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General Category => Questions and Answers => Topic started by: kinkyboots on 08 May 2014, 09:05:24 pm
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When i started escorting, having done little research i thought it was the norm to offer oral without a condom. I don't do it now and ensure all contact is protected but I've just had a rather embarrassing conversation with my partner when i told him that i used to do OWO.
He said in a really flat tone "you shouldn't be doing that you, you've not been having sex without one have you?" i
I feel slightly humiliated now, not to mention pissed off that he thinks i'd sleep with my clients without a condom. Although feeling humiliated is probably not justifiable, that was the most awkward conversation we've ever had.
What is the general opinion of people who offer, or have offered OWO? Are they thought of in the same way as people who do BB?
Urgh. I wish i hadn't said anything now :-\
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If you stick OWO into the search, you'll find it has been discussed a few times before :)
I'll merge this with one of them soon, but the short answer is that everyone has their own place on the risk - reward scale; there's a market for OWO, a market for OW, and a market that doesn't care so long as you have their penis in your mouth; and ultimately it's up to you and no-one else.
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OWO is a common service offered by many escorts, yes but it's not a service that should ever be expected of the escort from the client (unless she advertises it obviously) nor is it a service that any escort should ever feel she has to do it to be an escort or be busy in the business.
Far too many escorts offer OWO when they really don't want to, I get emails all the time from other escorts asking me how business is offering oral WITH a condom, it's never really a question I can answer as I have never offered OWO then stopped offering it so I can't compare the before and after but all I know is that my target is to meet 2 clients in a day (which is always doable) and my cut off limit is 3 clients in a day, I make good money......really good money infact without putting myself at risk and without compromising my sanity by doing things I don't want to do for the sake of money plus I set myself a realistic target.
But no, ladies who offer OWO are definitely not in the same bracket as ladies who offer Bareback sex both are risky services but obviously bareback is risky to the extreme but each to their own.
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Have to agree with xw5 there IS a market for OWO, OW and for clients who don't care which way they get it.
I obviously don't cater for clients where no OWO is a deal breaker but I do cater for a massive chunk of men who want a little discrete fun with an escort but who have wives and girlfriends and think the risk of OWO is too high for them incase they take something nasty back and pass it on to their wife.
Then I have clients who I see that come to me regularly but also see a selection of other ladies all offering different things.
I think your bf was thinking that as your in a relationship, you shouldn't be offering risky services incase you pass something onto him. I am surprised you haven't had this conversation with him until now.
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I stopped doing owo 2 months ago and I still get the same amount of bookings from regulars and newbies. It hasn't affected things in the slightest.
The reason I stopped was because I caught chlamydia from a client after giving him a blow job. Ended up with it in my throat and had to go for throat swabs at the gum clinic.
A lot of my clients like seeing me now that they know I'm so health conscious as it means they don't have to worry about passing things on to their wives
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Was he your partner when you were doing the OWO?
There are risks to doing it. Whether or not they are worth it to you depends on a pile of things, including how much you enjoy doing OWO vs OW and what the alternatives are.
But if you're taking them, it's polite to let your partner(s) know, especially if you're not using condoms for anything with them. That doesn't mean you need to give a blow by blow (sorry!) account of every booking, but telling them that you're doing A, B and C lets them work out what risks they want to take and means you're not going to be in the position of having something and needing to conceal it from them.
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When we got together offering OWO was something i didn't do anymore so i didn't make a point of telling him it was something i did in my past. If we were together when i offered it i would have been completely honest with him, i don't do OWO whatsoever now and am very careful for both of our sakes :)
I'm open with him about what i do and he's not in the dark about anything, he just didn't realize that i used to do OWO long before i knew him and assumed i'd always operated this way.
I wouldn't do it myself now because 1) I'm too paranoid these days 2) I have a partner.
In relation to the difference in business personally, i can honestly say that since going from offering OWO to OW i haven't noticed a drop at all. The piece of mind must be reassuring to potential clients too, especially if they have families to think of, again like mentioned :)
& Thanks for the reassurance :) x x x
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I offer owo, I do worry about the safety of it and therefore regularly get checked
I tried to give ow once, and the teet on the condom damn near choked me, not sure now you girls who always do ow manage
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I offer owo, I do worry about the safety of it and therefore regularly get checked
I tried to give ow once, and the teet on the condom damn near choked me, not sure now you girls who always do ow manage
The teet isn't the best but I manage cause the alternative (diseases and infections aside) is putting literally hundreds of men per years willy's in my mouth and even the cleanest of willy's will have bacteria that I am not comfortable putting in my mouth bearing in mind that's where people pee from, then there's pre-cum and of course the clients who turn up unclean or clean everywhere else but don't know how to clean under their foreskin so for me the teet is a small price to pay for piece of mind.
