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Re: Nights when escorting feels like degrading/trickery
« Reply #15 on: 10 August 2009, 04:05:57 pm »
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Re: Nights when escorting feels like degrading/trickery
« Reply #16 on: 14 August 2009, 10:07:55 am »
I'm pretty pragmatic about this job. I see it as nothing other than a wage to feed my family. I don't listen to anybody when they tell me they're going to become my regular, I don't listen to them when they say they're going to take me to their favourite villa (I even upset one regular recently because I didn't jump up and down for joy when he promised to take me away, I apologised and said that I'd heard it all before, it was nothing personal). I also don't see anybody that takes hard drugs (something you seem to attract in your business), therefore making them prone to erratic behaviour. I know it's something I wouldn't have the patience for. This job is hard enough as it is.

This sounds harsh, but don't trust clients. Don't trust anything they say or do. Get your fee upfront before anything commences. If you think you're going to be messed about then leave. Don't eff and blind at them, go and kick an inanimate object. And don't feel you always have to come away with something. There are some days you'll just need to chalk up to experience. Count them as a loss, learn from your mistakes and move on. Immediately make a note of your wayward customer so you never have to answer his call again, and you can derive a little satisfaction from hanging up on him when he tries to call again in the future. Because a lot of them will do.


Having got caught up in my B-day woes I forgot about this topic a bit LOL. What really touched me is when Brandy said, "not to always feeling the need to leave with something" And thats how I am, I always feel I better leave with SOMETHING otherwise its a waste of time and life. But in reality its a lesson and just have to move on I guess.

And by the way I dont feel so degraded after reading this, I just need to keep practing being firm

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Re: Nights when escorting feels like degrading/trickery
« Reply #17 on: 24 August 2009, 02:55:13 am »
I'm pretty pragmatic about this job. I see it as nothing other than a wage to feed my family. I don't listen to anybody when they tell me they're going to become my regular, I don't listen to them when they say they're going to take me to their favourite villa (I even upset one regular recently because I didn't jump up and down for joy when he promised to take me away, I apologised and said that I'd heard it all before, it was nothing personal). I also don't see anybody that takes hard drugs (something you seem to attract in your business), therefore making them prone to erratic behaviour. I know it's something I wouldn't have the patience for. This job is hard enough as it is.

This sounds harsh, but don't trust clients. Don't trust anything they say or do. Get your fee upfront before anything commences. If you think you're going to be messed about then leave. Don't eff and blind at them, go and kick an inanimate object. And don't feel you always have to come away with something. There are some days you'll just need to chalk up to experience. Count them as a loss, learn from your mistakes and move on. Immediately make a note of your wayward customer so you never have to answer his call again, and you can derive a little satisfaction from hanging up on him when he tries to call again in the future. Because a lot of them will do.


Brandy, you have spoken straight from my heart and mind and I agree with everything apart from one small bit: If you think you're going to be messed about then leave. And don't feel you always have to come away with something. Why I disagree, because by leaving you will always walk away with something - namely your selfrespect, dignity and pride intact and in the long run that is worth more than any amount of money.

PS: I know you meant walking away with no money, Brandy, I just liked the drama it created wording it that way - lol, sad I know.
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Re: Nights when escorting feels like degrading/trickery
« Reply #18 on: 24 August 2009, 08:13:42 am »
Brandy, you have spoken straight from my heart and mind and I agree with everything apart from one small bit: If you think you're going to be messed about then leave. And don't feel you always have to come away with something. Why I disagree, because by leaving you will always walk away with something - namely your selfrespect, dignity and pride intact and in the long run that is worth more than any amount of money.

PS: I know you meant walking away with no money, Brandy, I just liked the drama it created wording it that way - lol, sad I know.

Ha ha. I know you know what I meant.
But you're spot and that's exactly how I feel. I don't want any client seeing how much they've upset or pissed me off. I don't want to give them the satisfaction. Kick the tyres of your car, kick a wall. When you get home, let loose a string of expletives into a cushion if you have to, of course making sure there are no kids around to turn their ears red. Get on the phone and scream down your buddy's ear. But never, ever let a customer see how much he's affected you with his behaviour. To them you're nothing but a sex worker, so what do they care? Walk away with your head held high, knowing you've done nothing wrong and just make sure you've made a note of their phone number so you never have to answer it again. Because some people will have the audicity to call you again.

