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Re: Oral Without?
« Reply #15 on: 21 February 2012, 05:23:59 pm »
No one told you to do OWO or to lick any bums lol x
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« Reply #16 on: 21 February 2012, 05:36:05 pm »
At the end of the day, you have to decide what you are/are not comfortable with doing.

Of course the men will always push for owo - just as some push for bb.

My personal feeling on the matter, is that I would never do it. There are so many things you can catch from owo, including hiv - and many sti's do not show outward signs even though the person is infectious. If they are getting owo from you, chances are they are as well from others.

Like I said though, it is up to you what you want to do - and I would never let a client make you feel bad about it - bc is any money really worth getting sick over?
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« Reply #17 on: 21 February 2012, 05:44:22 pm »

My personal feeling on the matter, is that I would never do it. There are so many things you can catch from owo, including hiv - and many sti's do not show outward signs even though the person is infectious. If they are getting owo from you, chances are they are as well from others.

Yes my thoughts entirely  ;D

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« Reply #18 on: 21 February 2012, 06:40:47 pm »
No one told you to do OWO or to lick any bums lol x

I know,  ;D ;D

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« Reply #19 on: 21 February 2012, 07:17:46 pm »
Saliva is a barrier!!????? I don't think so. But please correct me if I'm wrong I'm not that much up my own arse to think I know it all.

I have lost money as I said earlier but I will still not do it. I will not go anywhere near their arseholes no matter what amount of money I'm offered. Some guys have checked to make sure that I don't do OWO & have chosen to come & see me because of this reason.

I'm off to the clinic nx Mon so will try & have an indepth chat about it.

xx

Scientists have said that saliva appears to act as a natural barrier preventing hiv transmission during oral sex.
They did conduct experiments with couples where one partner was hiv positive and found that transmission didn't occur provided the receptive mouth was in good condition - i.e. no cuts, sores etc.

'HIV can pose a small risk for both the active (person giving the oral stimulation) and receptive (person receiving oral stimulation) partner.

Transmission from an HIV positive receptive partner to an HIV negative active partner may occur when the active partner gets sexual fluid (semen or vaginal fluid) or blood (from menstruation or a wound somewhere in the genital or anal region) into a cut, sore, ulcer or area of inflammation somewhere in their mouth or throat. The linings of the mouth and throat are very resistant to viral infections such as HIV, so infection is unlikely if they are healthy.'

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« Reply #20 on: 21 February 2012, 07:44:32 pm »
Something akin to a dog licking his own b*****ks then, or a cat licking it's bum?
We have enzymes in our saliva that help us to breakdown and digest our food. Also to produce more of same when we sense food may be on it's way!
Having said all that... I do owo but it doesn't rest easy with me.
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« Reply #21 on: 21 February 2012, 08:02:18 pm »
Saliva is a barrier!!????? I don't think so. But please correct me if I'm wrong I'm not that much up my own arse to think I know it all.

I have lost money as I said earlier but I will still not do it. I will not go anywhere near their arseholes no matter what amount of money I'm offered. Some guys have checked to make sure that I don't do OWO & have chosen to come & see me because of this reason.

I'm off to the clinic nx Mon so will try & have an indepth chat about it.

xx

Scientists have said that saliva appears to act as a natural barrier preventing hiv transmission during oral sex.
They did conduct experiments with couples where one partner was hiv positive and found that transmission didn't occur provided the receptive mouth was in good condition - i.e. no cuts, sores etc.

'HIV can pose a small risk for both the active (person giving the oral stimulation) and receptive (person receiving oral stimulation) partner.

Transmission from an HIV positive receptive partner to an HIV negative active partner may occur when the active partner gets sexual fluid (semen or vaginal fluid) or blood (from menstruation or a wound somewhere in the genital or anal region) into a cut, sore, ulcer or area of inflammation somewhere in their mouth or throat. The linings of the mouth and throat are very resistant to viral infections such as HIV, so infection is unlikely if they are healthy.'

But this is about monogamous couples I'm guessing?  In which case it doesn't really relate to us prossies seeing multiple guys....who probably see multiple girls........the possibilities are endless, unfortunately.  So therefore the likelihood of catching an STI is far higher than in that kind of situation.

