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Lorelei

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Moonfruit is not escort-friendly
« on: 22 June 2011, 01:39:57 pm »
I tried the Moonfruit paid service for a month but decided that the free features are enough for me right now, so sent them a message asking to have my website downgraded to the free option. They complied but also sent me an e-mail asking me to remove the banners on my front page as it's in breach of their terms. I have the usual banners Punterlink, Adultowk, Escortsplus etc, nothing out of the ordinary. Has anyone else experienced this with them?
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edited to change the topic title.
« Last Edit: 26 June 2011, 06:31:32 pm by Alexandra_23 »

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Re: Moonfruit doesn't allow banners on escort website
« Reply #1 on: 22 June 2011, 02:13:07 pm »
Never had a problem. I paid for my site for the year last year ends next year. Why do you want to downgrade ?

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Re: Moonfruit doesn't allow banners on escort website
« Reply #2 on: 23 June 2011, 02:51:03 pm »
Yeah, you're right. I shouldn't be such a cheapskate for just 7-8 quids a month.  ::) There are other areas to save money, not here. Moonfruit is allowing me to build and host a pretty website and their software has become really good since their major improvements in April, so I actually want to and am happy to support them. I have just sent them a message that I changed my mind and want to revert to the paid for service.

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Re: Moonfruit doesn't allow banners on escort website
« Reply #3 on: 23 June 2011, 08:12:15 pm »
The reason that they ask you to remove the banners is that is a service you have to pay for.  Now that you've changed you mind they'll let you keep them.

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Re: Moonfruit doesn't allow banners on escort website
« Reply #4 on: 23 June 2011, 10:10:08 pm »
I've been doing some research on free websites and most of them will ask you to upgrade it to premium in order to put banners (which you end up paying generally 8 pounds a month, which is fine because then you get your own domain).  I found that the Yola sites have the best designs and will let you change background colours easily (a lot of them will offer you a fix template thus not allowing you to get too personalize your site or get very "creative").

http://www.yola.com/

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Re: Moonfruit doesn't allow banners on escort website
« Reply #5 on: 23 June 2011, 10:31:32 pm »
Ana - Yola doesn't seem like a great idea for escorts:

... nor may they use Yola, the Service and/or the Yola Subdomains for hosting and/or distributing and/or publishing Adult Content, including the use of the service for Escort or Prostitution Services.

From the T&C :( Shame I was thinking about switching, I've got too many sites with Moonfruit and I fancied a change.
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Re: Moonfruit doesn't allow banners on escort website
« Reply #6 on: 23 June 2011, 10:35:57 pm »
Ouch.... ???

Didn't read the "small letter". Thanks for letting me know. I was about to "switch"...  :P

(Note to myself: Always read the small letter regarding adult content before  building a website)
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Re: Moonfruit doesn't allow banners on escort website
« Reply #7 on: 26 June 2011, 04:48:39 pm »
Just read another e-mail from Moonfruit in which they say that if I don't remove the banners and links on my front page and the explicit content in which I state what I do and don't do, they will remove my website.  >:(

My reply to them:
"Following your message, I have deleted the requested items. I think it's unfair for you to put these restrictions on me when there are thousands of other escort websites built on Moonfruit who you don't seem to pick on for having banners and links and stating what they do. I want to know if for a paid subscription I will be allowed to return my website to its initial state. Otherwise, I'm afraid I'll have to stop using Moonfruit altogether and rebuild my website elsewhere."

Let's see what they say...

Lorelei

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Re: Moonfruit doesn't allow banners on escort website
« Reply #8 on: 26 June 2011, 04:55:10 pm »
Also, when I first contacted them to have my accounted downgraded from paid subscription to free, they did it immediately, not on the renewal date of my subscription payment, although I had explicitely stated in my message to them that I wanted my subscription terminated from the day of payment renewal.  >:(  When a day later I changed my mind and asked them to reinstate my subscription from where it was, they replied that I should subscribe again.

Just had a look through Moonfruit's terms and conditions:
"You can create an adult content site as long as you comply with the following requirements:

1. None of your images or content are illegal.

2. You provide an introductory page which clearly states or warns that your site contains adult content and is suitable only for persons over 18 years of age.

3. The introductory page of your site (the landing page) can be your home page or a separate intro page but it will not contain any adult content or images.

4. Your site must be members only.

NB. We reserve the right to close or lock any site, at any time, if we consider any user to be breaking or disregarding any of the above requirements (or any other T&Cs)."
« Last Edit: 26 June 2011, 04:57:44 pm by Alexandra_23 »

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Re: Moonfruit doesn't allow banners on escort website
« Reply #9 on: 26 June 2011, 05:22:27 pm »
They've been quick on this one and answered in minutes:

"Hi,

We do have spot checks on sites and as a result many sites have been locked and required to remove content. No site that is built with Moonfruit, paid for or not is permitted to have any content that links, suggests or promotes any illegal activity. If you would like to inform us of any other sites you know with content such as your own we will deal with it.

