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sophiebray

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Newbie - Looking for advice
« on: 28 April 2011, 10:43:28 pm »
Hi, I'm Sophie. New to the whole escorting - 2 weeks into it - and I guess I'm looking for advice amongst other things from someone who's in the business. I'm in Stockport/South Manchester and was hoping to meet up for coffee after previous contact etc. I had a bad day the other day with a knob head client, I'm very determined and don't want to quit before I know I've given it a good try. Some coping strategies would be fantastic!

Thanks very much guys....your other forum posts have been very helpful!

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Re: Newbie - Looking for advice
« Reply #1 on: 29 April 2011, 11:14:53 am »
Hi Sophie, welcome to SAAFE. :)

First of all - argh, I can really empathise with you about that first (or even second or third - they are so inventive and it takes a while for our instincts to overtake their creepy wiles!) weird/horrible client; although I'm so careful and strict and strong now, I remember when I started it took me several months to really, really learn what it takes to avoid the nasties. And despite everything we all try and do here at SAAFE to help stop newbies from making any of the mistakes that we might have made ourselves, it's still unfortunately true that certain things are only learned from experience (like the true lengths that the rare but certified nutjobs will go to, to ruin our day). :-\

I can tell you straight away that the best coping strategy is prevention - sometimes I think when I talk about how strict I am when vetting clients, whether by phone or email, others might not really realise exactly what I mean. The best booking procedure, for example, involves literally inventing hurdles for your clients to jump over (a confirmation phonecall at the time you set, giving him directions to a place you've decided he must call you from before even telling him your precise street name/house number, sticking to your guns if you've set your working hours for the day but he's wheedling for a 10pm booking - and good lord, the safest advice of all is to just NEVER work after dark! Shocking to some, and unnecessary if you've got on-location security or an ex-wrestler boyfriend who waits in the garden while you bonk for cash, but a very important thing to consider if your security is a phone call AND a 30+ minute journey away) ... and watching very carefully how he behaves when he's told what to do. Sure, he might not be able to call at precisely 10am but if he's able to inform you politely and respectfully that he'll be in a meeting at the time so may he please call at 10.30 instead, then of course that's fine. It's not about being so strict that you just shout and tell them to bugger off! :P

It's just all about setting all your rules so that you can see how a client responds to them - if you say no texts, does he persist with the tedious SMSing? Then don't see him. If you say don't call after 8pm and you get 7 midnight missed calls from a guy? Don't see him. Explain why you won't see him if he asks (and I've given a few guys second chances, which I've usually regretted, when they seemed especially apologetic) but stick to your guns. If he pushes your boundaries in even a minor way before he's even met you, it's easy to imagine how vilely he might behave in person. Sure, I'm sure everyone has a story about how they ignored fifty 'sexts' from some berk before his appointment and then he was fine and obedient and even apologetic in person (i.e. when he saw you and realised you were actually a living human being rather than a willing sexbot), but I think we all also have a story or two about when we ignored our gut feeling and bloody regretted it. So I get stricter and stricter as time goes on, and I have fewer and fewer issues. I therefore highly recommend strictness! Our job isn't to see any horny bloke that calls; it's to entertain lovely gentlemen to our best ability and ignoring all the creeps and weirdos who make us want to straight up quit is an integral part of that.

The second best coping strategy is to meet up with a good friend and vent. :) Over wine and/or cheesecake, preferably! I think we all need that, especially because it's not our fault that even the strictest vetting procedures can let a right tosspot or two through occasionally, and so a big rant is the best cure for those icky feelings. Let it all out. But make sure you vet any potential new friends as carefully as you would a potential new client - remember, all sorts of people read these forums and some of them don't have our best interests at heart (mostly the annoying advertisers and directory spammers, blech, but we all know Even Worse lurks on the Internet, too) so meet in a public place and don't share personal info too soon, etc. :)

((hugs)) I hope that knobhead doesn't put you off working - it can be such a great job as long as certain wankers aren't ruining everything for us! You can always rant here, too (see the many posts in the Blather section!) so please don't ever feel you're alone.
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Re: Newbie - Looking for advice
« Reply #2 on: 29 April 2011, 11:58:39 am »
Thank you so much Emily. I think strictness has been my biggest problem, although I put up a strong exterior I'm a softy at heart. Looking back at my bad clients there was one which had telltale signs!!! I guess I need the money more than I thought I did to ignore those signals. I did have one stinky client, but it was a car booking (I had security following) therefore a shower was impossible. What do I do in those situations?

