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Re: Legal Question
« Reply #15 on: 15 March 2007, 09:26:51 am »
Alas, here's where we stray into the territory where I can't offer much useful advice.

I know that when landlords know you're doing sex work, you can almost hear the 'ker-ching!' in their mind: for some reason, a working flat goes for much more than the usual market rate. It's not unknown for the daily cost to be half or more of what a 'normal' place would cost for a week.

So my usual comment for people looking for somewhere to do incall is 'don't tell them!'

Here, they know and one of the reasons they know is that you want them around (at least some of the time). I've no idea how much that's worth to you.

I also don't know where you are - the market rate is going to vary from place to place.

But  :) see what it would cost to rent somewhere to live around there. Ask around to see what others are paying. How much more or less than that you want to pay is up to you.
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Re: Legal Question
« Reply #16 on: 16 March 2007, 04:09:08 pm »
Ok thanks again for the reply.

I have got hold of the guy who I'm looking to rent the room from and he doesn't like the idea of paying a percentage of each booking to pay for the room so it looks as though it's flat rate per day only or look elsewhere.

I may have been a bit naive about it all as well as I thought that renting the room was more of a favour to me and that he hadn't rented the room to anybody else previously but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Anyway I have the email and I have copied and pasted it below so if anybody has any opinions on it then by all means let me know what you think.

Take care

Sara xxxx



"Dear Sara,

With regards to your request to pay for the room by a percentage of each booking you have then that is a non starter.

Firstly there will be many occasions when I won't be in the house at any stage of the day so I will have no idea how many paying punters you have had in the house that day so this would be open to trust and that trust is open to abuse.

Trust me I know from experience that even the most honest of people would distort things for the own purposes.

Secondly in regards to the legal position you have taken advice about then I wouldn't rent the room on a per booking basis anyway. You say that I would be "staggering unlucky" to face prosecution for this but that threat remains and if I am going to take a chance on this then there has to be something in it for me to make it worth my while as well as your own.

Basically I am not going to break the law for loose change and if you were to pay per booking then there's a major chance that could happen as you could choose to see just one client a week if you wanted. That's good for you as it gives you flexibility but no good to me as I'd get a pittance and I get could get nicked for what amounts to just a few pounds a week and I'm not prepared to take that risk for next to nothing and that's what it could amount to.

Also remember alot of "working girls" aren't the most reliable of people. Remember at Di's parlour how many girls would cry off "ill" on a day they were supposed to work. It was nearly all rubbish as most couldn't be bothered to get out of bed that morining and had nothing to do with illness. You know this as we had the same discussion many times over when we worked together.

Renting the room on a per day basis stops all this nonsense.

The long and short of it is if you want to rent the room then I need to know what sort of income I'm going to get from it to judge whether it's worth taking the risk for and as I'll point out again it is me that's taking all the risks and not yourself.

Therefore you have been looking for a committment from me over all this and it's only fair that I need a committment from you in return for the amount of days that you want to work and you stick to them.

I'm guessing that you've got this per booking advice from other escorts and it is a totally biased view as it seems you want the dice to be completely loaded in your favour. I'm looking for something that's fair to both of us and a per day fee is faor to both and per booking is fair only to yourself.

So to answer your question then it's definitely a no on the per booking basis and per day only.

If this suits you and you still want to go ahead then fine. If it doesn't then no problem we'll leave things as they are and take it no further and I wish you all the best for the future.

Regards

Mike S#########"

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Re: Legal Question
« Reply #17 on: 16 March 2007, 05:43:19 pm »
He probably could have worded it a bit better but I get what he is saying.

A lower volume lady, say one who does 5/10 bookings a month, will suit the per booking deal especially if they dont work every week. There are people who will rent on this basis but I'd guess they are more likely to be working girls who have their own place and want a little extra income but dont want lots of people in and out of the flat on a daily basis as that may draw the unwanted attention of the neighbours.

Personally I'd rather deal with another lady especially one who is working or who has worked in the business so they understand things a bit better and perhaps wouldn't see what is good advice to an escort as a "totally bias view".