Kind Regards

Juli

Moonfruit Support Team"
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My reply to them:

"Juli,

Being an escort is NOT illegal in the UK. Agencies and other forms of organizations which have financial gain from prostitution are indeed illegal under UK law, but independent escorts are not. You are perfectly justified to close down an agency's website, but I am independent and make this clear on my website, therefore my activities are not illegal. I hope this clarifies the matter and determines Moonfruit to verify this information and change its policies.

Have a good day."
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So this UK company thinks we're illegal, huh? I'm glad I didn't purchase my domain through them, but separately, otherwise what would I be doing now? Looks like I have to move my website.
« Last Edit: 26 June 2011, 05:26:54 pm by Alexandra_23 »

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Re: Moonfruit is not escort-friendly
« Reply #10 on: 27 June 2011, 12:28:52 pm »
Hmm, interesting. Keep us updated.



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« Last Edit: 27 June 2011, 02:28:39 pm by Cat_BBW »

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Re: Moonfruit is not escort-friendly
« Reply #11 on: 27 June 2011, 02:20:48 pm »
(I think advertising that you want money for sex IS illegal, which is why the wording has to be clever, and all that "you're paying for my time and companionship" stuff....)

This is not the case as long as you're in the UK or another country where charging money for sex is legal. You're not allowed to solicit in any public place - the Internet is definitely not considered a public place - however, it's considered important that all adult websites have a splash page with an adult content warning just to make sure minors etc don't 'accidentally' see adult images/text.

The Internet is tricky legal-wise because some servers are in the US and some are in the UK and many others are dotted about all over the world, so saying "?100 for all-services sex" on a website can be legal one minute and then (if it's moved onto a US server) illegal the next. The difficulty in working out exactly where certain bits of data precisely are is what makes it possible for loads of blatantly illegal stuff to exist on the Internet - it's usually shut down eventually, but later on it'll just pop up elsewhere.

It's important to choose a host which allows adult content and is based in the UK. This thread has further info/discussion on that topic. If you've got a .co.uk domain and your site is hosted on UK servers, you can write ten thousand words about taking payment for cash and it's completely legal. Despite this, UK hosting companies will probably not stand up for our rights to advertise legal services if they are faced with any 'trouble' such as a police investigation, because they will not want to be shut down or lose business due to claims of illegality no matter how vague.

Companies like Moonfruit have fingers in both the UK and US pies and in order to avoid being prosecuted in the US, they will probably want to obey any and all laws that might upset anyone in either country. So they'll apply the stricter rules to every country they operate in, which means that British prossies suffer the effects of the backward and unhelpful US laws.

Also, BTW, the "time and companionship only" blurb does NOT make escort websites 'legal' in the US or in any other country where escorting is illegal. It is NOT a legal disclaimer. It doesn't matter how you try to disguise your job - all a cop would have to do is ring up, book, turn up to his appointment and hand you some cash, and then Bob's your uncle, you're a prossie and if you're in the US, you'll be arrested. And if you're really lucky, the cop will be grossly corrupt and won't arrest you until after he's received services (cos then he gets a freebie).

The Internet is still a bit of a 'wild west frontier' - many rules are still being established and laws are literally being invented as people go along. It's not a physical place so hardly any old-style laws regarding property, borders, ownership etc can be applied to it. It's a good idea to keep a copy of your website on your own computer so that if it's taken down one day, you can re-upload it somewhere friendlier straight away. Don't trust your web presence to third parties when your income is based on that web presence. Be vigilant for content thieves and trolls. Be prepared to fight your corner, if you have the energy and inclination, but a solid plan B (retreat & regroup) is important, too.
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Re: Moonfruit is not escort-friendly
« Reply #12 on: 27 June 2011, 02:29:37 pm »
(I think advertising that you want money for sex IS illegal, which is why the wording has to be clever, and all that "you're paying for my time and companionship" stuff....)

This is not the case as long as you're in the UK or another country where charging money for sex is legal. You're not allowed to solicit in any public place - the Internet is definitely not considered a public place - however, it's considered important that all adult websites have a splash page with an adult content warning just to make sure minors etc don't 'accidentally' see adult images/text.


Aha, I wasn't 100% sure on the legal stuff, thanks for that, I've edited :)

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Re: Moonfruit is not escort-friendly
« Reply #13 on: 28 June 2011, 03:27:39 am »
Alexandra, thank you very much indeed for posting all your communications with Moonfruit. I've had no problems with my site yet, but it appears it could get locked any time  :o

Thanks to reading this thread I've copied and pasted all my content into a document, so at least if the worst comes to the worst I won't have to start from scratch.

It's something I've been meaning to get around to doing for ages, so thank you for giving me the kick up the arse I needed.

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Re: Moonfruit is not escort-friendly
« Reply #14 on: 28 June 2011, 06:29:02 pm »
I have not had any problems. I think moonfruit have been very helpful towards my problems in the past. Just make a new website with them and start again.