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« Reply #22 on: 21 February 2012, 09:38:12 pm »
Saliva may well play a huge part in destroying the HIV virus, but so does air, water and just about everything else - it's a pathetic weedy thing compared with the likes of the herpes virus, or the gonorrhoea bugs. I stopped doing OWO around two and half years ago, but I can honestly say the risk of HIV never even crossed my mind when deciding. From what I do know, if you were unlucky enough to catch it from unprotected oral (assuming you have good oral hygiene and dental health, and you shouldn't be doing OWO if you don't) you'd more than likely be run over by a bus on your way home from the clinic.

What you can catch, saliva or otherwise is pharyngeal gonorrhoea (the most likely), chlamydia, far less likely, and even less likely that you would pass it on if you did get it or syphilis (so contagious that it's apparently almost 100% that you would catch it in the event of unprotected contact with someone who had it, but it's a lot rarer than it used to be - I think it did enjoy something of a renaissance amongst gay men a few years ago so anyone seeing MSM might do well to bear it in mind).

You (or punters) can catch the mostly the same things from unprotected reverse oral but the likelihood is far lower as infections like chlamydia tend to be concentrated around the cervix, which isn't really accessible during oral sex. To suggest that the risk is equal because the range of infections you might pick up is the same is like saying the risk from OWO is the equal to that from unprotected penetration for the same reason. Source: my local clinic, who I have grilled half to death over the years, and the Chester Health website.
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Re: Oral Without?
« Reply #23 on: 21 February 2012, 10:07:59 pm »
I got chlamydia in my throat from a 'clean' cock.  Lovely having to account for that one to one's other half...

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« Reply #24 on: 22 February 2012, 12:19:11 am »
There I am talking about dogs and cats and as usual not getting to the point!
My point being that, I know what the enzymes in our saliva do, however, I don't know what they protect us from, if anything.
If we knew for certain, then this would'n't be a discussion, it would be a fact, which obviously, it is not.

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« Reply #25 on: 22 February 2012, 01:20:33 am »
If we knew for certain, then this would'n't be a discussion, it would be a fact, which obviously, it is not.

If only. I actually went to start merging this with some of the other OWO/OW threads when it was first posted but there were so many popped up when I searched, I gave up and went to put the kettle on instead. Still, we haven't had an 'anyone what does bareback is mental, disgusting and most probably trafficked and already has HIV anyway!' thread for at least a couple of weeks :D.

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« Reply #26 on: 22 February 2012, 07:43:54 pm »
I just wanted to thank everyone for their replies and opinions.  Its really interesting to hear everyone's experiences.

As you all say, OW/OWO is down to your own personal choice.

I was wondering if I was missing lots of business doing this (not that it would make me change my mind), but its comforting to hear from girls who say it hasn't affected them.  I have to say that I seem to be doing OK despite not offering OWO.  I can only be a WG part time as I have other commitments, I only wish I had more time available do it!  I enjoy it so much and the money is fab!!! :)

Lili xxx

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« Reply #27 on: 22 February 2012, 11:42:43 pm »
I used to offer OWO but withdrew that service a year ago. 

Like some of you, I was worried that I would lose a lot of business but in fact the reverse is true. 

I can also say that I now have, what I would classify as being 'nicer' clients.  The few that I did lose, and believe me it's only a few, are ones that I don't miss anyway (if you get what I mean).    I also get clients who specificallly search for girls that don't offer OWO.

I was telling the clinic this the other day and they said to me that it's not the first time they have heard this. 

Of course, I don't judge on those that do offer OWO, as after all, it's a personal decision as to what we do/don't offer and we are all different so have a different way of working. 

Hope you are all well and safe.
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« Reply #28 on: 23 February 2012, 01:42:37 am »
I got chlamydia in my throat from a 'clean' cock.  Lovely having to account for that one to one's other half...

Sorry to hear that, how did you find out you had it?

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« Reply #29 on: 23 February 2012, 07:58:39 pm »
I got chlamydia in my throat from a 'clean' cock.  Lovely having to account for that one to one's other half...

Sorry to hear that, how did you find out you had it?

From a throat swab taken on a routine clinic visit - not done OWO since, though still get my throat swabbed.  I did lose some clients, but this has been compensated for by those who seek WGs who offer only OW.