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alice7th

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A BIG thank you+rant+possible questions
« on: 28 November 2012, 09:29:42 pm »
Hi!
Sorry for the long post ahead!

First of all I want to express my utmost gratitude for every woman who took the time to post advice on this forum, it has been an enormous help for me over the past week. I am a beginning escort, I don't actually plan to do escorting too long for a number of personal reasons, but that's neither here nor there, right now I really need the money and am escorting.

It is mostly thanks to you that I have had a good start on my job. I'm not British and there is a similar forum in my country, but its full of punters and pimps and nowhere as helpful as this one.
I have also found confirmation for things I have instinctively decided I'd like better on here: I am independent and I didn't want to go with an agency because I was very skeptical as to what sort of men the agency would send me, at what times(I'm not that flexible) and whether they would give a damn if a well paying psycho murderer would take me out to dinner.
I have also decided against parlors, having met with the owner of pretty much the best (directly in the city centre and the most expensive according to a punting forum) parlor in my city and she said commission is 50% and from what she described it would be a conveyor band type of work with 4-6 clients a day at least.

I decided that I would rather manage my schedule myself and also would not take more than 1 client per day and your forum was immensely helpful with advice on safety and dealing with clients. I've been lurking here for 2 weeks now.
I must have hit beginner's luck with my first client because he was absolutely great, met at a hotel, early forties, not ugly or fat or smelly, took a long shower, little shy, not pushy, tipped me 50% of my rate (I don't charge too much, in fact I decided to charge exactly the average rate for my city) and left a comment on my profile saying it was one of the best paid sex experiences of his life (i told him i was a beginner but didn't say he was my first).
So good so far. Yesterday made an appointment for the evening, guy didn't turn up and left me a message saying he was disappointed I decided to bail?? But I am pretty sure there was no way in hell he could have missed me in the place where we arranged to meet, also texted him while waiting but now think might had the wrong number hmm..
anyhow, I am currently battling with requests filtering, I have educated myself on your website about the timewasters and good thing I did, because quite a few met the description 100%. But seriously, this is really frustrating and tiring, I feel like this is the actual job rather than meeting for sex.

Just now got off the phone with potential client and am annoyed as hell. It went like this, guy emailed me yesterday saying he wanted to meet before leaving for home (he leaves in a city 2 hrs away from mine), didn't catch him in time, he left ( I now think it might have been luck again), called an hour ago, wants me to do an outcall to his city (which is a pretty swell place so I was stupid enough to get interested), will pay for train ticket+will pay 30% more than my local outcall. Wants to do 2 hrs. Ok, we talk. We videochat (which I now think was a mistake), guy seems normal, in his 30s, not creepy or too ugly, asks me about my schedule and so on, asks me where I'm from as I have a dialect. Ok.
then it goes like this
-what are the exact services you provide?
-erm, it pretty much sums it up on my ad
-would you do kissing
-yeah, kissing's fine
-do you kiss well?
i hang up and write to him in chat - sry, no webcam action.
he's all like, oh ok, wanted to break the ice yadda yadda, sry, sry
me - ok, well, i don't want to fall prey to timewasters
he - oh no, i would do anything it takes to meet someone as pretty as you ::)
me ok
him - ok, lets clarify the details.
we do this and then he goes off again, can i see you for 1 more min, just the front of your body >:(
me- no, what would you want to see? there are pics of my body in my ad
him- ok. do you wear x/y/z
me- yeah/no, i'm not a professional sexworker, just a student part timing
he-of course, i would never actually book a professional prostitute ???
he is taking really long at this point, chewing over my every word
me - you don't really book girls that often do you?
him - no, i don't need to do that ::) turn on video and i can show you my awesome self and my great appartment yadda yadda
me- it's ok, all men do that
him- no i just got divorced never cheated on my wife, would never book anyone unless she were much younger and very beautiful
me aha ok *whatever*
him- please can i see the front of your body again?
me- r u serious? no! you know what, i think i am not the girl for you. you would be better off with a local girl who you'd bee able to meet upfront without any prepayments and complications
he, babbling on about how awesome he actually is and how he just needs a princess in his life whom he could lavish all his life and generosity upon
me- well, i'm not the girl for you, sorry and good luck!
he- no, i don't want you as my girlfriend only for sex
me-great, but sorry cannot come
he- what?? you cannot come? i thought we arranged it for good?
me-sorry, i understand that you don't want any bad surprises, but you also have to understand that i have plenty of offers in my area that are nowhere as complicated
him- well, ok, next time i'm in your town, i'd like to see you for 1 hour please!
me- ok, great, let me know when you happen to pass by (hopefully never)
him- coming back from the states on the 10th and will be there
me (at this point just trying to get rid of him)- yeah great shoot me an email.

So, I understand that i handled this whole thing kinda badly, but at the end i just wanted to get him off my back! should I have been more firm and just told him to get lost? Should I just blacklist him?
What do you think, is he a classical camera sex timewaster or a creeper or just a really picky guy? In any case my gut feeling screams that I never want to cross paths with him again! Am I right about it or just paranoid?

