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General Category => Questions and Answers => Topic started by: FullyFashioned on 06 January 2020, 08:08:47 am
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Hi, just spoken to a friendly neighbour who’s told me that other neighbors found out what I do. I’ve been at the property since early last year and just signed a lease for another year, effective until November 2020.
One of my neighbours has asked me in the lift once if I’ve seen the conversation in the WhatsApp group and I said no. That was a month ago. I’ve just met the same neighbour again on my way to civvy job this morning who’s told me that people are talking about my business. He said two people were nasty about it and said they’ll call the police on me. Other members of the chat group bashed them and said they were judgemental and to leave me alone. That chat allegedly occurred one month ago and the friendly neighbour said that its kinda blew over. I haven’t personally had any communications directly nor letters, much less police.
I’m fully independent and work alone so I laugh at the police comment. But what if they complain about it to the agency or landlord? Not had any communication from them either yet.
The friendly neighbour told me that those people noticed me escorting clients from downstairs to the flat. Indeed I’ve had problems with my intercom system which made me do up and down so they noticed. But those problems were sorted for two months now.
At the time of complaint I went on a break and now I’m back working this week. So that’s one month of no activity. I’m paranoid to start again.
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Personally, I'd carry on as normal.
They would need to know who your landlord is and I'm guessing they don't, plus if they were going to complain they would have done it by now. It sounds like typical pearl clutching behind closed doors and everyone putting their two penneth in on a silly WhatsApp group chat.
You've said it yourself, the intercom problem is fixed. They will now have no idea where anyone is going when they enter the flats.
What I WOULD do, is screen properly and make sure clients have a couple of brain cells AND I would give explicit instructions on what to do on arrival.
When I work at home, I'm ultra strict who I see as my house is not that easy to find.
Good luck and get on and make some money.
For the record, I hate nosey neighbours. They need to get a life or a hobby that doesn't include voyeurism!
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I was in a similar situation and for this reason avoid leasehold and or small blocks of flats, LH usually contains clauses which means you can be asked to leave.
A friendly neighbour had a word with me, the residents had asked for reports on my activities. The problem was that I did also have a chaotic lifestyle due to an addiction problem, which was leading me into very poor company. I was not a great neighbour and would be clumsy when inebriated which added to the indiscretion of clients. Punters would let the front door bang which could be heard throughout the block, run up the stair waving cash shouting my working name in greeting, or back as they were leaving. A few parked in neighbours spaces (the car park had had a history of locals using it instead of paying for parking in town so residents already had an eye on it before I ever moved in), one or two ran into bollards I pre-warned about. When the buzzer of the entry panels was broken despite me explaining how to get to the other one, a few rang other doorbells asking to be let into 'my working name' flat. Even when not broken their were other similar indiscretions. The buzzer either wasn't or took a long time to be fixed by the landlord, the company doing the repair needed me to be in but didn't turn up at the times they asked me to be in.
Heck that's brought back memories.
I started looking for other properties and asked clients to park around the corner, around the time I found somewhere else I was at the same time given notice without any reason - because they didn't need to. I was glad to move although I then found another neighbour who would pounce on visitors, but that wasn't specifically targeted at me or any suspicion of sex work, and the few who were approached were just fine (they just acted as if they should be there which was absolutely correct).
Advice for the OP perhaps look for somewhere else, but my advice is unless you see somewhere you really want to move to, carry on and the best piece of advice I was ever given is "Don't piss the neighbours off"............and keep your dignity. That flat was spotless when I left it, had everything professionally cleaned and anything damaged I replaced with same or higher standard.
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Could you work less in the evenings and more during daytime working hours so it’s quiet at night. And then perhaps tour to a local hotel on Saturdays and Sundays when they are all home. Then when the gosskp dies down start building the work up again closer to when the tenancy runs out.
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Could you work less in the evenings and more during daytime working hours so it’s quiet at night. And then perhaps tour to a local hotel on Saturdays and Sundays when they are all home. Then when the gosskp dies down start building the work up again closer to when the tenancy runs out.
