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Re: New starter - marketing high-cost outcalls
« Reply #45 on: 25 March 2018, 02:05:16 am »
No I don't have anyone to duo with...well I could with my friend but she'll struggling for new clients too.

My time is a little flexible, but I'm mainly available in the evenings say from 6pm and I'm available all weekends. I'm flexible for travel and can be available during day if I have to. My schedule doesn't particularly affect business, I don't think. Most business men would book after working hours. I don't even state my available on ads and my AW calendar is free 24/7.

Indeed hotel/incall can be a little....not intimidating....maybe awkward? I'm kinda shy and a little nervous thinking about incalls...lol. But I'm seriously considering testing it out.

I do really just prefer outcalls. That's my market.

Thanks for your input. I appreciate it. 🙂

Similar hours to me then although I don't offer every weeknight. Could you ask them for a deposit to cover a room cost of they do book the room and even if they no show no no loss? You can always use the room for escort but not for sleeping and chilling? Make It feel like an outcall?  It depends on your ads but I think outcall is tougher than it sounds unless your agency and can charge 500+ as a result.

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Re: New starter - marketing high-cost outcalls
« Reply #46 on: 25 March 2018, 01:43:27 pm »
Similar hours to me then although I don't offer every weeknight. Could you ask them for a deposit to cover a room cost of they do book the room and even if they no show no no loss? You can always use the room for escort but not for sleeping and chilling? Make It feel like an outcall?  It depends on your ads but I think outcall is tougher than it sounds unless your agency and can charge 500+ as a result.

I offer incall at ?100 more, with a deposit and 24hrs notice. But incall clients are generally instant bookers or few hours notice. Not 24hrs or more.

When theu call, they are ready for their session not book a day in advance, let alone more days.

My rate is currently 250, not 500. But yeah outcalls is not as popular.


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Re: New starter - marketing high-cost outcalls
« Reply #47 on: 25 March 2018, 01:53:57 pm »
for me, it is just a job that pays the bills tbh. I could earn more in a full time civvy job but i wouldn't have the flexibility.

have you thought about increasing your minimum date length and not offering single hours?

I already have a job that pays the bills, escorting means a lot more to me than that and I would hate to turn it into just another job.

Yes I have and that's my actual business concepts as I cater for real GFE with longer sessions. But I realised 1 and 2 hours sessions are the main demands. And generally speaking, new clients who want to try a short session to assess chemistry before jumping into dinner dates and overnight e.t.c, especially with a newbie without reviews. Hence my minimum starts at 1hr.

Otherwise ideally, my service will start from 3 hours at 500.

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Re: New starter - marketing high-cost outcalls
« Reply #48 on: 25 March 2018, 11:18:41 pm »
If you don't want to do it for less than 500 then why don't you charge that for 3 or 4 hours and just not offer any shorter bookings? You should get a few then but 500 ph isn't going to happen on aw, I think you'd need your own website or to belong to a posh agency for that

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Re: New starter - marketing high-cost outcalls
« Reply #49 on: 26 March 2018, 11:51:14 pm »
If you don't want to do it for less than 500 then why don't you charge that for 3 or 4 hours and just not offer any shorter bookings? You should get a few then but 500 ph isn't going to happen on aw, I think you'd need your own website or to belong to a posh agency for that

This is actually a good point....I don't think many of the ladies charging nosebleed rates are relying on aw.

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Re: New starter - marketing high-cost outcalls
« Reply #50 on: 27 March 2018, 12:24:46 am »
also ?500ph agency work, probably nets you about ?350 ph. Also, as I've said above lots of those girls also have other personas charging much less. Adultwork works for me (slowly but still works!) when i have had rates of ?250. They are ?200 at the minute and I find that's about the right volume for me.

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Re: New starter - marketing high-cost outcalls
« Reply #51 on: 20 April 2018, 07:40:03 pm »
From what I gather you're on social media and you follow other ladies, right?
I used to be in exactly your situation one year ago and making the same mistakes. Set my rates based on what others were charging and thought I'd be swimming in money a few months later. It didn't happen... It took months before I was able to pay my bills and save some money (and I had a permanent incall location contrary to you).
The truth is that the best way to start in this business is to start at a lower rate, have set days per week for incalls, work on getting some regulars and reviews, invest some of what you make in professional shoots, gorgeous website and premium ads. When you feel like you can comfortably raise your rates, do it! But you'll probably feel like you won't need to. Clients at £140ph are as lovely as clients at £250ph. If anything, they'll expect less and be way happier with your service.
And don't believe in what you see in social media because:
That girl that is very exclusive and charges £300 ph and is fully booked secretly has another persona where she charges £160;
That lady that just posted a photo of a hotel suite and says "bla bla bla overnight" is actually a photo that she took months ago when she booked the room for a photoshoot;
That designer bag that was a gift from "lovely client M." is a knockoff that she bought when she was touring HK last week;
That michelin star restaurant where a client took a lady for a dinner date is actually a picture of that escort's anniversary dinner with her boyfriend.
A lot of it is bullshit...and that is ok because it's how they choose to market themselves. It's only sad that it creates false expectations to newbies, like it did to me.
My advice for you would be this: maybe increase the duration of your dates? Maybe 1h30 for £250. Saying to a client "hey, this is my rate but you can stay as long as you want" is bound to create a boundary pusher and a bad client who might expect every girl to do that for him.