Please help, if you made it so far!
thank you all so much again

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Re: A BIG thank you+rant+possible questions
« Reply #1 on: 28 November 2012, 09:38:47 pm »
I would have cut him off and forgot about the loser at this point:

-do you kiss well?


any client that asks questions like this, along with 'Is your pussy tight?' 'Do you give good oral?', and usually for me when they ask for a description of what clothes you have to wear, gets cut off from my mind and declared a potential TW I'd rather not go through the stress of seeing

And then this??! -

can i see you for 1 more min, just the front of your body

definate TW who you did good to avoid and tell to piss off, you'll soon learn not to engage these types in long conversations and wasting your valuable time xxx  :)


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Re: A BIG thank you+rant+possible questions
« Reply #2 on: 28 November 2012, 09:44:27 pm »
thx Kimmy! it seems my original hunch was right when i hung up on him, but didn't want to be rude for some reason so let the converstation unfold in a written chat. now just feel exhausted and annoyed >:(spend like an hour talking to this guy

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Re: A BIG thank you+rant+possible questions
« Reply #3 on: 28 November 2012, 10:19:54 pm »
I understand you are not familiar with all this webcam and meeting up game and we all have to learn somehow.
If that had been me I would have very quickly told him some excuse to leave him, a message came on my phone or something and "have to go now see you later" type of thing, then cut him off immediately!

Close all connections to him and make sure you don't accept him again for any chat, cam or otherwise.

He was a classic timewaster and had no intention of meeting you. Sadly he will do this to many girls and hit lucky once in a while
with a girl like you who has not learned to spot the tw's within a moment of talking to them.

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Re: A BIG thank you+rant+possible questions
« Reply #4 on: 28 November 2012, 10:33:29 pm »
Reminds me of when I used to accept offers to 'chat' via MSN about potential bookings. Uuugggghhhh, shudder.

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Re: A BIG thank you+rant+possible questions
« Reply #5 on: 28 November 2012, 11:38:54 pm »
Before any escort starts working, she'll be adorably innocent of the sheer lengths a vast number of dudes on the internet will go to in order to get *any* interaction with a woman (for free) in order to have a bit of a wank. Don't be cross with yourself about talking to this guy for so long, but do use him as a valuable lesson on what to avoid at all costs in future - he ticks a lot of TW boxes. :)

Genuine clients will want to book the appointment quickly and politely because they'll not want to be blacklisted as a TW.

Never be afraid to tell someone that's you're SUPER excited to hear the details of their booking request but that you're just off to meet a friend for coffee so could they email their queries to you and you'll respond a bit later. If they're genuine, they'll get the hint and send you proper booking request details (time, date, duration, location - that's it, apart from any additional security info you've requested), and if they're a TW they'll either send you a bunch of pointless wanky stuff or they won't bother at all because they'll be on the lookout for an easier mark.

A confirmation system of some sort is really vital for avoiding having your time wasted, too. There are various different methods you can use (incalls vs. outcalls, advanced bookings vs. last-minute calls, etc) so pop "confirmation" into the search box on the top right of the page if you want to look them up.
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Re: A BIG thank you+rant+possible questions
« Reply #6 on: 29 November 2012, 11:14:15 am »
Good for you. You dealt with what appeared to be a potential TW very well in my opinion. You refused to give him a look at your body for free which is what he was after and then you'd hear nothing from him again until he is after getting off chatting to you again dangling the false one hour booking under your nose as an excuse.
Always go by your gut instinct and not let them goad you into doing things for free.
« Last Edit: 29 November 2012, 11:18:06 am by Jan10 »
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Re: A BIG thank you+rant+possible questions
« Reply #7 on: 29 November 2012, 05:52:46 pm »
Sadly it won't take more than a week or so to get the hang of how to deal with TW's. The merest hint of TW and I hang up, makes life much less stressful.  No need to worry about their feelings.

alice7th

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Re: A BIG thank you+rant+possible questions
« Reply #8 on: 29 November 2012, 09:28:37 pm »
Hi!!thx everybody for the input! Something bad just happened now i think. So i promised this gux id do a housecall at his. I turned up and he was really *odd*. Eyes red and seemed completely high. Was prob in his late 20s but looked like an rcperienced mass murderer. So i gave in to myinner panic and ran- literrally. I told him i have to step outside for a sec and do a call and i just tiptoed down some flights and then ran for my lif. Sitting in a trm now. Question: did i do a terible thing? Anf do u reckon he will get back at me w negative rating?? Am just really scared and upset noe! He sounded normal via pjone andemail. Sry typing from my phone now.

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Re: A BIG thank you+rant+possible questions
« Reply #9 on: 29 November 2012, 10:15:06 pm »
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Hmmn if you got such an awful/dangerous vibe from him then of course you did the right thing, not a professional thing but a human one - trust your instincts, your safety depends on them.
hey thx for the reply. what would have been a professional way to handle this? rationally speaking I realize that the odds that he was really dangerous is probably not high and most likely he was just the usual druggie who naturally gave off an odd vibe. Should I have just gone ahead with the appointment? Or should I have been honest and told him something along the lines of "Sorry, you seem really high and I don't feel it's appropriate for me to be here?"