Do the neighbours work, and do they work shifts?
My experience was in a block which contained retirees, however one of those would be away for long periods of time on holidays, it was the others who were there all the time - however no problem in a terrace with retirees. My experience is that it all depends on a variety of factors, also sound proofing, is the property on a route to somewhere else which can explain people walking past etc.
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Hello,
It’s a large new build block of flats, six floors high. I have a full time civvy job so cannot work during the day and only do evenings. I can see how they sussed it out since for a longer time I’d have to come down to let people in, but since two months now it’s possible to let guys in without going out of the flat. I’ve got one flat opposite me but not like bang on opposite, doubt he can see anything in the peephole.
I do 2-3 people an evening and 5-6 people on a weekend day.
I always have the music on and try to control the noise.
So far just the bitching on WhatsApp by two people but you never know. I also haven’t been on it since 5-6 weeks now.
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Oh Mirror that sounds like a right mess! :o
Here the situation is, I work in the evening and one weekday only, I try to keep things quiet with the music on, when I don’t work I’m extremely quiet person, work full time in a “normal” job and also a student. So there’s no nuisance caused by either myself or the clients.
The problem is, that doesn’t fucking matter if some twat just digs the heels in and decides they don’t want me to live there.. It seem to have blown over but it’s an indicator I need to at least save up for a swift property move if needed.
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Personally, I'd carry on as normal.
They would need to know who your landlord is and I'm guessing they don't, plus if they were going to complain they would have done it by now. It sounds like typical pearl clutching behind closed doors and everyone putting their two penneth in on a silly WhatsApp group chat.
You've said it yourself, the intercom problem is fixed. They will now have no idea where anyone is going when they enter the flats.
What I WOULD do, is screen properly and make sure clients have a couple of brain cells AND I would give explicit instructions on what to do on arrival.
When I work at home, I'm ultra strict who I see as my house is not that easy to find.
Good luck and get on and make some money.
For the record, I hate nosey neighbours. They need to get a life or a hobby that doesn't include voyeurism!
Well and I’ve just got off a 5 week break or so, so there was no business. Also never had clients stupid enough to knock on the wrong door or unable to find their way. So now there’s no way of knowing who is going where and I’m not ever seen.
I really hope it just dies down. They might go and try letting agent who can in turn inform the landlord. The landlord is a Chinese female and I don’t think she even lives in the UK.
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This can only be a problem if all the neighbours "gang up" and go to your landlord (and they WILL find him if they do their research), THAT can be a problem. However, it doesn't sound like your neighbours have any plans to gang up as they have mixed opinions amongst them (?). I would stay away from it and the wassap groups and lay very low. It will probably die off.
On the other hand how do they know you're an escort? Where you coming down to the door in high heels and revealing outfit? If this is NOT the case you could have told your neighbour during that conversation that you're in sales and part of some pyramid scheme and need to meet with clients and co-workers at home.
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Hi,
I always dressed in a smart way like, figure hugging dresses but not revealing or anything. I’d wear heels and be dolled up. I’d never prance around in PVC and fishnets either. So nothing really revealed my job and I could’ve been idk a financial advisor or something.
Thing is, I don’t have access to that conversation as it was going on, maybe better as I’d most likely told them to fuck off, but apparently only two had been insulting me etc (clever isn’t it thinking I’m not gonna find out?) and some others bashed them for being judgemental. That was like one month ago allegedly and so far nothing has happened.
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I could not continue to work and live in a place if that happened to me but I do understand it is not a simple task to pack and set up somewhere else.
Hoping it has all blown over and you can continue in peace.
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Hi,
I always dressed in a smart way like, figure hugging dresses but not revealing or anything. I’d wear heels and be dolled up.
I would advice to "tone it down" when entering or exiting that building.
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I could not continue to work and live in a place if that happened to me but I do understand it is not a simple task to pack and set up somewhere else.
Hoping it has all blown over and you can continue in peace.
Sadly I’m stuck there now until November next year and the landlord not only increased the rent but also didn’t allow me to lease for only 6 months. I wonder what would happen there if I’d be liable to pay for their fucking lease even if evicted ?
