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General Category => Questions and Answers => Topic started by: Gracious on 04 March 2017, 07:53:16 pm
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Every NEW client Ive met who has asked me in comms "how many times can I cum in a booking?" has always ended up cumming quickly - and hard - to a point where they cant go again and tell me that they are done.
So I just got back from an outcall seeing a new client. In comms, we were going back and forth whether Id stay for 45 mins or 1 hour but in the end we settled at one hour. He came really hard 25 mins in then asks if we can reduce the meet to 45 mins :FF At first I told him that was fine but I dont give refunds, but then I felt bad so gave him back a bit of money. I tried getting him up again but 2 mins later he looks at me and says hes done so the meet only lasted 30 mins.
As this was the first time Id seen him I was torn: on one hand, I believe that if they want to end the booking early we shouldnt feel inclined to offer a partial refund but on the other hand, it shows courtesy and Id like to think he would be grateful of this and in turn, think about booking me again in the future.
So do you offer refunds when a new client wants to end a booking early? If you dont, how do you handle it (what do you say) so it doesnt make it awkward? Or do you feel that clients should always be giving partial refunds as a goodwill gesture?
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No refunds.
Offering 45 minutes opens the door to clock watching by clients. Very few escorts offer less than one hour outcall.
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When I did outcalls it was for a minimum of an hour and this was stated on my profile.For incalls I will occaisionally give a partial refund if the booking finishes early but this is when they don't ask and they have been really nice.
If a guy asks and he is over half the time of the original booking then the answer is no.Although rarely have I been asked this anyway.
The only time I think they are entitled to any sort of refund is if the sex worker makes no attempt to get them going again or if they don't give the services that they claim to do and the guy has a genuine reason to be unhappy.
If they choose to end a booking early because basically they are fully satisfied and don't want to hang around then that is their problem.They should ask you to slow down if they are the type who can't pop again or can't get hard again.
It's really not on especially if you have potentially turned down other bookings thinking that Mr X is having an hour only to have him wrap up and try and get money back after 30 mins.
At the end of the day you wouldn't wade through half your dinner at a restaurant,decide you are full and ask if you can only pay for half nor would they offer you money back for that reason!
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He is paying for your time. Never give refunds.
I've had half hour clients leave within 10 minutes and hour clients after half an hour.
I only do incalls but for outcalls I would recommend you stick to a minimum of 1 hour.
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I dont think offering 1 hour min for outcalls is going to make any significant difference (to this matter anyways). I actually offer 30 min outcalls too if they live within a reasonable distance because I was doing outcalls only up until last month, and in some ways I still prefer outcalls to incalls but thats just me (and another discussion for another thread). I dont feel inclined to offer min of 1 hour because I enjoy the quick meets (as well as 1 hour) and this particular situation doesnt happen very often anyways - but its been on my mind for some time.
I guess the same Q can be asked with incalls. Would you still offer no refunds if they want to reduce the booking within the meet? If so, how would you word it so it doesnt make things awks?
He was a nice guy and the booking was ok. We didnt even have sex, he came from a HJ so it wasnt a rushed meet. He only asked if the booking can be reduced: he didnt ask for a refund but after I told him I dont offer refunds I felt bad hence the reason I gave him back some money so I guess I only have myself to blame for not being a tough bitch :FF
At the end of the day you wouldn't wade through half your dinner at a restaurant,decide you are full and ask if you can only pay for half nor would they offer you money back for that reason!
Thats a very interesting analogy!
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Thinking about it more I think the best way forward would be for me to tell guys that I dont permit a reduced booking once the booking has started. I think that will make me feel less guilty/awkward if I put it like that instead LOL
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It the same as guys saying I'll book half an hour and then I might extend it to an hour
No you won't idiot I give a discount if you book 1 hr it ?120
So I charge ?120 for an hour and ?80 for & half two half hours is ?160 so if you book me it's cheaper than two half hours and I think we all probably do this
So it's get right on my nerves that they think they can book 30 mins at ?80 and then get another half an hour for ?40
I know , I know that's it the same price as my hour ?120. But it not well not in my head it not the same ( bangs my head against the wall) )
Anyone else feel this way it's irrational I know but I won't budge on it
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No refunds-ever.
