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Annexian

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Crossing borders
« on: 24 May 2009, 10:16:30 pm »
Hi everyone.

I'm a male escort who lives and works in Toronto, Canada (where prostitution is legal). I've been to the United States (where it is highly ILLEGAL!) several times; one of them was to work for a few days. I'd like to do it more times in a few major cities. My question is to anyone who knows about American border security, or about anything to do with crossing borders as a known escort.

Before I get into any detail, I wonder if you think it's appropriate to ask questions related to how to avoid arrest in America? Of course I don't expect many British escorts to have much advice, but I wanted to check first if it was all right with the forum to bring the topic up in the first place.
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Hermione

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Re: Crossing borders
« Reply #1 on: 24 May 2009, 11:33:32 pm »
Have a dig on this site, and maybe you'll find some advice:
http://escortblogs.net/escortblogs.htm
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brandy@saafe

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Re: Crossing borders
« Reply #2 on: 25 May 2009, 09:14:57 am »
Hi and welcome to the site,
Thanks for asking first. I'm glad you did because to be honest I really don't want this site to get involved with giving advice on how to avoid getting arrested in the States. This site is widely read and I don't want it coming under any scrutiny or criticism for encouraging what is, an illegal activity in the States.

Sorry.
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UrbaneAspects

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Re: Crossing borders
« Reply #3 on: 25 May 2009, 09:53:19 am »
Quote from: Annexian on 24 May 2009, 10:16:30 pm
(where it is highly ILLEGAL!) I wonder if you think it's appropriate to ask questions related to how to avoid arrest in America? Of course I don't expect many British escorts to have much advice, but I wanted to check first if it was all right with the forum to bring the topic up in the first place.

Hi...

Ok, for one America is not that scary. Escorting is not illegal. Sex for money is. but not HIGHLY illegal. Its not like fucking Iran or Saudi Arabia where they'll probably cast you into a pit of fire and brimestone for being an escort  :D I wont go into too much detail though (like Brandy said) but its really not that big of a deal. You say as a known escort? Are you registered as a working escort in Toronto I assume where border patrol will be able to look you up and see you're an escort? Like I said its not illegal.

Best way to avoid arrest here is not to ever use sex (or anything like it) and money in the same sentence. The cops are more focused on arresting street workers for 'trespassing' and users of craigslists have to be very wary as sting operations run there frequently.
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brandy@saafe

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Re: Crossing borders
« Reply #4 on: 25 May 2009, 08:25:17 pm »
Quote from: JoeyR on 25 May 2009, 09:53:19 am

Hi...

Ok, for one America is not that scary. Escorting is not illegal. Sex for money is. but not HIGHLY illegal. Its not like fucking Iran or Saudi Arabia where they'll probably cast you into a pit of fire and brimestone for being an escort  :D I wont go into too much detail though (like Brandy said) but its really not that big of a deal. You say as a known escort? Are you registered as a working escort in Toronto I assume where border patrol will be able to look you up and see you're an escort? Like I said its not illegal.

Best way to avoid arrest here is not to ever use sex (or anything like it) and money in the same sentence. The cops are more focused on arresting street workers for 'trespassing' and users of craigslists have to be very wary as sting operations run there frequently.

Now you're just playing with words. But if you want to play, Annexian never mentioned anything about escorting (in the traditional sense of the word) being illegal, he mentioned that prostitution in the States is (highly) illegal, which it is. Highly or otherwise, it doesn't really matter does it? It's like saying I'm only a little bit pregnant. You either are or you aren't. Prostitution is either illegal or it's not.

Everybody knows what the word escorting means in the present day meaning, you're just being funny. You can have as many disclaimers on your website as you like, you can have code words for oral sex and anal, but at the end of the day you're not really fooling the police are you? All you're doing is not admitting to it.

It's true it's not as fire and brimstone as getting caught in Dubai, but it's still serious enough to get arrested (if caught), fingerprinted, fined, have a permanent record and in the OP's case, be deported back to Canada with a ban from visiting the States for x amount of years.

I reckon that's serious enough.
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brandy@saafe

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Re: Crossing borders
« Reply #5 on: 25 May 2009, 08:27:18 pm »
Quote from: brandy@saafe on 25 May 2009, 08:25:17 pm
Quote from: JoeyR on 25 May 2009, 09:53:19 am

Hi...

Ok, for one America is not that scary. Escorting is not illegal. Sex for money is. but not HIGHLY illegal. Its not like fucking Iran or Saudi Arabia where they'll probably cast you into a pit of fire and brimestone for being an escort  :D I wont go into too much detail though (like Brandy said) but its really not that big of a deal. You say as a known escort? Are you registered as a working escort in Toronto I assume where border patrol will be able to look you up and see you're an escort? Like I said its not illegal.

Best way to avoid arrest here is not to ever use sex (or anything like it) and money in the same sentence. The cops are more focused on arresting street workers for 'trespassing' and users of craigslists have to be very wary as sting operations run there frequently.

Now you're just playing with words. But if you want to play, Annexian never mentioned anything about escorting (in the traditional sense of the word) being illegal, he mentioned that prostitution in the States is (highly) illegal, which it is. Highly or otherwise, it doesn't really matter does it? It's like saying I'm only a little bit pregnant. You either are or you aren't. Prostitution is either illegal or it's not.

Everybody knows what the word escorting means in this present day, you're just being funny. You can have as many disclaimers on your website as you like, you can have code words for oral sex and anal, but at the end of the day you're not really fooling the police are you? All you're doing is not admitting to it.