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Re: Nights when escorting feels like degrading/trickery
« Reply #19 on: 24 August 2009, 08:38:33 am »
But never, ever let a customer see how much he's affected you with his behaviour. made a note of their phone number so you never have to answer it again. Because some people will have the audicity to call you again.

Although Im certain you are right, for some reason though I just feel unsatisfied unless I express my anger to someone who pisses me off. Like some guy the other day called me saying "I likes negro boys, and will I come to his trailer park". I cursed his ass out on the spot and hung up. At first I used to just be like shocked, but at this point I will tell someone off. They are calling a business (me) and playing kid games. I can imagine if I called someone's resturaunt or hotel playing on their lines, they would curse me out too LOL. I used to prank call out the phonebook when I was a kid, and the things people would say would scare the daylights out of me. At the very least I will tell someone not to waste my time with nonsense if I have to. And it works cause they wont call back, will probably store MY number to make sure they dont call ME again LOL. There's been 2 persistant, grade A timewasters who I told off so bad, and til this day they have never contacted me again. They deserved it. Its like getting caught shoplifting.
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Re: Nights when escorting feels like degrading/trickery
« Reply #20 on: 24 August 2009, 01:30:31 pm »

Although Im certain you are right, for some reason though I just feel unsatisfied unless I express my anger to someone who pisses me off. Like some guy the other day called me saying "I likes negro boys, and will I come to his trailer park". I cursed his ass out on the spot and hung up. At first I used to just be like shocked, but at this point I will tell someone off. They are calling a business (me) and playing kid games. I can imagine if I called someone's resturaunt or hotel playing on their lines, they would curse me out too LOL. I used to prank call out the phonebook when I was a kid, and the things people would say would scare the daylights out of me. At the very least I will tell someone not to waste my time with nonsense if I have to. And it works cause they wont call back, will probably store MY number to make sure they dont call ME again LOL. There's been 2 persistant, grade A timewasters who I told off so bad, and til this day they have never contacted me again. They deserved it. Its like getting caught shoplifting.

But how do you know they're not getting off on your reactions? And how do you know they haven't called you back? How do you know they're not deliberately being idiots to illicit a reaction from you? In this day and age of cheap phones and sim cards, just because the same number doesn't come up you can't swear for certain that you've never heard from the person again.

You consider yourself a business. How many businesses do you know curse you out down the phone? You want it both ways Joey. You want to be taken seriously, but yet will scream down the phone at people at the first opportunity. You will take something from a client's house, just because you think you're owed. You've said you've broken windows, just to satisfy your rage. What business do you know does that?

Your behaviour smacks of immaturity and petulance. Not exactly great traits in being an escort. But you'll continue doing what you're doing, because you feel satisfied at the end.

And this is probably why you sometimes feel degraded at the end of a booking. Because you've let a customer get to you.

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Re: Nights when escorting feels like degrading/trickery
« Reply #21 on: 25 August 2009, 03:58:22 am »
But how do you know they're not getting off on your reactions? And how do you know they haven't called you back? How do you know they're not deliberately being idiots to illicit a reaction from you? In this day and age of cheap phones and sim cards, just because the same number doesn't come up you can't swear for certain that you've never heard from the person again.

You consider yourself a business. How many businesses do you know curse you out down the phone? You want it both ways Joey. You want to be taken seriously, but yet will scream down the phone at people at the first opportunity. You will take something from a client's house, just because you think you're owed. You've said you've broken windows, just to satisfy your rage. What business do you know does that?

Your behaviour smacks of immaturity and petulance. Not exactly great traits in being an escort. But you'll continue doing what you're doing, because you feel satisfied at the end.

And this is probably why you sometimes feel degraded at the end of a booking. Because you've let a customer get to you.

Well excuuuse me? First off, who said I would take something from a client's house? Secondly, the stuff I've done is nothing compared to what I have heard other escorts/non escorts done. And third, why would you bring in words from another topic here? I was talking about what I did to past X's, not clients! Im considered nice. The only time I will tell a caller off is if they are persistant in getting on my nerves. Who cares if other businesses will or wont do that. I do it. Im an independent. I say what I want.

And guess what? If they are getting off on my reactions...oh well. I refuse to be demure and passive to someone who is being aggressive torwards me. You dont really understand the degree to which some clients/callers tend to behave here. After so many, we all lose our patience. Some days/weeks, majority of the calls we recieve may be from timewasters. Clients/potential clients can do some crazy things. Dont act like everything is peachy creamy 365 days a year. It can be a stressful job for some. That was the issue of the topic. Not that escorting in itself is degrading. I dont feel degraded after a booking, whats degrading about getting paid? Nothing. I didnt say that.