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Re: Newbie - Looking for advice
« Reply #3 on: 29 April 2011, 12:23:19 pm »
Baby wipes and mouthwash can help, but really I think you should just avoid weird booking situations like that. You say you must need the money more than you thought? Figure out just how much money you need; don't try to work it out by how desperate you feel!

Work what you need to get by and stick close to that until you've built up some savings so you have something to fall back on. If possible, it would also be a good idea to get your bank to authorise or extend an overdraft*, so if you find yourself short you can borrow at a low cost. Also work out what your options are if you can't cover all your expenses (eg. telling your utility companies you need more time to pay, borrowing from family).

Taking dodgy bookings that you have trouble coping with will get you fed up and burned out. Keeping yourself happy enough to make money from good punters makes better sense financially in the long run.


*This is assuming you're not the sort of person who spends whatever money is available to you. If you are then that's a habit you need to break, because it'll get you in even more trouble now that you're self-employed.

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Re: Newbie - Looking for advice
« Reply #4 on: 29 April 2011, 12:40:43 pm »
I live at home so barely have any outgoings, and I don't drive so car meets are something I do on a regular basis with all safety procedures. I feel okay with doing them, it's something I did in my private life so a while so if anything it's more comfortable for me. My first booking was great, he was respectful, honest, easy to get on with and smoked too so I could enjoy a cigarette with him. I've done a couple of hotel meets which were perfect and I've even had 2 clients who were GORGEOUS! Judging by what you guys have said,looks like I've been lucky in that sense. I have another client today, I asked a few new questions after reading this forum.

What screening process do you have?

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« Reply #5 on: 30 April 2011, 11:17:04 am »
my main rule is that if they cant follow my very simple rules ie text before xxxxx or they are pushing me to see them at a time i dont work and are insistent or just being a idiot ect  then i dont see them

i have the views if they are being a pain in my ass before i see them they will be 100 xxxx worse when i do meet them   
always always listen to your gut insincts if it dont feel right then it aint right dont get swayed by the money - its not good to you if you cant work anymore
   
this little rule has kept me relativly sane and safe for a long time

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Re: Newbie - Looking for advice
« Reply #6 on: 30 April 2011, 11:59:05 am »
What screening process do you have?

I think that as we're mostly 'indoor' workers here (I think car meets are generally considered more closely related [in terms of risks etc] to street work?) the first answer that'll pop into most of our heads is "Don't accept requests for car meets". You probably have been VERY lucky with the ones you've done (although having good security is of course a smart move :) - are you making sure that all your clients are aware that you have security nearby? For example, making a security phonecall in front of the client at the start of the appointment so that he hears you say "Yes, I'm with John, all is well so far. I'll phone you after the appointment so you know I'm safe." This is extremely likely to deter your everyday nutjob because he will know that you're not easy prey working alone) and I think that if you want to focus on safety, security and sanity in your work, you'd be wise to consider only visiting hotels.

It does depend a little on your location - for example, having a Central London incall means there's absolutely no need for me to visit the homes of clients I've never met before, and I don't even travel to far-off hotels because 99% of my clients want incalls because it's cheaper and more convenient for them - but I know smart women can make a decent living from sensible outcalls only because I've seen it done. :D

But I was talking to a couple of friends yesterday about how we all did things when we were new that we'd never consider now; when I was new, I thought this job entailed meeting all sorts of gits and that that's just how things were. Now I know you can make a good living even if you only see the most polite and respectful men and turn all the others down - but it takes time to experience this for yourself, and to establish yourself etc, so unfortunately it's almost certainly going to be tough for a newbie.

Have you considered working for a (nice) parlour? There is a huge choice and yes, you might have to travel to the nearest large city to work for a more popular one (if you check out punter sites like Punternet and Punterlink, Google to find 'em, you'll see from the numbers of positive reviews of certain establishments that they are somewhat beloved by the clients - and happy clients usually means, on the whole, happy girls & a decent working environment) but you can expect to be busy at these popular ones, taking home several hundred pounds a day while working at a massively reduced risk to your personal safety because there'll be other girls and a maid etc at the same location.

