Some fantasies are forbidden. It does not mean that you are insane, just that when we are going through puberty and beyond your curiosity can know no bounds. You have to accept and learn about your sexuality, I could not comment, I believe after many years of sexual experience that some people are different, and thats all there is to it. I am keeping my spaniel under lockdown though

Keep asking, keep learning, and don't worry. It will all fall in to place soon.

For the people wondering why I haven't said a word about beastiality, consider this. In my experience, if someone is asking, they aren't doing. Yet.

I'm sorry, but the idea that what people choose to think and fantasise about should be 'forbidden' or policed in some way is the most preposterous thing I have ever heard. No-one has the right to say what can and cannot go on in other people's heads, however distasteful it may be - a person's thoughts can be the only freedom they have.

Anyone who remembers the book thread on the Off Topic board a bit ago may remember the Nancy Friday books under discussion - anyone who is in any doubt about the diversity of what we would think of as extremely taboo fantasies would do well to flick through 'Women on Top' for example, which includes full sections both on this, plus incest and yes, the odd one even concerning children. That does not indicate for one minute that any of the authors acted on these fantasies (although of course it equally doesn't indicate that they did not).

As I have already said, this subject has now been adequately covered, and everyone needs to move on.

I think hotels are a great place for newbies to start incalls - apart from the obvious plus that there are other people about which makes it safer (and in the event that something happens and you have to draw attention to yourself, getting 'found out' won't matter to you that much), you don't have to worry about things like laundry or cleaning and of course, nobody finds out where you live (or compared to renting a work flat in London, the expense probably won't be that different once you bring bills, council tax and so on into things).

There are quite a few threads on the forum about working from hotels and doing incall days - search under 'Tours' as well, since a lot of the hotel-using tips will be found there .

Thank you XW5, that is what I meant, I certainly wouldn't try and police peoples thoughts. Sorry Amy, late night, I should have thought about what I was writing.

3 things:

1. It's a job.  Sometimes brill, mostly mundane, sometimes disgusting or scary.  Forget looking at this as a way of getting kicks. Yes you can have a lot of fun, but keep your head on, it's primarily a business.  Remember that and keep a balance.

2. Play rape, bondage on you plus your inexperience will get you hurt. You would be best off contacting sub escorts who offer similar, and chatting with them.  Chat with ones who are no where near you so you don't come across as direct competition.

Advertising bestiality services would be very illegal, there would also be no market for such a thing...the owner would charge you! most likely!

My boyfriend has just said to me that I seem to know rather too much about this subject!  

I'm sure there is a reason why it's illegal (animals cannot consent?)

Actually, it's probably more of a base "Ewww... ewwww... Unclean! Unclean!" rationale stemming from the same religiously inspired mores that makes people think ill of sex-work and sex-workers. Non-human animals (after all, humans are animals ourselves - great apes to be precise) can't consent to being slaughtered - potentially far worse than being quietly fondled or even all-out raped by a human - and that's perfectly legal, and mundane, and acceptable.

I'm neither vegetarian nor into bestiality myself, but I just find interesting the doublethink involved in attesting to the unethicality of bestiality due to the other animal's inherent inability to consent - in-between bites off a hamburger. Or like the case in Holland where they tried to have a goat testify as to whether the encounter was consensual - while in another country, a man was decided to be allowed to slaughter goats in exactly the horrid way that his religion dictated, presumably because religion is just a perfect carte-blanche for being needlessly barbaric. I don't think they asked the goat that time...

Headgirl, did you read my last post?

I hadn't at the time of posting...

Amy perhaps it would be an idea to delete this thread or lock it to prevent any further unwanted discussion? I'd be totally fine with it, the lovely ladies of the board have been more than helpful and tolerant of my initial stupidity!

Maria xx