I regularly have clients who don't stay for the duration.
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So whats the best way you would put it if a client decides to end the booking in 1/2 and asks for a bit of money back? Id love to know what some of you would actually say to them!!
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So whats the best way you would put it if a client decides to end the booking in 1/2 and asks for a bit of money back? Id love to know what some of you would actually say to them!!
I do outcalls and don't give refunds. If they ask to reduce the time I say I'm sorry but you booked for xx and I kept xx amount of time free for you. If you aren't able to go again I can give you a massage or stay and chat if you'd like, but I can't give you any refund I'm afraid.
That's it. Say it nicely and I've never had a problem.
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To be honest, Gracious, it never happens to me.
Is it possible you could incorporate this into your profile? Also, I would advise not offering Outcalls of less than an hour's duration.
My clients would never dare but if one did, I would just repeat the usual mantra, 'You pay for my time, blah blah blah.'
Once that money is in my grubby mits, only Satan himself could prize it from me.
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So whats the best way you would put it if a client decides to end the booking in 1/2 and asks for a bit of money back? Id love to know what some of you would actually say to them!!
Easy!Sorry love but you booked for x time which meant that time was then blocked out for other clients,now you can stay and I can play with you some more or give you a massage or you can make the choice to leave your appointment early but I can't refund you anything.
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To be honest, Gracious, it never happens to me.
This is the 2nd time its happened but the first time was with a reg. Ive had lots of guys finish and leave early but they have never asked to "reduce the booking". They just get ready and go
Is it possible you could incorporate this into your profile?
Im not sure this is going to make a difference. He didnt even know how much I charged for the hour even though its clearly stated on my profile!
Also, I would advise not offering Outcalls of less than an hour's duration.
But it could happen if he booked for 1.5 hours and wanted to reduce to 1 hour so I dont think min of 1 hour outcall will make any significant difference, but I do enjoy shorter outcalls too so would like to keep offering shorter outcalls
Once that money is in my grubby mits, only Satan himself could prize it from me.
Haha!!
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I have done both outcalls and incalls and have never been asked for a refund - nor would I give one if asked! I now only do incalls.
With outcalls my minimum booking was 1 hour, and if the client had asked for a refund I would politely state that "my minimum booking is 1 hour at x amount, for the remaining 30 mins I can give you a massage" - easier said than done, but one has to be firm with clients sometimes!
I am quite chatty with clients, so normally when this happens I tend to strike up conversation about anything and everything, just to fill the time. Being incall only now and offering a very vanilla gfe, if they cum early, I offer to make them a drink (like a tea/coffee) and we chat and cuddle until the remaining time is up.
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My minimum outcall is an hour, whether they live 5 miles away (I do have this according to my sat nav, but its a pokey little way to get there) or 25 miles away. Think about it this way, even though you prefer outcalls - which I also do, but to hotels - if you weren't on that, you could have done, for example, 2 x 30 mins. Or worked into 2 x 1 hr.
Now everyone works differently and (mostly for health reasons) I wouldn't have appointments running so closely together, but the point still stands about time I've set aside in the day for travelling, having this appointment, then travelling back, showering, touching up make up etc in time to be ready for another appointment. I love outcalls! But business wise, I won't offer refunds from a cold, business perspective - they can easily take up 2 hours, if not more, of my day. In that hour I'm not potentially having sex/being sexy/doing sexytime because I'm driving, I could be answering calls, emails, or having more sexytime and making more money. Business is business.