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Sadly I’m stuck there now until November next year and the landlord not only increased the rent but also didn’t allow me to lease for only 6 months. I wonder what would happen there if I’d be liable to pay for their fucking lease even if evicted ?
Signing the lease can go in your favour as he can only evict you on certain grounds and he would have to prove these grounds. It would be very hard for him or your neighbours to prove what you are doing. You are entitled to visitors and there is no limit on how many.
If by chance the neighbours start approaching any of your 'punters then personally I would then get a couple of male friends to visit and tell them what to say, but then I would also complain about them harassing your visitors.
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Hello,
It’s a large new build block of flats, six floors high. I have a full time civvy job so cannot work during the day and only do evenings. I can see how they sussed it out since for a longer time I’d have to come down to let people in, but since two months now it’s possible to let guys in without going out of the flat. I’ve got one flat opposite me but not like bang on opposite, doubt he can see anything in the peephole.
I do 2-3 people an evening and 5-6 people on a weekend day.
I always have the music on and try to control the noise.
So far just the bitching on WhatsApp by two people but you never know. I also haven’t been on it since 5-6 weeks now.
Are you sure he's not the inventer of this wild and woolly tale- getting a fyshing-hardon?
Or have you seen this Wassup and verified it's a genuine tenant discussion?
Did you notice neighbours looking?
If it's genuine....20-27 guys a week in a 'normal' civvy dwelling eg not a basement with it's own entrance, or, eccentric half empty pied-à-terre set-up etc might attract paranoid nosey parkers. If you're unlucky. Once they get curious it gathers momentum as it's the most exciting thing in their day.
I agree with Anna...I'm in my tired old jeans, drab Ts, trainers, bobble hat to hide my hair on my way in and out of my crib. I'll wear them to let clients in if the door is faulty once in a blue moon. Like you my door control was broken for 4 months, a real pain. They don't loose the horn though.
Never knowingly glam outside.
I agree with others...evidence is required. Absentee landlord thousands of miles away may not give a toss. Presumably there is an agent who oversees tenants? who knows if they're arsed. My last agent said she didn't care if girls were 'working' quietly. It was the 'normal' people attracting robbers, damaging the paintwork with bikes and flooding the flats. Too many unpredicatable factors to worry about right now. Keep coining it in.
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Are you sure he's not the inventer of this wild and woolly tale- getting a fyshing-hardon?
Or have you seen this Wassup and verified it's a genuine tenant discussion?
Did you notice neighbours looking?
If it's genuine....20-27 guys a week in a 'normal' civvy dwelling eg not a basement with it's own entrance, or, eccentric half empty pied-à-terre set-up etc might attract paranoid nosey parkers. If you're unlucky. Once they get curious it gathers momentum as it's the most exciting thing in their day.
I agree with Anna...I'm in my tired old jeans, drab Ts, trainers, bobble hat to hide my hair on my way in and out of my crib. I'll wear them to let clients in if the door is faulty once in a blue moon. Like you my door control was broken for 4 months, a real pain. They don't loose the horn though.
Never knowingly glam outside.
I agree with others...evidence is required. Absentee landlord thousands of miles away may not give a toss. Presumably there is an agent who oversees tenants? who knows if they're arsed. My last agent said she didn't care if girls were 'working' quietly. It was the 'normal' people attracting robbers, damaging the paintwork with bikes and flooding the flats. Too many unpredicatable factors to worry about right now. Keep coining it in.
Hiya, I do max 15-16 guys a week. Also when I leave the property for shopping etc I don’t get dolled up as I can’t be arsed. The fixed intercom helps a lot since I don’t even have to leave the apartment.
I don’t know if it’s him, I know they have a group as I was once part of it so it’s legit people contributing. Like I said nothing came of it.
The agency lady who agreed the let was discreetly made aware by myself (stupid but she had no objections) and when we did the viewing she actually analysed the place from the angle of work (oh look that’s gonna be your playroom) and even asked how did I start and how to get into this ;D...and then let me the property. Don’t know if other staff would be as lenient but hey ho.