Perhaps you could write to a few ladies in your area who appear to have their own incall place and ask them if they would be willing to let you use the place.

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Re: Legal Question
« Reply #18 on: 17 March 2007, 08:37:50 pm »
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Personally I'd rather deal with another lady especially one who is working or who has worked in the business so they understand things a bit better and perhaps wouldn't see what is good advice to an escort as a "totally bias view".

Perhaps you could write to a few ladies in your area who appear to have their own incall place and ask them if they would be willing to let you use the place.

It is true that many people do this, but the huge potential problem is that once more than one person is working somewhere, the place becomes a brothel, i.e. illegal to own or run.

In most places, no-one will care about this sort of setup.

In some, they do and the person whose flat it is can end up in trouble.

You need to think very carefully before subletting your place to anyone else.
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Re: Legal Question
« Reply #19 on: 18 March 2007, 11:18:51 am »
Ok thanks again for your replies.

I have been talking to a couple of girls who were looking to rent out rooms but I found them much harder to deal with. Too many rules, too many regulations and they wanted too much money.

One of them wanted ?100 per day and a minimum of 3 days per week and I had to pay her even if I didn't work on the days mentioned.

The other was such a hard nosed girl she even scared me a little.

Both were ex working girls and not currently working or so they told me.

The renting the room from the guy seems to have gone now as he's pulled out of it and again I include his email below.

Looks like I'll have to stick to outcalls when/if I start working again.

"Hi Sara,

Having given ths some thought then I have decided not to go ahead with renting the room to you.

The truth is we are quite a ways apart in what I want for it and what you seem prepared to pay so it's a no go.

If I can give you some advice mate then with doing incalls then why don't you just rent a hotel room for the day? You can get a Travelodge or similar for about ?50-?60 per day and if you see 4 clients then it works out to around ?15 per client.

I reckon this would be best for you as it gives you flexibility and most Travelodges or similar (unless they are roadside/motorway) have rooms during the week. The downside is that you can't check in until 2pm but some let you at 12pm if you get there early enough.

No hard feelings about all this and I hope we'll still have our chats when I see you in town.

Regards

Michael S########

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Re: Legal Question
« Reply #20 on: 18 March 2007, 10:05:00 pm »
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Personally I'd rather deal with another lady especially one who is working or who has worked in the business so they understand things a bit better and perhaps wouldn't see what is good advice to an escort as a "totally bias view".

Perhaps you could write to a few ladies in your area who appear to have their own incall place and ask them if they would be willing to let you use the place.

It is true that many people do this, but the huge potential problem is that once more than one person is working somewhere, the place becomes a brothel, i.e. illegal to own or run.

In most places, no-one will care about this sort of setup.

In some, they do and the person whose flat it is can end up in trouble.

You need to think very carefully before subletting your place to anyone else.

Agreed.

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Re: Legal Question
« Reply #21 on: 18 March 2007, 10:08:23 pm »
Ok thanks again for your replies.

I have been talking to a couple of girls who were looking to rent out rooms but I found them much harder to deal with. Too many rules, too many regulations and they wanted too much money.

One of them wanted ?100 per day and a minimum of 3 days per week and I had to pay her even if I didn't work on the days mentioned.

The other was such a hard nosed girl she even scared me a little.

Both were ex working girls and not currently working or so they told me.

The renting the room from the guy seems to have gone now as he's pulled out of it and again I include his email below.

Looks like I'll have to stick to outcalls when/if I start working again.

"Hi Sara,

Having given ths some thought then I have decided not to go ahead with renting the room to you.

The truth is we are quite a ways apart in what I want for it and what you seem prepared to pay so it's a no go.

If I can give you some advice mate then with doing incalls then why don't you just rent a hotel room for the day? You can get a Travelodge or similar for about ?50-?60 per day and if you see 4 clients then it works out to around ?15 per client.

I reckon this would be best for you as it gives you flexibility and most Travelodges or similar (unless they are roadside/motorway) have rooms during the week. The downside is that you can't check in until 2pm but some let you at 12pm if you get there early enough.