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Some people like having hundreds of etc - I'm sure I've said that oral sex is far more common in sex between men than anal is, and the vast majority is OWO.
Pee is sterile. Unless they have an infection in their genitals, they probably have more bacteria in their mouths.
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Some people like having hundreds of etc - I'm sure I've said that oral sex is far more common in sex between men than anal is, and the vast majority is OWO.
Pee is sterile. Unless they have an infection in their genitals, they probably have more bacteria in their mouths.
I like lots of willies :D
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I used to offer owo many years back.
Then a few years ago I decided to withdraw this service.
Like some girls, I was worried I would lose business and I have to say I did lose some of my regulars for whom this was a must, but to be honest, the ones I lost have been replaced by those that ONLY want oral with.............
Whenever I go to my usual sex worker's clinic for a check up, I am frequently told that there are many girls offering this service and not really wanting to at all but fear they will lose money if they do not. I have even heard it first hand from one lady I know who says she hates it but fears not offering it.
I hate to say this and no offence to anyone that does offer owo, but one thing I did notice, is that since not offering it, the quality of my clients has improved! I don't mean that in a detrimental way to anyone still doing this but for me, I think it was in some way a journey of progression from taking on rather more PSE bookings whereas now I am most definitely GFE and tend to prefer the less shall we say, energetic client!
The one thing that does get my back up is when guys ring me up, and knowing (as it's clearly stated on my site and profiles everywhere that I do not offer owo) that, still try to ask for it.......... some even say, oh won't you do it just for me................. :FF
Some arrogant guy told me a few weeks back that all men want owo and didn't I know that? .................. I think I just hung up on him then............. :)
Saying all of that though, anything we offer is an individual choice. One thing I have learnt in this business is that you can't base your income/bookings/clients on what the next girl is doing because we are all different and offer a different type of persona...........
I am pretty sure that I do have some clients that come to see me that will still go to other's for owo but still come and see me because they like me and sometimes the basic services are neither here or there, if in fact, you have built up a good relationship with a regular client and build up a good client base of your own.
As for the bareback issue, no you cannot equate the two at all.
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I offer owo, I do worry about the safety of it and therefore regularly get checked
I tried to give ow once, and the teet on the condom damn near choked me, not sure now you girls who always do ow manage
Snap I have tried every type of condom going and they all make me gag. I cant even seem to remember how to breathe when there is a lump of rubber in my mouth and have to keep stopping to get my breath. Not great seeing as some guys need to have it covered as would not put theirs in my mouth without one but as its a rare few I can manage it.
However the risks with OWO whilst there are there they are nowhere near the risk of BB or anal BB
I don't do CIM as sperm makes me gag too although I know there is a small risk from pre cum. However for me the risk is small enough compared to throwing up over every client for me to take and ensure I get throat swabs every four weeks to be sure.
I would never consider myself as taking the same risk as someone who chooses to offer bareback sex or even bareback anal but then again I would not judge them either as that is surely their choice and they too have weighed up the risks to reward ratio and feel the risk is ok for them.
I am quite unsure of what you mean though by how people who do BB are thought of. How are they thought of? and who thinks it?
I sure as hell don't think anything about them and am happy they offer it blatantly so I can see which clients have seen them to avoid so lowering my risks. We are all judged by those not in the industry and we know how it feels so we have no rights to judge anyone else or how they choose to work
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I use a variety of condoms, generally my preference are durex and they do something called a light or extra thin feel but to be honest, all the ones I have used, I don't have a problem with.
Perhaps it's just an individual thing and I am so used to it now that I don't even think about the rubber taste or feel and it's a matter of getting used to it as no way would I go without.
You can also get flavoured condoms you know but personally for me, I think it looks funny seeing a green/red/brown rubber on a willy.......... LOL ;D
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Some people like having hundreds of etc - I'm sure I've said that oral sex is far more common in sex between men than anal is, and the vast majority is OWO.
Pee is sterile. Unless they have an infection in their genitals, they probably have more bacteria in their mouths.