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Re: New starter - marketing high-cost outcalls
« Reply #52 on: 21 April 2018, 04:10:41 am »
From what I gather you're on social media and you follow other ladies, right?
I used to be in exactly your situation one year ago and making the same mistakes. Set my rates based on what others were charging and thought I'd be swimming in money a few months later. It didn't happen... It took months before I was able to pay my bills and save some money (and I had a permanent incall location contrary to you).
The truth is that the best way to start in this business is to start at a lower rate, have set days per week for incalls, work on getting some regulars and reviews, invest some of what you make in professional shoots, gorgeous website and premium ads. When you feel like you can comfortably raise your rates, do it! But you'll probably feel like you won't need to. Clients at £140ph are as lovely as clients at £250ph. If anything, they'll expect less and be way happier with your service.
And don't believe in what you see in social media because:
That girl that is very exclusive and charges £300 ph and is fully booked secretly has another persona where she charges £160;
That lady that just posted a photo of a hotel suite and says "bla bla bla overnight" is actually a photo that she took months ago when she booked the room for a photoshoot;
That designer bag that was a gift from "lovely client M." is a knockoff that she bought when she was touring HK last week;
That michelin star restaurant where a client took a lady for a dinner date is actually a picture of that escort's anniversary dinner with her boyfriend.
A lot of it is bullshit...and that is ok because it's how they choose to market themselves. It's only sad that it creates false expectations to newbies, like it did to me.
My advice for you would be this: maybe increase the duration of your dates? Maybe 1h30 for £250. Saying to a client "hey, this is my rate but you can stay as long as you want" is bound to create a boundary pusher and a bad client who might expect every girl to do that for him.

All brilliant points.

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Re: New starter - marketing high-cost outcalls
« Reply #53 on: 21 April 2018, 09:39:37 am »
I already have a job that pays the bills, escorting means a lot more to me than that and I would hate to turn it into just another job.

Yes I have and that's my actual business concepts as I cater for real GFE with longer sessions. But I realised 1 and 2 hours sessions are the main demands. And generally speaking, new clients who want to try a short session to assess chemistry before jumping into dinner dates and overnight e.t.c, especially with a newbie without reviews. Hence my minimum starts at 1hr.

Otherwise ideally, my service will start from 3 hours at 500.

Be careful saying you offer  Real GFE as some guys will take that to mean you offer bare back xx
GG x

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Re: New starter - marketing high-cost outcalls
« Reply #54 on: 21 April 2018, 11:07:14 pm »
From what I gather you're on social media and you follow other ladies, right?
I used to be in exactly your situation one year ago and making the same mistakes. Set my rates based on what others were charging and thought I'd be swimming in money a few months later. It didn't happen... It took months before I was able to pay my bills and save some money (and I had a permanent incall location contrary to you).
The truth is that the best way to start in this business is to start at a lower rate, have set days per week for incalls, work on getting some regulars and reviews, invest some of what you make in professional shoots, gorgeous website and premium ads. When you feel like you can comfortably raise your rates, do it! But you'll probably feel like you won't need to. Clients at £140ph are as lovely as clients at £250ph. If anything, they'll expect less and be way happier with your service.
And don't believe in what you see in social media because:
That girl that is very exclusive and charges £300 ph and is fully booked secretly has another persona where she charges £160;
That lady that just posted a photo of a hotel suite and says "bla bla bla overnight" is actually a photo that she took months ago when she booked the room for a photoshoot;
That designer bag that was a gift from "lovely client M." is a knockoff that she bought when she was touring HK last week;
That michelin star restaurant where a client took a lady for a dinner date is actually a picture of that escort's anniversary dinner with her boyfriend.
A lot of it is bullshit...and that is ok because it's how they choose to market themselves. It's only sad that it creates false expectations to newbies, like it did to me.
My advice for you would be this: maybe increase the duration of your dates? Maybe 1h30 for £250. Saying to a client "hey, this is my rate but you can stay as long as you want" is bound to create a boundary pusher and a bad client who might expect every girl to do that for him.

Don't I know it! Lol...is all a marketing ploy. I was very surprised when I see some of the girls I thought were charging 300+ having lower rate on the low down. I'm not sure how they think client wouldn't find out. They shop around!

Very good points, but am leaving my rate at 300. That's tge lowest that am prepared to go. I'm in London and 300 is not expensive.

I started scheduling incalls on Thursday and things are picking up. I'll post an update on my journey in few weeks.