So as much as I might like a person - and I do have plenty of clients I genuinely do think are pretty sound blokes - you've bought my time for X period. If you want to leave, or for me to leave before that time, that's your decision to make - you're a grown man. I'll happily stay for that time; I'll continue to be sexual with you, or we can sit and chat, laugh, do whatever really. There's plenty of times I've found bookings have overran by 5-10 mins just by chatting and laughing with some clients. But if you look at your own watch and call it a day, well, I'll remind you that you have X amount of time left, or more likely that it's only... If you still want to leave, that's your call. Without being blunt, I don't recall ever getting a part refund on anything else I bought and used part of.
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I have refunded clients occasionally but mostly on my term. I think I have only been asked once for a refund for unused time which I did out of goodwill. If the client is easy and I want repeat business, I would offer a refund of any unused time above my minimum of 1 hour. Most times, it's those that book for 90 minutes and are then done by 45 minutes. I would keep my hourly rate and give them the excess of the 90 min rate. Sometimes, they refuse my return so I get to keep the money and look like a nice person ;D
I find that I very rarely have men leaving early if they have booked for 2 hours or more.
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I have refunded clients occasionally but mostly on my term. I think I have only been asked once for a refund for unused time which I did out of goodwill. If the client is easy and I want repeat business, I would offer a refund of any unused time above my minimum of 1 hour. Most times, it's those that book for 90 minutes and are then done by 45 minutes. I would keep my hourly rate and give them the excess of the 90 min rate. Sometimes, they refuse my return so I get to keep the money and look like a nice person ;D
I find that I very rarely have men leaving early if they have booked for 2 hours or more.
I too have occasionally refunded some of the fee when they've decided they are happy to leave, or they need to be somewhere and didn't allow enough time. It's never under my minimum, and to be honest it's not encouraged them to rebook. I suspect they just aren't interested. On all of these occasions bar one, all services have been on offer, and me perfectly pleasant or the full time. The other time I had been a bit uppety at the start. I'd just moved and had found redirecting everyone very wearing. Back then I didn't sight clients, once I started sighting them at a landmark from which I could point out the door, directing became a lot easier (he'd over shot the door, wouid have had a better chance first time if I'd been able to point it out rather than direct blind from around the corner).
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It used to bother me when I first started if a man left early and would worry it was me somehow. I soon realised that men can change after they cum- their guilt kicks in or they feel weird or just they've got what they want so see no reason I hanging around or they genuinely have to be somewhere else and just booked an hour because they think that was the 'right' thing to do or indeed they have over estimated their sexual stamina! I offer outcalls at an hour minimum but will do 30 and 45 mins incall so if it's an incall they had the choice to book less time so it's their fault they booked for an hour so I don't really have any sympathy.
I never give refunds, even when they have paid for say 2 hours and only last 40 minutes, but I don't think I have ever been asked on an outcall for a refund.
What I have done if someone finishes much earlier than they should and want a refund is explain that it isn't fair as I could have taken another booking for the full amount but I'd add the time onto their next booking.
However, I would say if someone is being a real arsehole or you feel scared you shouldn't feel bad about giving a refund to get them out of your place.
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It used to bother me when I first started if a man left early and would worry it was me somehow. I soon realised that men can change after they cum- their guilt kicks in or they feel weird or just they've got what they want so see no reason I hanging around or they genuinely have to be somewhere else and just booked an hour because they think that was the 'right' thing to do or indeed they have over estimated their sexual stamina! I offer outcalls at an hour minimum but will do 30 and 45 mins incall so if it's an incall they had the choice to book less time so it's their fault they booked for an hour so I don't really have any sympathy.
Me too!!! When I did outcalls it was all about me arriving/leaving on time but now doing incalls, its about about them arriving/leaving on time. It used to bother me as well when they'd booked for a 30 min incall but (cum and) leave 10 mins later, but then I realised that once they have busted their nut they dont feel compelled to stay longer for a cuppa or a chat haha! So Ive now switched my way of thinking and pat myself on the back that I can provide a non rushed meet and still satisfy them in 1/2 the time they've booked ;D
What I have done if someone finishes much earlier than they should and want a refund is explain that it isn't fair as I could have taken another booking for the full amount but I'd add the time onto their next booking.