So so far looks like a few jealous cunts that have nothing better to do with their day. I’ll keep posted if anything escalates. Thanks for all advice, worth reducing the volume and the noise.
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When I used to work from home I kept a tatty towelling robe handy to throw on in case of last minute intercom issues. My huge fluffy animal slippers and a large hair clip were always ready too for if I needed to transform in a rush to nip down and let them in. It’s not ideal to greet clients like this, but the few times I needed to they completely understood. My porter there was a bit nosey, in a nice way. He knew I worked mainly night shifts in my civvie job, so wouldn’t bat an eye when he saw me in my slob gear. Seen in plenty enough times when I’d go to collect parcels etc.
See if you can get back on the WhatsApp group. Don’t contribute, just observe what they say. As Saltysweet said, I’d be smelling a bit of a rat with this one. Hope you’re okay x
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The issue is though if a non sex worker got accused of being one then she’d understandably go nuts at the people saying it, it’s quite unrealistic to say nothing, would you ‘have a word’ with them just to make them believe that your raging and that your not a hooker! Make a joke of it and say something like ‘well I can’t be very good or I’d have my own mansion’ or something to that effect, makes them think that you think hookers earn millions! Haha.
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Hello,
It’s a large new build block of flats, six floors high. I have a full time civvy job so cannot work during the day and only do evenings. I can see how they sussed it out since for a longer time I’d have to come down to let people in, but since two months now it’s possible to let guys in without going out of the flat. I’ve got one flat opposite me but not like bang on opposite, doubt he can see anything in the peephole.
I do 2-3 people an evening and 5-6 people on a weekend day.
I always have the music on and try to control the noise.
So far just the bitching on WhatsApp by two people but you never know. I also haven’t been on it since 5-6 weeks now.
Perhaps playing devil's advocate here, but that is actually quite a lot of clients going in and out. If it's also when a lot of people are home, depending on the layout of the block, at least one neighbour next door and one each above and below could either hear sex noises or your music. If you can hear anything from other flats, perhaps see if there's anything you can do to muffle the noise, like rugs or something?
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NorthernStar, Reading your story has also brought back memories for me. I was in a very similar situation also but the difference is that I don’t think my neighbours found out but I did work in a block of flats on the top floor and the landlord failed to install a door releaser so I had to keep on going up and down the stairs. Fortunate for me, I was released early from my initial 6 month fixed contract but I had to fight hard for it. I also had to pay a couple of hundred pounds (which apparently was The price that the landlord pays the letting agency) because the landlord basically had no intentions of installing a door releaser, even though they had installed an intercom and button in the flat ::)
As you have renewed your contract you're obviously happy there And your landlord has fixed the problem with the communal door. So I guess you’re only options are to continue doing what you’re doing and don’t allow your nosy neighbour to get the best of you or reduce your numbers.
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The issue with neighbours and this job is that so many people think prostitution is illegal and they are shocked when they find out that it isn’t.
I watched Gogglebox a few weeks ago and there was something on the TV about sex workers and the shock from a few of the goggleboxers that it wasn’t illegal was quite funny.
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The issue is though if a non sex worker got accused of being one then she’d understandably go nuts at the people saying it, it’s quite unrealistic to say nothing, would you ‘have a word’ with them just to make them believe that your raging and that your not a hooker! Make a joke of it and say something like ‘well I can’t be very good or I’d have my own mansion’ or something to that effect, makes them think that you think hookers earn millions! Haha.
That's a bad idea. The neighbours are clearly divided amongst them when it comes to her escort ways. With her intercom working the issue seems to be slowly dying. Unless she f-cks up badly (like a client creating a scene, having druggies show up at her place or partying with loud music) I doubt neighbours will gang up on her. She sounds to be running a smart operation. Her making a big fuss for (the horrors!) "being a confused as a sex worker" and making waves will bring the issue back into the building spotlight. Plus she will come out as very paranoid of what people think about her making herself vulnerable. I would lay low if I were her, not make waves and let this issue die a natural death.