It's true it's not as fire and brimstone as getting caught in Dubai, but it's still serious enough to get arrested (if caught), fingerprinted, fined, have a permanent record and in the OP's case, be deported back to Canada with a ban from visiting the States for x amount of years.

I reckon that's serious enough.

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UrbaneAspects

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Re: Crossing borders
« Reply #6 on: 26 May 2009, 08:03:57 am »
Quote from: brandy@saafe on 25 May 2009, 08:25:17 pm
Now you're just playing with words. It's like saying I'm only a little bit pregnant. You either are or you aren't. Prostitution is either illegal or it's not.

Everybody knows what the word escorting means in the present day meaning, you're just being funny. You can have as many disclaimers on your website as you like

 :o  but he asked...

Quote from: Annexian on 24 May 2009, 10:16:30 pm
I wonder if you think it's appropriate to ask questions related to how to avoid arrest in America?

So I told him. For heaven's sake, I mean thats not some arbitrary advice I gave. Many people follow along those lines here. My Gosh; I do live here so I think I have an idea of how it goes for crying out loud!  8)

Disclaimers and wording may not be 100% foolproof, but girlfriend, it lessens the chances! Thats why we dont offer 'services' on our websites like you all do over there. I think thats a start. I wasnt playing with words, I was giving actually ways not to put yourself out there.

Like I said, depending on where you are America is not that scary for crying out loud. Not getting (or getting) arrested is determined on who you are (gender) where you work, how you work, and a host of other things. I'm not making this stuff up in my head.

But Annexian if you rather believe all the hype and non-sense, just dont come here then. Simple. No worries. Everyone's happy. I gave my side and I live here. I cant help it if others say or believe differently. Thats not my job.

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Trafford

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Re: Crossing borders
« Reply #7 on: 26 May 2009, 08:35:08 am »
Quote from: Annexian on 24 May 2009, 10:16:30 pm
My question is to anyone who knows about American border security, or about anything to do with crossing borders as a known escort.


For the definitive answer you could try ringing border control and asking them. I have a feeling their answer will be closer to Brandy's than Joey's.

If my memeory serves me well, Penny did offer up an american escort buddy once, maybe she can help - try gettng her details from Penny at http://www.escortbuddys.com
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UrbaneAspects

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Re: Crossing borders
« Reply #8 on: 26 May 2009, 08:38:23 am »
Quote from: Trafford on 26 May 2009, 08:35:08 am
I have a feeling their answer will be closer to Brandy's than Joey's.

I didnt mention anything about Border patrol. I'm saying once he gets past that. I've never entered the U.S. as a foreigner so I cant say. and I didnt say. I'm just saying once you're here and settled.
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brandy@saafe

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Re: Crossing borders
« Reply #9 on: 26 May 2009, 09:40:05 am »
Quote from: JoeyR on 26 May 2009, 08:38:23 am

I didnt mention anything about Border patrol. I'm saying once he gets past that. I've never entered the U.S. as a foreigner so I cant say. and I didnt say. I'm just saying once you're here and settled.

But as a visitor to the States that's one of the main questions, crossing the border as a known escort. Yes you live there and of course you know more than me when it comes to working in the States. But that's the point, you live there. You don't have to worry about crossing the border and what happens if you're caught. Known or found out.
If people like me and the OP want to keep visiting the States, we have to be more on our toes than you guys. It's as simple as that.
« Last Edit: 26 May 2009, 10:00:41 am by brandy@saafe »
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Re: Crossing borders
« Reply #10 on: 26 May 2009, 01:15:37 pm »
The basic bit of advice for escorting in the US, outside a legal Nevada brothel or Rhode Island, is to never ever ever say something that could be interpreted by a court as implying 'I will have sex with you for money'.

"Turning Pro: A Guide to Sex Work for the Ambitious and the Intrigued" by Magdalene Meretrix has rather more, with examples of where it went wrong.
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Annexian

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Re: Crossing borders
« Reply #11 on: 02 June 2009, 06:10:22 pm »
Thank you everyone for your responses. I'm glad I asked first whether it was appropriate.

As for "hype," I think I'm right to be nervous because I've worked in Canada and I've worked in the US, friends of mine have also worked in both systems, and I'm able to make the comparison. The two sex industries are very different one from the other. It's dangerous there; and I know because they've come after me before (I've very narrowly escaped) and because of the ridiculous lengths that escorts have to go to to hide. I'd just as soon not do time in a foreign prison before I'm 21, and perhaps be unable to attend some professional conference in the US someday just because I charged for sex back in the '00s. If it were just fingerprinting, deportation and temporarily being banned from the country, I could accept that, but I just don't know whether it will be only that or prison too.

Furthermore, as Brandy said (thank you!) American escorts who live in the US have their own set of issues, but my particular concern is getting grilled by National Security every time I go there to supplement my income. I'm a "known escort" in the sense that a number of police departments have files on me because they're watching us online! I have had experiences that confirm this with absolute certainty.

Although it's ideal not to mention sex ever (that works for Americans who live in the US full-time), the fact is that I openly advertise it online for my service in Canada. That's just how the industry works here - because no one has to fear arrest, you have to talk about it openly to make any money. All the advertising and communication here deals with anal, oral, condoms, watersports, the works. I imagine it's similar in parts of Europe.

Because of this, I'd have to say to an American judge: "Why yes, I do actually prostitute myself in Canada, but in the US I sell nothing but innocent body rubs!" and have essentially no chance at all of being believed. This is why I wanted to confirm whether I had to be caught in the act, or whether it was possible to be arrested at the border just for being who they think I am.
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