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Re: New starter - marketing high-cost outcalls
« Reply #55 on: 21 April 2018, 11:34:18 pm »
If you can market yourself properly as a high class escort (fancy website, fancy location, fancy photos and fancy text) absolutely go for it. there's definately a market in london for the 300 crowd, however.. do keep in mind that you won't have men lining up your door, but if you're ok with being low volume (as in 2, 3 or 4) clients a week then absolutely go for it.
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Re: New starter - marketing high-cost outcalls
« Reply #56 on: 30 June 2018, 12:44:44 pm »
I have a friend who started escorting this year, we shared an apartment & she wasn’t getting any calls nevermind jobs. I checked her prof & her rates were £300hr incall...In manchester 😐 I suggest maybe she’s charging far too high considering she isn’t established but she said she doesn’t wanna change her prices. I think she may have dropped them to 200hr but don’t think she’s busy at all. Especially in Manchester where I’d say the going rate is 100-160 for an Incall

I mean I think everyone would like to be able to charge what they think they’re worth but it really doesn’t work like that. I’ve worked in parlours £50 for half an hour, agencies earning £70-£120 an hour, & indipendant charging £120 for incalls. I think sometimes you just gotta take what you can get & work towards more.

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Re: New starter - marketing high-cost outcalls
« Reply #57 on: 30 June 2018, 01:44:25 pm »
I mean I think everyone would like to be able to charge what they think they’re worth but it really doesn’t work like that.

It doesn't, but that's because nobody is selling themselves - human beings can't have a monetary value and punters are not buying us. We're selling a service, and if somebody is going to charge vastly higher sums than others for what amounts to the broadly the same group of things - shagging, blow jobs, massages and so on - then they need to think of good reasons that will make punters pay that premium instead of just going to Flossie down the road who is pretty, nice, enthusiastic and charges half as much.

The reasons don't actually have to be real (the 'exclusivity' illusion that you charge loads and therefore only shag one random a month rather than five a day appeals to some punters, for example) but that's basically what it is. Marketing, in other words :).

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Re: New starter - marketing high-cost outcalls
« Reply #58 on: 06 August 2023, 06:30:29 pm »
Hello everyone! 🙂

I always thought I'll come back to this thread and share my updates once I figured it out, but then I stopped being active and never did. Then pandemic came and I was off work for 1.5 years and went back to lurking lol.

Anyway, I logged in one day and read a thread where Amy had replied saying "... I think she's still around somewhere..." referring to me ... lol ... and I thought, oh yeah, I am! 🤣

 
Then I remembered, I promised myself to update the thread and share my experience once I figured things out. So here it is.

Wow, how times flies! This career started officially (lol) in 2018 and is now 2023! Well, like Amy said, I am still around. Very much so.

Without boring you with a long essay, after this thread, I tried some hotel incall using Day Use, but that idea didn't work for me.

I really took time to understand the industry for the first year and half, did a lot of information gathering/research, spoke to a variety of people, including agency owmers, directory owners, read a lot of sex workers forums and clients ones (yike! haha). During that time I worked on and off as outcall only, but took some incalls where the clients were happy to pay for the hotel. These were few and far between - I guess is because they were charged extra for that.

My rate for the first 1.5 years was 300/hr, plus additional 100 for transport fare for outcalls or hotel, for those who wanted incall.

By the end of 1.5 years or so, I had figured out what worked and didn't for me. It was then, I launched my brand and focused on attracting the business I wanted. one of the key changes was new pictures. Turned out the ones I had prior weren't doing me any justice. Rates increased to 400/hr and transport fare for outcalls remained an additional cost, but I think I removed the 100 flat rate and provided a fee on a case by case basis. Incall for those interested was still an additional 100 - but as I said, I rarely got it.

It was successful and going well for a few months when pandemic struck, and like most people, I closed the office and waited it out.

I tried to work during the 2nd wave of locked down/pandemic when most people resumed, but it wasn't worth it, because I was still outcall only and my clientele had been predominantly international. So I had to wait it out, and for other personal reasons, it wasn't worth it.

Anyway, fast forward to late/end of 2021, and I eventually resumed business. Revamped the brand and introduced incall facility. Rate increased steadily to what it is now, between 400-500/hr. I still get mostly outcalls and still charge extra for taxi fare, but I have gradually built up a small pool of incall clients.

I guess I fall into that low volume category, which works for me, but now I have the capacity to take on more clients and so would love to increase my volume. No plan to change rate anytime soon, and any changes will likely be increase to reflect inflation, but I'm happy where my rate are at the moment. No complain.

That's it. That's my story. I'm now just another LondonEscort2023 haha.

A big thanks to the forum members who participated and gave insightful advice back in 2018, and to all the active members of Saaf, you are all appreciated.

PS: I didn't read the OP/thread before posting this update, so is very possible I missed something or say something contradicting... Please feel free to ask for clarification.
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