I was speaking offline to another sex worker who suggested the same thing - giving them 'credit' by adding on additional time to their next booking. I could possibly consider this, depending on the situation Im faced but I wouldnt do this often because Id be having to keep tabs on the extra time Ive given clients and I just want to keep my business simple and uncomplicated. Im just glad this doesnt happen often though otherwise Id be pulling my weave out hahahah!
However, I would say if someone is being a real arsehole or you feel scared you shouldn't feel bad about giving a refund to get them out of your place.
The first time I gave a refund was with a reg. I did it out of goodwill and I told him there and then that I wouldnt be prepared to do it again. Couple of weeks later he had the audacity to ask me again (booked 1 hour, came in 30 min and asked to leave early and wanted a partial refund). I refused and reminded him that last time I told him I wouldnt be prepared to do it again but he wasnt backing down and the situation just got really awkward so I ended up giving him a partial refund just to get him out - and he asked for even more back! Cheeky fucker! Of course I said no and told him that hes taking the $@*%&@* piss - he left in a strop but not before me telling him that he no longer has the option to book me for 1 hour: max for him would be 30 and if he wanted to extend he would have to do it in a booking. I should really just block him but hes so quick and easy. Outside of the ^ hes a nice guy and we have the best banter but I gave him an inch last time and he tried to take a mile this time but he knows the score now.
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annoying but im ok with a client booking 30 mins and then turning up and saying he wants 15mins ok but what i wont stand for is paying for 30mins and then cumming in 10mins and then saying, oh il go now il just pay for 15mins il have some money back, like 4 weeks ago! not a chance pal!
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Occasionally I've given a partial refund is if the client has booked an hour (incall) came within minutes and looked as if he can't come again, doesn't like massage etc and I haven't particularly 'clicked' with him...I've sometimes said in these circumstances "Do you want to make it half hour?" and given ?30 back. Its generally only when its been to my benefit ie; in that I can then get back to my phone and not miss any other calls.
Although I once gave a client half his money back on a overnight (incall) an hour or so into the booking after he suddenly pinched my nipples hard so I did the same back to him but harder (he almost cried and he made up an excuse about having to get back home ::) ) I just knew that I couldn't bear to spend a whole night with such an annoying fool.
Other than that an outcall is a minimum of one hour whether the client 'lasts' that long or not. Remember *some* guys would happily have an escort travel for longer than the booking duration...Fuck that!!
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This never happens to me either because being outcall my minimum is one hour whether I stay for the full hour or not. I have never been asked for or given a refund in my life. Once the money is in my hands they have to pry it from my cold dead fingers to get it back.
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Theres a fine line between being too soft and being too harsh, I would have just stayed and had small talk to make up the time, sometimes talking actually builds a connection and gets you return custom, I dont think in this instance I would have given a refund, but I would have been willing to stay the remainder of the time.
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Never , I've had guys book 1.5 or 2 hours and exploded twice in minutes .
I just make a cuppa if they want or see if they can go again otherwise I say bye bye .
I've never had anyone mention it at all .
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I do refund on occasions but only if I feel like it and if it benefits me but if they ask its a definite NO
yesterday Guy booked half an hour but cum within 10 mins of me just giving him a bj
I offered him the option of staying and having a massage and seeing if wanted to cum again that was fine or I would charge him for 15 mins which is ?60
He opted for the ?60 and I made a joke of me paying him for sex lol
I was happy as I got ?60 for a bj & 10 mins of my time he was happy cos he got ?20 back so we were both happy .
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I do refund on occasions but only if I feel like it and if it benefits me but if they ask its a definite NO
Good point. He didnt actually ask, I offered - but the other guy who did ask on two ocassions was just taking the piss. I wont let him do that again!
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A new client who said during our booking chat liked things slow was hot for sex when he arrived. I tried everything I could to slow things down but this became awkward. He lusted for a BJ and after he came really easily he was gone after 20 minutes. I said he hadn't had his full hour and said he could stay but he was off and gone! This was the second time in a row this happened with new clients.