I know pee is sterile, still don't want it in my mouth though several times a day, every day or at all for that matter but each to their own. You can only do what your comfortable with in this business x
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And to be honest the teet doesn't bother me in the slightest unless they have a big willy and your deep throating them a bit but other than that, it have no issues with it at all x
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I think you will find business better when clients know you are being 100% safe, i honestley was suprised with this. Don't worry though, we try things, either they work or don't, as long as you're checked for stis, but of course yes it is safer to do with condom. Not something you'd think about really but yes it can be dangerous... not at all more profitable. Don't sweat it
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I have only ever offered OW as that is what I feel comfortable providing. Several clients have said to me that is something which they look for as it makes them feel safer when seeing an escort and they no doubt often have a partner at home to think about (yes some do actually think about this!). I don't think it makes much difference overall. Some guys will be put off if you don't offer OWO or CIM, others will be attracted if you don't.
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I have only ever offered OW as that is what I feel comfortable providing. Several clients have said to me that is something which they look for as it makes them feel safer when seeing an escort and they no doubt often have a partner at home to think about (yes some do actually think about this!). I don't think it makes much difference overall. Some guys will be put off if you don't offer OWO or CIM, others will be attracted if you don't.
That's so true, I don't know how many times now that I have had a client come in saying they chose me first and foremost because they know I am a safer bet as they have a wife at home. All sexual service has a certain risk element to them but for some OWO is far too big a risk for them to take and that's fair enough x
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...anything we offer is an individual choice. One thing I have learnt in this business is that you can't base your income/bookings/clients on what the next girl is doing because we are all different and offer a different type of persona...
So with you on that Jenny. I'd say to any lady, don't worry what anyone else is doing, just do what you feel happy offering or you'll end up hating the job.
I also used to offer OWO when I first started 14 years ago because I thought that was expected. Then I had a health scare where a client got a non specific urinary infection and the doctor said this could have been through OWO. I got tested and it was negative, but it scared me enough to stop. Plus I got back into the dating game and wanted to be as safe as possible for boyfriends.
Going from OWO to OW wasn't committing career suicide as I feared and actually made no difference to the numbers booking me. Those who only wanted OWO left and were replaced by those who never book ladies offering OWO. Many don't care either way.
I much prefer only doing OW as I can relax and not worry about how fresh their cocks are. Just can't stand the taste and smell of stale pee (and it seems to go off pretty quick under a foreskin so guys think they're fresh when they aren't), smeg, or even dribbly ones. Never have to worry about "accidental" CIM (which I never offered anyway as I gag at spunk) either.
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The pre cum was enough to make me want to Chang to ow. It used to physically make me retch if a guy's cock was dribbling and he wanted me to suck it without a condom.
The stale urine smell under the foreskin was also extremely common. The rest of their body might have been smelling incredibly clean but a lot of them would always have a bit of a whif down below. Gross! When my friend caught chlamydia in her throat and ended up spreading it to 4 of her best regulars it scared me so much. I would hate to pass anything on to my regulars who I class as friends and they pay me good money every month.
I think as long as the girls who offer owo get checked regularly then it's completely fine to do it if that's what they enjoy.
It's only the escorts or clients who literally never get checked that make things difficult for everyone else as they are probably the ones spreading things around
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Posh Totty and Sammy that's exactly how I feel x
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I am quite unsure of what you mean though by how people who do BB are thought of. How are they thought of? and who thinks it?
On punting forums i've seen a lot of posts regarding BB stating that some guys thought girls offering bareback are dirty and to be avoided. I don't have a negative opinion on people who offer BB personally, as it's totally up each individual how they work
To clarify, i came to know that the stigma for BB was there from reading the posts of punters, blogs and having industry related talks with people - not through personal opinion or judgement :) x
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Heys girls
I saw that some girls offer blowjob without condom
What do you offer?
kiss
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I have joined your post with one of many others about this (do a search for 'OWO' for more!)
It doesn't matter what other people offer - what are YOU comfortable with?
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I offer OWO but not CIM... I offered OW in the beginning but I just didn't get as much of a response, since I starred offering OWO it has really increased the amount of inquiries I get.
The thing about not offering CIM is that no one really cares that much about me giving head, it seems anyway. They usually just want me to do it for a couple minutes and then when they start to get super turned on want me to stop because they know they can't come cum.