How do I know they havent called me back? Because I have memory like an elephant. Do you realize that I can recognize someone's voice and tone, and HOW they ask their questions? Trust me darling, these guys have not called me back. And if they do, they will hear it from me.

I dont think you understand how nice I really am. Sometimes, a timewaster may get over on me twice before I decide to go postal. Im giving extreme examples. Believe me, I dont curse and yell at guys everyday, or every week for the matter. Happens once in a blue, and when it does y'all are sure to hear about it. But dont make it seem like Im this horrible, unprofessional escort with no respect for man, who is not in control of my actions. That simply is not true.

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Re: Nights when escorting feels like degrading/trickery
« Reply #22 on: 25 August 2009, 10:38:49 am »
Well excuuuse me? First off, who said I would take something from a client's house? Secondly, the stuff I've done is nothing compared to what I have heard other escorts/non escorts done. And third, why would you bring in words from another topic here? I was talking about what I did to past X's, not clients! Im considered nice. The only time I will tell a caller off is if they are persistant in getting on my nerves. Who cares if other businesses will or wont do that. I do it. Im an independent. I say what I want.


Calm yourself down Joey. This is your petulance coming to the fore yet again.
I don't have the time to go through all your posts, you've made a fair few. But I do remember a post you made about taking something from a client's home because he didn't pay you, so you felt you had to have something for your troubles.

You've mentioned time and time again "cursing somebody's ass out", and "putting people in their place", making it sound like something you do on a regular basis. If it's something you do only once in a while, it certainly doesn't come over that way.


And guess what? If they are getting off on my reactions...oh well. I refuse to be demure and passive to someone who is being aggressive torwards me. You dont really understand the degree to which some clients/callers tend to behave here. After so many, we all lose our patience. Some days/weeks, majority of the calls we recieve may be from timewasters. Clients/potential clients can do some crazy things. Dont act like everything is peachy creamy 365 days a year. It can be a stressful job for some. That was the issue of the topic. Not that escorting in itself is degrading. I dont feel degraded after a booking, whats degrading about getting paid? Nothing. I didnt say that.

Nobody's asking you to be demure and passive, a couple of adjectives I certainly wouldn't apply to you. There's a difference between being demure and not having the need to "curse somebody out". There is a happy medium.
And of course we all lose our patience. You'd have to be a saint not to.

I didn't say you felt degraded after you got paid. I'm refering to your original post where you had to change the way you did things so you could accept this booking:
"Tonight I got my usual regulars, no need to mention the other...but one of them tonight wanted an extra service/time and although I 'luv' him I told it would be an additonal amount and he cancelled the booking to the point I had to change my mind, thank him for his tips he leaves, and insist he need the booking. It didnt feel so bad that we did end up meeting, but if he didnt change his mind I'd feel so low, like begging."

How do I know they havent called me back? Because I have memory like an elephant. Do you realize that I can recognize someone's voice and tone, and HOW they ask their questions? Trust me darling, these guys have not called me back. And if they do, they will hear it from me.

Okay then. You have a memory like an elephant and you can remember every phone you've ever received.
And here you've just illustrated my point of letting somebody get to you. Why expend all that energy on a timewaster you know you're never going to meet?

I dont think you understand how nice I really am. Sometimes, a timewaster may get over on me twice before I decide to go postal. Im giving extreme examples. Believe me, I dont curse and yell at guys everyday, or every week for the matter. Happens once in a blue, and when it does y'all are sure to hear about it. But dont make it seem like Im this horrible, unprofessional escort with no respect for man, who is not in control of my actions. That simply is not true.

I know you're a lovely guy, I've never said otherwise. But all I'm going by are the posts you've made. I haven't fabricated anything. As I mentioned previously you regularly talk about "cursing somebody out" and "letting them know about it". I apologise if, as you say, they're isolated incidents.



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Re: Nights when escorting feels like degrading/trickery
« Reply #23 on: 26 August 2009, 10:30:09 pm »
First of all, Brandy, we are obviously completely on the same wavelenght with this side of things.

Joey, untwist your knickers please hun, you are getting yourself all worked up here, carry on like this and you'll have a heart attack.

As Brandy said nobody is asking you to act demure and passive and I certainly don't walk out on a client demure and passive. I walk out with my head held high and might give the guy a look of disdain or roll my eyes just as I leave the room showing him that I am way better than him.

