cos I had abnormal cervical cells that has to be lasered away 3 years ago), and you have the jab for it, does it kill it off or how does it work??

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« Reply #41 on: 09 March 2012, 05:58:15 pm »
I switched to OW around 8 months ago and it does help that I use Skyns condoms (had to switch to them due to latex allergy) which are very thin so not much sensation is lost.  I use exactly the same technique giving OW as I used to with OWO and the clients love it, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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« Reply #42 on: 09 March 2012, 06:57:03 pm »
And yes, re HPV - the type that causes cervical cancer in women: the government is inocculating our girls against it, but not the boys. Thus showing women as disease-spreading sluts (really, it is isn't it!) and totally failing to protect our boys, especially those who are gay who are being given no protection at all! For those of us with sons it might be pertinent to look at getting them innoculated. But it does cost over ?300 so better start saving now!!!!! For men who contract HPV (HPV-16 I believe), it can give them throat or anal cancer. ...

.. if you already have it ... and you have the jab for it, does it kill it off or how does it work??

If you already have the two or four strains - and most sexually active adults do - then having the vaccines gives you no benefit (and you can bet the drugs companies did the studies).

Yep, when introduced, these were the most expensive vaccines available. Curiously, there was a rash of 'HPV gives you x' stories at the same time, including that crap programme. In reality, the vast majority of throat and anal cancel is very clearly linked to other things - smoking and alcohol for the former and being HIV+ for the latter.

So vaccinating girls before they are sexually active makes lots of sense - women are overwhelmingly the ones who die thanks to HPV - whereas doing all the boys too doesn't. You're still going to tell the gay ones to use condoms for anal sex and, if they don't, they have more things to worry about than HPV.
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« Reply #43 on: 09 March 2012, 07:00:58 pm »
Good stuff, thanks both.