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Re: A BIG thank you+rant+possible questions
« Reply #10 on: 30 November 2012, 10:29:07 am »
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Hmmn if you got such an awful/dangerous vibe from him then of course you did the right thing, not a professional thing but a human one - trust your instincts, your safety depends on them.
hey thx for the reply. what would have been a professional way to handle this? rationally speaking I realize that the odds that he was really dangerous is probably not high and most likely he was just the usual druggie who naturally gave off an odd vibe. Should I have just gone ahead with the appointment? Or should I have been honest and told him something along the lines of "Sorry, you seem really high and I don't feel it's appropriate for me to be here?"


When you feel you might be at some risk with a client there is no professional way to deal with it really, you do what you feel is best at the time. Leaving without letting the client know is sometimes the best way as a confrontation could be the worse thing if he is using something. I think in this case you acted in the best way you could and that was leaving quietly and without a scene.

As for going ahead with the appointment you don't know what he took, why he took it, how he'd behave under the influence of what he took, so no if you felt you couldn't go ahead with the booking then you did the right thing leaving. If he contacts you just have nothing more to do with him again he seems untrustworthy not letting you know he would be taking something before you met up. Also don't explain why you did x, y, z just leave well alone. He seems a problem client.
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Re: A BIG thank you+rant+possible questions
« Reply #11 on: 30 November 2012, 11:48:38 am »
The ONLY unprofessional thing would be to take money without delivering a service. If he has not paid you yet, you have NO obligation to stay. In my experience, this is understood across the industry and it's very unlikely that he'd be able to claim you're unprofessional if he had not actually paid for anything yet. If he did try to complain, you could easily respond that he made you feel very uncomfortable when you met him so you left quickly *without taking any payment*. Anyone else seeing that would understand the situation.

It's not like he couldn't just call the next girl, anyway, so it's not like he's got to "go without". And perhaps she has a burly driver/security guy to protect her so maybe she's okay staying with him despite how he appeared. But for you? It would NOT have been safe to stay. So you definitely did the right thing.

If a guy has paid you and you have spent, say, half the time with him but then want to leave, consider refunding the remainder of the fee (e.g. at ?100 for half an hour and ?150 for an hour, you could return ?50 if you left after 30mins of services). That way, you are not ripping him off and are being fair. There are situations where this might not apply, such as if you gave someone a special offer of 90 minutes for the price of 60 but wanted to leave after 60 as they were pushy/rude/unhygienic. You could probably decide at the time what felt right re. any refund. It's generally a good idea to avoid "special offer territory", as many cretins lurk therein, but even the nicest-seeming regulars can sometimes surprise you in a bad way. So have these sorts of things sorted in your mind before any booking.

Basically, it's important to always feel like you *can* leave if you want, without risking the client taking too much umbrage. If you leave early while taking the whole fee he may assume you're a con artist whereas if you give him a partial refund then he's got not choice but to understand that you simply did not want to stay with him.

All that's moot in this situation, of course! But just for future reference as there can be other times (especially when you're new and less good at figuring out who sounds nice and who doesn't over the phone) that you want to escape at the later stage in the booking.
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Re: A BIG thank you+rant+possible questions
« Reply #12 on: 01 December 2012, 09:23:40 pm »
Thank you so much Jan and Emily! I blocked this guy and he never made an attempt to contact me thankfully.

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Re: A BIG thank you+rant+possible questions
« Reply #13 on: 02 December 2012, 08:38:10 am »
Lesson number 1
You spent far to long chatting / keeping te clients fantasy going men webcaming ect

For men who want to see you it should be simple fr them

See Your photos

Check your services

 Ring or eail you to you clarify what you do don't do

and then book you 


 You should sound nice and polite and helpful on the phone

Anything that require more than the above is generally a Timewaster


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Re: A BIG thank you+rant+possible questions
« Reply #14 on: 02 December 2012, 10:49:49 am »
Lesson number 1
You spent far to long chatting / keeping te clients fantasy going men webcaming ect

For men who want to see you it should be simple fr them

See Your photos

Check your services

 Ring or eail you to you clarify what you do don't do

and then book you 


 You should sound nice and polite and helpful on the phone

Anything that require more than the above is generally a Timewaster
Thanks Paris! I just read through my first post and I cannot believe how stupid I was!

Just got a lulzy email.."Hi, am XX want to meet at XX" and so forth, all normal, he then finishes it up with the words
"Don't worry, I'm not a psychopath or a picture collector.
PS: Do you maybe have a few pics of yourself?"

I was really tempted to highlight the ridiculousness of his request and email it back to him, but I decided to ignore this one and save under "timewaster".
Seriously, do these people think I'm that dumb ::) There are pics on my ad, do they hope to see my private photos or what.