Shouting, cussing and throwing a tantrum just lowers you to his level and shows him that he has gotten under your skin and has angered and/or hurt you, why give him that satisfaction.
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Re: Nights when escorting feels like degrading/trickery
« Reply #24 on: 27 August 2009, 05:38:02 am »
Shouting, cussing and throwing a tantrum just lowers you to his level and shows him that he has gotten under your skin and has angered and/or hurt you, why give him that satisfaction.

But what if my satisfaction comes from telling someone off and putting them in their place? How would that lower me to their level?

There was a time when everytime someone said something flippant or rude to me, I would let it slide off and not say anything. Thats being diffident. By speaking up I assert myself against what they are saying and take the higher ground. Silence is not golden.

Now, I admit I do not have the inclination to tell off every single timewaster who calls me.Its too much energy. But if I happen to be in the mood to go off, I will. Or if a repeat client says something stupid, like the things I've heard...they deserve to get it. I can care less if it unprofessional. They are being unprofessional too. Executives carrying on like assholes is unprofessional. If they happen to get a good laugh out of it, well I do too.

I'll say I certainly feel more satisfied speaking up for myself rather than being silent. Taking the punches is even more degrading than throwing them back.

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Re: Nights when escorting feels like degrading/trickery
« Reply #25 on: 27 August 2009, 09:04:04 am »
By speaking up I assert myself against what they are saying and take the higher ground. Silence is not golden.


That most certainly is not taking the higher ground. That's you lowering yourself to their level. And silence can indeed be golden. It depends on how you play it.


But what if my satisfaction comes from telling someone off and putting them in their place? How would that lower me to their level?
 if a repeat client says something stupid, like the things I've heard...they deserve to get it. I can care less if it unprofessional. They are being unprofessional too. Executives carrying on like assholes is unprofessional. If they happen to get a good laugh out of it, well I do too. 

Why should it be up to you to "put them in their place?" Who gave you the right? Because they called and irritated you? Oh please!
And so what if they're unprofessional. They're not the service provider, you are.  And as for executives carrying on like assholes, that old saying comes to mind, "if they were to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge, will you do too?"

It's obvious that you see no other way works apart from your own. I personally feel there's very little dignity in how you treat your callers, but hey, as long you derive pleasure from it, that's the main thing.

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Re: Nights when escorting feels like degrading/trickery
« Reply #26 on: 31 August 2009, 08:13:36 am »
Why should it be up to you to "put them in their place?" Who gave you the right? Because they called and irritated you? Oh please!
And so what if they're unprofessional. They're not the service provider, you are.  And as for executives carrying on like assholes, that old saying comes to mind, "if they were to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge, will you do too?"

It's obvious that you see no other way works apart from your own. I personally feel there's very little dignity in how you treat your callers, but hey, as long you derive pleasure from it, that's the main thing.

Ah, I almost lost this thread!

Anyway, yes...it is my right to put them in their place. Who else is gonna do it? They called me with their B.S., I didnt call them. They are calling me on my phone insulting me and /or wasting my time. And Im supposed to just hangup everytime? Absolutely not. If a caller contacts me only for entertainment that says 2 things. A) they have no respect for the fact that I depend on this job for a living and 2) they are doing it to make me feel beneath that.

The other day, had a caller contact me. Says he wanted to book for around 8 or 9 even though it was 2 in the afternoon. Once I told him my fee, he says; "no thats too much". I was about to suggest he get a better job, but he hung up. Why did he do it? To make me feel Im not worth my fee, and to tell me that? I see nothing wrong with going to town with someone who says things like that. I just cant see it any other way. Nice guys get treated nicely. Assholes get put in their place. I take my work far too seriously to be worked over. I dont get paid to entertain people who are calling just to waste my time.

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Re: Nights when escorting feels like degrading/trickery
« Reply #27 on: 31 August 2009, 08:37:59 am »
Joey, I think you have missed your calling in this life. You really should be writing short stories or have your own online blog  ;D I would most definately be a subscriber. My online blog gets more hits than anything.
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Re: Nights when escorting feels like degrading/trickery
« Reply #28 on: 31 August 2009, 10:26:48 am »
Joey: Once I told him my fee, he says; "no thats too much". I was about to suggest he get a better job, but he hung up

So, because the 'potential' client told you that your fee was too much, you thought it was ok to tell him to get a better job? That's not on really is it? If he would have said 'You're not worth it' or something similar then I could understand you being p!ssed off, but he was simply saying in a round about way that he doesn't have that much to spend. You didn't say he was rude or abusive to you so you have to take this on the chin. Suggesting he get a better job is downright rude. Should he be an escort instead, so he can make more money? He'd be your competition then so be wary of the suggestions you make!