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NorthernStar
'The agency lady who agreed the let was discreetly made aware by myself (stupid but she had no objections) and when we did the viewing she actually analysed the place from the angle of work (oh look that’s gonna be your playroom) and even asked how did I start and how to get into this ;D...and then let me the property. Don’t know if other staff would be as lenient but hey ho.'
So there's potential information leakage from an 'official' source, that may be relevant. Once it's out there it's got wings. Chatty, open people like that are refreshing but can 'innocently' spill the beans willy-nilly without intention to harm. What's the Sir Bob Marley lyric?
'Only your friend know your secrets
So only he could reveal it'
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The issue with neighbours and this job is that so many people think prostitution is illegal and they are shocked when they find out that it isn’t.
I watched Gogglebox a few weeks ago and there was something on the TV about sex workers and the shock from a few of the goggleboxers that it wasn’t illegal was quite funny.
Yep, that’s why those tossers claimed they will be calling the police on me. Let’s just hope their knowledge is equally scant in everything else and they won’t figure they can complain to the lardlord and pressure him as to kick me out as knowingly renting to me that’s illegal.
Still waiting for any police visits, agency letters, landlord letters or abusive behaviours - nothing happening yet.
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I agree. High volume work does attract attention,
esp. if you're in a fixed location,
as opposed to work flats/hotels.
Indiscreet punters share the address ("what's the address of that?" "oh it's so and so"
and sometimes, post it on purpose, for anyone to see.
Those, who were "refused" by you as you didn't get on too well with them,
they could post a copy of AW gallery photos, to harass and cause trouble etc.
Not unheard of.
It's ok if your property is not vandalised by angry neighbours.
I have seen some posts/threads on the subject.
This would make things unbearable.
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Yep, that’s why those tossers claimed they will be calling the police on me. Let’s just hope their knowledge is equally scant in everything else and they won’t figure they can complain to the lardlord and pressure him as to kick me out as knowingly renting to me that’s illegal.
Still waiting for any police visits, agency letters, landlord letters or abusive behaviours - nothing happening yet.
Not sure that's the case, I thought that was only with brothels, you're indy.
A UK landlord website
'Interestingly, if you have one tenant in the property and you discover that s/he is a prostitute bringing clients back to the home; it’s not an offence to let them continue – unless you put the rent up when you find out, in which case you can be charged for living off the earnings of prostitution instead!'
Even so another building I was in had a brothel and they couldn't stop them, the girl owned the flat, maybe other circumstances too.
Another SW had a big court case and they decided her home wasn't a brothel despite having several mates working there.
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Not sure that's the case, I thought that was only with brothels, you're indy.
A UK landlord website
'Interestingly, if you have one tenant in the property and you discover that s/he is a prostitute bringing clients back to the home; it’s not an offence to let them continue – unless you put the rent up when you find out, in which case you can be charged for living off the earnings of prostitution instead!'
If whoever wrote that website paid for their legal advice, I hope they kept their receipt. What a complete pile of shite.
What they may be thinking of is Section 36 of the SOA 1956; Tenant permitting premises to be used for prostitution. Assuming the landlord isn't a tenant, it's irrelevant (Section 34 covers landlords permitting premises to be used as a brothel, but it isn't a brothel so also irrelevant).
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Oops Amy I'm all confused now! Have to have a look at that! ???
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Oops I'm all confused now!
Well unless you're planning to sublet, I wouldn't tie yourself in knots about it but the best place to look for legal stuff is the CPS website first and foremost, where the 1956 and 2003 Sexual Offences Acts are written out in full for all to read. Websites (including this one) where the people giving advice are not legal professionals can be helpful, but they're no substitute.
It does sound like Neighbour Cuntychops mentioned above went with the latter. This in itself can cause problems, because once people like this are ahown that they can't legally do anything, there will always be the occasional oddball who decides they're going to Do Something anyway ::)
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Neighbour Cuntychops ;D ;D thanks yes CPS I had a skim for other things and it's very interesting.