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A new client who said during our booking chat liked things slow was hot for sex when he arrived. I tried everything I could to slow things down but this became awkward. He lusted for a BJ and after he came really easily he was gone after 20 minutes. I said he hadn't had his full hour and said he could stay but he was off and gone! This was the second time in a row this happened with new clients.
LOL! Love the quick n easy guys! Nice that he just left instead of asking for some money back ::)
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Never ever offer refunds, you are losing money for a really dumb reason and you need to make clients understand that they are paying for a block of time. What they do with that time is up to them and if you or they leave early it doesn't change the price. If you allow people to take advantage of you then they'll eat you up. I've had clients who finish after like 10-15 minutes and don't want to stick around for small talk but none have asked for refunds. Many of my 30 minute incalls end 10 minutes early.
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Never ever offer refunds, you are losing money for a really dumb reason and you need to make clients understand that they are paying for a block of time. What they do with that time is up to them and if you or they leave early it doesn't change the price. If you allow people to take advantage of you then they'll eat you up. I've had clients who finish after like 10-15 minutes and don't want to stick around for small talk but none have asked for refunds. Many of my 30 minute incalls end 10 minutes early.
I agree totally. I would never give money back (I've only done this once when a client was being difficult and pushy and I felt unsafe). You've put that time aside and would have potentially turned down other bookings for it. It's the same principle for other time-based businesses, like if you showed up to a massage appointment and decided you only want half an hour and expect money back.
If a client is dithering on the phone about how long to book, I always encourage them to book the shorter period of time and they can extend if they want after arrival if I'm able to accommodate them. I don't mind just charging an extra ?40 to make it a full hour if it's an extension.
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Never ever offer refunds, you are losing money for a really dumb reason and you need to make clients understand that they are paying for a block of time. What they do with that time is up to them and if you or they leave early it doesn't change the price. If you allow people to take advantage of you then they'll eat you up. I've had clients who finish after like 10-15 minutes and don't want to stick around for small talk but none have asked for refunds. Many of my 30 minute incalls end 10 minutes early.
Thanks hun. Its a lesson learnt for sure. Im just glad this doesnt happen often but I am fully prepared now should it happen again!
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I have never offered refunds. I do find that some guys actually most guys act differently before and after they have cum. Once they have cum they are much less interested in you and can't wait to get out the door.
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There are two men I have been seeing for a number of years who always book a half hour session but are happy long before time is up and have never asked for refunds. I dont do quickie services at quickie prices but admire those who do and it works for them.
Even one hour bookings can be as short as 45 minutes but again no refunds are ever asked for. Swings and roundabouts though as some one hour bookings can turn into 90 mins purely through prolonged after sex chat but that is my choice and these men are not taking the piss as all we are doing is having in depth conversations about whatever. If during that extra chat time they attempted to get more sex it would be game off! (unless they reached out to their jacket and extracted more cash of course) :)
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I agree with Justine. Half an hour is plenty of time for most guys to cum.
I like to have an after sex chat with certain regulars and my fave likes an after sex cigarette. He books for half an hour and we often go over that time but that is my choice as we both enjoy it and in my view helps retain him as a regular.
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I have never offered refunds. I do find that some guys actually most guys act differently before and after they have cum. Once they have cum they are much less interested in you and can't wait to get out the door.
Lucky you, I have to head lock them to the door 10 minutes over their time looool (in my head of course)
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I do refund on occasions but only if I feel like it and if it benefits me but if they ask its a definite NO
yesterday Guy booked half an hour but cum within 10 mins of me just giving him a bj
I offered him the option of staying and having a massage and seeing if wanted to cum again that was fine or I would charge him for 15 mins which is ?60
He opted for the ?60 and I made a joke of me paying him for sex lol
I was happy as I got ?60 for a bj & 10 mins of my time he was happy cos he got ?20 back so we were both happy .
Anyone want a bet he comes back and sees you again ? 20 quid he does