No hard feelings about all this and I hope we'll still have our chats when I see you in town.

Regards

Michael S########

The hotel thing works for a lot of girls eszpecially if you make it a regular thing. Bookyourself in for two nights and then you get one full day plus one afternoon/evening and one morning which works well. There is an article on touring on the main site that may help:

http://www.saafe.info/touring.htm

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Re: Legal Question
« Reply #22 on: 19 March 2007, 11:20:58 am »
Ok thankyou very much to all of you that took the time to reply to me and give me advice which I really really appreciate.

I'm not really sure what I am going to do as of now as I sort of liked the idea of working as a domme but that chance appears to have gone now.

Anyway I'm going to have a good think about it all over the next 7-10 days or so and see where that takes me and I'll come back on here at some stage let you know how I get on.

Thanks again for the advice.

Take care

Sara xxxx

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Re: Legal Question
« Reply #23 on: 19 March 2007, 02:03:25 pm »
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I'm not really sure what I am going to do as of now as I sort of liked the idea of working as a domme but that chance appears to have gone now.

If you're thinking of going down even halfway down the 'full dungeon' route, then this was never going to have been the right option, unless he wanted a pile of equipment in the place.

There are 'outcall' pro dommes. Quite a bit of stuff fits in a sports bag.

There's also a market in accompanying people to the various fetish clubs and doing public play with them on the club's equipment.

I can't remember their names now, but there are some specialist message boards for the pro domme scene. Have a look...

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Re: Legal Question
« Reply #24 on: 20 March 2007, 11:48:28 am »
I wasn't going to go down the full dungeon route. I do have some stuff like a cross to strap them to and a caning bench that I have picked up over the years and restraints, canes, whips, paddles, strap ons that I have still got.

I would have used all these for the domme stuff if I rented the room.

I don't know about outcall domme stuff and that's something I'll have to give some thought to.

Once again thanks for the reply and for the tips/suggestions.

Take care

Sara xxxx

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Re: Legal Question
« Reply #25 on: 20 March 2007, 01:23:10 pm »
Sara,
These are a couple of websites I've used in the past that may be useful to you. Complete with forums.
http://www.uk-mistresses.com/
http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/

You've received some excellent advice from SW5 there. A big thanks for taking the time.

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Re: Legal Question
« Reply #26 on: 21 September 2007, 03:02:58 pm »
hello

didn't mean to re-start on this past thread but this thread did answer a lot of question I have had myself. x

sorry sarah if that arrangement with your driver friend didn't work out in the end.

my thinking process on this topic went very similar to what went on this thread throughout...

1. Daily fixed fees with a commitment of 1 day a week or no minimum requirement = flexible arrangement (ad hoc)

2 travelodge option with a bag of play accessories

3 percentage taken off your booking

could 3 be somewhat too "involved" in her escort business as if the fees are charged as her booking goes? just my thought.

think the best would be to stay flexible and pay whatever both you and the owner had mutually agreed and stick with it.

also my feeling to this subject was there's no point of hiring a room unless you have a booking to attend you know you'd go ahead with.   

also seeing three a day no matter how sporadic you would do so may create a havoc in the neighbourhood unless it is in the middle of the town centre in my personal opinion.  so you need to know there's no curtain twitching going on.

another thing though it's best to maintain a professional relationship on this and if the escort whoever decided to rent a room on that day wanted to bring another girl for 3 sums (then it's illegal) it's best to stick to being legal and say "no" no matter how "tolerant" the police is known to be. :-X

I don't think business and friendship would mix very well & it's important to set the boundaries such as no illegal activities such as drug taking etc.

you never know when they change their policy: best to not to be looking over the shoulder..unless you want to take that risk and accept whatever the consequences that may bring.

lastly, when you use a rented dungeon, there are certain health risks particularly there are contaminated blood stuck on equipment i.e. whips, chairs and such - I wouldn't think it's wise to put herself at such risks. 



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