To be honest, I think there are certain personal preferences that have no place in a healthy working life. I might prefer incredibly intimate monogamous relationships in my personal life but to try to turn each booking into something like that? It'd obviously be a rather weird, unpleasant and un-sensible way of doing things! Similarly, I think that enjoying doin' sexy stuff in cars with special friends in civvy life does not necessarily mean that that's the best way to work, and I would even venture to say that having satisfying/horny [for you] work sex should be the least of your priorities. With a boyfriend, if he suggested meeting up in a hotel for a couple of hours of sex and wine, I wouldn't be into it - that's a work sex environment, to me! So if a client suggests it, I'm 100% up for it because I know it's a scenario I'd feel amazingly comfortable with in a working situation. Not sure if I'm explaining this right - basically, I just mean: Don't bring your personal sexual preferences into your work, especially not where it might compromise your safety and sanity while working. If you like car stuff in your personal life, that's great! But doing bookings (i.e. sex with strangers for cash) in cars is, statistically speaking, deeply unwise.

So perhaps looking at working in a more 'standard' way (from a hotel room that you've booked, or visiting clients in hotels only, or trying a good parlour or decent agency) would enable you to implement more of the common and effective safety procedures that we all use. I'm not sure there's much we can advise about car meets except either avoid them, or at least make sure to tell each client (in a calm and friendly way) that you've sent a picture of his license plate to your safety buddy ...but if he's determined to assault a prostitute, he's probably not using his own car. Or he might just scrap his car the next day and, despite DNA evidence, get away with a horrible crime - see this recent example if that sounds unlikely. :-\

If you're hosting incalls from a hotel room or other premises, or meeting clients for hotel/home outcalls, you can check out the main site and search this forum ('screening', 'safety', 'confirmation procedure' etc are good phrases to try) for loads of really great information on how to stay safe and be a happy, successful hooker. :)
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« Reply #7 on: 02 May 2011, 01:31:45 am »
The best coping strategy is not to have to cope, because you avoid the crap before it happens.

when I was new, I thought this job entailed meeting all sorts of gits and that that's just how things were. Now I know you can make a good living even if you only see the most polite and respectful men and turn all the others down - but it takes time to experience this for yourself, and to establish yourself etc, so unfortunately it's almost certainly going to be tough for a newbie.

I don't think it has to be done the hard way, but these are vitally important lessons to learn. You don't have to say yes to anyone with cash. Just because you said yes at one stage does not mean you cannot say no later on, like when it turns out he stinks and you feel there's nothing you can do about that. There's always something, even if that means ending the booking early.

Similarly, I think that enjoying doin' sexy stuff in cars with special friends in civvy life does not necessarily mean that that's the best way to work

Or even if you were enjoying doing it with random strangers.

Money changes things. One thing it means is that there are more people who want to see you robbed, raped or dead. Part of working safely is to make it as difficult as possible for them for it to happen to you. That does mean turning down some money, so the less desperate you are, the better.

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« Reply #8 on: 02 May 2011, 09:28:15 pm »
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i have the views if they are being a pain in my ass before i see them they will be 100 xxxx worse when i do meet them

Yeah I've started following this rule lately...blacklisted a lot of guys because of it :)

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I think car meets are generally considered more closely related [in terms of risks etc] to street work?

For me the difference is how it's organised, but I can totally understand why you see it that way.

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are you making sure that all your clients are aware that you have security nearby?

Every time :) I make a very obvious point of it....true to when I do outcalls as well

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Now I know you can make a good living even if you only see the most polite and respectful men and turn all the others down

Reading this forum has really helped remind me of that, and I'm very glad I came here. THANK YOU GIRLS!

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Have you considered working for a (nice) parlour?

One of the reasons I joined this job was to be my own boss, so I doubt that is something I'd do right now. Perhaps in the future though in which case I'll take into consideration your advice!

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I would even venture to say that having satisfying/horny [for you] work sex should be the least of your priorities

It isn't a priority for me, it's just what I find COMFORTABLE and for me there's a difference.

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see this recent example if that sounds unlikely.

I stay FAR AWAY from horror stories, I'm aware of them but draw my focus away from them.



Sorry for ALL the quotes...just wanted to respond to everything I could :) Thank you for your help guys!