Joey:Why did he do it? To make me feel Im not worth my fee, and to tell me that?

His intention was to find an escort to suit his budget. It's nothing personal, and taking it personally is going to eat you up! Only you can decide how much money to charge for your time. If somebody doesn't have the amount you require, then no hard feelings...just move on and be ready (with a smile) for your next client to call. The guy may have felt embarrased about not having enough money! He might, on another occasion have called you back with the correct fee..you just never know so it's better to be nice than not.

Joey: I see nothing wrong with going to town with someone who says things like that. I just cant see it any other way. Nice guys get treated nicely. Assholes get put in their place. I take my work far too seriously to be worked over. I dont get paid to entertain people who are calling just to waste my time.

You may be making a rod for your own back here, again, with your attitude. You need to open your eyes and realise that there are so many escorts out there. Alot have bad attitudes, but generally they're not making any money. What is going to make you stand out? A bad attitude? Erratic behaviour? Childish arguments? I know personally that I wouldn't want to stand out for any of those reasons. I do not take crap from clients either, but not taking crap and acting like a spolied brat, allowing your mouth to run away with you, are two very different things.

Customer Service Skills need to be practiced, especially when you're dealing with potential clients. We're service providers, as Brandy said. I hope you take time to read the link below and to understand that your job isn't just in the sack...you have to get them there first. And being rude, offensive, ignorant, idiotic, childish, belligerent...isn't going to get them to part with their money. Quite the opposite!

http://www.businessballs.com/customer_service.htm

Again, don't take this personally Joey. I'd say the same to anybody who dealt with clients this way.

Love Alex x

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Re: Nights when escorting feels like degrading/trickery
« Reply #29 on: 31 August 2009, 11:47:11 am »
Joey: Once I told him my fee, he says; "no thats too much". I was about to suggest he get a better job, but he hung up

So, because the 'potential' client told you that your fee was too much, you thought it was ok to tell him to get a better job? That's not on really is it? If he would have said 'You're not worth it' or something similar then I could understand you being p!ssed off, but he was simply saying in a round about way that he doesn't have that much to spend. You didn't say he was rude or abusive to you so you have to take this on the chin. Suggesting he get a better job is downright rude. Should he be an escort instead, so he can make more money? He'd be your competition then so be wary of the suggestions you make!

Joey:Why did he do it? To make me feel Im not worth my fee, and to tell me that?

His intention was to find an escort to suit his budget. It's nothing personal, and taking it personally is going to eat you up! Only you can decide how much money to charge for your time. If somebody doesn't have the amount you require, then no hard feelings...just move on and be ready (with a smile) for your next client to call. The guy may have felt embarrased about not having enough money! He might, on another occasion have called you back with the correct fee..you just never know so it's better to be nice than not.

Joey: I see nothing wrong with going to town with someone who says things like that. I just cant see it any other way. Nice guys get treated nicely. Assholes get put in their place. I take my work far too seriously to be worked over. I dont get paid to entertain people who are calling just to waste my time.

You may be making a rod for your own back here, again, with your attitude. You need to open your eyes and realise that there are so many escorts out there. Alot have bad attitudes, but generally they're not making any money. What is going to make you stand out? A bad attitude? Erratic behaviour? Childish arguments? I know personally that I wouldn't want to stand out for any of those reasons. I do not take crap from clients either, but not taking crap and acting like a spolied brat, allowing your mouth to run away with you, are two very different things.

Customer Service Skills need to be practiced, especially when you're dealing with potential clients. We're service providers, as Brandy said. I hope you take time to read the link below and to understand that your job isn't just in the sack...you have to get them there first. And being rude, offensive, ignorant, idiotic, childish, belligerent...isn't going to get them to part with their money. Quite the opposite!

http://www.businessballs.com/customer_service.htm

Again, don't take this personally Joey. I'd say the same to anybody who dealt with clients this way.

Love Alex x

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You've summed it up very succinctly. I really have nothing more to add to this thread, I've run dry. Except to say, telling somebody to go get a better job, just because he couldn't afford your rates (not that you weren't worth it) is just plain nasty, not to mention mean. Especially in this economic climate.
Apart from that, I've nothing else to add. Alex did just fine.